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axteraa - 2013-04-22 5:48 AM I am sorry about that. I didn't notice the disability. Now that you describe it, I think it is the fishtail in the hips that I was relating to. I went back and watched the video I had taken almost a year ago and saw a similar movement. I am hoping my catch and balance have improved since then, but I am not that confident.KansasMom - 2013-04-21 11:45 PM axteraa - 2013-04-21 5:34 AM My wife took some video of the 100 free and parts of the 1500. It's just crappy iPhone video so the quality isn't great. 100 Free - I am in lane 5, just right of the clock on the wall at the start 1500 Free part 1 - this is around the 600m mark 1500 Free part 2 - this is around the 1000m mark 1500 Free part 3 - the final 100 I have a question about the woman in the red cap at the bottom of the screen in your 1500 free videos. Can you identify what she is doing wrong? I am afraid that I look a lot like that. I need to get some fresh video to be sure, but I am curious what advice you might give her in the mean time. That's a tough one given that I know she has a physical disability that limits her movements. However, were that not the case, the biggest overall issue is just wasted movement. Throwing the right arm in the recovery leading to a fishtail in the hips and a big wide kick to maintain balance. It's also interesting to look at the strokes of two women in the lanes between her and myself. The one closest to the camera has a nice smooth relaxed stroke but her catch and pull aren't terribly effective so she doesn't get a ton of speed out of it. The one closest to me has a shorter choppier stroke but her catch and pull are much more effective. If you could put the two of them together, they would have a nice fast efficient stroke. What I am struck by in watching your stroke is how far you get with each stroke and how effortless it seems compared to the three in the bottom of the screen. That is the strength of the pull, I assume. Anyway, thanks for posting your videos. I have enjoyed watching them (repeatedly). |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() riorio - 2013-04-21 1:44 PM My Splash N Dash event was cancelled today. Someone died in a boating accident yesterday in Tempe Town lake, so the lake is closed. A group of decided to drive out to Saguaro lake instead. I did a nice 3.5 mile run then a 2200 ish yard swim. So I guess I Dashed then Splashed.
Ouch, sorry to hear that, for those involved. It seems like you really have a good group of folks to train with, which is pretty cool. |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I've been looking over psyche sheets for an upcoming Masters meet. See a bunch of times for people I swim with regularly that I likely can't touch, but I'm faster than them at practice much of the time. Psyche sheets are estimated swim times, but I think many have swum right about these times at prior meets. Looking at predominantly 50 & 100 yd events, various strokes. Does the taper and it being a meet make that much difference? Is it doing a single event with big spacing between them, vs doing a bunch of repeats? (I do seem to outlast them more so, staying strong later on in the workout) Am I just working myself harder in practice? I do work on speed, but with the mindset of being faster at longer distance, as opposed to being for sprint events. Edited by brigby1 2013-04-22 7:34 AM |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Fred D - 2013-04-22 6:43 AM I rode twice this weekend. Saturday with a former PSU cycling team roadie who kicked my butt. Then with another friend yesterday. Much of my riding has been at very high effort levels this year which isn't necessarily very smart, but when riding with people you sort of have to keep up don't you? One thing that the power users (nerds lol) might find interesting is that I have been looking at prior rides with power over the same routes and comparing speed and HR. it gives me a pretty good idea of what my NP was on Saturday.... Would guess north of 260 for the 3hrs. The whole experience was shell shocking enough to result in me not swimming this am.... I don't know that the higher effort riding is necessarily a problem if you can recover from it. If that's ok, it might help to know more specifics about how it was hard. If it does get to be a bit much, in general you do want to keep up with the group, so maybe go with a bit easier (or less difficult) of a group or on your own for some of the rides. And to the bolded, don't you work somewhere along the lines of medical robotics? |
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Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() axteraa - 2013-04-21 6:34 AM My wife took some video of the 100 free and parts of the 1500. It's just crappy iPhone video so the quality isn't great. 100 Free - I am in lane 5, just right of the clock on the wall at the start 1500 Free part 1 - this is around the 600m mark 1500 Free part 2 - this is around the 1000m mark 1500 Free part 3 - the final 100 Arend, That is very cool.
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Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() tri808 - 2013-04-22 12:29 AM Chris...you make me feel like an idiot. I noticed that the free hub pops off the first time I ever changed the cassette on it 3 years ago. Yet it never dawned upon me that I didn't need to take off the cassette to put the disc cover on because of it. And as far as riding steady power outside...it's a little tricky at first, but you get used to it. It's also excellent practice for keeping your effort steady on race day. Add me to the dummy list. First time the free hub popped off I looked at it in horror wondering what I had just done. Never once dawned on me to do that when installing the disc cover... |
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Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Asalzwed - 2013-04-21 9:44 PM GoFaster - 2013-04-21 8:34 PMQuestion - my hip flexors seem to be tightening up once I get past 10km running. Suggestions on what I can do to loosen things up a bit? Do you think that maybe it's more of a weakness issue? Our coach makes us religiously do step-ups for hip flexor strength. You calling me a wimp??? Actually I think that could be a very real possibility. I keep telling myself I need to do some (not a lot) of strength training to correct some imbalances, and srengthen certain areas that I'm simply not improving with SBR, but that are impacted by SBR. It's just finding the time... |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() brigby1 - 2013-04-22 6:25 AMI've been looking over psyche sheets for an upcoming Masters meet. See a bunch of times for people I swim with regularly that I likely can't touch, but I'm faster than them at practice much of the time. Psyche sheets are estimated swim times, but I think many have swum right about these times at prior meets. Looking at predominantly 50 & 100 yd events, various strokes. Does the taper and it being a meet make that much difference? Is it doing a single event with big spacing between them, vs doing a bunch of repeats? (I do seem to outlast them more so, staying strong later on in the workout) Am I just working myself harder in practice? I do work on speed, but with the mindset of being faster at longer distance, as opposed to being for sprint events. Swimming is in general a bit of a different beast compared to what we do in triathlon--especially with the sprints. I was never a sprinter. And to this day I have friends that havent been in the water that can still pull out the stops and kick my a$$ at a 50fly or 50free. 100 might be tough and I could kill them at 200 and above. Swim racing is different than repeats in practice. Some sets are designed for race pace--but generally when you do them you have sufficient rest if the point is to hold your 200m pace as an example. A good taper is amazing in swimming. its a mix of water feel, being amped up and confidence. The best 200fr I ever did was easily 10s faster than what I had ever done in a practice at that point. But, the thing about psych sheets is sometimes the best time that person achieved ever. Period. And things change over the years. When I went back to club swimming/pseudo masters in my first two years of med I made my coaches enter me with different times because I would have gotten slaughtered in a heat that was seeded based off my PB. I was prob 15s slower for 200m distances than my best ever performances. In that same light, some meets allow people to enter their own times. I've had meets where the psych sheets were accurate and meets where the rankings were rewritten. Don't think about it too much. Psych sheets have a tendency to psych you out. Just go out and do your races--race the people in your heat--or race the fastest time. Try not to race the psych sheet. |
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Veteran![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() riorio - 2013-04-20 7:10 PM axteraa - 2013-04-20 6:52 PM I'm jealous of all the great rides you all are getting in. I'm hoping to join the club tomorrow! Masters swim meet was this evening, results as follows: 50 Breast - 36.7 - just ok, I don't swim that stroke fast very often so not used to going fast with it I think I was second overall in the two 50s, first in the 1500 and I think first in the 100 but there was a couple of guys in the first heat that went pretty fast and I don't know what their times were. Didn't stick around for the awards meal because it was late. Awesome! Congrats! I'd never have the courage to do a swim race! Those are great times, arend!! And I agree, Sally, I don't have the courage to do a swim race. I'm somewhat interested (same with a TT as well), but so very intimidated! |
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Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() KansasMom - 2013-04-22 8:36 AM What I am struck by in watching your stroke is how far you get with each stroke and how effortless it seems compared to the three in the bottom of the screen. That is the strength of the pull, I assume. Anyway, thanks for posting your videos. I have enjoyed watching them (repeatedly). Thanks, I was glad to have them for my myself, it's been a while since I had any video at all. Still trying to figure out how to get some underwater shots. |
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Pro![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I didn't realize there was a group with this free-form format available. I've got my own mentor group going right now that I've kept open but if its OK I may pop in here once in a while to participate. We're supposed to get 6-10" of snow tonight where I live so winter has not let go of its grip. |
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Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Birkierunner - 2013-04-22 11:01 AM I didn't realize there was a group with this free-form format available. I've got my own mentor group going right now that I've kept open but if its OK I may pop in here once in a while to participate. We're supposed to get 6-10" of snow tonight where I live so winter has not let go of its grip. Welcome Jim! Our door is always open whenever you want to pop in. |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() mndymond - 2013-04-22 8:32 AM brigby1 - 2013-04-22 6:25 AMI've been looking over psyche sheets for an upcoming Masters meet. See a bunch of times for people I swim with regularly that I likely can't touch, but I'm faster than them at practice much of the time. Psyche sheets are estimated swim times, but I think many have swum right about these times at prior meets. Looking at predominantly 50 & 100 yd events, various strokes. Does the taper and it being a meet make that much difference? Is it doing a single event with big spacing between them, vs doing a bunch of repeats? (I do seem to outlast them more so, staying strong later on in the workout) Am I just working myself harder in practice? I do work on speed, but with the mindset of being faster at longer distance, as opposed to being for sprint events. Swimming is in general a bit of a different beast compared to what we do in triathlon--especially with the sprints. I was never a sprinter. And to this day I have friends that havent been in the water that can still pull out the stops and kick my a$$ at a 50fly or 50free. 100 might be tough and I could kill them at 200 and above. Swim racing is different than repeats in practice. Some sets are designed for race pace--but generally when you do them you have sufficient rest if the point is to hold your 200m pace as an example. A good taper is amazing in swimming. its a mix of water feel, being amped up and confidence. The best 200fr I ever did was easily 10s faster than what I had ever done in a practice at that point. But, the thing about psych sheets is sometimes the best time that person achieved ever. Period. And things change over the years. When I went back to club swimming/pseudo masters in my first two years of med I made my coaches enter me with different times because I would have gotten slaughtered in a heat that was seeded based off my PB. I was prob 15s slower for 200m distances than my best ever performances. In that same light, some meets allow people to enter their own times. I've had meets where the psych sheets were accurate and meets where the rankings were rewritten. Don't think about it too much. Psych sheets have a tendency to psych you out. Just go out and do your races--race the people in your heat--or race the fastest time. Try not to race the psych sheet.Ok, thanks Melissa. Sounds like it's mostly the taper having a bigger effect than I thought then. I'll be fine in the 1650 free. The 50 fly was more puzzling, though I should be fine from any psyche outs as I just wanted to do the event, kind of expecting to be behind. I put 37 as I don't really know for sure. First 10 in my age are 30 sec or faster. Then me. Then another guy who may need a break at the wall. Edited by brigby1 2013-04-22 9:50 AM |
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![]() Birkierunner - 2013-04-22 4:01 AM I didn't realize there was a group with this free-form format available. I've got my own mentor group going right now that I've kept open but if its OK I may pop in here once in a while to participate. We're supposed to get 6-10" of snow tonight where I live so winter has not let go of its grip. Feel free to pop in any time. You would be an excellent resource to the group. |
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Pro![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() axteraa - 2013-04-22 10:00 AM KansasMom - 2013-04-22 8:36 AM What I am struck by in watching your stroke is how far you get with each stroke and how effortless it seems compared to the three in the bottom of the screen. That is the strength of the pull, I assume. Anyway, thanks for posting your videos. I have enjoyed watching them (repeatedly). Thanks, I was glad to have them for my myself, it's been a while since I had any video at all. Still trying to figure out how to get some underwater shots. ditto on your stroke/speed Arend. Did I miss the answer to your question? What was the one simple thing? |
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![]() axteraa - 2013-04-22 3:22 AM Man I wish my variability was 7w. I was seeing 110 to 350..... And no other riders to blame it on. A few times I got in a sweet spot and could sorta tell I was in range. Other times, not so muchtri808 - 2013-04-22 1:29 AM Chris...you make me feel like an idiot. I noticed that the free hub pops off the first time I ever changed the cassette on it 3 years ago. Yet it never dawned upon me that I didn't need to take off the cassette to put the disc cover on because of it. And as far as riding steady power outside...it's a little tricky at first, but you get used to it. It's also excellent practice for keeping your effort steady on race day. I've heard about this mythical freehub popping off but I've never tried it on mine.... too chicken. What do you do to get it to do it? Agree with Jason on the power, it can be really tricky depending on the terrain and conditions. I give myself a little flexibility sometimes when something happens to throw the numbers off. Yesterday I had to coast for about 15 seconds in the middle of a 20' interval to avoid riding into the back of some jackhole that cut me off and as a result my AP dropped about 7w. I just kept going steady at the target power knowing the number would be a bit low as a result rather than overdo the rest of it to try to bring it up. By the end of the 20' the AP had crept back within 2w of the target. as for the free hub removal, I learned tha on ST. my biggest win of the weekend is finally going out to get new work khakis in the proper size and a new belt, since all my pants were way too baggy, and I am a once a year shopping guy |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() brigby1 - 2013-04-22 8:48 AM See how it goes. 50fly is fun. Just giver and make sure you touch the wall with both hands at the same time! mndymond - 2013-04-22 8:32 AM brigby1 - 2013-04-22 6:25 AMI've been looking over psyche sheets for an upcoming Masters meet. See a bunch of times for people I swim with regularly that I likely can't touch, but I'm faster than them at practice much of the time. Psyche sheets are estimated swim times, but I think many have swum right about these times at prior meets. Looking at predominantly 50 & 100 yd events, various strokes. Does the taper and it being a meet make that much difference? Is it doing a single event with big spacing between them, vs doing a bunch of repeats? (I do seem to outlast them more so, staying strong later on in the workout) Am I just working myself harder in practice? I do work on speed, but with the mindset of being faster at longer distance, as opposed to being for sprint events. Swimming is in general a bit of a different beast compared to what we do in triathlon--especially with the sprints. I was never a sprinter. And to this day I have friends that havent been in the water that can still pull out the stops and kick my a$$ at a 50fly or 50free. 100 might be tough and I could kill them at 200 and above. Swim racing is different than repeats in practice. Some sets are designed for race pace--but generally when you do them you have sufficient rest if the point is to hold your 200m pace as an example. A good taper is amazing in swimming. its a mix of water feel, being amped up and confidence. The best 200fr I ever did was easily 10s faster than what I had ever done in a practice at that point. But, the thing about psych sheets is sometimes the best time that person achieved ever. Period. And things change over the years. When I went back to club swimming/pseudo masters in my first two years of med I made my coaches enter me with different times because I would have gotten slaughtered in a heat that was seeded based off my PB. I was prob 15s slower for 200m distances than my best ever performances. In that same light, some meets allow people to enter their own times. I've had meets where the psych sheets were accurate and meets where the rankings were rewritten. Don't think about it too much. Psych sheets have a tendency to psych you out. Just go out and do your races--race the people in your heat--or race the fastest time. Try not to race the psych sheet.Ok, thanks Melissa. Sounds like it's mostly the taper having a bigger effect than I thought then. I'll be fine in the 1650 free. The 50 fly was more puzzling, though I should be fine from any psyche outs as I just wanted to do the event, kind of expecting to be behind. I put 37 as I don't really know for sure. First 10 in my age are 30 sec or faster. Then me. Then another guy who may need a break at the wall. ![]() |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() ChrisM - 2013-04-22 10:00 AM axteraa - 2013-04-22 3:22 AM Man I wish my variability was 7w. I was seeing 110 to 350..... And no other riders to blame it on. A few times I got in a sweet spot and could sorta tell I was in range. Other times, not so muchtri808 - 2013-04-22 1:29 AM Chris...you make me feel like an idiot. I noticed that the free hub pops off the first time I ever changed the cassette on it 3 years ago. Yet it never dawned upon me that I didn't need to take off the cassette to put the disc cover on because of it. And as far as riding steady power outside...it's a little tricky at first, but you get used to it. It's also excellent practice for keeping your effort steady on race day. I've heard about this mythical freehub popping off but I've never tried it on mine.... too chicken. What do you do to get it to do it? Agree with Jason on the power, it can be really tricky depending on the terrain and conditions. I give myself a little flexibility sometimes when something happens to throw the numbers off. Yesterday I had to coast for about 15 seconds in the middle of a 20' interval to avoid riding into the back of some jackhole that cut me off and as a result my AP dropped about 7w. I just kept going steady at the target power knowing the number would be a bit low as a result rather than overdo the rest of it to try to bring it up. By the end of the 20' the AP had crept back within 2w of the target. I see instantaneous values all over the place too. It was his AP that dropped by 7. After you've been riding for a bit, it should remain more steady as there are more data points in that average. it would take a much bigger variation to change it, or a smaller held for a much longer time. Even when it's really hilly, my average can stay fairly consistent late in a ride. And I don't have a PowerTap, so never had the inclination to go look for what you found! Edited by brigby1 2013-04-22 10:34 AM |
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Pro![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Putting myself thru a little exercise in self-torture this morning..... Last Monday prior to the start of Boston I put a post on my facebook page about wanting to go back to race Boston since I hadn't raced there since my one and only time in 1999 despite having re-qualified 9x since then. That was before the bombings. Ever since the tragedy of last Monday I keep saying to myself "I want to go back in 2014". Then the reality of my 2013 race schedule stares me in the face....Triple T in May, 2 short local races in June and July, IM M-T in August and IM Arizona in November. Entry for Boston opens up in September and will no doubt sell out in near record time due to this year's events. That doesn't give many "windows" in which to run a qualifying marathon. Grandmas Marathon is June 22...8 weeks from today. I've raced there 4x before, its my favorite marathon course, and have run a 2:51 there a couple times. I have been telling myself I won't do another stand alone marathon until after I KQ. But now KQ seems like a secondary goal for some reason. Having grown up in Mass, skipping high school classes to drive to Boston to see the race, etc is making this even more difficult. After having been at this endurance racing game for almost 35 years I know all the pros and cons of squeezing in a marathon. I've got the Grandmas race entry website page sitting in the background on my browser.....hmmmmmm |
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Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() ChrisM - 2013-04-22 11:00 AM axteraa - 2013-04-22 3:22 AM Man I wish my variability was 7w. I was seeing 110 to 350..... And no other riders to blame it on. A few times I got in a sweet spot and could sorta tell I was in range. Other times, not so muchtri808 - 2013-04-22 1:29 AM Chris...you make me feel like an idiot. I noticed that the free hub pops off the first time I ever changed the cassette on it 3 years ago. Yet it never dawned upon me that I didn't need to take off the cassette to put the disc cover on because of it. And as far as riding steady power outside...it's a little tricky at first, but you get used to it. It's also excellent practice for keeping your effort steady on race day. I've heard about this mythical freehub popping off but I've never tried it on mine.... too chicken. What do you do to get it to do it? Agree with Jason on the power, it can be really tricky depending on the terrain and conditions. I give myself a little flexibility sometimes when something happens to throw the numbers off. Yesterday I had to coast for about 15 seconds in the middle of a 20' interval to avoid riding into the back of some jackhole that cut me off and as a result my AP dropped about 7w. I just kept going steady at the target power knowing the number would be a bit low as a result rather than overdo the rest of it to try to bring it up. By the end of the 20' the AP had crept back within 2w of the target. as for the free hub removal, I learned tha on ST. my biggest win of the weekend is finally going out to get new work khakis in the proper size and a new belt, since all my pants were way too baggy, and I am a once a year shopping guy Chris - I like to ride with 3sec power and lap power (by default I have this set as 5km, but will remove the default if I'm doing any intervals longer than 9-10min). I found the instant power is just a bit too jumpy, and 3sec smooths the variability a bit. Being able to see lap power at the same time, on the same screen is good feedback for how you're really doing. If I was just looking at current power all the time (which I've foolishly done during a race) I'd not really have a clear picture of what I was doing at that point in time (talking minutes rather than seconds). Just my 2 cents. |
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![]() Oh, it was already on 3 sec. It wasn't jumping around like current power, I was just unable to hold a power for 20 minutes on the road. I should add I had 3 90 degree turns for each interval, plus traffic and lights. It was not an ideal set up to do 3 x 20 anything, but it was such a nice day there was no way I doing that on the trainer I was also showing HR (holdover from prior ride), and time for the intervals. If I was showing AP or NP, it wouldn't really be all that accurate, would it, as there was an easy warmup and 5 minutes of soft pedaling between the 20s? BTW, here she is all dolled up. I know it's not a proper drive side photo but this is BT Edited by ChrisM 2013-04-22 11:40 AM |
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![]() | ![]() GoFaster - 2013-04-22 8:08 AM Asalzwed - 2013-04-21 9:44 PM GoFaster - 2013-04-21 8:34 PMQuestion - my hip flexors seem to be tightening up once I get past 10km running. Suggestions on what I can do to loosen things up a bit? Do you think that maybe it's more of a weakness issue? Our coach makes us religiously do step-ups for hip flexor strength. You calling me a wimp??? Actually I think that could be a very real possibility. I keep telling myself I need to do some (not a lot) of strength training to correct some imbalances, and srengthen certain areas that I'm simply not improving with SBR, but that are impacted by SBR. It's just finding the time... I said no such thing It is hard to fit one more thing into a plan where you are already doing 3 different things. I totally get that. BUT, if you establish just a small supplemental routine (like say, 15-20 minutes?) it makes a big difference over a period of time. |
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Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() ChrisM - 2013-04-22 12:25 PM Oh, it was already on 3 sec. It wasn't jumping around like current power, I was just unable to hold a power for 20 minutes on the road. I should add I had 3 90 degree turns for each interval, plus traffic and lights. It was not an ideal set up to do 3 x 20 anything, but it was such a nice day there was no way I doing that on the trainer I was also showing HR (holdover from prior ride), and time for the intervals. If I was showing AP or NP, it wouldn't really be all that accurate, would it, as there was an easy warmup and 5 minutes of soft pedaling between the 20s? BTW, here she is all dolled up. I know it's not a proper drive side photo but this is BT Nice looking ride! You can set your AP and NP per lap - not just overall ride, so it will be very accurate. You just have to keep in mind that when you start a new lap or interval (at least on a Garmin) the AP resets immediately, but the NP is carrying over from the previous lap/interval. I can't remember the details on how this piece works, but for me, NP is useful as an overall metric, and when I'm into longer intervals or overall ride. |
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