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 2009-06-16 11:13 AM in reply to: #2221252 |
Champion  9060    Charlottesville, Virginia |  Subject: RE: SWBKRUN Mentor Group-Closed! TIME TO TRAIN!BTW, like my new sig everyone? |
| 2009-06-16 11:15 AM in reply to: #2221252 |
Elite 4108 Calgary,AB,Canada | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN Mentor Group-Closed! TIME TO TRAIN! dalessit - 2009-06-16 10:08 AM TrevorC - 2009-06-16 12:05 PM Okay dumb question....Why is the straw on the far side and not the near hole? Because when aero the back hole in the bottle isn't near my mouth. Duh see i told you it was dumb....by the way i need to add this to my signature as well: Proud member of Team Numero Uno, winner, first annual SWBKRUNMG virtual team triathlon! |
| 2009-06-16 11:22 AM in reply to: #2221224 |
Elite 3395 Raleigh | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN Mentor Group-Closed! TIME TO TRAIN! dalessit - 2009-06-16 11:01 AM As far as the difference between the Sprint and Oly IMO there isn't too much difference really other than the total distance. Usually if you can hold that speed for a sprint it isn't too much to take it to the Oly. Transitions should still be pretty quick, no changing or special needs bags. Still don't need a ton of nutrition/drink in Oly just as in Sprint. From the sprints I have done the biggest difference is in the swim length, max sprint swim I have done is 750M, most are in the 300-400M range for pools. Bike courses in sprints I have done have ranged from 12 - 19 miles where an olympic is only 26ish Run is always the same 5k for sprint 10k for olympic so you go from 2.1 miles to 6.2ish miles. This is how I did it. It is for my powertap but you could put the garmin quick release on there as well. Just small piece of PVC painted black, drilled 2 holes in it and used some zip ties to fasten.7  Tony that is one busy set of aerobars! Didn't you mean 3.1 miles and not 2.1? Edited by DougRob 2009-06-16 11:22 AM |
| 2009-06-16 11:25 AM in reply to: #2071255 |
Champion 9060 Charlottesville, Virginia | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN Mentor Group-Closed! TIME TO TRAIN! Yeah 3.1 miles, sorry. As far as the bars go, I tried the PT on the stem and I could never see it so had to move it to where my eyes were. I only use the aero bottle when racing oly's, normally don't use it for anything else. |
| 2009-06-16 11:58 AM in reply to: #2221224 |
Champion 6973 marietta | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN Mentor Group-Closed! TIME TO TRAIN! dalessit - 2009-06-16 11:01 AM Dude.. you have radiators in your house? i remember we had the same paneling on ours growing up in Connecticut. cool. edit... nice floors too Edited by fattyfatfat 2009-06-16 11:59 AM |
| 2009-06-16 12:05 PM in reply to: #2071255 |
Master 2436 Apex, north carolina | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN Mentor Group-Closed! TIME TO TRAIN! Karen - YOU ARE NOT CRAZY AND IT WILL BE OKAY!!! Trevor - For me the sprint to olympic jump involved preparing to race for longer hours. All of my races up to that point we over in 1 and change and I was looking at 3-4 hours for the olympic. So this involved nutrition management and more moderation in the exertion levels. Also, I'll post a photo of my Garmin set up from home. I have the Profile bars that are connected and rounded at the top so I put my mount up there. Andy - that is quite a workout! I would look at you with awe if you said that to me and I do triathlons! AND I LOVE ALL THE THAI JOKES!!! Thanks guys. |
| 2009-06-16 12:12 PM in reply to: #2071255 |
Pro 4100 Wherever the trail takes me, WA. | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN Mentor Group-Closed! TIME TO TRAIN! Tony--- How do you like the Cee Gee's? I just picked up a pair last week and raced with them this weekend! THE BEST! Recommend to all! (Trevor- they are the pads on the aerobars that say Cee Gee)  ! |
| 2009-06-16 12:16 PM in reply to: #2071255 |
Master 2005 Silverton, Oregon | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN Mentor Group-Closed! TIME TO TRAIN! Race report is up! Tracy- No need to apologize, venting is good. Doug had some great advice with the deadline. I know even when family is visiting me it helps keep me sane if I know it will end and I can get back to my regular routine on a specific date. Oh, and team names... I LOVE "Quadzilla and the Seaweed Monster". Also, really like "cheaper than marriage counseling"... although if you count all the gear I'm not sure it is  Doug- Hope you start feeling better soon! Rob- Absolutely adorable pic!!! John- I can't imagine racing in 100+ degrees! I think I'd rather have the hail. Hope it cools for you!Barry- Congrats on your first Oly!!! Karen- You're not crazy, and it WILL be OK!!! Congrats on the hardware!!! On tap for me this week: one more day of rest (probably do a swim and/or easy bike), then I start a run plan for 2 week apart marathons. It was the closest thing I could find for some type of plan for the 2 weeks between Boise and Pacific Crest Marathon. |
| 2009-06-16 12:35 PM in reply to: #2071255 |
Champion 9060 Charlottesville, Virginia | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN Mentor Group-Closed! TIME TO TRAIN! cee gee's are super comfy, someone on BT recommended them in the gear forum. Yeah my house was built in the late 1800's so old pine floors, radiator heating, when we moved in, in 2001 no central AC, I took care of that the first summer we were there. |
| 2009-06-16 1:06 PM in reply to: #2221479 |
Elite 4108 Calgary,AB,Canada | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN Mentor Group-Closed! TIME TO TRAIN! swbkrun - 2009-06-16 11:12 AM Tony--- How do you like the Cee Gee's? I just picked up a pair last week and raced with them this weekend! THE BEST! Recommend to all! (Trevor- they are the pads on the aerobars that say Cee Gee) !A 'friend' on mine had the cee gee's when he was a teenager.....Doctor prescrived this cream and he was fine after! |
| 2009-06-16 1:07 PM in reply to: #2221179 |
Champion 7163 Verona WI--Ironman Bike Country! | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN Mentor Group-Closed! TIME TO TRAIN! DougRob - 2009-06-16 10:49 AM I wear Zoot (made by CEP) socks on some long runs but after all long days. I love em'. Just got my prego wife a pair of 2xu. More compression in Zoot but that is not necessarily an advantage. Also there are those that will tell you the drugstore brand X work just as well for more 1/2 the name brands charge. In light of soon to arrive house guests....Team name. All Thai'd up. How about team "Fit to be Thai'd" Karen congrats on the podium! I bet your going crazy waiting for the official results. I love either name selection, so long as your relatives understand it and aren't offended in some way. Karen, I think you will be fine. If you are comfortable with your swim, then definitely go for it! Trevor, I have thoughts similar to Tracy's when stepping up to an Olympic (having done one!). I think the Oly gives you the ability to settle in to a pacing strategy for the bike and run whereas a Sprint is all out, all the time. I gave myself 5 minutes to lower my HR on the bike before I started drinking and then took it up to the top of Z3 for the rest of the ride. I held back and didn't go to Z4 because I wasnt sure how my legs would handle it. For this race, that was the right decision. I used a similar approach for the 10K. I eased into a pace to start and then slowly built it as best I could. Going from a 5K to a 10K is something to get used to, but I like it better. I'm not a sprinter (at 4'10" how could I be) so holding this pacing is better overall. Finally, I think you do need some nutritional plan. I came dangerously close to bonking taking in only 10oz of fluid and 120 calories for the whole race. Figure out how many calories you burn over that distance and try to replace 30% of them. Edited by SSMinnow 2009-06-16 1:10 PM |
| 2009-06-16 1:19 PM in reply to: #2071255 |
Champion 7163 Verona WI--Ironman Bike Country! | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN Mentor Group-Closed! TIME TO TRAIN! I came across this Marathon Challenge in TP this morning. It seems like there are quite a few doing 26.2m that I thought I would pass it along. Any thoughts? |
| 2009-06-16 2:01 PM in reply to: #2221740 |
Champion 9060 Charlottesville, Virginia | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN Mentor Group-Closed! TIME TO TRAIN! SSMinnow - 2009-06-16 2:19 PM I came across this Marathon Challenge in TP this morning. It seems like there are quite a few doing 26.2m that I thought I would pass it along. Any thoughts? I briefly saw that in the latest issue but wife hasn't finished with it yet so I have no idea where the magazine is currently. Sounds pretty cool, I assume the plan they give you is somewhat similar if not the exact same thing that I linked to the other day. I will check it out. |
| 2009-06-16 2:18 PM in reply to: #2221684 |
Elite 4108 Calgary,AB,Canada | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN Mentor Group-Closed! TIME TO TRAIN! SSMinnow - 2009-06-16 12:07 PM DougRob - 2009-06-16 10:49 AM I wear Zoot (made by CEP) socks on some long runs but after all long days. I love em'. Just got my prego wife a pair of 2xu. More compression in Zoot but that is not necessarily an advantage. Also there are those that will tell you the drugstore brand X work just as well for more 1/2 the name brands charge. In light of soon to arrive house guests....Team name. All Thai'd up. How about team "Fit to be Thai'd" Karen congrats on the podium! I bet your going crazy waiting for the official results. I love either name selection, so long as your relatives understand it and aren't offended in some way. Karen, I think you will be fine. If you are comfortable with your swim, then definitely go for it! Trevor, I have thoughts similar to Tracy's when stepping up to an Olympic (having done one!). I think the Oly gives you the ability to settle in to a pacing strategy for the bike and run whereas a Sprint is all out, all the time. I gave myself 5 minutes to lower my HR on the bike before I started drinking and then took it up to the top of Z3 for the rest of the ride. I held back and didn't go to Z4 because I wasnt sure how my legs would handle it. For this race, that was the right decision. I used a similar approach for the 10K. I eased into a pace to start and then slowly built it as best I could. Going from a 5K to a 10K is something to get used to, but I like it better. I'm not a sprinter (at 4'10" how could I be) so holding this pacing is better overall. Finally, I think you do need some nutritional plan. I came dangerously close to bonking taking in only 10oz of fluid and 120 calories for the whole race. Figure out how many calories you burn over that distance and try to replace 30% of them. Yes, further to Tracy and you .....These points are the ones that really stick out to me. The 4 sprints I've done, have never really been Allout....I think the swim and bike portions yes. But the run no. I will notice the biggest diffference on the 5k to the 10k. Not being a runner, this will be my challenge. If they did swim-run-Bike I'd rock this joint!! I'll just need to pace with the Garmin and go from there. My plan was to survive the first 5k and then push the 2nd 5k if the legs are up to it. Being the 1st Oly I just want to survive- and feel good about finishing. Knock on wood too...Since I've purposing made a point of stretching the calves more at night, I haven't had those tighening issues since. The nutrition...I think for all my sprints I've gotten a little hung up on the nutrition thinking I need this GU and this Bar,etc. Honestly I would bet the nutrition I require for an Oly is actually what I've been doing for a sprint. |
| 2009-06-16 2:39 PM in reply to: #2221298 |
Elite 3072 san francisco | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN Mentor Group-Closed! TIME TO TRAIN! DougRob - 2009-06-16 9:22 AM dalessit - 2009-06-16 11:01 AM As far as the difference between the Sprint and Oly IMO there isn't too much difference really other than the total distance. Usually if you can hold that speed for a sprint it isn't too much to take it to the Oly. Transitions should still be pretty quick, no changing or special needs bags. Still don't need a ton of nutrition/drink in Oly just as in Sprint. From the sprints I have done the biggest difference is in the swim length, max sprint swim I have done is 750M, most are in the 300-400M range for pools. Bike courses in sprints I have done have ranged from 12 - 19 miles where an olympic is only 26ish Run is always the same 5k for sprint 10k for olympic so you go from 2.1 miles to 6.2ish miles. This is how I did it. It is for my powertap but you could put the garmin quick release on there as well. Just small piece of PVC painted black, drilled 2 holes in it and used some zip ties to fasten.7 Tony, another question: for this set up is there enough room to get the aerodrink out or do you have to take the power tap mount off each time. The problem I am running into is not enough room to have the mount for the Garmin and be able to slide the aerodrink out. I don't want to have to zip tie it every time I want to remove the bottle. btw, congrats Karen on signing up for your first oly...it's exciting and scary but it will be fine...Ms. Podium!!! tracy, i like quadzilla and the seaweed monster...it's so perfect!
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| 2009-06-16 3:43 PM in reply to: #2222061 |
Champion 9060 Charlottesville, Virginia | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN Mentor Group-Closed! TIME TO TRAIN! I use the aerodrink mount so I normally just pop the whole thing out when I want to remove it. Also my PT mount does have some play in it so it slides up a bit and I think I have enough room to keep the mount on and get the bottle out though if I needed to. I really didn't have a lot of options, there just is only so much room for an aerobottle and computer mount that is in a place where I can actually see it while riding. |
| 2009-06-16 4:26 PM in reply to: #2222255 |
Champion 5522 Frisco, TX | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN Mentor Group-Closed! TIME TO TRAIN! dalessit - 2009-06-16 3:43 PM I use the aerodrink mount so I normally just pop the whole thing out when I want to remove it. Also my PT mount does have some play in it so it slides up a bit and I think I have enough room to keep the mount on and get the bottle out though if I needed to. I really didn't have a lot of options, there just is only so much room for an aerobottle and computer mount that is in a place where I can actually see it while riding. How do the cee gees attach to the arm rests? I assume adhesive backed velcro. If so, can you customize it? I have an old set of scott aero bars that I like, but the arm pads are long gone and replaced with some pipe insulation super glued down. Do you think the cee gees would work for them? |
| 2009-06-16 4:27 PM in reply to: #2222352 |
Champion 5522 Frisco, TX | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN Mentor Group-Closed! TIME TO TRAIN! ashort33 - 2009-06-16 4:26 PM dalessit - 2009-06-16 3:43 PM I use the aerodrink mount so I normally just pop the whole thing out when I want to remove it. Also my PT mount does have some play in it so it slides up a bit and I think I have enough room to keep the mount on and get the bottle out though if I needed to. I really didn't have a lot of options, there just is only so much room for an aerobottle and computer mount that is in a place where I can actually see it while riding. How do the cee gees attach to the arm rests? I assume adhesive backed velcro. If so, can you customize it? I have an old set of scott aero bars that I like, but the arm pads are long gone and replaced with some pipe insulation super glued down. Do you think the cee gees would work for them? BTW, I decided to "man-up" on the virtual tri beating that my team took - check out my new sig line for the next month... opps- gotta fix the typo... Edited by ashort33 2009-06-16 4:28 PM |
| 2009-06-16 4:29 PM in reply to: #2071255 |
Champion 5522 Frisco, TX | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN Mentor Group-Closed! TIME TO TRAIN! Hopefully its fixed now.... |
| 2009-06-16 5:01 PM in reply to: #2221990 |
Champion 6973 marietta | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN Mentor Group-Closed! TIME TO TRAIN! TrevorC - 2009-06-16 2:18 PM Yes, further to Tracy and you .....These points are the ones that really stick out to me. The 4 sprints I've done, have never really been Allout....I think the swim and bike portions yes. But the run no. I will notice the biggest diffference on the 5k to the 10k. Not being a runner, this will be my challenge. If they did swim-run-Bike I'd rock this joint!! I'll just need to pace with the Garmin and go from there. My plan was to survive the first 5k and then push the 2nd 5k if the legs are up to it. Being the 1st Oly I just want to survive- and feel good about finishing. Knock on wood too...Since I've purposing made a point of stretching the calves more at night, I haven't had those tighening issues since. The nutrition...I think for all my sprints I've gotten a little hung up on the nutrition thinking I need this GU and this Bar,etc. Honestly I would bet the nutrition I require for an Oly is actually what I've been doing for a sprint. You aren't the only one. Relax and have fun brother. You are going to do great! |
| 2009-06-16 5:02 PM in reply to: #2221740 |
Elite 3072 san francisco | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN Mentor Group-Closed! TIME TO TRAIN! SSMinnow - 2009-06-16 11:19 AM I came across this Marathon Challenge in TP this morning. It seems like there are quite a few doing 26.2m that I thought I would pass it along. Any thoughts? Aw, Suzy...you know I had sworn off marathons after my second and last one in 2001...but now that I've been running almost pain free (old pf), I'm tempted to do CIM again and get a CR |
| 2009-06-16 7:58 PM in reply to: #2222453 |
Champion 7163 Verona WI--Ironman Bike Country! | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN Mentor Group-Closed! TIME TO TRAIN! kt65 - 2009-06-16 5:02 PM SSMinnow - 2009-06-16 11:19 AM I came across this Marathon Challenge in TP this morning. It seems like there are quite a few doing 26.2m that I thought I would pass it along. Any thoughts? Aw, Suzy...you know I had sworn off marathons after my second and last one in 2001...but now that I've been running almost pain free (old pf), I'm tempted to do CIM again and get a CR Excellent idea! Given all your HIM training this is a good follow up to it. Should I register for you??? Hey Andy--check out my signature. I think I am a sore loser Ok, I cannot figure out how to make my signature show up! Suzy Edited by SSMinnow 2009-06-16 8:14 PM |
| 2009-06-16 8:12 PM in reply to: #2071255 |
Extreme Veteran 689 | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN Mentor Group-Closed! TIME TO TRAIN! I FINALLY got my new bike back and got fitted for it. I took it for a short spin. It felt totally different compared to my old bike but not in a bad way, it's not as agile in turns but it's very quick on the straightaways. Used the aero bars for the first time and it felt great. I swerved a little but I think I have the hang of it. Overall it seems like I don't have to use as much effort to maintain the same speeds I used to. I'm going on a longer ride tomorrow so we'll if that's still the case tomorrow.. I'm thinking about adding an aero bar drink bottle. Can anyone recommend one? Tony, what is the one you use? |
| 2009-06-16 8:33 PM in reply to: #2222832 |
Elite 4108 Calgary,AB,Canada | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN Mentor Group-Closed! TIME TO TRAIN! trying1 - 2009-06-16 7:12 PM I FINALLY got my new bike back and got fitted for it. I took it for a short spin. It felt totally different compared to my old bike but not in a bad way, it's not as agile in turns but it's very quick on the straightaways. Used the aero bars for the first time and it felt great. I swerved a little but I think I have the hang of it. Overall it seems like I don't have to use as much effort to maintain the same speeds I used to. I'm going on a longer ride tomorrow so we'll if that's still the case tomorrow.. I'm thinking about adding an aero bar drink bottle. Can anyone recommend one? Tony, what is the one you use? Hey Stan...check page a couple of pages... I was asking about the bottles as well. I ended with the single profile design bottle . I think Tony mentioned Bonterra(SP??)was good as well. |
| 2009-06-16 8:48 PM in reply to: #2222881 |
Champion 9060 Charlottesville, Virginia | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN Mentor Group-Closed! TIME TO TRAIN! TrevorC - 2009-06-16 9:33 PM trying1 - 2009-06-16 7:12 PM I FINALLY got my new bike back and got fitted for it. I took it for a short spin. It felt totally different compared to my old bike but not in a bad way, it's not as agile in turns but it's very quick on the straightaways. Used the aero bars for the first time and it felt great. I swerved a little but I think I have the hang of it. Overall it seems like I don't have to use as much effort to maintain the same speeds I used to. I'm going on a longer ride tomorrow so we'll if that's still the case tomorrow.. I'm thinking about adding an aero bar drink bottle. Can anyone recommend one? Tony, what is the one you use? Hey Stan...check page a couple of pages... I was asking about the bottles as well. I ended with the single profile design bottle . I think Tony mentioned Bonterra(SP??)was good as well. Yeah just the single profile aero bottle. I saw the new Bontrager aero bottle at mooseman, don't know much about them but it looked cool and was insulated so probably keeps water a bit colder. Suzy I just checked out that runnersworld thing and it's $130.00 for the plan. Not sure how much they really customize the plan vs what they allready offer. |
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