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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Lets try and keep this thread out of the gutter. There's been a lot of chatter the last few days about replacing Biden with Hillary. Do you guys think it will happen or if it would help? Personally I think adding Hillary to the ticket would provide a spark to the ticket, but I honestly don't think Hillary would take it because it would tie her to Obama, much in the way nobody wants to be tied to Bush. Hillary is currently the lock nominee for 2016 no matter if Obama wins or loses. If she goes on the ticket and they win she gets saddled with any potential bad that happens the next 4 years and if they lose she becomes damaged politically for 2016 and tied to Obama's policies that cost the D's the election. To add to the speculation: Obama's schedule today: 10:15AM THE PRESIDENT and THE VICE PRESIDENT receive the Presidential Daily Briefing Oval Office Closed Press 10:45AM THE PRESIDENT and THE VICE PRESIDENT meet with Secretary of State Clinton Oval Office Closed Press 12:30PM THE PRESIDENT and THE VICE PRESIDENT meet for lunch Private Dining Room Closed Press
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![]() I've been wondering this the last few days. Mainly due to my perception of the debates between Ryan and Biden. I think Obama would welcome Hillary, but as you've stated and I agree I don't think she would accept. I think Obama is having nightmares about the VP debates. IMO I think Biden will come down with some type of illness or family thing that will require his attention and be unable to "serve". |
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Expert![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Though they don't seem to like each other this would energize the party and also position Hilary for a run in 2016. I would hate to see it because I'm not an Obama fan but I think it would be a gamechanger and guarantee a win in this election and probably the next. If Obama wins this year with Biden there is no way Uncle Joe will be a viable candidate in 16. |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I think Obama has to consider a couple of things: Would the distinct reek of desperation that replacing Joe Biden now (so soon after the announcement of Paul Ryan as a VP candidate) send out outweigh the handicap and risk of keeping Joe Biden as his running mate? Perceptions are important, and this move now would show: 1) Obama made a really bad choice in 2008, and 2) The Democrats really fear Paul Ryan, what he has to say and how he is capable of saying it-- that's going to put Obama squarely on the defensive. |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() scoobysdad - 2012-08-16 10:36 AM I think Obama has to consider a couple of things: Would the distinct reek of desperation that replacing Joe Biden now (so soon after the announcement of Paul Ryan as a VP candidate) send out outweigh the handicap and risk of keeping Joe Biden as his running mate? Perceptions are important, and this move now would show: 1) Obama made a really bad choice in 2008, and 2) The Democrats really fear Paul Ryan, what he has to say and how he is capable of saying it-- that's going to put Obama squarely on the defensive. It could have the opposite effect -- it could make people say `Biden is the problem, with Hillary we have the change we need!' Of course that's people who are going to vote for Obama anyway, but it may sway some fence-sitters. Biden is a pill for Obama. I'm sure the president doesn't like having to go around explaining what his Veep meant everytime he opens his mouth. |
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![]() I believe Hillary would be poison to the ticket. Rather frequently I've heard die hard Dems around the office decide they're not going to vote if she's on any ticket, including her own. I believe she would either not add anything or would actually harm the Dem ticket if she were to run. |
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Pro![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() this would be the best move by the Obama team this campaign. I believe much more effective with getting some votes than the negative campaigning. |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I think it would give him immediate lift and cause a media frenzy. Historically, people do not elect Vice Presidents. I don't think it would have a significant effect on the outcome. People are either going to elect Obama or not regardless of the VP he has on his ticket. |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() mr2tony - 2012-08-16 10:40 AM scoobysdad - 2012-08-16 10:36 AM I think Obama has to consider a couple of things: Would the distinct reek of desperation that replacing Joe Biden now (so soon after the announcement of Paul Ryan as a VP candidate) send out outweigh the handicap and risk of keeping Joe Biden as his running mate? Perceptions are important, and this move now would show: 1) Obama made a really bad choice in 2008, and 2) The Democrats really fear Paul Ryan, what he has to say and how he is capable of saying it-- that's going to put Obama squarely on the defensive. It could have the opposite effect -- it could make people say `Biden is the problem, with Hillary we have the change we need!' Of course that's people who are going to vote for Obama anyway, but it may sway some fence-sitters. Biden is a pill for Obama. I'm sure the president doesn't like having to go around explaining what his Veep meant everytime he opens his mouth. I agree, Tony. It's very interesting to me that the RockStar President, now faced with a RockStar opponent in Paul Ryan, is having to take a serious look at bringing in a RockStar running mate to try and off-set how much his own star has fallen. Says a lot about his presidency, and unfortunately, the intelligence of many American voters. |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Near zero chance of it happening. |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I think the OP hit the nail on the head as far what's to be considered. It's probably Hillary's to turn down. |
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Veteran![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() DanielG - 2012-08-16 10:42 AM I believe Hillary would be poison to the ticket. Rather frequently I've heard die hard Dems around the office decide they're not going to vote if she's on any ticket, including her own. I believe she would either not add anything or would actually harm the Dem ticket if she were to run. I agree with this. I don't think too many people care one way or the other about Biden. He's not doing anything to help the ticket, but I don't think he's really hurting it either. He says stupid things, but he's not out getting busted with scandals or upsetting foreign leaders. On the other hand, there's a good chunk of the population that just flat out hates Hillary. |
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Extreme Veteran![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Since when is Paul Ryan a "RockStar"....He was hardly known outside his circles until he was nominated as MR running mate. In regards to Hillary, i would love to see that happen but there are 0 percent chances of that happening, actually, 0.00001 as i need an out in case it does. |
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![]() tuwood - 2012-08-16 11:11 AM Obama's schedule today: 10:15AM THE PRESIDENT and THE VICE PRESIDENT receive the Presidential Daily Briefing Oval Office Closed Press 10:45AM THE PRESIDENT and THE VICE PRESIDENT meet with Secretary of State Clinton Oval Office Closed Press 12:30PM THE PRESIDENT and THE VICE PRESIDENT meet for lunch Private Dining Room Closed Press
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Transparency_and_Open_Go... MEMORANDUM FOR THE HEADS OF EXECUTIVE DEPARTMENTS AND AGENCIES Yeah, I know, I know. It's just funny. Edited by DanielG 2012-08-16 11:18 AM |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Is it possible they had to meet with the Secretary of State on a matter of the state? I mean, it could be just work...?
I would personally love to see Hillary on the ticket. That was my hope when she lost the nomination. So why wasn't she then? I think she didn't want to be. Has anything changed for her? It's possible she might think "Okay, this thing isn't going as well as planned, maybe I can help." She might also think "I've have enough of this and I'm perfectly happy with my cool job where I get to lead this huge staff and travel around and have great experiences." And, would whatever reason she lost the nomination before also mean it's a problem for her on the ticket now? I seriously feel that America said "I can deal with a minority, but a women is pushing it WAY too far." Or, maybe it's ok if she's "only" the VP. I honestly think that the First Lady, which is not an elected position, gets to make a greater impact than a VP. Maybe Hillary can throw out that old stereotype, having had the tastes of power she's had. I think she's great AND it would be a very good social experiment. |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() scoobysdad - 2012-08-16 11:07 AM mr2tony - 2012-08-16 10:40 AM scoobysdad - 2012-08-16 10:36 AM I think Obama has to consider a couple of things: Would the distinct reek of desperation that replacing Joe Biden now (so soon after the announcement of Paul Ryan as a VP candidate) send out outweigh the handicap and risk of keeping Joe Biden as his running mate? Perceptions are important, and this move now would show: 1) Obama made a really bad choice in 2008, and 2) The Democrats really fear Paul Ryan, what he has to say and how he is capable of saying it-- that's going to put Obama squarely on the defensive. It could have the opposite effect -- it could make people say `Biden is the problem, with Hillary we have the change we need!' Of course that's people who are going to vote for Obama anyway, but it may sway some fence-sitters. Biden is a pill for Obama. I'm sure the president doesn't like having to go around explaining what his Veep meant everytime he opens his mouth. I agree, Tony. It's very interesting to me that the RockStar President, now faced with a RockStar opponent in Paul Ryan, is having to take a serious look at bringing in a RockStar running mate to try and off-set how much his own star has fallen. Says a lot about his presidency, and unfortunately, the intelligence of many American voters. It's Rockstar one-upmanship. Who can get the biggest rock star on their ticket. Though I don't think of Ryan as a rockstar. He's more of an opening act rather than a headliner. But yes, Obama's star has fallen -- the problem I think he is facing is that he made a LOT of promises he couldn't keep. Underpromising doesn't win elections, though. And I don't think American voters are stupid because they don't vote for the candidate I would choose. I would just say they have different opinions, beliefs and morals than I. You and I have very different beliefs politically, but I don't question your intelligence. |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() mr2tony - 2012-08-16 11:46 AM scoobysdad - 2012-08-16 11:07 AM mr2tony - 2012-08-16 10:40 AM scoobysdad - 2012-08-16 10:36 AM I think Obama has to consider a couple of things: Would the distinct reek of desperation that replacing Joe Biden now (so soon after the announcement of Paul Ryan as a VP candidate) send out outweigh the handicap and risk of keeping Joe Biden as his running mate? Perceptions are important, and this move now would show: 1) Obama made a really bad choice in 2008, and 2) The Democrats really fear Paul Ryan, what he has to say and how he is capable of saying it-- that's going to put Obama squarely on the defensive. It could have the opposite effect -- it could make people say `Biden is the problem, with Hillary we have the change we need!' Of course that's people who are going to vote for Obama anyway, but it may sway some fence-sitters. Biden is a pill for Obama. I'm sure the president doesn't like having to go around explaining what his Veep meant everytime he opens his mouth. I agree, Tony. It's very interesting to me that the RockStar President, now faced with a RockStar opponent in Paul Ryan, is having to take a serious look at bringing in a RockStar running mate to try and off-set how much his own star has fallen. Says a lot about his presidency, and unfortunately, the intelligence of many American voters. It's Rockstar one-upmanship. Who can get the biggest rock star on their ticket. Though I don't think of Ryan as a rockstar. He's more of an opening act rather than a headliner. But yes, Obama's star has fallen -- the problem I think he is facing is that he made a LOT of promises he couldn't keep. Underpromising doesn't win elections, though. And I don't think American voters are stupid because they don't vote for the candidate I would choose. I would just say they have different opinions, beliefs and morals than I. You and I have very different beliefs politically, but I don't question your intelligence. That wasn't my point. My point was to underscore how much more emphasis many voters place on personality and "star-quality" of politicians than on substance and track record. As you said, it's become Rockstar one-upmanship. |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() scoobysdad - 2012-08-16 11:52 AM mr2tony - 2012-08-16 11:46 AM scoobysdad - 2012-08-16 11:07 AM mr2tony - 2012-08-16 10:40 AM scoobysdad - 2012-08-16 10:36 AM I think Obama has to consider a couple of things: Would the distinct reek of desperation that replacing Joe Biden now (so soon after the announcement of Paul Ryan as a VP candidate) send out outweigh the handicap and risk of keeping Joe Biden as his running mate? Perceptions are important, and this move now would show: 1) Obama made a really bad choice in 2008, and 2) The Democrats really fear Paul Ryan, what he has to say and how he is capable of saying it-- that's going to put Obama squarely on the defensive. It could have the opposite effect -- it could make people say `Biden is the problem, with Hillary we have the change we need!' Of course that's people who are going to vote for Obama anyway, but it may sway some fence-sitters. Biden is a pill for Obama. I'm sure the president doesn't like having to go around explaining what his Veep meant everytime he opens his mouth. I agree, Tony. It's very interesting to me that the RockStar President, now faced with a RockStar opponent in Paul Ryan, is having to take a serious look at bringing in a RockStar running mate to try and off-set how much his own star has fallen. Says a lot about his presidency, and unfortunately, the intelligence of many American voters. It's Rockstar one-upmanship. Who can get the biggest rock star on their ticket. Though I don't think of Ryan as a rockstar. He's more of an opening act rather than a headliner. But yes, Obama's star has fallen -- the problem I think he is facing is that he made a LOT of promises he couldn't keep. Underpromising doesn't win elections, though. And I don't think American voters are stupid because they don't vote for the candidate I would choose. I would just say they have different opinions, beliefs and morals than I. You and I have very different beliefs politically, but I don't question your intelligence. That wasn't my point. My point was to underscore how much more emphasis many voters place on personality and "star-quality" of politicians than on substance and track record. As you said, it's become Rockstar one-upmanship. Yeah I have to say, this is probably the ugliest election I've ever seen. Actually, I wonder, are they all like this and I forgot, or is this one worse than the others? I personally think, again, that both candidates are just so bad that they can't run on their own merits, it's just about making the other guy look worse. |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Biden is a pill for Obama. I'm sure the president doesn't like having to go around explaining what his Veep meant everytime he opens his mouth. You'd be surprised. When you need a s---screen, and you have someone who is already known for making verbal blunders, it can work wonders for deflecting attention away from yourself. |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() ADMIN NOTE: Says a lot about his presidency, and unfortunately, the intelligence of many American voters. Let's make this really clear. Calling a person or group of people stupid due to their political beliefs or how they vote is NOT OK here. It's an ad hominem and no less an insult than saying "If you vote for X you're an idiot". Any future posts that try this tactic will be removed and forum timeouts will be handed out accordingly. |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() marmadaddy - 2012-08-16 12:18 PM ADMIN NOTE: Says a lot about his presidency, and unfortunately, the intelligence of many American voters. Let's make this really clear. Calling a person or group of people stupid due to their political beliefs or how they vote is NOT OK here. It's an ad hominem and no less an insult than saying "If you vote for X you're an idiot". Any future posts that try this tactic will be removed and forum timeouts will be handed out accordingly. Again, this was not my point. My point was how, IMO, Americans are increasingly voting based on the charisma or "star-quality" of politicians, regardless of party affiliation, and that politicians seem to be realizing this. |
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Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() It would be such a gift for Romney... they could stop all the commercials and attack ads, and just run constant loops of Hillary and Obama tearing each other apart in there very nasty nomination campaign. It's never going to happen. |
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Member![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() tuwood - 2012-08-16 11:11 AM Lets try and keep this thread out of the gutter. I miss all the fun.
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() scoobysdad - 2012-08-16 12:21 PM marmadaddy - 2012-08-16 12:18 PM Again, this was not my point. My point was how, IMO, Americans are increasingly voting based on the charisma or "star-quality" of politicians, regardless of party affiliation, and that politicians seem to be realizing this. ADMIN NOTE: Says a lot about his presidency, and unfortunately, the intelligence of many American voters. Let's make this really clear. Calling a person or group of people stupid due to their political beliefs or how they vote is NOT OK here. It's an ad hominem and no less an insult than saying "If you vote for X you're an idiot". Any future posts that try this tactic will be removed and forum timeouts will be handed out accordingly.
This is nothing new. |
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