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 2010-07-29 12:52 PM |
Pro  6582     Melbourne FL Gold member |  Subject: Rush Limbaugh rips Chevy VoltI had to listen to RL for 2 days while roofing my father-in-laws roof over vacation. I'm pretty tolerant on stuff, not a left or right winger, thought some stuff he was "preaching" made sense, but man there were times I was wanting to jump off the roof to end my misery! I also had to put up with the couple of questions from my F-I-L "what do you think about "Nobama", the tax cut elimination, etc..." Anyway so I just read an article were yesterday he ripped the Chevy Volt and GM, tax credits for electric vehicles, etc. Apparently he may have had a couple of facts confused and the such. Any way I thought this pix was funny and wanted to share it!  |
| 2010-07-29 12:58 PM in reply to: #3012371 |
| Subject: RE: Rush Limbaugh rips Chevy Volt He's a radio show host (entertainment). Sad that people actually take him seriously. HOWEVER.... I also happened to actually hear that bit yesterday (not a normal listener... I swear, just channel surfing in commercials). While some of it is accurate, that article takes some liberties as to what Rush said/didn't say (i.e., he did mention that it had a 40 mile limit and 3-4 hours to be charged, and he also noted that it had a gas engine as backup, that was very clear, he was talking about the electric range only). He did say it was the most expensive Chevy other than the Corvette, and he did say the 7500 was because people didn't want it (and yes, in general, he did rip the Volt) So, I guess the moral is, no matter what side of the fence you are on, if you didn't actually hear or read something, take other people's opinions with a grain of salt (ironically, including this post  )Edited by ChrisM 2010-07-29 1:00 PM |
| 2010-07-29 1:31 PM in reply to: #3012393 |
Pro 6582 Melbourne FL Gold member | Subject: RE: Rush Limbaugh rips Chevy Volt ChrisM - 2010-07-29 1:58 PM He's a radio show host (entertainment). Sad that people actually take him seriously. No kidding, some of the callers I swear were foaming at the mouth! My FIL swears by him though. HOWEVER.... I also happened to actually hear that bit yesterday (not a normal listener... I swear, just channel surfing in commercials). Suuuuure ok! While some of it is accurate, that article takes some liberties as to what Rush said/didn't say (i.e., he did mention that it had a 40 mile limit and 3-4 hours to be charged, and he also noted that it had a gas engine as backup, that was very clear, he was talking about the electric range only). He did say it was the most expensive Chevy other than the Corvette, and he did say the 7500 was because people didn't want it (and yes, in general, he did rip the Volt) Just found the transcript of this on his website. Definitely not as bad as what the articles are saying. There are a couple of vehicles of the Chevy brand that when loaded like the Volt are 40k plus (Traverse, Equinox [AWD LTZ) are two that I know of). So, I guess the moral is, no matter what side of the fence you are on, if you didn't actually hear or read something, take other people's opinions with a grain of salt (ironically, including this post )You are correct sir, I should have found the transcript before I posted anything from the liberal news agencies!!! |
| 2010-07-29 1:36 PM in reply to: #3012371 |
Champion 5376 PA | Subject: RE: Rush Limbaugh rips Chevy Volt I'm not a Rush fan either. He is similar to a Hannity, Olberman and Maddow. They all twist good converstation into polarizing discussion IMO. They appeal to the loyalist. That said, I was excited about the Leaf when I heard about it during the TdF commercials. I looked into it and if I were to discuss it, I would be pretty much ripping on it too. 100 mile a day is fair but paying for a proprietary charging station and the installation on top of a $25k vehicle is a bit much. On top of that, deteriorating batteries which may only last 5 years? Then what? As far as the Volt, I like their concept better but only 40 miles on a charge for the electric and at $35k? No thanks. I'll stick with a 50mpg motorcycle and a Mazda 3 before I make the change. |
| 2010-07-29 2:11 PM in reply to: #3012526 |
Champion 7347 SRQ, FL | Subject: RE: Rush Limbaugh rips Chevy Volt Pector55 - 2010-07-29 2:36 PM As far as the Volt, I like their concept better but only 40 miles on a charge for the electric and at $35k? No thanks. I'll stick with a 50mpg motorcycle and a Mazda 3 before I make the change. The ONLY reason to buy a Volt, Leaf, Prius etc is that you want to feel better about the environment. It makes NO sense economically. Right now electric and hybrid cars only make sense economically if you drive less than 40 miles each way and have the ability to charge at your destination (and keep your foot from being too heavy so you don't kick the gas engine into play). There are lots of small gasoline powered cars that get 30-40mpg that are $15k. $35k-15k=$20k / $2.75/gal = 7200 odd gallons of gas = 7200 gallons * 30mpg = 216,000 miles. Kind of a no brainier. |
| 2010-07-29 2:13 PM in reply to: #3012526 |
Pro 4277 Parker, CO | Subject: RE: Rush Limbaugh rips Chevy Volt Pector55 - 2010-07-29 12:36 PM I'm not a Rush fan either. He is similar to a Hannity, Olberman and Maddow. They all twist good converstation into polarizing discussion IMO. They appeal to the loyalist. That said, I was excited about the Leaf when I heard about it during the TdF commercials. I looked into it and if I were to discuss it, I would be pretty much ripping on it too. 100 mile a day is fair but paying for a proprietary charging station and the installation on top of a $25k vehicle is a bit much. On top of that, deteriorating batteries which may only last 5 years? Then what? As far as the Volt, I like their concept better but only 40 miles on a charge for the electric and at $35k? No thanks. I'll stick with a 50mpg motorcycle and a Mazda 3 before I make the change. then you get stuck paying a disposal fee for the battery (which will probably end up in some landfill) and you'll probably be slammed for $5,000+ for a new battery. Too many details that need to be worked out on electric cars. I say let Al Gore and his rich hollywood friends pay for and test this first generation of electric vehicles. Once all the kinks are worked out...then sell them to the general public. |
| 2010-07-29 4:18 PM in reply to: #3012371 |
Veteran 840 | Subject: RE: Rush Limbaugh rips Chevy Volt It's 40K for a car that does about 10% of what a car half it's price can do. At best you can use it as a supplement to a main vehicle. I might pay mid 20's for it, even that would not be wise purchase. 40k? No way. |
| 2010-07-29 6:17 PM in reply to: #3012371 |
| Subject: RE: Rush Limbaugh rips Chevy Volt Where does electricity come form? |
| 2010-07-29 6:28 PM in reply to: #3013170 |
| Subject: RE: Rush Limbaugh rips Chevy Volt crusevegas - 2010-07-29 4:17 PM Where does electricity come form? The magic electricity fairy, of course. |
| 2010-07-29 7:04 PM in reply to: #3013184 |
Champion 6503 NOVA - Ironic for an Endurance Athlete | Subject: RE: Rush Limbaugh rips Chevy Volt The whole paradigm of electric cars depends on the "other renewables" 2.4% parts of the pie expanding. Quickly. It's called Solar. Edited by pga_mike 2010-07-29 7:07 PM |
| 2010-07-29 7:42 PM in reply to: #3012371 |
Champion 6931 Bellingham, Washington | Subject: RE: Rush Limbaugh rips Chevy Volt Ride Bikes. |
| 2010-07-29 7:46 PM in reply to: #3013184 |
| Subject: RE: Rush Limbaugh rips Chevy Volt ChrisM - 2010-07-29 4:28 PM crusevegas - 2010-07-29 4:17 PM Where does electricity come form? The magic electricity fairy, of course. That's a relief, I had some irrational fear that some of it might come from coal fired power plants. |
| 2010-07-29 7:55 PM in reply to: #3013287 |
Extreme Veteran 419 | Subject: RE: Rush Limbaugh rips Chevy Volt BellinghamSpence - 2010-07-30 9:42 AM Ride Bikes. I like my daily commute by bike. I get exercise, I don't pay anything for gas, it really doesn't take me much longer than driving, and if I cared, I'd be helping save the environment (that in my opinion is the overrated part). Realistically if we want to stop burning so much fossil fuel the giant corporations at the top need to cut back on their use, not push it all onto the consumer. |
| 2010-07-30 8:54 AM in reply to: #3012371 |
| Expert 691 Cape Elizabeth, Maine | Subject: RE: Rush Limbaugh rips Chevy Volt Dude, no need to be a hater on Rush...his view may not equal yours and I guarantee that most articles about him get the facts wrong. Not sure what facts he has wrong. Here is my view; why do we need a credit for a $41K car? Who can afford one? I make a good living and I don't buy $40K cars...its a freaking joke. As someone else said, the only reason to buy one is to feel good about yourself; otherwise it makes no sense. Let the market decide...drop the tax credit - we are running $1T deficit for ever... |
| 2010-07-30 9:06 AM in reply to: #3012371 |
Champion 6962 Atlanta, Ga | Subject: RE: Rush Limbaugh rips Chevy Volt I agree that an electric car doesn't make much economical sense right now. Just like buying a model T didn't make much financial sense then either. Why would I buy a car when I have 10 perfectly good horses right here? Eventually, more people will buy them, the market will make them better and eventually become more economical for the masses. Just a thought. |
| 2010-07-30 10:33 AM in reply to: #3012644 |
Champion 6999 Chicago, Illinois | Subject: RE: Rush Limbaugh rips Chevy Volt TriRSquared - 2010-07-29 2:11 PM $35k-15k=$20k / $2.75/gal = 7200 odd gallons of gas = 7200 gallons * 30mpg = 216,000 miles. Kind of a no brainier. Even if they claim 40 mpg I am not sure how close to reality 30 mpg is over the life of the car but not that bad guess either. I agree with you that the $40k price point is a no brainer. Even at avg of 25 gallons that is still 180,000 miles and that does not include battery changes. One nice thing about the volt from what I hear is the electric engine is is way more efficient than gas. I would hope that it would be more efficient to turn coal into electricity than it would be to turn oil into gas and then push your car. It would make sense that it does otherwise we really should focus on a better method of making electricity from coal. Plus not sure how bad a coal plant is on the environment when its compared to processing oil into gas and then all the car's emissions. 20k / 4.25 = about 4700 gallons of gas. 4700 * 30 = 141000. If gas was $5 it would be 120,000 When all this gas talk about gas being $5,$6,$8, or even up to $10 a gallon then the electric car made sense. if it was $10 a gallon it would be 60k miles and now electric even at its current price point its looking way better. (unless you start factoring in the true cost if you have to take out loans and such) One nice thing about the housing market crash it made the oil market more economical. |
| 2010-07-30 11:00 AM in reply to: #3012371 |
| Master 1963 | Subject: RE: Rush Limbaugh rips Chevy Volt It doesn't make much environmental sense either considering the process for creating those batteries, not to mention disposing of them when that time comes. Not a very economical vehicle for GM to be R&D'ing or producing. I'm not impressed. |
| 2010-07-30 11:28 AM in reply to: #3013997 |
| Subject: RE: Rush Limbaugh rips Chevy Volt Marvarnett - 2010-07-30 7:06 AM I agree that an electric car doesn't make much economical sense right now. Just like buying a model T didn't make much financial sense then either. Why would I buy a car when I have 10 perfectly good horses right here? Eventually, more people will buy them, the market will make them better and eventually become more economical for the masses. Just a thought. I agree with you statement in general. The difference here is and I don't know this for fact but I'll bet the federal govt. wasn't giving tax incentives to but the model T. |
| 2010-07-30 11:33 AM in reply to: #3014354 |
Champion 7347 SRQ, FL | Subject: RE: Rush Limbaugh rips Chevy Volt crusevegas - 2010-07-30 12:28 PM Marvarnett - 2010-07-30 7:06 AM I agree that an electric car doesn't make much economical sense right now. Just like buying a model T didn't make much financial sense then either. Why would I buy a car when I have 10 perfectly good horses right here? Eventually, more people will buy them, the market will make them better and eventually become more economical for the masses. Just a thought. I agree with you statement in general. The difference here is and I don't know this for fact but I'll bet the federal govt. wasn't giving tax incentives to but the model T. I have not checked but is the tax incentive for buying the Volt the same as the Leaf or Prius etc? Is the the government (who owns GM) giving GM a extra advantage here? |
| 2010-07-30 11:45 AM in reply to: #3014359 |
| Subject: RE: Rush Limbaugh rips Chevy Volt TriRSquared - 2010-07-30 9:33 AM crusevegas - 2010-07-30 12:28 PM Marvarnett - 2010-07-30 7:06 AM I agree that an electric car doesn't make much economical sense right now. Just like buying a model T didn't make much financial sense then either. Why would I buy a car when I have 10 perfectly good horses right here? Eventually, more people will buy them, the market will make them better and eventually become more economical for the masses. Just a thought. I agree with you statement in general. The difference here is and I don't know this for fact but I'll bet the federal govt. wasn't giving tax incentives to but the model T. I have not checked but is the tax incentive for buying the Volt the same as the Leaf or Prius etc? Is the the government (who owns GM) giving GM a extra advantage here? Yes, all electric cars eligible. However, it's a range from 2,500 to 7,500, and there is a phase out after a certain number of cars have been sold. |
| 2010-07-30 11:46 AM in reply to: #3012371 |
Champion 5376 PA | Subject: RE: Rush Limbaugh rips Chevy Volt I wish more cars were as simple and effective as the T-Rex. These should cost around $15k, run a 600cc motor and seat 4. Gas mileage would great and if they were limited to a top speed of 65 mph all would be great. On highways, simply barrier off a lane dedicated to heavy vehicles.  Edited by Pector55 2010-07-30 11:46 AM |
| 2010-07-30 11:48 AM in reply to: #3014359 |
Champion 6999 Chicago, Illinois | Subject: RE: Rush Limbaugh rips Chevy Volt TriRSquared - 2010-07-30 11:33 AM I have not checked but is the tax incentive for buying the Volt the same as the Leaf or Prius etc? Is the the government (who owns GM) giving GM a extra advantage here? There has been one for a hybrid car and one electric car last couple of years and I do no think it was brand specific but you never know that might have changed. Well it would be interesting to see what tax breaks the government gave through out the years. Talking back to 1890s even. I think we might all be shocked. |
| 2010-07-30 11:52 AM in reply to: #3012371 |
Champion 7347 SRQ, FL | Subject: RE: Rush Limbaugh rips Chevy Volt Seems the Leaf also gets $7500 |
| 2010-07-30 12:27 PM in reply to: #3012371 |
Master 1439 Calgary, AB Silver member | Subject: RE: Rush Limbaugh rips Chevy Volt Of course it doesn't make financial sense - but neither do f150s with giant campers, speed boats, or any car bigger than a fit. Edited by Khyron 2010-07-30 12:29 PM |
| 2010-07-30 12:44 PM in reply to: #3013957 |
| Master 1946 Memphis, TN | Subject: RE: Rush Limbaugh rips Chevy Volt Blueraider_Mike - 2010-07-30 8:54 AM Dude, no need to be a hater on Rush...his view may not equal yours and I guarantee that most articles about him get the facts wrong. Not sure what facts he has wrong. Here is my view; why do we need a credit for a $41K car? Who can afford one? I make a good living and I don't buy $40K cars...its a freaking joke. As someone else said, the only reason to buy one is to feel good about yourself; otherwise it makes no sense. Let the market decide...drop the tax credit - we are running $1T deficit for ever... Using your logic, why do we need to have mortgage interest as a tax write off? |
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