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A cold 4+ miler this morning, at an easy pace (yesterday and tomorrow are fast days, and Sunday is a long run - should be interesting in the snow we're going to get).  Went to the pool and lollygagged through 2,100 - just getting the muscles used to it again before bringing intensity back.

My back is still keeeeeling me from stacking wood last Sunday, but I'm able to work out without making it worse (actually feels better with activity).

Swim question - when y'all swim, how much do you try to rotate your torso?  I've seen 90 degrees, 45 degrees and Tarzan (0 degrees).  I have read that resistance is halved with a shoulder forward and torso rotated as compared to swimming flat.  Could that be so?  How far do you aim to rotate with each stroke?

And as for kids swimming fast?  My 9 y.o. and 11 y.o. are swimming easy laps that many of my tri peeps would love to put down in a race.  The reeeeallly fast kids on their teams (one on each that is just a different beast - my kids are fast, but these other two are just nuts) are incredibly fast - and not even breathing hard at the end of some killer sets.  Another meet tomorrow, so I'll look at the times (really cool app - mobilemeet - gives results for each event and all heats… all 80-odd events) and post some of the memorable ones for fun.

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2013-12-13 5:38 PM
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<----  About that much.  

Originally posted by mcmanusclan5

Swim question - when y'all swim, how much do you try to rotate your torso?  I've seen 90 degrees, 45 degrees and Tarzan (0 degrees).  I have read that resistance is halved with a shoulder forward and torso rotated as compared to swimming flat.  Could that be so?  How far do you aim to rotate with each stroke?

 

2013-12-13 5:53 PM
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2013-12-13 6:06 PM
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<----  About that much.  

Originally posted by mcmanusclan5

Swim question - when y'all swim, how much do you try to rotate your torso?  I've seen 90 degrees, 45 degrees and Tarzan (0 degrees).  I have read that resistance is halved with a shoulder forward and torso rotated as compared to swimming flat.  Could that be so?  How far do you aim to rotate with each stroke?

 




Yeah I had really experiment with that to find my sweet spot.

I tried a lot of different rotating angles in that search. To me the sweet spot came with just enough rotation to be smooth with the kick while staying long and lean. I think the ultimate sweet spot came in the balance with a powerful catch. None of that probable makes sense but to me. lol
2013-12-13 6:07 PM
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Originally posted by BrotherTribtw Is this group going for a Season III?

I haven't seen anything from Ron about the next set of groups, but I don't see why not.

And I think most of you already know this, but just in case, you are always free to create your own mentor groups on the side and still participate here.  In fact, I highly recommend it if that's what you want to do.  Like the title of this thread still reads, we are always open to everyone...so don't worry about getting "in" before it closes.

2013-12-13 6:19 PM
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I should start a thread on swimming with senior citizens

At the time I swim, everyone, but I mean everyone is over 65. My best swim buddy is 84. He went to the Olympics in Rome as a paddler (1960).

I have been labelled the "fast guy" because I "have a watch"

The next fastest guy is exactly half my pace. I lap him every 100m. I pass him kicking.

The lane is about 7 feet wide so passing is not a problem. There are 4 lanes. Slow is reserved for being in the water and chatting. Medium is for floating. Med/Fast is for someone moving and Fast is everyone else.

Beats swimming with aggressive triathletes.


2013-12-13 6:20 PM
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Originally posted by BrotherTribtw Is this group going for a Season III?

I haven't seen anything from Ron about the next set of groups, but I don't see why not.

And I think most of you already know this, but just in case, you are always free to create your own mentor groups on the side and still participate here.  In fact, I highly recommend it if that's what you want to do.  Like the title of this thread still reads, we are always open to everyone...so don't worry about getting "in" before it closes.





Yeah I already contacted Ron to do so. He said a week or two, so I am working on my Bio. For me that's hard because when it comes to that question Why would you make a good mentor? All I got is experience...... Thanks Jason!
2013-12-13 6:24 PM
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I should start a thread on swimming with senior citizens

At the time I swim, everyone, but I mean everyone is over 65. My best swim buddy is 84. He went to the Olympics in Rome as a paddler (1960).

I have been labelled the "fast guy" because I "have a watch"

The next fastest guy is exactly half my pace. I lap him every 100m. I pass him kicking.

The lane is about 7 feet wide so passing is not a problem. There are 4 lanes. Slow is reserved for being in the water and chatting. Medium is for floating. Med/Fast is for someone moving and Fast is everyone else.

Beats swimming with aggressive triathletes.



Too funny!!!!

When I swim there is about 4 people in their mid 70's swimming.

2013-12-13 6:34 PM
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You guys probably saw it on ST, but holy cow, this is like SOS on steriods, O till O sweden

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36o9M4i4hVA

2013-12-13 6:38 PM
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Yeah, it's one awesome looking race.  I've had it on my "must do" list for a couple of years.  I just keep struggling to get past the whole marathon and a half of running thing...

2013-12-13 6:42 PM
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Originally posted by ChrisM

You guys probably saw it on ST, but holy cow, this is like SOS on steriods, O till O sweden

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36o9M4i4hVA




Different race but the 2015 ITU long distance worlds are in Sweden. I would have liked to give qualification for those a crack next summer.

I am having trouble deciding on a 2014 race plan. I am leaning toward all Oly with the 70.3 worlds at the end.

I will almost certainly volunteer at IMMT.



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2013-12-13 6:48 PM
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Originally posted by marcag
Originally posted by ChrisM

You guys probably saw it on ST, but holy cow, this is like SOS on steriods, O till O sweden

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36o9M4i4hVA

Different race but the 2015 ITU long distance worlds are in Sweden. I would have liked to give qualification for those a crack next summer. I am having trouble deciding on a 2014 race plan. I am leaning toward all Oly with the 70.3 worlds at the end. I will almost certainly volunteer at IMMT.

Marc, come east.

http://challenge-standrews.com/

Wouldn't surprise me if it was an ITU long distance qualifier as well.  I don't think there any other long distance races in New Brunswick.

2013-12-13 6:55 PM
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Originally posted by marcag
Originally posted by ChrisM

You guys probably saw it on ST, but holy cow, this is like SOS on steriods, O till O sweden

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36o9M4i4hVA

Different race but the 2015 ITU long distance worlds are in Sweden. I would have liked to give qualification for those a crack next summer. I am having trouble deciding on a 2014 race plan. I am leaning toward all Oly with the 70.3 worlds at the end. I will almost certainly volunteer at IMMT.

Marc, come east.

http://challenge-standrews.com/

Wouldn't surprise me if it was an ITU long distance qualifier as well.  I don't think there any other long distance races in New Brunswick.





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2013-12-13 6:58 PM
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It's on my short list.  At this point I'd probably have to have a reason to NOT do it.  There is a pretty decent sized crowd from here that are going.

2013-12-14 7:56 AM
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Today I am going to start playing with the Spinscan on the computrainer to see if I have any funky imbalances like DC rainmaker's during the stages review.

Something geeky to do during a planned bike workout.

Maybe a run later in this tropical -16c. First run without any Achilles funkiness yesterday.

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2013-12-14 8:08 AM
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Originally posted by marcag
Originally posted by axteraa

Originally posted by marcag
Originally posted by ChrisM

You guys probably saw it on ST, but holy cow, this is like SOS on steriods, O till O sweden

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36o9M4i4hVA

Different race but the 2015 ITU long distance worlds are in Sweden. I would have liked to give qualification for those a crack next summer. I am having trouble deciding on a 2014 race plan. I am leaning toward all Oly with the 70.3 worlds at the end. I will almost certainly volunteer at IMMT.

Marc, come east.

http://challenge-standrews.com/

Wouldn't surprise me if it was an ITU long distance qualifier as well.  I don't think there any other long distance races in New Brunswick.

Are you doing it ?

The only qualifier I've seen officially listed is the Grand Rapids 70.3.  Are there others?  I would SO rather race St. Andrews (not just because it's logistically easier and I still have family from the Scots side there, but it's just way prettier!) - even more so than the Patriot half (a lot of local friends race this one - great feel, from what I'm told).

I have next to zero chance to qualify, but the prospect - however slim - of taking the family to Sweden and doing a monster race (triple-Oly!) is almost too tempting…  and motivating.

OK, let the ridicule for such delusions begin, but that looks like a really nice race regardless.  

Matt



2013-12-14 8:21 AM
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The only qualifier I've seen officially listed is the Grand Rapids 70.3.  Are there others?  I would SO rather race St. Andrews (not just because it's logistically easier and I still have family from the Scots side there, but it's just way prettier!) - even more so than the Patriot half (a lot of local friends race this one - great feel, from what I'm told).

I have next to zero chance to qualify, but the prospect - however slim - of taking the family to Sweden and doing a monster race (triple-Oly!) is almost too tempting…  and motivating.

OK, let the ridicule for such delusions begin, but that looks like a really nice race regardless.  

Matt




If it's a qualifier I suspect it would be for Canadians only. I am not sure of this.

We will grant you honorary citizenship if you want to race with us.

Qualifying in Canada for ITU long distance has always been pretty easy. It seemed few wanted to go. Olys seem to be harder.
2013-12-14 8:30 AM
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Originally posted by mcmanusclan5

Originally posted by marcag
Originally posted by axteraa

Originally posted by marcag
Originally posted by ChrisM

You guys probably saw it on ST, but holy cow, this is like SOS on steriods, O till O sweden

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36o9M4i4hVA

Different race but the 2015 ITU long distance worlds are in Sweden. I would have liked to give qualification for those a crack next summer. I am having trouble deciding on a 2014 race plan. I am leaning toward all Oly with the 70.3 worlds at the end. I will almost certainly volunteer at IMMT.

Marc, come east.

http://challenge-standrews.com/

Wouldn't surprise me if it was an ITU long distance qualifier as well.  I don't think there any other long distance races in New Brunswick.

Are you doing it ?

The only qualifier I've seen officially listed is the Grand Rapids 70.3.  Are there others?  I would SO rather race St. Andrews (not just because it's logistically easier and I still have family from the Scots side there, but it's just way prettier!) - even more so than the Patriot half (a lot of local friends race this one - great feel, from what I'm told).

I have next to zero chance to qualify, but the prospect - however slim - of taking the family to Sweden and doing a monster race (triple-Oly!) is almost too tempting…  and motivating.

OK, let the ridicule for such delusions begin, but that looks like a really nice race regardless.  

Matt

Matt, Grand Rapids is the only US qualifier. Arend & Marc would be looking at Canadian qualifiers. And for long course qualifying, there is a much better shot of making it than you think as it hasn't been as popular in the past from what I know. People do it, but there isn't nearly the buzz like for short course this year, or other more normal years. I think your chances of making it are realistic. Your Timberman time would have been well within the top 20 at Rev3 Anderson this year.

2013-12-14 10:18 AM
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The whole Stages discussion had me wondering about my L/R power balance so I rode with SpinScan


I seem to apply more power to the left leg at lower wattages and it becomes more even as I go higher. At 5MP I am 50/50

This means my power at lower wattages would be over estimated more than at higher. My Z3 power would be about 10% too high

So if I do a 5min & 20min test to calculate my FTP, my FTP will be overstated

But that's ok because as I drop to 70 or 80% of FTP that will be even more overstated

So it would all work out but not because of any type of accuracy of the PM
2013-12-14 10:52 AM
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Originally posted by mcmanusclan5

Originally posted by marcag
Originally posted by axteraa

Originally posted by marcag
Originally posted by ChrisM

You guys probably saw it on ST, but holy cow, this is like SOS on steriods, O till O sweden

 

Are you doing it ?

The only qualifier I've seen officially listed is the Grand Rapids 70.3.  Are there others?  I would SO rather race St. Andrews (not just because it's logistically easier and I still have family from the Scots side there, but it's just way prettier!) - even more so than the Patriot half (a lot of local friends race this one - great feel, from what I'm told).

I have next to zero chance to qualify, but the prospect - however slim - of taking the family to Sweden and doing a monster race (triple-Oly!) is almost too tempting…  and motivating.

OK, let the ridicule for such delusions begin, but that looks like a really nice race regardless.  

Matt

Matt, in the fwiw category I did Patriot last year. Now, the view from where I raced is quite different from where you would be competing but thought I'd share a couple thoughts. The logistics are exceptionally well done. It is a small race, with a local 'feel' but very well supported. Swim is terrific. The bike is nice, but not that interesting imo - except a couple spots along the water. It's flat and the roads are decent (exceptionally decent compared to NJ). The run is mostly residential and not shaded. Again, I was on the course much later and longer so that may not matter to you. One item that stood out... the roads had an extreme camber...which I really noticed.  I would not want to run regularly on that kind of slope. I don't know if it's sold out yet but suspect it will do so quickly. It's become quite popular.

 

2013-12-14 11:17 AM
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Originally posted by ChrisM

You guys probably saw it on ST, but holy cow, this is like SOS on steriods, O till O sweden

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36o9M4i4hVA

That looks like a crazy race!  But seriously, NOT ENOUGH BIKING!!!

 

Fun group ride in the (light) rain, fog (in a couple areas), and wind this morning.  My bike is so dirty you'd think I went mountain biking!  Last year, you wouldn't have caught me out riding in conditions like that, but I told myself I needed to be a big girl this year and it's paying off....not only is my biking getting stronger, but I'm having so much fun



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Originally posted by marcag The whole Stages discussion had me wondering about my L/R power balance so I rode with SpinScan I seem to apply more power to the left leg at lower wattages and it becomes more even as I go higher. At 5MP I am 50/50 This means my power at lower wattages would be over estimated more than at higher. My Z3 power would be about 10% too high So if I do a 5min & 20min test to calculate my FTP, my FTP will be overstated But that's ok because as I drop to 70 or 80% of FTP that will be even more overstated So it would all work out but not because of any type of accuracy of the PM

How disparate is your L/R power?  I kind of figured mine was going to have a big difference because when I first came back from knee surgery, I babied my left knee....and then I felt like I started over compensating and pushed harder with my left knee.  My Quarq tells me L/R power and it's almost always 50/50....and when it's not, it's 49/51 or 51/49 -- heh.

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Originally posted by marcag The whole Stages discussion had me wondering about my L/R power balance so I rode with SpinScan I seem to apply more power to the left leg at lower wattages and it becomes more even as I go higher. At 5MP I am 50/50 This means my power at lower wattages would be over estimated more than at higher. My Z3 power would be about 10% too high So if I do a 5min & 20min test to calculate my FTP, my FTP will be overstated But that's ok because as I drop to 70 or 80% of FTP that will be even more overstated So it would all work out but not because of any type of accuracy of the PM

How disparate is your L/R power?  I kind of figured mine was going to have a big difference because when I first came back from knee surgery, I babied my left knee....and then I felt like I started over compensating and pushed harder with my left knee.  My Quarq tells me L/R power and it's almost always 50/50....and when it's not, it's 49/51 or 51/49 -- heh.




I go as high as 55/45 but averaged 52.3/47.6.
Low Z2 was the worst

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