Starbucks and Guns
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Has anyone else seen the news articles out and about regarding Starbucks and open carry of firearms? Their current policy is if it is legal to open carry in a state it is allowed in their stores but several different gun control groups have been pushing them to make it against the rules in starbucks to open carry. So far they have just said that they let customers do what is legal within the framework of local law and that they do not want to be in the middle of some big clash between gun rights and gun control groups. Personally, even though I am not a gun owner and not sure how I feel on right and open carry laws (legal in washington where I live btw) I am proud of Starbucks as a local Seattle business for standing up as a business and staying out of the middle of two stupid groups argueing with each other. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I don't own a gun, or frequent Starbucks. But hey, it's their store. Private property I suppose. |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Good for starbucks |
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Extreme Veteran![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Yep it is private property and according to the laws in Virginia you can open carry on private property if the owner does not post a sign saying that you can not carry. Personally I love to open carry (even in Starbucks) and think all states should allow it. Edited by adameldridge 2010-03-03 3:05 PM |
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Expert![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() One thing to remember is that when the word open carry is noted as related to "Concealed Weapons Permit" it does not means that someone actually carrying, has to show it. Thus, if you fear all of a sudden you will see tons of folks with guns on their hips, well, the fact is they are probably all ready carrying, in their pocket, ankle holster, chest strap, etc. I hace a CC permit but plan to keep it where I typically do, on an ankle holster, and concealed. And yes, I'm a pistol packing bike rider. I don't fear the ones who carry, I fear the one's who carry stolen guns and wave them around like they are emulating what they see on tv. So, I'll have a carrmel micatto and some 40 cal hollow points please. |
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Extreme Veteran![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() hrliles - 2010-03-03 1:30 PM One thing to remember is that when the word open carry is noted as related to "Concealed Weapons Permit" it does not means that someone actually carrying, has to show it. Thus, if you fear all of a sudden you will see tons of folks with guns on their hips, well, the fact is they are probably all ready carrying, in their pocket, ankle holster, chest strap, etc. I hace a CC permit but plan to keep it where I typically do, on an ankle holster, and concealed. And yes, I'm a pistol packing bike rider. I don't fear the ones who carry, I fear the one's who carry stolen guns and wave them around like they are emulating what they see on tv. So, I'll have a carrmel micatto and some 40 cal hollow points please. Hahaha I would like to ride with you sometime. That sounds like a fun food break (Hey guys mind if we take a 10 minute break at the firing range, I need to get in my target practice.) The issue is that, with all the gun control issues going on around the country advocates for gun rights started to open carry legally into business/public area when allowed by law. This means there were litterally people entering restaraunts with rifles/pistols visible and sitting down to eat. Gun control groups didnt like this so started petitioning business, mostly in California to make it against there rules as private businesses to have fire arms in there establishments (this includes the California pizza kitchen chain and a couple of coffee shops I think). Then the control groups targeted starbucks as a national chain with a huge number of stores and that is where we are at now. To me it basically comes down to starbucks saying, as long as patrons are within the confines of the law, who are they to judge someone to keep them out of their shops. I did see one person trying to argue the "no shirt, no shoes, no service" angle but that does not make sense as in a lot of places it is because it is illegal for an establishment that serves food to allow those people into the store due to health/contamination risks of the food. This whole thing drives me crazy. Sometimes lobbyists just need to let others be...(ok maybe all the time!) |
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Pro![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() bel83 - 2010-03-03 4:51 PM Hahaha I would like to ride with you sometime. That sounds like a fun food break (Hey guys mind if we take a 10 minute break at the firing range, I need to get in my target practice.) The issue is that, with all the gun control issues going on around the country advocates for gun rights started to open carry legally into business/public area when allowed by law. This means there were litterally people entering restaraunts with rifles/pistols visible and sitting down to eat. Gun control groups didnt like this so started petitioning business, mostly in California to make it against there rules as private businesses to have fire arms in there establishments (this includes the California pizza kitchen chain and a couple of coffee shops I think). Then the control groups targeted starbucks as a national chain with a huge number of stores and that is where we are at now. To me it basically comes down to starbucks saying, as long as patrons are within the confines of the law, who are they to judge someone to keep them out of their shops. I did see one person trying to argue the "no shirt, no shoes, no service" angle but that does not make sense as in a lot of places it is because it is illegal for an establishment that serves food to allow those people into the store due to health/contamination risks of the food. This whole thing drives me crazy. Sometimes lobbyists just need to let others be...(ok maybe all the time!) Unless the patrons are in the kitchen, it is not illegal nor a health risk. In the same way that the businesses have to have a sign saying "Employees must wash hands". As a patron, I can pee and walk out without washing up (gross as it may be) and not violate any laws, or risk any food contamination (well, except for mine and maybe my table-mates, if I touch their food). No shirt/shoes/service is a decision commonly made more on grounds of the aesthetics of the business. I will have a much easier time wearing flip flops to the Waffle House at the beach than to the fancy 5 star restaurant in the city. Nothing to do with hygiene/safety. So if a business wanted to ban guns, or barefoot people, or cell phones, they are absolutely within their rights as a business to do so. Depending on the nature of the patrons, it may or may not be a good business model, but as a private establishment, they can do what they want. |
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Expert![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I think it's great idea to keep overcaffeinate people w/ jittery trigger fingers away from guns. ![]() |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Dang. I wish I could carry into Chipotle sometimes. |
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Sensei![]() | ![]() mr2tony - 2010-03-03 2:20 PM Dang. I wish I could carry into Chipotle sometimes. I SAID NO SOUR CREAM!!!!! BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM!!!!! |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Kido - 2010-03-03 4:29 PM mr2tony - 2010-03-03 2:20 PM Dang. I wish I could carry into Chipotle sometimes. I SAID NO SOUR CREAM!!!!! BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM!!!!! Exactly. Today it was `No. I said a BURRITO! Not a bowl.' |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() mr2tony - 2010-03-03 5:31 PM Kido - 2010-03-03 4:29 PM Exactly. Today it was `No. I said a BURRITO! Not a bowl.' mr2tony - 2010-03-03 2:20 PM Dang. I wish I could carry into Chipotle sometimes. I SAID NO SOUR CREAM!!!!! BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM!!!!! Tu Hablas Beretta?! |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() CubeFarmGopher - 2010-03-03 5:42 PM mr2tony - 2010-03-03 5:31 PM Kido - 2010-03-03 4:29 PM Exactly. Today it was `No. I said a BURRITO! Not a bowl.' mr2tony - 2010-03-03 2:20 PM Dang. I wish I could carry into Chipotle sometimes. I SAID NO SOUR CREAM!!!!! BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM!!!!! Tu Hablas Beretta?! Post of the week! |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() hrliles - 2010-03-03 4:30 PM One thing to remember is that when the word open carry is noted as related to "Concealed Weapons Permit" it does not means that someone actually carrying, has to show it. Actually it depends on the state. For example in California Open Carry mens just that... it CANNOT be concealed.
I'm happy that Starbucks stayed out of it and decided to support the law in place. Here in FL it was ruled that businesses could not prevent workers from bringing guns in their car and parking on the business property. However Disney did an end around on the law claiming they were a "military" base becuase they had fireworks on premises. It was a BS argument but somehow it has stood. |
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Pro![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() somehow I feel much safer knowing that I can go into Starbucks packing |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() mrbbrad - 2010-03-03 2:57 PM I don't own a gun, or frequent Starbucks. But hey, it's their store. Private property I suppose. In TN they recently passed a law allowing CCW owners to carry their firearms into establishments that serve alcohol, which was previously prohibited. HOWEVER, individual restaurants can prohibit them by placing a sticker on the door with the proper legal mumbo jumbo. Either way it's the restaurants right not to serve anyone for "almost" any reason since they are a private business. |
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![]() I'm glad to hear Starbucks is saying "They're doing nothing illegal, why should we care?" It's their business, literally. |
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Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() my brother is an open carry proponant, to say the least. he carries everywhere. And you probably CAN open carry into Chipoltle's |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() bootygirl - 2010-03-04 2:45 PM my brother is an open carry proponant, to say the least. he carries everywhere. And you probably CAN open carry into Chipoltle's I don't think you can open carry in Chicago though so Tony is still out of luck. |
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Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() graceful_dave - 2010-03-04 3:18 PM bootygirl - 2010-03-04 2:45 PM I don't think you can open carry in Chicago though so Tony is still out of luck.my brother is an open carry proponant, to say the least. he carries everywhere. And you probably CAN open carry into Chipoltle's Very timely - McDonald vs Chicago was heard in the supreme court march 2. The court ruled that states must respect the 2nd ammendment. |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() bootygirl - 2010-03-04 3:33 PM graceful_dave - 2010-03-04 3:18 PM bootygirl - 2010-03-04 2:45 PM I don't think you can open carry in Chicago though so Tony is still out of luck.my brother is an open carry proponant, to say the least. he carries everywhere. And you probably CAN open carry into Chipoltle's Very timely - McDonald vs Chicago was heard in the supreme court march 2. The court ruled that states must respect the 2nd ammendment. I shall not feel safe in Chicago if people are allowed to carry weapons. It's crazy enough here without gunplay involved. And no I will not get my own gun. I know my limitations. |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() mr2tony - 2010-03-04 1:34 PM bootygirl - 2010-03-04 3:33 PM I shall not feel safe in Chicago if people are allowed to carry weapons. It's crazy enough here without gunplay involved. And no I will not get my own gun. I know my limitations. graceful_dave - 2010-03-04 3:18 PM bootygirl - 2010-03-04 2:45 PM I don't think you can open carry in Chicago though so Tony is still out of luck.my brother is an open carry proponant, to say the least. he carries everywhere. And you probably CAN open carry into Chipoltle's Very timely - McDonald vs Chicago was heard in the supreme court march 2. The court ruled that states must respect the 2nd ammendment. well your moving to London were all hand guns are banned. |
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Expert![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() My property, my choice, assuming I follow state law. It's not a daycare, for jeepers sake. |
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Expert![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() all "legal" handguns are banned... |
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