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2013-11-07 8:24 AM
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It's kind of a chicken/egg thing isn't it? Does money make people into jerks, or were they jerks before and the money simply gave them the opportunity to be a jerk on a level that wasn't available to them before? Chris Rock says that money just makes you more of whatever you were before you had money. If you were inclined to be generous, money makes you more generous. If you were inclined to be an , you become a super-sized .

I suspect that someone like Kanye West or Mariah Carey (fill in any diva, PIA celebrity) would have been just as much of a diva PIA if they were living in their parent's basement. The fact that they have millions of dollars gives them the opportunity to explore their inner diva PIA in ways they couldn't have imagined under other circumstances.

2013-11-07 8:37 AM
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Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn It's kind of a chicken/egg thing isn't it? Does money make people into jerks, or were they jerks before and the money simply gave them the opportunity to be a jerk on a level that wasn't available to them before? Chris Rock says that money just makes you more of whatever you were before you had money.

He may say it, but he didn't think it up. The only way money changes people is that more money makes them more of what they already are. 

2013-11-07 9:11 AM
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Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn It's kind of a chicken/egg thing isn't it? Does money make people into jerks, or were they jerks before and the money simply gave them the opportunity to be a jerk on a level that wasn't available to them before? Chris Rock says that money just makes you more of whatever you were before you had money.

He may say it, but he didn't think it up. The only way money changes people is that more money makes them more of what they already are. 




Yeah chris rock isn't much of a philosophizer. I think it's true, though. I know if I had a lot of money I'd be an even bigger dbag than I already am.
2013-11-07 9:24 AM
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I watched the whole video. I think the science is very good and fascinating. Clearly, the experiments are set up so that the subjects did not know what was being observed and tested. It shows the subconscious response to wealth is to feel entitled and feel greater personal worth than someone poorer without regard to how the wealth was achieved. I wonder how people would change if they were shown their behaviors. Would they consciously choose to be better or worse person if they saw the video?

 

2013-11-07 9:47 AM
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I'd be more interested to see how people act if they had no money.



2013-11-07 10:24 AM
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I got around to watching the video. Very interesting stuff, but many conclusions can be drawn for the data, not just that money makes people act unethically. Way too many factors involved and unaccounted for. It would be very interesting to see more details about their experiments and data collection methods. Even the way questions are worded can influence the answer. For instance, I'd like to know the exact wording of the question or questions that produced data that showed that the people who won the monopoly game felt like they deserved to win. Plus, to me that is more about the affect winning has on people rather than wealth.

Also, driving a high end car doesn't cause someone to be a jerk, being a jerk causes someone to drive a high end car.

2013-11-07 12:09 PM
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I'd be more interested to see how people act if they had no money.




Don't you see that on the job?
2013-11-07 12:20 PM
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Originally posted by Left Brain

I'd be more interested to see how people act if they had no money.




Don't you see that on the job?


So you're assuming all poor people are criminals?
2013-11-07 12:33 PM
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Originally posted by chirunner134
Originally posted by Left Brain

I'd be more interested to see how people act if they had no money.

Don't you see that on the job?

I do....and what I hear alot is they are mostly criminals, drug addicts, etc.  I also hear that they are mostly black.  I also hear them mostly talked down about...as if they could/should have done something to better themselves and make a better life for themselves.  And that it's not hard to pull yourself up out of the ghetto in this country and change your "standing".  But what I have seen are people doing the best they can in alot of cases......and I've seen kids who are dope dealers that could be successful businessmen.......hugely successful.

What I want is to take a couple hundred wealthy people, strip them of everything, and throw them into some of the neighborhoods I used to patrol. I think It would be a hell of alot more interesting than giving people money to see how they act. 

It would be good for them. It would be fun for me.  A win/win.

2013-11-07 12:56 PM
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LB,

Question.  When you say "most", what is you estimation of percentage?  90% of the poor people are criminals or drug addicts?  80%?  Just over half?

I honestly have no clue.  However, I grew up in a less than savory neighborhood myself with a lot of subsidized housing and even some "projects" a couple miles away.  I would say there were a lot of criminals and drug addicts.  Definitely a lot of alcoholics and almost all black, but looking back, I would still think that most were just people trying to get by and not criminals.  They would go to public schools and their low paying jobs in the day and the bunker down during the night.  Maybe things have changes or I didn't see what was going on around me.



2013-11-07 1:05 PM
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Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by chirunner134
Originally posted by Left Brain

I'd be more interested to see how people act if they had no money.

Don't you see that on the job?

I do....and what I hear alot is they are mostly criminals, drug addicts, etc.  I also hear that they are mostly black.  I also hear them mostly talked down about...as if they could/should have done something to better themselves and make a better life for themselves.  And that it's not hard to pull yourself up out of the ghetto in this country and change your "standing".  But what I have seen are people doing the best they can in alot of cases......and I've seen kids who are dope dealers that could be successful businessmen.......hugely successful.

What I want is to take a couple hundred wealthy people, strip them of everything, and throw them into some of the neighborhoods I used to patrol. I think It would be a hell of alot more interesting than giving people money to see how they act. 

It would be good for them. It would be fun for me.  A win/win.

 

Didn't Eddie Murphy, Dan Akroyd, and Jamie Lee Curtis do this?

 

Edit:  And I think it would be amusing for about a week.  Someone with money and skills to get money is going to get out of that situation in a matter of weeks.



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2013-11-07 1:14 PM
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LB,

Question.  When you say "most", what is you estimation of percentage?  90% of the poor people are criminals or drug addicts?  80%?  Just over half?

I honestly have no clue.  However, I grew up in a less than savory neighborhood myself with a lot of subsidized housing and even some "projects" a couple miles away.  I would say there were a lot of criminals and drug addicts.  Definitely a lot of alcoholics and almost all black, but looking back, I would still think that most were just people trying to get by and not criminals.  They would go to public schools and their low paying jobs in the day and the bunker down during the night.  Maybe things have changes or I didn't see what was going on around me.

In my estimation I would agree... the large majority are not criminals or drug addicts.......just poor people trying to get by.  I did't say "most".....I said I hear that from people.  That being said, proportionally there are MANY more criminals and drug addicts in poor neighborhoods then wealthy ones....at least crimes that we can see and are easily detectable, but there are still more.  There is also more crime that is opportunity driven, not necessarily done by someone you would consider a criminal.  Things like money taken from a wallet that was found in a shopping cart, etc.....the kind of "crime" that presents itself to a poor person as a way to help make ends meet without actually considering yourself to be a criminal.  Yeah, it's a rationalization, but poor people do that in order to get by....I understand it because it just doesn't make them a bad person.... I'd likely do the same if I was raising kids and had very little money.  As you can see....in just 5 lines I can come up with alot of dynamics for the poor......so I'd really enjoy watching wealthy people have to deal with it and see how they go about it.

2013-11-07 1:23 PM
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Originally posted by RussTKD

Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by chirunner134
Originally posted by Left Brain

I'd be more interested to see how people act if they had no money.

Don't you see that on the job?

I do....and what I hear alot is they are mostly criminals, drug addicts, etc.  I also hear that they are mostly black.  I also hear them mostly talked down about...as if they could/should have done something to better themselves and make a better life for themselves.  And that it's not hard to pull yourself up out of the ghetto in this country and change your "standing".  But what I have seen are people doing the best they can in alot of cases......and I've seen kids who are dope dealers that could be successful businessmen.......hugely successful.

What I want is to take a couple hundred wealthy people, strip them of everything, and throw them into some of the neighborhoods I used to patrol. I think It would be a hell of alot more interesting than giving people money to see how they act. 

It would be good for them. It would be fun for me.  A win/win.

 

Didn't Eddie Murphy, Dan Akroyd, and Jamie Lee Curtis do this?

 

Edit:  And I think it would be amusing for about a week.  Someone with money and skills to get money is going to get out of that situation in a matter of weeks.

If they lived.  I disagree.....it would take them a couple of weeks just to get to the point where they weren't scared to go outside.  I've always been pretty amused by how terrified "rich" people are when thyey make a few wrong turns and end up lost where they shouldn't be.

But yeah, you may be right if they got to keep their education credentials, etc.......but how about if we put that wealthy person on the exact same playing field.....you think a couple of weeks, huh?  No way.

That's the problem.....you can give a complete idiot $50,000,000 and make him rich and watch him act like a fool.  But it's hard to make a rich person understand how little opportunity there is for TRULY poor people.....because it has very little to do with money....you have to show them how to do it because the examples they have had are horrible and useless to them.  Very few people want to take the time to do that,  so we throw money at them...and get nothing in return.

2013-11-07 1:33 PM
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Originally posted by chirunner134

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I'd be more interested to see how people act if they had no money.




Don't you see that on the job?


So you're assuming all poor people are criminals?

Nope I just figure he does see the poor who are. It does not sound like he works for the SEC or inside of congress.

If you are rich you do not need to steal bread to eat. When you had no money you either have to rely on someone giving you food, you have to steal it, if you lucky enough you may even get to hunt for it. I think most would probably work very hard for very little so they can get the money they need to eat.
2013-11-07 1:35 PM
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Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by chirunner134
Originally posted by Left Brain

I'd be more interested to see how people act if they had no money.

Don't you see that on the job?

I do....and what I hear alot is they are mostly criminals, drug addicts, etc.  I also hear that they are mostly black.  I also hear them mostly talked down about...as if they could/should have done something to better themselves and make a better life for themselves.  And that it's not hard to pull yourself up out of the ghetto in this country and change your "standing".  But what I have seen are people doing the best they can in alot of cases......and I've seen kids who are dope dealers that could be successful businessmen.......hugely successful.

What I want is to take a couple hundred wealthy people, strip them of everything, and throw them into some of the neighborhoods I used to patrol. I think It would be a hell of alot more interesting than giving people money to see how they act. 

It would be good for them. It would be fun for me.  A win/win.




Isn't that the tv show undercover boss or something like that?


2013-11-07 3:07 PM
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How many people feel some inherent negativity towards people they consider rich?
Conversely, how many people feel that same way towards people they consider poor?

Bottom line is people hold biases and prejudices against others, for many, many reasons; rich, poor, fat, skinny, white, black, male, female, fast, slow, strong, weak, cop, criminal, sinner, saint. We all do it. Some more, some less, but it is a part of human nature.

2013-11-07 3:44 PM
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The issue is that successful people forget their blessings. Your genetic makeup and environment have a huge impact on who you are and become.

My blessings:

Parents who cared about me and my future.

A middle class upbringing

Above average intelligence (but don't we all)

A sound body

A winning personality

While there are individuals who eff up up all of the above (and more) and individuals who overcome extreme adversity; most successful (or moderately successful) folks had at least some foundation for their future.

2013-11-07 3:46 PM
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I'd like to see this study extended where people who are about to lose everything are then given a steady stream of entitlements, and see if it kills motivation to make more and win.

Basically I find this kind of study flawed.  There are diferent people and they react differently to having money.  Also people who grow up with money act differently then people who just got it.  And finally if you earned it vs cheated for it or were just given it, you may act differently.

Too many variables to accurately come to any solid conclusions.

2013-11-07 4:57 PM
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If they lived.  I disagree.....it would take them a couple of weeks just to get to the point where they weren't scared to go outside.  I've always been pretty amused by how terrified "rich" people are when thyey make a few wrong turns and end up lost where they shouldn't be.

But yeah, you may be right if they got to keep their education credentials, etc.......but how about if we put that wealthy person on the exact same playing field.....you think a couple of weeks, huh?  No way.

That's the problem.....you can give a complete idiot $50,000,000 and make him rich and watch him act like a fool.  But it's hard to make a rich person understand how little opportunity there is for TRULY poor people.....because it has very little to do with money....you have to show them how to do it because the examples they have had are horrible and useless to them.  Very few people want to take the time to do that,  so we throw money at them...and get nothing in return.

 

That's the beauty of education though... It can't be taken away.  But yes, I'll concede that some rough neighborhoods in big cities can be extremely scary.

 

2013-11-07 8:04 PM
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Originally posted by chirunner134
Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by chirunner134
Originally posted by Left Brain

I'd be more interested to see how people act if they had no money.

Don't you see that on the job?

I do....and what I hear alot is they are mostly criminals, drug addicts, etc.  I also hear that they are mostly black.  I also hear them mostly talked down about...as if they could/should have done something to better themselves and make a better life for themselves.  And that it's not hard to pull yourself up out of the ghetto in this country and change your "standing".  But what I have seen are people doing the best they can in alot of cases......and I've seen kids who are dope dealers that could be successful businessmen.......hugely successful.

What I want is to take a couple hundred wealthy people, strip them of everything, and throw them into some of the neighborhoods I used to patrol. I think It would be a hell of alot more interesting than giving people money to see how they act. 

It would be good for them. It would be fun for me.  A win/win.

Isn't that the tv show undercover boss or something like that?

There was a TV show that came out sometime after Undercover Boss that did EXACTLY that.  Put a rich person in a poorer area to let them walk a mile in someone else's shoes.   It was a good show, really opened the eyes of those rich folks... and those poor folks. 

 



2013-11-07 9:18 PM
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Again, no one "earns" their financial success 100%.  Intelligence is not earned. Connections are not earned. Your parents are not earned.

They were given to you.  Think about the guy that the Pope was just blessing.  Did this poor soul have a chance?  Count your blessings every day!

http://www.lifenews.com/2013/11/07/pope-francis-applauded-for-kissing-blessing-disabled-man-covered-with-boils/

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