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2013-07-10 3:19 PM

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I've been a legal secretary at my current job for 6 years. Previously, I worked with horses, training, racing etc for 18 years before going back to school and getting my paralegal degree. I've been a legal secretary for 13 years total now. I hate it. I hate lawyers, I hate the money-grubbing and the deceit and just being locked in an office all day and listening to people yell and cry about not getting what they want. I was diagnosed with breast cancer in February. Stage 1, had 2 surgeries and a course of radiation which all ended in June. The lawyers I work for represent people with disabilities. No one told me I was eligible for temporary disability and thus I used up all my paid time off on the surgeries, doctors' appointments and my daily dose of radiation (I had to leave 1/2 hour early each day and they docked me each and every one). I am not here for a pity party. My fiance and I are moving to gulf coast of Florida next year so I know there is an end in sight.

The problem I am having is that I cannot for the life of me get past this anger over how I was treated. I feel stupid that I did not know or pursue the temporary disability but I also feel that these people who acted like they were concerned about my well being made no effort to lighten my load a little. As a side note, one of the attorneys here is pregnant. She is getting 7 months of maternity leave and then will only work 3 days a week when she returns NEXT YEAR.

The resentment is leaking into other parts of my life. I drive here with a tightness in my chest that begins on Sunday afternoons. I can't concentrate and it is a struggle to be civil while I am here. I guess my question/thought/rant is should I stick this out for another year or look for something, just anything until we pack it up next spring???

What would you do???


2013-07-10 3:30 PM
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I've been a legal secretary at my current job for 6 years. Previously, I worked with horses, training, racing etc for 18 years before going back to school and getting my paralegal degree. I've been a legal secretary for 13 years total now. I hate it. I hate lawyers, I hate the money-grubbing and the deceit and just being locked in an office all day and listening to people yell and cry about not getting what they want. I was diagnosed with breast cancer in February. Stage 1, had 2 surgeries and a course of radiation which all ended in June. The lawyers I work for represent people with disabilities. No one told me I was eligible for temporary disability and thus I used up all my paid time off on the surgeries, doctors' appointments and my daily dose of radiation (I had to leave 1/2 hour early each day and they docked me each and every one). I am not here for a pity party. My fiance and I are moving to gulf coast of Florida next year so I know there is an end in sight.

The problem I am having is that I cannot for the life of me get past this anger over how I was treated. I feel stupid that I did not know or pursue the temporary disability but I also feel that these people who acted like they were concerned about my well being made no effort to lighten my load a little. As a side note, one of the attorneys here is pregnant. She is getting 7 months of maternity leave and then will only work 3 days a week when she returns NEXT YEAR.

The resentment is leaking into other parts of my life. I drive here with a tightness in my chest that begins on Sunday afternoons. I can't concentrate and it is a struggle to be civil while I am here. I guess my question/thought/rant is should I stick this out for another year or look for something, just anything until we pack it up next spring???

What would you do???


I dont know if it's economically feasible but can you just up and walk away and get some sort of temporary in-between job until you move to Florida??? I had a job once where I felt that way many many many years ago, thankfully I found another one very quickly.
2013-07-10 3:38 PM
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I've been a legal secretary at my current job for 6 years. Previously, I worked with horses, training, racing etc for 18 years before going back to school and getting my paralegal degree. I've been a legal secretary for 13 years total now. I hate it. I hate lawyers, I hate the money-grubbing and the deceit and just being locked in an office all day and listening to people yell and cry about not getting what they want. I was diagnosed with breast cancer in February. Stage 1, had 2 surgeries and a course of radiation which all ended in June. The lawyers I work for represent people with disabilities. No one told me I was eligible for temporary disability and thus I used up all my paid time off on the surgeries, doctors' appointments and my daily dose of radiation (I had to leave 1/2 hour early each day and they docked me each and every one). I am not here for a pity party. My fiance and I are moving to gulf coast of Florida next year so I know there is an end in sight.

The problem I am having is that I cannot for the life of me get past this anger over how I was treated. I feel stupid that I did not know or pursue the temporary disability but I also feel that these people who acted like they were concerned about my well being made no effort to lighten my load a little. As a side note, one of the attorneys here is pregnant. She is getting 7 months of maternity leave and then will only work 3 days a week when she returns NEXT YEAR.

The resentment is leaking into other parts of my life. I drive here with a tightness in my chest that begins on Sunday afternoons. I can't concentrate and it is a struggle to be civil while I am here. I guess my question/thought/rant is should I stick this out for another year or look for something, just anything until we pack it up next spring???

What would you do???


Does your company have a policy of paid disability? If not, then....unfortunately....the company doesn't have to pay you and can make you use PTO/personal time for any and all time you take. FMLA is a tricky beast.

Regarding the pregnant attorney....again, is she getting paid those 7 months? What's the companies maternity leave policy? (7 months seems excessive).

You could just be a real thorn in their side.....quit.....file a constructive discharge/disability EEOC charge relating to everything that's happened and hope for a quick settlement.....or nothing comes of it, but you'll be in a happier spot.

2013-07-10 3:58 PM
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I have worked in the legal field for years and I can totally sympathize.  Firms were the WORST.

If you were my in-real-life friend, I would probably suggest two things:

1.  See a therapist.  If you stay there, you need coping techniques.  You can get over this and not have a physical negative reaction.  This won't be a waste of time, and doesn't need to be long term.

2.  I also wonder about leaving the place and working a temp job for a while.  With your experience, I have to think there are some options.  Is there a Robert Half Legal office near you?

2013-07-10 4:06 PM
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QUIT!!!........move on, get out, run away, throw in the towel, hit the road. You could go on for days about why you need to work this job, should work this job have a responsibility to work this job. But none are worth your physical and mental health. YOU ARE WORTH BETTER THAN THIS!
2013-07-10 4:16 PM
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I was in a similar position with a job where resentment grew and it eventually manifested in stomach issues and hair loss.

Sticking it out is NOT worth it, in my opinion. You will do long term damage to your mental and physical health. If it's possible to find another position, do it and do it now. If not, find ways to manage the stress and resentment.

You are really the only one being hurt by your feelings. The more quickly you are able to let it go, the better. .This quote sums it up nicely: "Resentment is like taking poison and waiting for the other person to die." ~Malachy McCourt


2013-07-10 4:38 PM
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Is this a trick... are you really asking for input, or do you just want to vent? J/K... just a little side humor.

Ya, sucks big ones. I had to use FMLA and have plenty of sick and LTD, but had no idea I have STD through my retirment and don't even have to use all my sick... anyway... we just don't learn these things until we need to. I learned a whole lot going through my thing... steep learning curve with serious consequences.

So big picture... you do not really like these folks. You are not going to be there long term. It is what it is. If it is a small office, and you do not have a HR benefits rep to speak to about such stuff, I do not know what they should have done to lay out all your options.

The having hurt feelings for them not "really" caring about you... I get it. Leave. When my heart is not in it... I'm done. But not everyone can just do that, and I do not know if you can either.

One thing I try to do though... is keep my side of the street clean. I agree to do what my employer asks for the compensation I get. If I can't or won't do that, I need to leave. If I can't do that, then I need to keep to my agreement. It is not about them, it is all about you and what you see when you look in the mirror. Keep your chin up.

Congrats on your fight. There are worse things that can happen. Not long from now, these will just be a bunch of idiots you used to work for. It's a means to an end, just remember that.

2013-07-10 5:00 PM
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I have a certain disdain for lawyers as well when I deal with the through work.  And I'm not cutting your employers and kind of slack on the "sleazy" part of them keeping this quite, but are they obligated to remind you of your benefits?  Who in particular would be responsible to tell you "By they way, instead of taking PTO, you DO have these benefits".

Does HR know your situation, or did they just think you were taking days off for things other than health issues?  Does your boss know your time or realize you weren't taking medical leave?  Could it have been oversight or no one knowing all the pieces or was it just simple case of them staying quiet and hoping you don't figure out your benefits?  This should be a reminder for everyone to be aware of what their benefits cover at work.

I'm glad you are through the cancer thing so far.  I'm technically an unofficial "survivor" as well - just need to put in another couple years to make it official.  I know how much time and money it can take.  Sorry to hear this adds to what is already a stressful situation.

 

2013-07-10 7:17 PM
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I like the idea of getting good counsel. I certainly wouldn't make any decision that might put you into a worse financial situation. You know that ultimately it isn't permanent.

If you can find another temporary situation then great. (personally though, I am not a big fan of office temp work)

2013-07-10 7:35 PM
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IF you can be financially secure quitting then quit.  If not look for a short term gig then quit.  I was recently in a similar situation and it is not worth the emotional and physical toll it takes on you.  Leave with grace and dignity and don't look back.  Honestly torturing yourself for a whole year will have an impact on you.  Being a in a job you have nightmares about every night and have physical manifestations in your health is BAD FOR YOU.  Been there done that got the t-shirt

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2013-07-10 9:55 PM
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I was getting stressed out at work, and it would have been nice to walk away to something else but I got fired first.

While I don't miss the BS, I sure miss the paycheck. It bugs me when people just say to quit a bad job. Jobs aren't easy to come by these days.

The frustration of the job search is ridiculous. I cycle between boredom, depression and the occasional rage, with some fleeting optimism thrown in to stir the pot from time to time when some potential job comes along before it falls through.

If a person can pay the bills without it, by all means walk. But I'd like to be able to pay my bills again, even if it meant some of the headaches that came with work.

Everyone's situation is different, as are their priorities. What is more important, cash flow or peace of mind? (And can that peace of mind remain without the cash flow?)


2013-07-11 6:30 AM
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All great points folks and yes, I believe this was a lot of venting although I really do appreciate everyone's opinion. Sometimes I feel like a cry baby and then other times I feel like they royally effed me. It is a small firm, there is no HR dept and while I know it was my responsibility to know that I pay into temp disability every paycheck to tell you the truth I never looked at my paychecks. in the long run, this is not about money to me. I guess what really gnaws at me is that I didn't know that I could have taken the month of May while I underwent radiation therapy and getting out of bed on a daily basis became very hard for me... it would have been nice for someone to have said that maybe I should take some time off. But that falls back on me and me being responsible for me. I get that.

I will most likely stick it out for the year. I am working on getting my head in the right place. Like you said, I feel like a cheat because I am not performing my job to my ability but on the other hand my response to most things in my head are "GFY." So. Yeah, I have some brain rewiring to do if I'm going to get through this. Or I'll get fired. That would totally rock.

Thank heaven I have triathlon and I can go out and throttle myself physically!!!!

Patti
2013-07-11 7:00 AM
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I have gone through a few times here at work that pushed me to the brink, had me looking elsewhere, getting upset, the whole deal. It continues now, but to a smaller degree. My answer has been to compartmentalize some stuff in life, specifically work.  This may seem simple minded, but it has worked for me, for the most part anyway. There are a number of things that you have no control over, so don't let those things get into your head and upset you.  Look at all the positives and know that better times for you are just around the corner and that you will be outta there soon.

2013-07-11 8:36 AM
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I have gone through a few times here at work that pushed me to the brink, had me looking elsewhere, getting upset, the whole deal. It continues now, but to a smaller degree. My answer has been to compartmentalize some stuff in life, specifically work.  This may seem simple minded, but it has worked for me, for the most part anyway. There are a number of things that you have no control over, so don't let those things get into your head and upset you.  Look at all the positives and know that better times for you are just around the corner and that you will be outta there soon.




Yes, this is what I have done in the past as well, so it does make perfect sense to me. Since entering the "cubicle jockey" lifestyle some 13 years ago I have never been one to take my work home and I'm pretty darned good at compartmentalizing. I think the cancer diagnosis and treatment rattled my confidence and I dare say I had a bit of a pity party for myself. I cannot control how others act but I can be my bada$$ self and get through this!!!

BTW, we are moving near you next year - the Punta Gorda/Port Charlotte area! I will not be looking for legal work when I arrive, LOL!!!!!

Thank you again!!!!

Patti
2013-07-11 9:00 AM
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I have gone through a few times here at work that pushed me to the brink, had me looking elsewhere, getting upset, the whole deal. It continues now, but to a smaller degree. My answer has been to compartmentalize some stuff in life, specifically work.  This may seem simple minded, but it has worked for me, for the most part anyway. There are a number of things that you have no control over, so don't let those things get into your head and upset you.  Look at all the positives and know that better times for you are just around the corner and that you will be outta there soon.

Yes, this is what I have done in the past as well, so it does make perfect sense to me. Since entering the "cubicle jockey" lifestyle some 13 years ago I have never been one to take my work home and I'm pretty darned good at compartmentalizing. I think the cancer diagnosis and treatment rattled my confidence and I dare say I had a bit of a pity party for myself. I cannot control how others act but I can be my bada$$ self and get through this!!! BTW, we are moving near you next year - the Punta Gorda/Port Charlotte area! I will not be looking for legal work when I arrive, LOL!!!!! Thank you again!!!! Patti

First off... venting is completely theraputic. Nothing wrong with that. asking for input, help or direction... again, all good stuff.

You seem to get it. I did not have cancer, (could have been) but I get it. It was a very big stress in my life. And people react to stressors in life differently... and to take it out on someone/thing else is not unreasonable... I'm not saying they do not deserve it, but just give your self a break. You had this very big event in your life. Not only did the stress of it effect you, but so did the physical treatment and all that goes with it... how the heck are you going to be able to take a step back and look at it with the proper perspective... you can't. all you can do is get through it the best you can.... which you are still doing from all the fall out with this thing from work. Completely human. Isn't it awesome to find out you are normal!!!

But yes... now what to do about it. you have all the options, but if you stay or go, my guess is that you will continue to get back to normal and get back to dealing with normal stuff like you always have. And time and distance always gives more prospective. Sounds like you already have a pretty good one. All I know for certian is... things WILL change. Nothing is forever.... even crappy places.

2013-07-11 9:08 AM
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All I can say is that I empathize with the crappy work situation as I've been there myself. You doubt your own abilities and feel lousy about yourself. Athletics at least gives you a measured ability to overcome that self doubt as the clock never lies.

I hope you're healthy and through the cancer issues. I haven't personally dealt with it, but been a support person for a few who have. Stay well.


2013-07-11 9:22 AM
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Originally posted by pugpenny
Originally posted by cdban66

I have gone through a few times here at work that pushed me to the brink, had me looking elsewhere, getting upset, the whole deal. It continues now, but to a smaller degree. My answer has been to compartmentalize some stuff in life, specifically work.  This may seem simple minded, but it has worked for me, for the most part anyway. There are a number of things that you have no control over, so don't let those things get into your head and upset you.  Look at all the positives and know that better times for you are just around the corner and that you will be outta there soon.

Yes, this is what I have done in the past as well, so it does make perfect sense to me. Since entering the "cubicle jockey" lifestyle some 13 years ago I have never been one to take my work home and I'm pretty darned good at compartmentalizing. I think the cancer diagnosis and treatment rattled my confidence and I dare say I had a bit of a pity party for myself. I cannot control how others act but I can be my bada$$ self and get through this!!! BTW, we are moving near you next year - the Punta Gorda/Port Charlotte area! I will not be looking for legal work when I arrive, LOL!!!!! Thank you again!!!! Patti

Patti, the worst part in this post is that I have a few friends in the legal area that might need employees. Their loss!!!

I really hope you get through the whole thing, b/c it can mess with your head. Good Luck. I'm looking forward to you getting outta there.

 

2013-07-11 10:39 AM
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BTW, it sounds like you kicked cancers a$$. AWESOME!! Laughing
2013-07-11 11:14 AM
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It is definitely not worth sacrificing your mental health and piece of mind for a paycheck.  On the other hand, loss of pay comes with its own level of mental stress and anxiety.

If it were me, I'd start looking for something else ASAP.  You may have to take a small cut in pay, especially if you're looking for positions that aren't permanent ones being that you're moving.  But I bet less wages will feel like a small price to pay for a peaceful and pleasant work atmosphere.

Even exploring other options and potentially interviewing for them will likely provide some solace as you continue to deal with the current environment.

And congrats on making it through the treatments.  It sounds like you are cancer free?

2013-07-11 11:35 AM
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Well my treatments ended on May 29th (radiation) and I am on tamoxifen for 5 years. My first post-treatment mammo will be in September but as far as I am concerned, yes I am cancer-free!

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2013-07-11 12:20 PM
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A couple of questions to ask yourself:

1. Does what you do on a daily basis save lives?

If the answer is no: I suggest it's not worth risking your health (mental or physical) to do something for a company you feel let you down in multiple ways (using my interpretation of your posts)

2. Is it acceptable to write a year of your life off?

Again, if the answer is no.  Why would you "stick it out"? genuine question and there can be reasons.

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3. Do you absolutely need the financial input? 

Will life for the next 12 months become difficult if you cannot find another job?

Is it likely you could find another role to support your needs?

If you're facing a point where you feel you have to stick it out, can you look at each day this way:

"I'm here today to support my move to FL."

things may seem easier to cope with knowing what you put up with daily is contributing to your end goal of relocating.

Please take your time to think through your options, an unhappy work environment for a year is no easy task, 40 hours a week is a large portion of your time and can very easily impact your life outside.



2013-07-11 2:09 PM
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My wife worked as a Para-legal for years. She endured the stress for a long time. She did as much work or more than the attorneys she worked for (but, luckily, the attorneys were nice guys in their office and with her), BUT, the pay was WAY below than what should be made.

She eventually found a different job with a non-competitor who knew her work ethics, received better pay, and has "moved up" at the business. Happier times.

Hopefully, you can find an outlet for your stress, have support from your family, and eventually will find happiness!

Good luck!
2013-07-11 2:39 PM
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Bringing up memeories... my mom was a para legal. Worked for Harry Ried when he was an attourney in Vegas. She worked for a few. Said she was the highest paid para legal there. I do not know how you would know such a thing, but my mom is not boastful. I remember her telling me one day her boss bought a IBM computer. She had to keep waiting for it to catch up to her when she typed. (135 wpm) Said her boss had to add some memory. Niether of us really understood what that was.

I never remember her being stressed out from work. Dad was in construction, so I always worked with him. Didn't know much about her work. But with dad in construction... there were many many times she was the one keeping a roof over our head. Her quitting would not have been an option... Mom is a very capable, intelligent lady. I should give her a call.

2013-07-12 8:29 AM
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Your mom sounds tough as nails, which most of the excellent paralegals that I have known are. I am more of an artist, dreamer, outdoorsy person. I went back to school and got my degree because I was a woman with a young child and I felt that it was unfair to continue to pursue my dream of training racehorses when I had a daughter to support.

I'm ready to get back to something that is more in line with the person that I am. I can stick this out though. There is a light at the end of the tunnel!

Patti

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2013-07-12 8:59 AM
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My mom and grandmother both had breast cancer and received similar treatment regimens to you (chemo and rediation). My mother specifically couldn't afford not to work so worked throughout her treatment as you are doing. First you are strong! Second, you are STRONG! It is unfortunate you weren't aware of the disability time off available to you AND that no one made you aware. If you are in a place to walk away from that TOXIC environment, DO IT. Find something temporary and STAY STRONG! You should not sacrafice your sanity and happiness.

Not sure where you are relocating to on the Gulf Coast but I'm in St. Pete and know some folks around. I'm happy to help connect you with folks in your field who may have jobs or know folks who do.

Chin up, keep training and be STRONG!

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