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2006-02-08 5:05 PM

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Subject: Tri-Geeks?
So, my husband is very supportive as he has done some triathlons when he was in his teens and early 20's, however, he says that people who do triathlons are referred to as tri-geeks, esp in the biking community. He used to work at a bike shop and we have a friend who used to own a bike shop and they call triathletes tri-geeks. I've read some posts on here of people walking into bike shops and getting run out because they are triathletes instead of only cyclists. What's up with that? Why don't cyclists like triathletes? I don't get it.


2006-02-08 5:08 PM
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2006-02-08 5:58 PM
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Subject: RE: Tri-Geeks?

they are jealous.  They get done with a 100 mi ride (drafting off the triathlete) and walk around thinking their all big and bad.  Then the triathlete puts on his running shoes and goes for a jog.  It's rather ego-deflating.

 

Also just reading the boards here, you can see it.  People who train for tri's are the biggest nerds out there.  We don't just go train.  We monitor our HR continually to determine if we are training in the peak zones.  We research nutrition and lactate metabolism in our free time and are always willing to tell you all about it on a long run.  We are more analretentive then an accountant; we never just go out and ride/run/swim, it's always planned to within a single heart beat.  We drill continously.  Every thing we do is broken down into bare bones peices that we master then reassemble into the final product.  Even look at our equipment.  They put our bikes in wind tunnels to squeeze every last mph out of them.  I'm highly surprised someone hasn't come out with a new aero wheel set and named it after some star trek technology.

 In short, from my experience, triathletes approach the sport from a MUCH more scientific basis then any other sport, especially at even beginner levels.  It's not a bad thing and it's one of the reasons I enjoy the sport.  I used to road race, and our training was go out, ride and try not to get dropped.  Thats how you got fast.  Nothing about LT or aerobic base training or even efficiency drills.  Just ride...

 So yea....I'm a tri Geek and proud of it!

2006-02-08 6:16 PM
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Subject: RE: Tri-Geeks?

Maybe the more important question is who cares what some cyclist thinks? I am treated well by the roadie-oriented staff at my LBS. I don't know what they say when I leave of course but that's not a concern of mine. They call my bike a "very cool time trial bike" as opposed to a tri-bike. Aside from a language barrier it's not really a big deal.

As far as being run out of a shop...I'm not a business man but it would seem like if there were a market for tri bikes that is growing as fast as the sport I would get my game-face on and start carrying time trial tri-bikes.

And yeah, I'm a complete geek. I'm going to spend my Sunday morning stabbing myself in the finger while I'm running on a treadmill so I can bleed into my little geek machine which will subsequently tell me how fast I shouldn't be running.  Geekie enough?

2006-02-08 7:39 PM
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Subject: RE: Tri-Geeks?

i live in silicon valley. here, pretty much everyone's a geek of one persuasion or another.
2006-02-08 7:45 PM
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Subject: RE: Tri-Geeks?
vortmax - 2006-02-08 6:58 PM

they are jealous.  They get done with a 100 mi ride (drafting off the triathlete) and walk around thinking their all big and bad.  Then the triathlete puts on his running shoes and goes for a jog.  It's rather ego-deflating.

 

Also just reading the boards here, you can see it.  People who train for tri's are the biggest nerds out there.  We don't just go train.  We monitor our HR continually to determine if we are training in the peak zones.  We research nutrition and lactate metabolism in our free time and are always willing to tell you all about it on a long run.  We are more analretentive then an accountant; we never just go out and ride/run/swim, it's always planned to within a single heart beat.  We drill continously.  Every thing we do is broken down into bare bones peices that we master then reassemble into the final product.  Even look at our equipment.  They put our bikes in wind tunnels to squeeze every last mph out of them.  I'm highly surprised someone hasn't come out with a new aero wheel set and named it after some star trek technology.

 In short, from my experience, triathletes approach the sport from a MUCH more scientific basis then any other sport, especially at even beginner levels.  It's not a bad thing and it's one of the reasons I enjoy the sport.  I used to road race, and our training was go out, ride and try not to get dropped.  Thats how you got fast.  Nothing about LT or aerobic base training or even efficiency drills.  Just ride...

 So yea....I'm a tri Geek and proud of it!

Applaud.....I just got a girl woody.....woodie?  I gues if I'm not sure how to spell it I shouldn't be saying it. BUT, quite well spoken.....for a stooge.



2006-02-08 8:21 PM
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Subject: RE: Tri-Geeks?
Yeah...what's wrong with being a geek? Wear that badge proudly, I say.
2006-02-08 9:14 PM
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Subject: RE: Tri-Geeks?

In 1989, Greg Lemond won the Tour de France by 8 seconds because he used the technology of aero bars that he borrowed from the tri community which had been using them for several years.

I've been treated with nothing but respect, not only in local LBS's but in strange ones when I'm traveling as well.

 

2006-02-08 9:34 PM
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Subject: RE: Tri-Geeks?
RGRBILL - 2006-02-08 4:16 PM

Maybe the more important question is who cares what some cyclist thinks?

2006-02-08 10:21 PM
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Subject: RE: Tri-Geeks?
Tri-geeks tend to have more toys than cycleists... HRM, computer with cadance... ultra detailed log books, lots of research. Cyclist tend to live to suffer... who cares what your hr was did it feel like it would explode if it went one beet faster? good then you rode enough today. We are all to scientific for the traditional cycling community. But I think lance a ex-triathlete helped make our case!
2006-02-08 10:33 PM
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Subject: RE: Tri-Geeks?

piggpen35 - 2006-02-08 9:21 PM Tri-geeks tend to have more toys than cycleists...

 

and you know what they say.....  He who dies with the most Toys wins 



2006-02-08 10:40 PM
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2006-02-08 11:22 PM
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Subject: RE: Tri-Geeks?

I've never been treated badly in an LBS for being a tri-geek/person/athlete. I've experienced bad customer service, but I think that was for simply breathing in their shop.

I wave to roadies just to see them turn up their noses. If they wave back, I assume it's another triathlete on their road bike.  

2006-02-08 11:36 PM
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Subject: RE: Tri-Geeks?

I've actually been accepted quite well by the local shops. Both are very friendly and now know me by name. The one shop likes me partly because the first time I was in there I was asking about pricing on an s-works and a lightspeed frame, then asked if they could order Zips (too bad I'm not going to buy my new bike through them...sorry). Even past that, the head mech is pretty cool and we sit there and BS quite a bit about rides and such.

The other shop is a mountain shop run by one guy who is a wrench head. It's the coolest shop ever, just in the guys barn. Doesn't look like much until you walk in and see some of the nicest mountain racing frames I have ever seen. That and he knows his stuff when it comes to pulling a bike apart and putting it back together. He's down with tri's as he used to run xterra's and "gets his butt whooped by the TT guys on group rides." So for a community that doesn't see a lot of tri traffic, it's pretty accepting. Or maybe they just haven't had time to form an opinion



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2006-02-09 3:48 AM
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2006-02-09 7:07 AM
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Subject: RE: Tri-Geeks?
southernaquagoddess - 2006-02-08 8:45 PM
vortmax - 2006-02-08 6:58 PM

 

Applaud.....I just got a girl woody.....woodie?  I gues if I'm not sure how to spell it I shouldn't be saying it. BUT, quite well spoken.....for a stooge.

wait i have to stop this thread for a second.  What is a girl woody/woodie??? 

ok continue thread.



2006-02-09 7:09 AM
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Subject: RE: Tri-Geeks?

Would this be a good comparison - we're like snowboarders to their downhill skiers?  That's how I think of it.   I can't point to any specific example but I've always gotten an elitist vibe from the roadies I've been around.  Just a vibe, one on one they've been nice to me.  Thought maybe I was just paranoid but this thread tells me others experience it too.

I'd be curious what Daremo has to say on the subject.  Hope he chimes in.

2006-02-09 7:51 AM
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Subject: RE: Tri-Geeks?

I have made my peace with my tri-geekiness.

 Being anal retentive for this sport is just another way of masking one of my many peccadillo's.  And I like the gadgets - GPS is your friend.

Most bike stores welcome my business - the cycling community is pretty open here. I just have to ask why though, in a city the size of Houston do you have only a handful of dedicated tri-shops? Between Lukes Locker - Northwest Cyclery and The Sports Authority, I must make a 30 mile loop every couple of weekends!

Vive le' difference!

2006-02-09 7:54 AM
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Subject: RE: Tri-Geeks?

I don't know what it is, but I like the idea of a girl woody so much that, um, er, oops.

 

Hey csgomez, I say your pic on the banner yesterday and it looked great!

2006-02-09 8:50 AM
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Subject: RE: Tri-Geeks?
This past summer I did a few Century rides and I got dirty looks and even comments from a lot of the hard-core road bikers.  I was on a road bike with clip on aero bars and a flipped seat post.  One guy argued with me that he would trash me in a race so we went 20 miles all out and needless to say he was the one who called a truce not me.  I have respect for tradition, but to look down at proven technology and research is stupid. 

 

I know one of their big deals is that "you can't climb with a time trial bike" (they won't even call them triathlon bikes).  If you put the right gearing on it, you climb anything and take advantage of an aero position going down the other side. 

 

I love tri-Geeks
2006-02-09 10:02 AM
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Subject: RE: Tri-Geeks?
I think they're jealous for reasons listed above, and because of all our col tri gadgets that they don't have


2006-02-09 10:22 AM
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Subject: RE: Tri-Geeks?

Your day is going right when ... You know you're having a good tri-day when ... 1. Your goggles don't leak once. 2. You sit right behind an Angelina Jolie look-a-like (not pregnant) in spin class. 3. You get a flat tire ... as you're pulling into your garage. 4. On your run, there's no wind as you head out ... and a strong breeze at your back after the turnaround. 5. You get a lane to yourself. 6. You see a beautiful sunrise on your workout. 7. You see a beautiful sunset on your workout. 8. The pool temperature is perfect -- not too hot, not too cold. 9. Your boss expectedly says, "Take the rest of the day off" and you head out for a daylight bike ride. 10. Your spouse has a huge breakfast waiting for you as you walk in the door from a long run.

 

from:  http://www.trigeekdreams.com/

2006-02-09 11:06 AM
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Subject: RE: Tri-Geeks?
hangloose - 2006-02-09 6:54 AM

I don't know what it is, but I like the idea of a girl woody so much that, um, er, oops.

 

Hey csgomez, I say your pic on the banner yesterday and it looked great!

THANKS! I love that Ron came up with the idea of putting all of us on the banner! How cool was that?!
2006-02-09 11:11 AM
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Subject: RE: Tri-Geeks?
Hmmmmmmmm, guess it's time to throw my nickel in ........

I'm a former bike shop employee (service manager and top salesman) and a former Cat. 3 roadie (in the countries most competitive field - the Mid-Atlantic) for 5 years.

Roadies DO tend to be elitist, and from my posts over the past few months you could probably pick that up. HOWEVER, the "bad apples" that everyone seems to be referring to here are NOT the fast riders. They are typically the Cat. 4's and 5's that are just starting out and while they might have some raw talent, they are not quite at the level where they can back it up when they talk smack.

A true road racer will be someone who puts in 5,000+ miles in and is known at least by site by just about all the racers in their category because they are out there every weekend mixing it up regardless of their results. With that bunch there is a very strong comraderie that you don't see in the lower ranks, but you DO see in the tri ranks.

For every a-hole roadie out there you can find at least the same amount of elitist tri-geeks (yes, I STILL use that term myself - but now I have to do it in reference to myself ). You get the roadie that spouts how much of a better rider than a tri-geek they are, but then you get the usual reply that the tri-geek can smoke them in a run or swimming race.

I like to use myself as an example though with the only tri event I had ever done which was the '92 Columbia Triathlon. I had never swam more than a lap in my life and decided to join the swim team at the Naval Academy Prep. School when I was there (we had to do a sport each trimester). I ran x-country in the Fall, but my passion was cycling and I would sneak out for rides whenever I could. I signed up for Columbia which is in May, but after swim season ended in January I went in the pool maybe twice from then to the race. But I rode my azz off and tried to do some runs to maintain my run speed.

Come race day I swam about 400 yards freestyle and was wiped so I swam the rest breaststroke. I came out of the lake at least two fulls waves back from mine in about 45 minutes or so.

But guess what? I caught well over half MY wave by the end of the bike and had close to a 1-hour bike split ............. and then STILL cranked out a 45 - 10k to finish in the 2:30 range overall.

If a pure cyclist (read Cat. 1 or 2) decided to do at least one tri per season they would probably finish in the top 10% overall. Even if they came out of the water last in the AG and had a mediocre swim, they can comfortable average over 25 on the bike (and closer to 28 or 29 in an all out 40k TT - at least the once I raced against). But the average 4 or 5?? They would probably be smoked by most of the tri-geeks.

For those poo-pooing the elitist roadie who brags about 100 mile rides (drafting)?? I ask them to get a group of tri-guys and gals and go for a 100 averaging 20 - 22 and then tell me why they can't brag ........ I've done solos under 5 hours myself. It ain't easy.

Oh well, sure there is more to say, but it's lunch time and my co-worker is hovering ....
2006-02-09 12:12 PM
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This is great stuff you guys! Now I have some ammunition when the topic comes up again.
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