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2012-10-12 6:07 PM

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Daughter, 5 yo, comes home from K today.  Said a volunteer "man" came and got her and took her to the Library inside the school.  APX 120 yard walk down 2 hallways.  She is working on her words and catching up..we started her early.  A while back oddly enough my wife asked the school, since she is a volunteer also if they did background checks on the volunteers, the principal, a male , said no.  She raised a concern about this and being alone with kids inside the school.  Well, we didn't know Caroline wold be taken out of class nor did we know it would be by a volunteer, the very nature of our concern.

I'm amazed a school would let a non employee be around kids on school property, even more, be taken from classes.  I mean WTF.

Now, I'm in no less words very PO'd.  You guys always have good, though varying opinions, I do appreciate the feedback, advice, and sounding board.



2012-10-12 6:36 PM
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I don't believe you are overreacting.  I'd be just as PO'd.  How the heck could they not run background checks on people inside a school is beyond me.  Is it a public school?  

Public or private, I would let the principal know it's a problem and needs to be remedied yesterday.  For some reason, folks don't like to hear the word "lawyer."  I wouldn't talk lawyer in the initial meeting with the administration, but stick to your guns.  Demand an action plan.  Get their commitments down in writing.  If they slip up, go over their heads.

Yeah, a lot of folks would think that's an overreaction, but that's just how I would try to handle it.

Good luck man.

 

2012-10-12 6:42 PM
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Before you get too upset call/email the school and ask who it was who took your daughter.  I have learned over the years that my son sometimes perceives things differently and has a hard time communicating what went on at school.  Before I get upset about a violation, I always check to see what happened and then go back to my son to see if he agrees with what the teacher/staff member said.  If there is still a discrepancy then I take action.
2012-10-12 6:44 PM
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Public.  Fact is, I'm mad at myself for not investigating further but how was I to know they would just let her be escorted from class with a "volunteer"  And to thibk this guy, who is probably a nice person, could be on thr sex offender registery.

Oh yeah, I am calling the County School Admin office Monday.  Folks, meet Mr Liles!  And I will be saying lawyer.  I have to think their own lawyers would think this is a major risk / liability by not having BG checks.!!!!

2012-10-12 6:45 PM
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Already did..it's was a male volunteer. 
2012-10-12 6:46 PM
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Agree with ebshot.

We have to check in at our Early Learning Center (pre-K to 2nd grade), sign-in, and wear a badge necklace that identifies that we are volunteering.

It didn't hurt to have had 2 other sons go through that school already, and I'm friends with some of the teachers, so I'm more accepted around there to help out when I come in on a day off to help.



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2012-10-12 6:50 PM
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I would agree with the post above-- make sure you have the facts straight before you start raising he!!. Kids that age usually can be trusted to tell the truth, but that doesn't always mean they get all the details right.

Is the volunteer another parent? I'm pretty sure my school doesn't do background checks on the parents that volunteer in the lunchroom and elsewhere and I wouldn't expect them to.
2012-10-12 8:11 PM
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Backgrounds give nothing but a false sense of security - although they SHOULD be done. More importantly is supervision.

Case in point, last December the VOLUNTEER basketball coach (former teacher at the school, vice principal of a local middle school and father of a senior (daughter)) was arrested for videotaping the boys in the shower for the last I forget how many years. Hidden camera. He passed the background check, was an "upstanding" citizen, etc. Everyone was "shocked" of course AFTER the fact talking to students and former students there was plenty of talk of him being "weird" but no one did anything. Why not, well look at who he is AND he passed the background checks.

How about the bus driver in a nearby town that passed her background check (every 3 years) but in the middle had MULTIPLE arrests for drunk driving? Still driving that school bus until someone but 2 and 2 together.

Should they be required of ALL volunteers at the school, ABSOLUTELY without a doubt, but where is the follow up?
2012-10-12 8:14 PM
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i don't have kids so i know my opinion doesn't matter, but, silly question here.

would you be freaking out if this volunteer were a woman?

2012-10-12 8:18 PM
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Is it possible you have a WATCH D.O.G.S. program at your school and no one has said anything about it? It's a program where fathers of students volunteer at schools and help the teachers out. I don't know if you're over reacting or not. Hard to tell what all the circumstances were with that short description. You never said what they did once they got to the library. I'm guessing there was a point to the trip? I would probably find more out before blowing up too much. Also didn't sound like the principle had a whole lot to say. And what he did say, sure didn't ease your concerns. I do think that any time the parenting alarm bells go off in your head though, you should definitely listen to them and follow your instincts.
2012-10-12 8:30 PM
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Every single volunteer has to go through Virtus Training (policies of the archdiocese) and got fingerprinted. I cannot imagine a public school not doing the same. I agree, contact County officials at the Board of Ed and see what official policy is.


2012-10-12 8:34 PM
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Sure they do - did I mention that I volunteered at my son's Catholic HS for 2 years before anyone told me that? I even chaperoned a 3 day bus trip. Yup, see my son's in Chorus, not band, they told all the band parents, but not chorus. Noone checked to see that the volunteers going on the trip completed the training. Now this year we are going to Disney. Have kick off meeting. Announcement is that all "new" parents must complete the training - hubby says we don't have too (must be "new" since the incident in Dec) I ask and get the "WHAT" you never did the training? How did you go on trip? I signed up and went, noone told me about it...We did it that month.

2012-10-12 8:34 PM
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Maybe it's a FL thing, but the volunteers all had to get background checks. Our church has the same thing, full background checks on anyone who deals with kids.

If I heard this from my kid, I'd definitely flip a switch. I'd be on the phone to the school district, I'd write to the paper, etc. because when something happens, there will be paper to show there were people calling them out. Besides, when they're in kindergarten, they can't be embarrassed by mom and dad calling the school.
2012-10-12 8:43 PM
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hrliles - 2012-10-12 7:07 PM

Daughter, 5 yo, comes home from K today.  Said a volunteer "man" came and got her and took her to the Library inside the school.  APX 120 yard walk down 2 hallways.  She is working on her words and catching up..we started her early.  A while back oddly enough my wife asked the school, since she is a volunteer also if they did background checks on the volunteers, the principal, a male , said no.  She raised a concern about this and being alone with kids inside the school.  Well, we didn't know Caroline wold be taken out of class nor did we know it would be by a volunteer, the very nature of our concern.

I'm amazed a school would let a non employee be around kids on school property, even more, be taken from classes.  I mean WTF.

Now, I'm in no less words very PO'd.  You guys always have good, though varying opinions, I do appreciate the feedback, advice, and sounding board.



Lotsa good stuff in responses.

Even though you're not overreacting....... get the facts.

I would be very concerned, at least INITIALLY.
2012-10-13 1:23 AM
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hrliles - 2012-10-12 6:44 PM

Public.  Fact is, I'm mad at myself for not investigating further but how was I to know they would just let her be escorted from class with a "volunteer"  And to thibk this guy, who is probably a nice person, could be on thr sex offender registery.

Oh yeah, I am calling the County School Admin office Monday.  Folks, meet Mr Liles!  And I will be saying lawyer.  I have to think their own lawyers would think this is a major risk / liability by not having BG checks.!!!!

You're overreacting.  Actually, you're WAY overreacting.

If you're really concerned, go to the school and escort your own kid....or go meet the escorts.

Yeah, threaten the school with a lawyer....who cares?

Just FYI, I've raised 5 kids through the public grade school system.....they came in contact with all kinds of people I/they didn't know.....it's called socialization.  As a child, you did too.

BTW - nice avatar!  Semper Fi! 



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2012-10-13 6:56 AM
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I have a son in middle school, and a daughter in elementary school. I think you're overreacting. 

At my kid's school if you only volunteer a few times a year you do not need a background check, if you volunteer over 5, I believe, you need a background check. But as others have said, the system isn't perfect. At our school you have to be buzzed in the door, then check in at the office, and get a visitor badge, so it's not like just anyone can be walking around the school. I have volunteered several times and taken kids out in the hallway to work on reading sentences, or counting change. Would it be different if my husband would have been taking the kids into the hallway instead of me?

I think getting a lawyer is a little over the top. Maybe just call the school and ask about their volunteer policy.



2012-10-13 7:53 AM
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ironannekidd - 2012-10-13 6:56 AM

I have a son in middle school, and a daughter in elementary school. I think you're overreacting. 

At my kid's school if you only volunteer a few times a year you do not need a background check, if you volunteer over 5, I believe, you need a background check. But as others have said, the system isn't perfect. At our school you have to be buzzed in the door, then check in at the office, and get a visitor badge, so it's not like just anyone can be walking around the school. I have volunteered several times and taken kids out in the hallway to work on reading sentences, or counting change. Would it be different if my husband would have been taking the kids into the hallway instead of me?

I think getting a lawyer is a little over the top. Maybe just call the school and ask about their volunteer policy.

x2 and dang it is hard to work with kids anymore without worrying about someone accusing you of something.

Was the volunteer left alone with your child in the library or was he just providing an escort down the hallway? Most schools have people walking up and down the hallways at all times of the day and video cameras recording all day long.

I taught preschool for 13 years. One year I taught in an old trailer at the back of the main building. I was walking the class from the main building to our trailer and it started to rain. All the kids started running to the trailer to get out of the rain, some were faster than others. I waited at the door. One little girl who was slower than the others went home and told her mom that I locked her out of the trailer. Now I get a phone call from an irate parent. I was standing at the door, nothing locked, there was no drama.

That was a little off topic but I've already typed it all .

Anyway, as I said, I've been a teacher for long time and adopted 2 children. I've had background checks with each adoption and with each new school I've taught at. Currently my daughter goes to a Catholic preschool in a different town. I can't come escort her on a field trip or help in the classroom unless I take the Protecting God's Children class which I have had at my own church. It is a class informing parents about pedophiles, very disturbing to say the least. Now the 2 churches can't get their records straight and I'm NOT taking the class again but so far I am not allowed to help out with anything at school. There are some days I go to pick her up and the aide is there by herself because the teacher got called out of class. So now instead of calling in a parent volunteer who is a certified teacher with 15 years experience to volunteer till the end of the day it is better to leave the aide alone with 21 preschoolers?

My son goes to public school. They just don't encourage volunteers at all. No room parties, no parents eating lunch with the kids, no parents helping with playground duty. My husband is the super, I've got on him a little about this but now I understand why. 

I think as parents this is a scary time right? I understand that. You hear stories about creeps like Jerry Sandusky and of course the grotesque behavior of the Catholic Priests from years ago and you get the feeling that you can't trust anyone. You have to be on high alert, protect your child, suspicious for their own good. So now you call a lawyer about the man walking your child down the hallway and next your wife is not allowed to help at the school because they shut down the volunteer program all together. 

Just call the school and ask a few questions.

 

2012-10-13 7:56 AM
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I'd want to know what the "volunteer man" was doing by asking the school and teacher about it first. Was this a classroom aide that was asked to help her with some classwork? Was this someone from special ed or guidance? I would not expect a 5 y.o. to really understand or explain what the reason was for being taken out of class, especially if she is gauging your reaction and then modifying what she says based on your reactions (not trying to deceive, but kids are really good at figuring out that parents are upset with what they are saying and then trying to say the "right" thing).

As for background checks, when my youngest was in HS marching band, we often volunteered to help out for the bus trips and parades as chaperones. At the time, they did not have a policy of getting background checks, and they sometimes struggled to get enough parent volunteers. The year after she graduated, they implemented checks, and had a lot more trouble getting enough parents willing to spend the money and time applying to the state and FBI for background checks. By adding a layer of "protection" (that, as has been pointed out, only identifies those who have previously been caught), you sometimes end up having a smaller pool of applicants due to the burden added.

I think you can enhance safety by requiring volunteers to always be in pairs or small groups, have a paid staff person in eyesight, or have a staff person run the name through the state sex offender database.

2012-10-13 8:51 AM
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hrliles - 2012-10-12 6:07 PM

Daughter, 5 yo, comes home from K today.  Said a volunteer "man" came and got her and took her to the Library inside the school.  APX 120 yard walk down 2 hallways.  She is working on her words and catching up..we started her early.  A while back oddly enough my wife asked the school, since she is a volunteer also if they did background checks on the volunteers, the principal, a male , said no.  She raised a concern about this and being alone with kids inside the school.  Well, we didn't know Caroline wold be taken out of class nor did we know it would be by a volunteer, the very nature of our concern.

I'm amazed a school would let a non employee be around kids on school property, even more, be taken from classes.  I mean WTF.

Now, I'm in no less words very PO'd.  You guys always have good, though varying opinions, I do appreciate the feedback, advice, and sounding board.



Not overacting. There are too many weirdos in this world for this to be appropriate. She was alone with him. Not good at all. The school should know better.



2012-10-13 10:55 AM
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I am a parent of a 10 and 13 year old.  We are very protective...some have accused us of being over the top.  So be it...there our kids.  You need to do what you feel is best.  The situation you describe, you might be over reacting a bit. I have volunteered various times at the schools over the years.  I don't recall ever escorting a child one on one...but I don't find it odd.  Volunteers are a very important part of the schools and if the teacher felt it was necessary for this volunteer to escort your child to the library I would not have a problem with that.  But I need more information than what you have posted here.

2012-10-13 11:12 AM
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hrliles - 2012-10-12 5:44 PM

Public.  Fact is, I'm mad at myself for not investigating further but how was I to know they would just let her be escorted from class with a "volunteer"  And to thibk this guy, who is probably a nice person, could be on thr sex offender registery.

Oh yeah, I am calling the County School Admin office Monday.  Folks, meet Mr Liles!  And I will be saying lawyer.  I have to think their own lawyers would think this is a major risk / liability by not having BG checks.!!!!

I fully support bringing out the big guns, unacceptable. (Yes, I have a healthy dose of paranoia, and then news feeds it continually, look what happened to poor Jessica.)

Patsy



2012-10-13 11:32 AM
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Let me clear up a few questions raised.

  1. My wife volunteers at the school.  I appreciate EVERYONE that does
  2. My wife originally asked and no, they do not do background checks but you fill out a waiver.  Hell, I think the parents should be the one to do that?
  3. The volunteer in question I have not met but Im sure he probably is a nice person.  BUT I DONT KNOW HIM AND HE IS NOT AN EMPLOYE OF THE SCHOOL.  I send my kids to a school to be protected by the employees I entrust them to during the day.  NOT someone who shows up ad hoc. 
  4. From a liability standpoint, when I say lawyer, In todays world I would think a public school having non employees on site would want background checks.  If a worst case happens and they did not do BG checks, what do you think will happen?  School gets sued, WE AS TAXPAYERS foot the bill for the upfront lack of the school to manage risk.  It's simple. 
  5. Yes, man or WOMAN, I have concerns about anyone having MY CHILD out of sight of the OFFICIAL staff at the school.
  6. I absolutely think there is a potential liability risk for the school, on a matter of how this is handled if something were to happen to any child.  As for my child, I want BG checks.
  7. Can a BG check stop everything, no.  Can it help as a risk prevention, yes.

As for the opinions, all of them are very much appreciated.  For that, you are all welcome to dinner tonight. 

2012-10-13 11:58 AM
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If it were me I would go on a fact-finding (rather than accusatory) mission first.
2012-10-13 12:36 PM
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Can't find where I have accused anyone of anything.  And I am addressing the facts as we speak.  You are still invited to dinner but you have to bring a covered dish for not reading the post correctly.
2012-10-13 12:54 PM
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I would be angry.

Our church does background checks on people in children's ministry.  Most churches I know do that.  It seems to reason that a school should do the same.  We are talking about the safety of our kids.

If your daughter's version checks out with everyone else's I would be up in the school's face making sure it didn't happen again with my kid.....or any other because the potential is too high.

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