'The' Gun Thread (Page 13)

Becareful with reloading- it tends to become a hobby of it's own.

All components are in short supply, but I've found small pistol and large and small rifle primers in the past week. Paid a few bucks more than pre panic, but not too bad.

 
Also found 762x39 Lapua brass on sale.

Using home-cast bullets results in 10 cents/round for 9MM and 15 cents/round for 762x39.  Much cheaper than the 50-70 cents/round that are in stock.

Watched 2 active duty solders buying 9mm ammo at Cabelas this morning for ROTC cadet training. It seems their supply person  made a mistake and they were not able to procure ammo through their supply chain.  Perhaps DHS needs to share some of the 1 billion + rounds?

Yep, that's what I mean by hysteria. It's so silly that people are willing to pay a premium price for stuff that's not even theoretically on the chopping block--stuff like handgun ammo and primers.

Just wait for the market to correct itself people--supply and demand.

So with the AW ban taken out of the Senate bill do you think gun prices are going to start to fall back to pre Sandy Hook levels?

I do not think they'll go back down that low but I do think there will a softening of the market and a reduction in pricing on AR style rifles.

Ammo will remain scarce for a while however consider the government is buying it all up.

Don't know if the bold should've been in red or if you were serious.  The Government has fought two of the longest wars in US history and presumably has ramped-up the purchase of ammunition to support those wars (training, live fire, in country). 

So now that the war is slowing-down and there's a heavy civilian demand for ammunition, why would there be a shortage caused by the government buying ammunition?  If anything the shortage is caused by the increased number of civilians buying the ammo available to civilians. 

I don't think the bushmaster/AR-15 type weapons will fall to pre-Sandy Hook levels ever.  They're going to say high priced until either they are all banned or there's a new, better version which will also be more.  Kinda like bikes after the Lance Armstrong years.  They never went back down in price.

I think he was referring to the recent reports about the DHS.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphbenko/2013/03/11/1-6-billion-rounds-of-ammo-for-homeland-security-its-time-for-a-national-conversation/

I think there's two categories of people.  The ones who went out and bought the stuff on the potential chopping block such as AR's and handguns with high capacity magazines.  There was a legitimate concern to drive those sales, IMHO.  I fall into this category because I planned to get an AR later this year.  Then all the talk of banning them increased my timeline on the purchase, just in case.  I spent a $400 premium on the rifle I bought and figured it was worth in because I had a legitimate concern (this is back in December) that I wouldn't be able to purchase one in the future.

Then there's the very public debate about the 2A and an individuals right to protect themselves that drove a huge demand for new gun owners who have never owned a gun, but were newly motivated to exercise their rights.  My wife falls into this category.  We (or I) own several guns and my wife had shot them, but she'd never really taken a personal interest in them.  With all the hoopla in the media she told me she wanted to get her own gun and get a CCW.  So, she bought a .380 S&W Bodyguard and a bunch of practice ammo.  Fortunately we got it at normal price and didn't have to pay a premium.

So, you've got the panic buying of the potential banned guns combined with a huge surge in new demand for first time gun owners, combined with panic buying of potential banned ammo and new shooters buying ammo to go practice (my wife) you get the current situation.  Oh yeah, and then throw in the Government all of a sudden wanting to buy billions of rounds of hollow points for "training" (translated, to falsely drive up ammo prices and lower supply).

So, yes it will all come back down to earth, but I still find it so ironic that the desire of those that want to get guns off the street has led to the largest increase in gun ownership probably in the history of the world.

That's the one I refer to as well.

At the height of the Iraq War the Army was expending less than 6 million rounds a month.  Therefore 1.6 billion rounds would be enough to sustain a hot war for 20+ years.  Oh yeah, and a bug chunk of the purchase are for hollow points which the military can't use.

I think I just threw up a little bit.  I hadn't seen that report.  That's pretty bad.

Hollow points don't work well in semi-auto though.  It gets jammed easier. 

Yep..  Pretty scary right... DHS is buying armored vehicles as well.  Sure sounds like someone is gearing up to suppress some pissed off people.  Hmmmmm...

DanielG - 2013-03-21 7:28 AM

Big Appa - 2013-03-21 10:25 AM No one else here has a K31? I love mine and I got it in '07 for $90.

Nope, but I got an Ishapore 2A1 for $80 about 15 years ago Is yours that 7.5X55 beastie?

Yep, that is one of the reasons I want to start reloading.

It would be interesting the round selection the military would make if they had carte blanche.

Hollow point can be more accurate and reach your target with higher velocity due to less weight and weight transfer to the back of the round, but they lack penetration due to mushrooming.  Sometimes you need to get through that window or sheet rock.

The tumbling action of the current 5.56 after it hits a target is pretty devastating and creates a pretty large wound cavity already.

I also agree with the theory that if you injure and enemy to take them out of the fight, then you take him, and a couple other guys out of the fight caring for him.  If you kill him right away, then you only remove him.

I guess if it were me, something like a hollow point or hydro shock for my sidearm, maybe same for my sub machine gun if in a populated civilian area to reduce civilian casualties from over penetration.  A nice heavy round, like the .45 in the Kriss Vector platform.

Probably stick to the 5.56 for my rifle.  Just like that round for some reason.

(I'm not considering some of the sweet new Lapua rounds in favor of ones that are more currently available)

Left Brain - 2013-03-03 9:43 PM There is only one shotgun.....the Remington 870...all others are mere pretenders.The shotgun discussion can now end.

I'd have to agree that the 870 is the best "meat gun" I've ever used.  My Dad passed away 2 years ago and left me 43...that's not a typo....43 guns, mostly shotguns and a few rifles and handguns.  He was a lover of the old A.H. Fox doubles, which comprised most of his collection.  He gave me one of his old Fox C Grade for my high school graduation and a Sterlingworth about 15 years ago.  I didn't realize he had accumulated so many guns the last 10-15 years.  One is a custom made A.H. Fox C grade he ordered that had a leather case that probably cost more itself than some of my guns.  The receipt for the gun was still in his pile of paperwork....I think it was about $13,500.  A gorgeous gun.

Birkierunner - 2013-03-21 11:00 AM

Left Brain - 2013-03-03 9:43 PM There is only one shotgun.....the Remington 870...all others are mere pretenders.The shotgun discussion can now end.

I'd have to agree that the 870 is the best "meat gun" I've ever used.  My Dad passed away 2 years ago and left me 43...that's not a typo....43 guns, mostly shotguns and a few rifles and handguns.  He was a lover of the old A.H. Fox doubles, which comprised most of his collection.  He gave me one of his old Fox C Grade for my high school graduation and a Sterlingworth about 15 years ago.  I didn't realize he had accumulated so many guns the last 10-15 years.  One is a custom made A.H. Fox C grade he ordered that had a leather case that probably cost more itself than some of my guns.  The receipt for the gun was still in his pile of paperwork....I think it was about $13,500.  A gorgeous gun.

Sorry about your dad, but that's an amazing treasure/gift he left you.  I would be ecstatic and feel that was a very personal/special gift.

(Not ecstatic at the passing of course, but him leaving them to you.)

Birkierunner - 2013-03-21 11:00 AM

Left Brain - 2013-03-03 9:43 PM There is only one shotgun.....the Remington 870...all others are mere pretenders.The shotgun discussion can now end.

I'd have to agree that the 870 is the best "meat gun" I've ever used.  My Dad passed away 2 years ago and left me 43...that's not a typo....43 guns, mostly shotguns and a few rifles and handguns.  He was a lover of the old A.H. Fox doubles, which comprised most of his collection.  He gave me one of his old Fox C Grade for my high school graduation and a Sterlingworth about 15 years ago.  I didn't realize he had accumulated so many guns the last 10-15 years.  One is a custom made A.H. Fox C grade he ordered that had a leather case that probably cost more itself than some of my guns.  The receipt for the gun was still in his pile of paperwork....I think it was about $13,500.  A gorgeous gun.

I have the 1100, The Semi-auto version.

Granted it is a 20 Guage, my first firearm from when I was 11.

Never jammed once.

While I am at it... any suggestions for a Cali legal replacement for my Ruger P94 if I don't replace in kind?

Stolen from my house in 2008.

Overdue to replace my only handgun.

I got a Lee turret press.  Took a while to find powder, primers, and bullets, but I finally got all of those as well.  Shot about 200 rounds at the indoor range the other day, managed to recover most of the brass, so now I'm ready to give it a go.

Now I just need to convince the wife that I really do need an M1A and a 12 gauge pump so that I can start shooting in the local 3 gun competitions.