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2012-07-03 2:20 PM
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chevy57 - 2012-07-03 9:58 AM

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Can I stash an old pair of Crocks at the swim exit? I don't think I can walk barefooted all the way to T1 from the water without something on my feet. It is a really long way. Does this break any of the rules? Have others done it?

Kevin

Hmmm... Yeah, I think the Athlete Guide said something about not allowing "stashed crocks".  Checking ...



2012-07-03 2:22 PM
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keepitup - 2012-07-03 1:52 PM

OK, I may have missed a thread or two about swim start, but I am wondering what strategies people are taking.  I am getting nervous about it as I am a small person and don't want to get mauled to death.  My coach wants me to start in the middle but I think he doesn't understand being little.  I am not a bad swimmer but not super fast either.  Another person told me to start right and swim to the middle.  Leaning towards that but want all sorts of opinions please!

Any advice is appreciated! Or redirection to former threads would be fine

Wear a white swim cap and start with the Pro's.  They get a 10' head start and there's only like 40 of them total.  

2012-07-03 2:24 PM
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TankBoy - 2012-07-03 12:40 PM

A little more shoe porn - UPS just dropped off my Lake Placid marathon kicks:

Rusty's Lake Placid Shoes

I don't think they are going to see as much running as originally planned, but oh well, what the heck, at least they match my kit and I'll look good walking!

Replace "Lake" with the Sand.  And "Placid" with Bagger.  I call shenanigans!!  100 bucks says Rusty goes sub 4 at the marathon!!

But seriously, really cool shoes man.  

2012-07-03 2:29 PM
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chevy57 - 2012-07-03 9:58 AM

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Can I stash an old pair of Crocks at the swim exit? I don't think I can walk barefooted all the way to T1 from the water without something on my feet. It is a really long way. Does this break any of the rules? Have others done it?

Kevin

Hi Kevin, it would be kind of hard to do, I think, just because it would be next to impossible to get off the course at that point. The entire run from the swim to T-1 is behind barricades and is wall-to-wall spectators. If it is any help, I do seem to remember that the entire of the run from swim to T-1 was carpeted... not 100% sure, but others with a better memory can chime in on that.



There are barricades and it is total chaos so finding your crocs might be a challenge. And, yes, the entire path is carpeted, but that offers very little comfort to the feet. The carpeting is very thin.
2012-07-03 2:37 PM
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OK How far is it from the water to T1? I may have to tough it out, but there is no way I can run barefooted even for a few steps.

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2012-07-03 2:49 PM
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Dream Chaser - 2012-07-03 3:22 PM
keepitup - 2012-07-03 1:52 PM

OK, I may have missed a thread or two about swim start, but I am wondering what strategies people are taking.  I am getting nervous about it as I am a small person and don't want to get mauled to death.  My coach wants me to start in the middle but I think he doesn't understand being little.  I am not a bad swimmer but not super fast either.  Another person told me to start right and swim to the middle.  Leaning towards that but want all sorts of opinions please!

Any advice is appreciated! Or redirection to former threads would be fine

Wear a white swim cap and start with the Pro's.  They get a 10' head start and there's only like 40 of them total.  

That is a phenominal suggestion!! made me laugh. 

I'm jealous that you all are tapering.  I opted to avoid the 106 degree heat on Saturday and pushed my long ride to tomorrow.  My taper will begin around 2pm tomorrow afternoon after a 110 mile ride/6 mile run.  One last bale of hay to toss into the barn! 

 



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keepitup - 2012-07-03 1:52 PM

OK, I may have missed a thread or two about swim start, but I am wondering what strategies people are taking.  I am getting nervous about it as I am a small person and don't want to get mauled to death.  My coach wants me to start in the middle but I think he doesn't understand being little.  I am not a bad swimmer but not super fast either.  Another person told me to start right and swim to the middle.  Leaning towards that but want all sorts of opinions please!

Any advice is appreciated! Or redirection to former threads would be fine



It depends. I think for starters it depends on when you think you will finish. I am not a fast swimmer, but I consistently finish in the 1:18 - 1:25 range. I tend to start out straight back towards the beach where I can stand in the water. As it nears the sound of the cannon, I will start about 20 yards behind the front group. I start there, not because I am going to keep up with those folks crowding the starting line, but because there tends to be space in the middle. You have folks way up front and many hanging way back and even standing on shore. I seem to find space in the middle. There are plenty of people on shore and in the water towards the right of the starting line, as was suggested to you. The problem is that you have people from the left, middle and right all converging to the same water out in front. 2,800 people are heading to the same small section of water. You have the same issue at the first turn...everyone is heading for the same place. The good news is that it will thin out a bit over time and certainly by the second loop. My strategy is pretty simple. Start slowly and find space. Settle in and get comfortable. Work towards the cable if at all possible but certainly by the second loop. Accept the contact and take what the swim gives me. If there is free water, work harder to get there. If not, find some feet and keep it steady. I am 6'4" and 220, former football player, so I do not mind the contact. I use to have a friend that raced that hated the contact. He stood on shore for 5 minutes and then started the swim. He figured 5 minutes was nothing and he could make it up later. I know that he was not alone.

So...it depends. If I was a smaller person that was not a fast swimmer and was dreading contact in general, I might start straight back on the shore and smile and take in a few extra minutes of the sunshine, the crowd and the atmosphere. In my opinion, it is the best part of the day until you hear those magical words. Just my two cents. No matter what, there is going to be some contact! Plan on a strategy to deal with it when it happens.
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chevy57 - 2012-07-03 3:37 PM

OK How far is it from the water to T1? I may have to tough it out, but there is no way I can run barefooted even for a few steps.

Kevin



Okay, then you do need a plan, because it is probably 1/4 mile from the beach to your bike bags, AND they do not count that as part of the marathon!!! Seriously, the carpet provides minimal support from the beach to T1. I know there is a table available as you come out of the water for folks that want to leave their glasses on it. I have never used it so I am not sure of the location, but perhaps you could put some crocs near it.
2012-07-03 4:16 PM
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Just looked at the iron distance threads and next closest one isnt even at 30 pages. While we have 147 pages of awesomeness here. With 2.5 weeks left to boot as well. Another reason I'm glad I chose this race, a thread that's never dull and people supporting everyone else through thick and thin, with advice and banter all around to boot. Keep up the good work all and remember to train / taper safely out there.

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2012-07-03 5:25 PM
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I am OK with some contact swimming as I have been competitive in AG short course swims.  I am just worried about being PUMMELED to the point where I can't breathe and then panic

Maybe my coach is right about starting in the middle....

I think we should practice mass swim start at the BT group swim on the Friday Or everyone can pick on me LOL!

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keepitup - 2012-07-03 6:25 PM

I am OK with some contact swimming as I have been competitive in AG short course swims.  I am just worried about being PUMMELED to the point where I can't breathe and then panic

Maybe my coach is right about starting in the middle....

I think we should practice mass swim start at the BT group swim on the Friday Or everyone can pick on me LOL!

I have been involved in some VERY aggressive swims. I also did Louisville IM which was one of, if not the, most tight and cramped swim starts I've ever experienced. In Louisville, however, I experienced absolutely no aggression. It is a long day and we all are starting with the same concerns. Unless one of us is next to one of the 2-3 jerks out there, I'd assume a crowded but friendly swim.

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chevy57 - 2012-07-03 3:37 PM

OK How far is it from the water to T1? I may have to tough it out, but there is no way I can run barefooted even for a few steps.

Kevin

3 to 4 miles. 

I think if you toss your Crocs into a tree limb might be your best bet with finding them.  You could also swim w fins on, then run to T1 w them on. Just a thought...

Good luck.

2012-07-03 7:43 PM
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chevy57 - 2012-07-03 3:37 PM

OK How far is it from the water to T1? I may have to tough it out, but there is no way I can run barefooted even for a few steps.

Kevin

I can give you a piggyback ride... For a small fee
2012-07-03 9:25 PM
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SEADOCHA - 2012-07-03 1:41 PM

I read a good idea for nutrition in bento box. Line it with a plasitc bag, cut up the bonk breakers in sections and eat them as you like. Then you don't have to worry about opening the packages.

 

I really appreciate all the tips for opening packaging beforehand, etc. The lined Bento box is my fav so far. Open all the packs and dump in, it would be like an in ride candy dish.

 



2012-07-03 9:34 PM
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JMoney - 2012-07-03 12:36 PM 

I have been using some of the nutrition that will be used on the course.  I've mainly been using Gu and Chomps.  I have a bento box, but it's not very big.  So what I have been doing is because the Chomps are so hard for me to open, I have been opening them and putting them in a ziplock snack size bag and put that in the bento box.  Then I can just open it (Usually only once) and then I just reach in grab my chomps and continue on.  I haven't really found a Gu routine yet.  I tried a fuel belt flask but I'm not a fan of watering down the Gu.  (It's a mental thing) though I couldn't get the consistency right for it to flow nicely out of the flask.  That would save me some opening time for sure if I could get that down.  I figure I will just live off the course for the run, except for carrying a Nathan's sprint bottle.  

I have the same issue with a Gu flask. I didn't dilute the one time I tried it and I ended up with a gooey sticky mess everywhere; frame, shifters, brakes, tri shorts, etc. Not much came out of the flask easily either. Went with the open packet with teeth method after that.

I know it would be so much easier to just stop, put feet down, and get nutrition, but I'm going to need every minute I can get.

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Dream Chaser - 2012-07-03 8:43 PM
chevy57 - 2012-07-03 3:37 PM

OK How far is it from the water to T1? I may have to tough it out, but there is no way I can run barefooted even for a few steps.

Kevin

I can give you a piggyback ride... For a small fee

Kevin -- I see a deal in the making.  Find out the fee and then hit up Rusty to see if he'll chip in.  No doubt all the trash talk between he and Bobby means that for a pieces of silver he wouldn't mind slowing down his competition.

Seriously, I have never needed assistance like you are describing but I've been to plenty of races with disabled competitors.  Crutches, chairs, guides for the sight impaired and all sorts of aids are a part of regular course of events for race organizers.  I suggest that you tell folks about your situation at registration and see what type of alternatives are available to you.  Though I don't have the answers, I think there is something available to help you out.

2012-07-04 6:11 AM
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Dream Chaser - 2012-07-03 8:43 PM
chevy57 - 2012-07-03 3:37 PM

OK How far is it from the water to T1? I may have to tough it out, but there is no way I can run barefooted even for a few steps.

Kevin

I can give you a piggyback ride... For a small fee

Kevin -- I see a deal in the making.  Find out the fee and then hit up Rusty to see if he'll chip in.  No doubt all the trash talk between he and Bobby means that for a pieces of silver he wouldn't mind slowing down his competition.

Seriously, I have never needed assistance like you are describing but I've been to plenty of races with disabled competitors.  Crutches, chairs, guides for the sight impaired and all sorts of aids are a part of regular course of events for race organizers.  I suggest that you tell folks about your situation at registration and see what type of alternatives are available to you.  Though I don't have the answers, I think there is something available to help you out.

Ok, if we're being serious A.) I would have a friend or spouse stand in a specific spot at the very beginning of the swim start and have them hand me the crocs from the sidelines ... or B.) E-mail the Race Director and tell them of your dilemma and see if they can provide a solution. 



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2012-07-04 8:31 AM
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Happy 4th everyone! mine started out not so hot when my shifter broke off my bike at mile 30 of a 35 mile out and back... an hour wait and getting picked up by an unhappy friend who was trying to sleep in I am off to the LBS to get it fixed. Better now than on the 22nd!! 8 a.m and already 90 degrees here! stay cool everyone!
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Quick poll: Gloves or no gloves?

I usually never wear cycling gloves during triathlons, but I am not sure how long I will be out of my aero bars on climbs, and my hands do go numb pretty easily.



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Annie,

You should race the way you train. I used gloves the first couple of months of cycling, but since I seemed to be the only one I saw with gloves on (noticing other cyclists passing), I stopped using them and trained my hands to get used to it. After my recent, and only, 100 miler, I had some sore spots but no blisters or numbness.

I will be sans gloves at IMLP as my personal choice.

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krobbins64 - 2012-07-03 11:24 AM

Hi all,

I was wondering if I could get some feedback on getting nutrition in during the bike.

K

Hi K

Nutrition/hydration is the 4th element of triathlon. Hopefully you have been practicing what/how much you need and how to get it into you on your long rides/runs. It is imperative to practice what you plan to do on race day to minimize risk of GI upset and other issues which can occur. There are many places discussing guidelines about how much in terms of calories or fluids per hour, but by now we should all have a pretty good idea how much each of us can take in and tolerate. 250-300 cal/hr on the bike and 200 on the run are good guidelines.

My personal plan it to go with a 'feed bottle' on my bike. This will have about 800 calories of a mixture of Endurox and EFS (electrolytes). I plan to mix it on the race morning in transition with ice cubes to sorta keep it cold. I'll add one bottle of chilled gatorade for the aeromount bottle. My rear bottle rack will be empty but I may take extra fluids with me if needed on race day.

On the bike, I'll drink from the feed bottle, as practiced to finish it over the course of one loop. This means taking 3-4 sips every 10 minutes. I plan to take a gel q 40 minutes and drink water and gatorade from handups on the course-sipping from my aero mount bottle often. I seem to need about 2-3 20oz bottles of fluid per hour when it's 80 degrees, based on my weight loss. I also have noticed that if I am thirsty or have a dry mouth, I am much more dehydrated than I think and must hydrate more aggressively.

I plan to eat 1/2 PBJ sandwich after the first loop to get some solids in me. Will then change from gels to sports beans q 40 minutes. I'll stop eating at mile 100 to let my stomach settle down and then will drink water only until the run start.

I have a top bar/stem bag on the bike which will hold my gels/beans/s-caps/pepcid/advil-with a few extra gels that I like. I don't like the GU that will be on the course and would rather have powerbar gels that are easier to go down for me. I tear the tops off of the sports beans so I can get into them easier. I've used plastic bags from the craft store for other nutrition that I want to carry like shotblocks-much easier to take out of a ziplock bag than try to open them while riding.

When I did my practice brick 100mile bike/7 mile run, I had very little issue with nutrition/hydration. My system likes this and although I was a tad dehydrated, it was because I didn't have hand ups in practice.

Good luck with your plan.

Dale

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HOly HOT! My bike computer read 103 today! ughhh! Make sure you are hydrating out there!
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chevy57 - 2012-07-03 8:58 AM

Team,

Can I stash an old pair of Crocks at the swim exit? I don't think I can walk barefooted all the way to T1 from the water without something on my feet. It is a really long way. Does this break any of the rules? Have others done it?

Kevin

Ok, I can't restrain myself...

Yes, you can have a family member slip you some crocks or email the race director...but seriously, you plan to run 26.2 miles in trainers but can't walk/jog 0.25 miles (4 or 5 minutes?) along a carpet over asphault barefoot?

HTFU. Practice running barefoot for 2-3 minutes a few times on grass, then on asphault with socks one. Train for T2. You can do it. If this is a limiter, then do something about it ahead of time. See if you can't work up to several minutes of barefoot running/walking. I will bet on you, the athlete, every time.

Embrace the fact that your foot is not supported but you can get it stronger and do this. Use low, shuffling steps with a quick cadence to minimize landing shock. But moving is moving and that takes less time.

Good luck with whatever you decide.

Dale

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