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2011-02-15 8:32 AM

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Some author is on CNN this morning.  She wrote a book about economics and marriage.  She comes out and says the secret to happy marriage - do the dishes, put out, lose weight.

And this applies to both men and women.

I'm trying to find her name but no success yet.


2011-02-15 8:36 AM
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KenD - 2011-02-15 9:32 AM . . .  do the dishes, put out, lose weight.



. . . preferably, all at the same time.
2011-02-15 8:37 AM
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KenD - 2011-02-15 6:32 AM  She comes out and says the secret to happy marriage - do the dishes, put out, lose weight.



That is very simplified but really there is something to the highlighted part, at least in my experience.

2011-02-15 8:53 AM
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Paula Szuchman, an editor at the Wall Street Journal and co-author of the new book “Spousonomics: Using Economics to Master Love, Marriage and Dirty Dishes”

from a blurb on WSJ.

http://blogs.wsj.com/ideas-market/2011/02/14/the-secret-to-a-happy-marriage-do-the-dishes-put-out-don%e2%80%99t-talk-so-much/?KEYWORDS=do+the+dishes
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trinnas - 2011-02-15 8:53 AM Paula Szuchman, an editor at the Wall Street Journal and co-author of the new book “Spousonomics: Using Economics to Master Love, Marriage and Dirty Dishes”

from a blurb on WSJ.

http://blogs.wsj.com/ideas-market/2011/02/14/the-secret-to-a-happy-marriage-do-the-dishes-put-out-don%e2%80%99t-talk-so-much/?KEYWORDS=do+the+dishes


Thank you.  Now start on those dishes.
2011-02-15 9:02 AM
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KenD - 2011-02-15 9:59 AM
trinnas - 2011-02-15 8:53 AM Paula Szuchman, an editor at the Wall Street Journal and co-author of the new book “Spousonomics: Using Economics to Master Love, Marriage and Dirty Dishes”

from a blurb on WSJ.

http://blogs.wsj.com/ideas-market/2011/02/14/the-secret-to-a-happy-marriage-do-the-dishes-put-out-don%e2%80%99t-talk-so-much/?KEYWORDS=do+the+dishes


Thank you.  Now start on those dishes.


My husband does the dishes ever since I put his good pans in the dishwasher. 

I got out of vacuuming for many years after I set the vacuum cleaner on fire as well. 



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trinnas - 2011-02-15 9:02 AM
KenD - 2011-02-15 9:59 AM
trinnas - 2011-02-15 8:53 AM Paula Szuchman, an editor at the Wall Street Journal and co-author of the new book “Spousonomics: Using Economics to Master Love, Marriage and Dirty Dishes”

from a blurb on WSJ.

http://blogs.wsj.com/ideas-market/2011/02/14/the-secret-to-a-happy-marriage-do-the-dishes-put-out-don%e2%80%99t-talk-so-much/?KEYWORDS=do+the+dishes


Thank you.  Now start on those dishes.


My husband does the dishes ever since I put his good pans in the dishwasher. 

I got out of vacuuming for many years after I set the vacuum cleaner on fire as well. 



Clever girl....

2011-02-15 11:34 AM
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The author is getting a lot of flack in the comments I read.

But I think it comes down to this: Do you want to be right, or do you want to be happy?
2011-02-15 12:01 PM
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Tri-ingToTurn40 - 2011-02-15 9:34 AM
The author is getting a lot of flack in the comments I read.

But I think it comes down to this: Do you want to be right, or do you want to be happy?


This is spot on. 


I agree with what I read. I was part of a failed marriage and the article makes a lot of sense to me.

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Tri-ingToTurn40 - 2011-02-15 11:34 AM
The author is getting a lot of flack in the comments I read.

But I think it comes down to this: Do you want to be right, or do you want to be happy?


Both.
2011-02-15 2:35 PM
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My ex and I used to argue over the dishes all the time. It wasn't the thing that killed the relationship, but it was certainly a sign of the demise. Basically, it's like saying put in the work that helps make your time and space together better for both of you. He wasn't willing to do what I thought was fair. 

My theory of what it takes to keep a relationship healthy and happy is that it becomes a 60-60 relationship. Each partner gives what they estimate to be 60% effort, so that there is plenty of overlap in the middle.



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1stTimeTri - 2011-02-15 11:54 AM
Tri-ingToTurn40 - 2011-02-15 11:34 AM
The author is getting a lot of flack in the comments I read.

But I think it comes down to this: Do you want to be right, or do you want to be happy?


Both.


Heh. In a loving partnership, when one party wins, effectively both lose.
2011-02-15 2:43 PM
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Read the article and I don't know if I missed it but I think I would add:

- Say "thank you" every once in awhile.  Remember when you first met your significant other and you were so polite?  Did you lose that?  It sounds corny but there's always time for courtesy....

Other than that, having also been part of a failed marriage, I can also say she was spot-on.
2011-02-15 2:50 PM
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robburkett - 2011-02-15 12:43 PM Read the article and I don't know if I missed it but I think I would add:

- Say "thank you" every once in awhile.  Remember when you first met your significant other and you were so polite?  Did you lose that?  It sounds corny but there's always time for courtesy....

Other than that, having also been part of a failed marriage, I can also say she was spot-on.


I like that
2011-02-15 2:59 PM
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robburkett - 2011-02-15 3:43 PM Read the article and I don't know if I missed it but I think I would add:

- Say "thank you" every once in awhile.  Remember when you first met your significant other and you were so polite?  Did you lose that?  It sounds corny but there's always time for courtesy....



I find that, "Oops, sorry" comes in handy too.
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madkat - 2011-02-15 3:35 PM My ex and I used to argue over the dishes all the time. It wasn't the thing that killed the relationship, but it was certainly a sign of the demise. Basically, it's like saying put in the work that helps make your time and space together better for both of you. He wasn't willing to do what I thought was fair. 

My theory of what it takes to keep a relationship healthy and happy is that it becomes a 60-60 relationship. Each partner gives what they estimate to be 60% effort, so that there is plenty of overlap in the middle.



madkat, I've been saying the same thing for years...but I use a 90-90 split.  
Trying to find 50-50 will usually find folks much frustration.

I will say the vacuum exploding comment gave me a chuckle...I did something similar as a newlywed.  I broke the ironing board pressing down to hard apparently.  I haven't ironed since.  (thank you wrinkle free shirts and pants makers!

btw, I think most guys here will find the more they do in the home...the more they'll "get" in the home.  
 


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madkat - 2011-02-15 3:35 PM My ex and I used to argue over the dishes all the time. It wasn't the thing that killed the relationship, but it was certainly a sign of the demise. Basically, it's like saying put in the work that helps make your time and space together better for both of you. He wasn't willing to do what I thought was fair. 

My theory of what it takes to keep a relationship healthy and happy is that it becomes a 60-60 relationship. Each partner gives what they estimate to be 60% effort, so that there is plenty of overlap in the middle.



madkat, I've been saying the same thing for years...but I use a 90-90 split.  
Trying to find 50-50 will usually find folks much frustration.

I will say the vacuum exploding comment gave me a chuckle...I did something similar as a newlywed.  I broke the ironing board pressing down to hard apparently.  I haven't ironed since.  (thank you wrinkle free shirts and pants makers!

btw, I think most guys here will find the more they do in the home...the more they'll "get" in the home.  
 

And vice-versa.

Hookup an average man every 48 hours and he won't look elsewhere.
2011-02-15 3:21 PM
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It's funny because the article hits on the thing that I've been saying since I moved in with my SO.  Relationships do come down to chores sometimes.  How you divide it will impact how much you nag at one another.  I mean, try to be even but you have to do the things that matter most to you.  DH likes to do dishes 'his' - my way is not good enough (he doesn't say it like that but it's clear enough), nor would it be often enough. I am terrible about dishes.  On the other hand I like a clean bathroom and if I waited for him to clean the bathroom, i'd be waiting for a very long time!

Though it breaks down a quite a bit where everything has to be your way.  Either you do all of the work or learn to relax with the way the other person does something. 



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I actually just got done reading an article that low stress and more scucessful couples don't divid up the chores, they just know what needs to get done and do it. without thinking "I'm doing thier stuff"
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Gaarryy - 2011-02-15 2:26 PM I actually just got done reading an article that low stress and more scucessful couples don't divid up the chores, they just know what needs to get done and do it. without thinking "I'm doing thier stuff"


I think the "their stuff" part is the key. The problem not everyone is motivated or aware enough to know what needs to be done, I know I'm not.

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Gaarryy - 2011-02-15 2:26 PM I actually just got done reading an article that low stress and more scucessful couples don't divid up the chores, they just know what needs to get done and do it. without thinking "I'm doing thier stuff"


I think the "their stuff" part is the key. The problem not everyone is motivated or aware enough to know what needs to be done, I know I'm not.


sure ya do... If someone is cooking, you know the table needs to be set, little things like that.      But you are right if someone is keeping score, you are doomed,


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Gaarryy - 2011-02-15 5:49 PM
Big Appa - 2011-02-15 4:30 PM
Gaarryy - 2011-02-15 2:26 PM I actually just got done reading an article that low stress and more scucessful couples don't divid up the chores, they just know what needs to get done and do it. without thinking "I'm doing thier stuff"


I think the "their stuff" part is the key. The problem not everyone is motivated or aware enough to know what needs to be done, I know I'm not.


sure ya do... If someone is cooking, you know the table needs to be set, little things like that.      But you are right if someone is keeping score, you are doomed,


It helps to talk about what is expected. Everyone grew up in different homes with different expectations.  That's what really kills people is when you don't talk about it but keep expecting your partner to do something.  I like being clear about what I've committed to do but it doesn't mean I don't pick up the slack when there are things going on.

 
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madkat - 2011-02-15 2:35 PM My ex and I used to argue over the dishes all the time. It wasn't the thing that killed the relationship, but it was certainly a sign of the demise. Basically, it's like saying put in the work that helps make your time and space together better for both of you. He wasn't willing to do what I thought was fair. 

My theory of what it takes to keep a relationship healthy and happy is that it becomes a 60-60 relationship. Each partner gives what they estimate to be 60% effort, so that there is plenty of overlap in the middle.



This makes a lot of sense... Thanks!
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trinnas - 2011-02-15 8:53 AM Paula Szuchman, an editor at the Wall Street Journal and co-author of the new book “Spousonomics: Using Economics to Master Love, Marriage and Dirty Dishes”

from a blurb on WSJ.

http://blogs.wsj.com/ideas-market/2011/02/14/the-secret-to-a-happy-marriage-do-the-dishes-put-out-don%e2%80%99t-talk-so-much/?KEYWORDS=do+the+dishes


Thank you.  Now start on those dishes.


My husband does the dishes ever since I put his good pans in the dishwasher. 

I got out of vacuuming for many years after I set the vacuum cleaner on fire as well



Enlighten me please, how does one do this and make it look like an accident?
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trinnas - 2011-02-15 8:53 AM Paula Szuchman, an editor at the Wall Street Journal and co-author of the new book “Spousonomics: Using Economics to Master Love, Marriage and Dirty Dishes”

from a blurb on WSJ.

http://blogs.wsj.com/ideas-market/2011/02/14/the-secret-to-a-happy-marriage-do-the-dishes-put-out-don%e2%80%99t-talk-so-much/?KEYWORDS=do+the+dishes


Thank you.  Now start on those dishes.


My husband does the dishes ever since I put his good pans in the dishwasher. 

I got out of vacuuming for many years after I set the vacuum cleaner on fire as well. 



Do you pull the, "But you're so much better at it than me!" card? That is my wife's prime argument. "You're better at cooking." "You're better at fixing this." "You're better at breastfeeding."

Wait, what.
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