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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Plainsman AU - 2009-12-16 5:44 PM Went to the bookstore and bought "Chi Running'" today. Anyone got any experience with this? Hoping might help with the ITB maybe? Thought it would be interesting concept to try. I have the DVD if you want to borrow it... actually, it is pretty simple concept... don't run - have a multi-mile controlled fall... |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Happychick - 2009-12-16 6:03 PM IF I decide to do my first HIM next year, should I skip my planned tri that is 3 weeks before hand? I really want to do it (can choose either sprint or oly) but I don't know how that would fit in with training. Any thoughts? Hey Michelle. I'm planning on an OLY two weeks before a HIM this year. Plenty of time to recover. Talked it over with my coach and we decided its a good idea. Work out any kinks, transitions, etc... So there are advantages. The real challenge is going to be throttling back during the OLY. Even as slow as I am, this is still a very difficult thing to do once the gun goes off. Having said that, I'm thinking 3 weeks out may not fit though because that should be a big training weekend . For example if you have a 60 mile ride and a 10 mile run that weekend then it probably won't fit because you're going to want to get those two in. For my first Steve and I spent some time talking about it and decided I should skip a sprint the month before in order to get a 60 miler in. Hope this makes sense. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() fattyfatfat - 2009-12-16 1:28 PM Happychick - 2009-12-16 6:03 PM IF I decide to do my first HIM next year, should I skip my planned tri that is 3 weeks before hand? I really want to do it (can choose either sprint or oly) but I don't know how that would fit in with training. Any thoughts? Hey Michelle. I'm planning on an OLY two weeks before a HIM this year. Plenty of time to recover. Talked it over with my coach and we decided its a good idea. Work out any kinks, transitions, etc... So there are advantages. The real challenge is going to be throttling back during the OLY. Even as slow as I am, this is still a very difficult thing to do once the gun goes off. Having said that, I'm thinking 3 weeks out may not fit though because that should be a big training weekend . For example if you have a 60 mile ride and a 10 mile run that weekend then it probably won't fit because you're going to want to get those two in. For my first Steve and I spent some time talking about it and decided I should skip a sprint the month before in order to get a 60 miler in. Hope this makes sense. It makes total sense! I looked at the plan I'm thinking of using and it is actually a light(er) weekend as far as training goes. The bike would be short but I guess I could make that up, huh?! Or maybe I should just look at one a little further out as that just seems to be cutting it a bit too close for comfort (for a worry wart like me, that is!) ![]() |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Happychick - 2009-12-16 6:43 PM fattyfatfat - 2009-12-16 1:28 PM Happychick - 2009-12-16 6:03 PM IF I decide to do my first HIM next year, should I skip my planned tri that is 3 weeks before hand? I really want to do it (can choose either sprint or oly) but I don't know how that would fit in with training. Any thoughts? Hey Michelle. I'm planning on an OLY two weeks before a HIM this year. Plenty of time to recover. Talked it over with my coach and we decided its a good idea. Work out any kinks, transitions, etc... So there are advantages. The real challenge is going to be throttling back during the OLY. Even as slow as I am, this is still a very difficult thing to do once the gun goes off. Having said that, I'm thinking 3 weeks out may not fit though because that should be a big training weekend . For example if you have a 60 mile ride and a 10 mile run that weekend then it probably won't fit because you're going to want to get those two in. For my first Steve and I spent some time talking about it and decided I should skip a sprint the month before in order to get a 60 miler in. Hope this makes sense. It makes total sense! I looked at the plan I'm thinking of using and it is actually a light(er) weekend as far as training goes. The bike would be short but I guess I could make that up, huh?! Or maybe I should just look at one a little further out as that just seems to be cutting it a bit too close for comfort (for a worry wart like me, that is!) ![]() haha. you want to talk about worry wart. i was beside myself almost a month out. we'll be here for you though. i'm not sure what you mean by "make up for that". what plan are you thinking of using. edit. if its a lighter weekend that 40k TT at Hono Tri might be a cool option. Still get to be involved in the race while getting a good hard ride in. Edited by fattyfatfat 2009-12-16 7:01 PM |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Plainsman AU - 2009-12-16 6:44 PM Went to the bookstore and bought "Chi Running'" today. Anyone got any experience with this? Hoping might help with the ITB maybe? Thought it would be interesting concept to try. Absolutely LOVE the book and the concept. I have been working on this for about a year and it works GREAT for me. I have had back issues for years and this has helped me with that as well as knee problems. It also works well for maintaining my pace without the jarring of being a heel-striker. Steve |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() fattyfatfat - 2009-12-16 1:49 PM Happychick - 2009-12-16 6:43 PM fattyfatfat - 2009-12-16 1:28 PM Happychick - 2009-12-16 6:03 PM IF I decide to do my first HIM next year, should I skip my planned tri that is 3 weeks before hand? I really want to do it (can choose either sprint or oly) but I don't know how that would fit in with training. Any thoughts? Hey Michelle. I'm planning on an OLY two weeks before a HIM this year. Plenty of time to recover. Talked it over with my coach and we decided its a good idea. Work out any kinks, transitions, etc... So there are advantages. The real challenge is going to be throttling back during the OLY. Even as slow as I am, this is still a very difficult thing to do once the gun goes off. Having said that, I'm thinking 3 weeks out may not fit though because that should be a big training weekend . For example if you have a 60 mile ride and a 10 mile run that weekend then it probably won't fit because you're going to want to get those two in. For my first Steve and I spent some time talking about it and decided I should skip a sprint the month before in order to get a 60 miler in. Hope this makes sense. It makes total sense! I looked at the plan I'm thinking of using and it is actually a light(er) weekend as far as training goes. The bike would be short but I guess I could make that up, huh?! Or maybe I should just look at one a little further out as that just seems to be cutting it a bit too close for comfort (for a worry wart like me, that is!) ![]() haha. you want to talk about worry wart. i was beside myself almost a month out. we'll be here for you though. i'm not sure what you mean by "make up for that". what plan are you thinking of using. Thanks! ![]() |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() TriFrog93 - 2009-12-16 3:24 PM SSMinnow - 2009-12-16 2:48 PM Warning: I am a data geek that would like to weigh in on the Garmin 305. I bought the new 310 model that you are "supposed" to be able to use in the water. Well, in my experience it only works if it is tucked under your swim cap. Everytime you go to take a stroke you have the potential to lose tracking capability. I saw this happen to several of my OWS friends this summer as well. Personally, I like the feel of the 305 better and if you use Training Peaks it is an automatic upload. It's cheaper and it works well. I have an Garmin Edge 305 for biking now and like it, but plan to get a Powertap (for some bike--see earlier rant) so will probably switch to the Edge 705 if I feel I need it. You can spend a ton on tracking devices so really think about how you plan to use it before investing. Otherwise, it sits in the drawer (take it from someone who is a slow learner). Suzy Any issues with using in the water? (aside from no data) I have one on the way and really got it because it was a waterproof Garmin. I do all my swim training in a pool so don't need the GPS there..I just wanted to be able to wear it on the swim portion of a race and not have to worry about switching it from my bike to wrist in transition. No issues with wearing it in the water, but is is big so you either have to figure out how to fit it under your wetsuit and struggle to get the suit off OR put it over your wetsuit and know you have to take it off during a race. I leave my 305 in transition in my helmet and slip it on as part of that T1 process (even though I don't use it until Post T2). Doug, my bike guy has worked with GURU in the past and said they have had delivery issues before. We only went with GURU because it was my only custom option other than the $12,000 Parlee frame. He actually laughed when they sent me an email telling me they were cutting the carbon. He said that is what they tell everyone to get us excited. I have not talked to him about the issue, but FB'ed him to get his opinion. Right now, GURU is sitting with $2700 of my money and I am going to want it back if they cannot give us a reasonable resolution. Told them that today. If you don't mind, I will keep you in the loop for your perspective. Ran on the Alter G today. Interesting, but definitely not like running at a 20% load. If I load to 70% (70lbs), it does mimic running, but that still bugs the foot. All I want to do is go run 6m. Is that really too much to ask after 6 weeks of sitting on my fanny? |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Happychick - 2009-12-16 7:04 PM fattyfatfat - 2009-12-16 1:49 PM Happychick - 2009-12-16 6:43 PM fattyfatfat - 2009-12-16 1:28 PM Happychick - 2009-12-16 6:03 PM IF I decide to do my first HIM next year, should I skip my planned tri that is 3 weeks before hand? I really want to do it (can choose either sprint or oly) but I don't know how that would fit in with training. Any thoughts? Hey Michelle. I'm planning on an OLY two weeks before a HIM this year. Plenty of time to recover. Talked it over with my coach and we decided its a good idea. Work out any kinks, transitions, etc... So there are advantages. The real challenge is going to be throttling back during the OLY. Even as slow as I am, this is still a very difficult thing to do once the gun goes off. Having said that, I'm thinking 3 weeks out may not fit though because that should be a big training weekend . For example if you have a 60 mile ride and a 10 mile run that weekend then it probably won't fit because you're going to want to get those two in. For my first Steve and I spent some time talking about it and decided I should skip a sprint the month before in order to get a 60 miler in. Hope this makes sense. It makes total sense! I looked at the plan I'm thinking of using and it is actually a light(er) weekend as far as training goes. The bike would be short but I guess I could make that up, huh?! Or maybe I should just look at one a little further out as that just seems to be cutting it a bit too close for comfort (for a worry wart like me, that is!) ![]() haha. you want to talk about worry wart. i was beside myself almost a month out. we'll be here for you though. i'm not sure what you mean by "make up for that". what plan are you thinking of using. Thanks! ![]() ok. now that i see it, i'd rock the sprint. you are off the 14th. long ride on the 15th, off 16th and 17th. the week of the 17th is the first week of taper leading into Honu. that should be FUN! keep the beer cold i might show up. edit. it looks like the sprint is the first tri of the year. so kinda the same thing i'm doing with the OLY / HIM. Edited by fattyfatfat 2009-12-16 7:27 PM |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() SSMinnow - 2009-12-16 8:11 PM TriFrog93 - 2009-12-16 3:24 PM SSMinnow - 2009-12-16 2:48 PM Warning: I am a data geek that would like to weigh in on the Garmin 305. I bought the new 310 model that you are "supposed" to be able to use in the water. Well, in my experience it only works if it is tucked under your swim cap. Everytime you go to take a stroke you have the potential to lose tracking capability. I saw this happen to several of my OWS friends this summer as well. Personally, I like the feel of the 305 better and if you use Training Peaks it is an automatic upload. It's cheaper and it works well. I have an Garmin Edge 305 for biking now and like it, but plan to get a Powertap (for some bike--see earlier rant) so will probably switch to the Edge 705 if I feel I need it. You can spend a ton on tracking devices so really think about how you plan to use it before investing. Otherwise, it sits in the drawer (take it from someone who is a slow learner). Suzy Any issues with using in the water? (aside from no data) I have one on the way and really got it because it was a waterproof Garmin. I do all my swim training in a pool so don't need the GPS there..I just wanted to be able to wear it on the swim portion of a race and not have to worry about switching it from my bike to wrist in transition. No issues with wearing it in the water, but is is big so you either have to figure out how to fit it under your wetsuit and struggle to get the suit off OR put it over your wetsuit and know you have to take it off during a race. I leave my 305 in transition in my helmet and slip it on as part of that T1 process (even though I don't use it until Post T2). Doug, my bike guy has worked with GURU in the past and said they have had delivery issues before. We only went with GURU because it was my only custom option other than the $12,000 Parlee frame. He actually laughed when they sent me an email telling me they were cutting the carbon. He said that is what they tell everyone to get us excited. I have not talked to him about the issue, but FB'ed him to get his opinion. Right now, GURU is sitting with $2700 of my money and I am going to want it back if they cannot give us a reasonable resolution. Told them that today. If you don't mind, I will keep you in the loop for your perspective. Ran on the Alter G today. Interesting, but definitely not like running at a 20% load. If I load to 70% (70lbs), it does mimic running, but that still bugs the foot. All I want to do is go run 6m. Is that really too much to ask after 6 weeks of sitting on my fanny? Of course I do not mind. |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Ran on the Alter G today. Interesting, but definitely not like running at a 20% load. If I load to 70% (70lbs), it does mimic running, but that still bugs the foot. All I want to do is go run 6m. Is that really too much to ask after 6 weeks of sitting on my fanny? I just read about that in Racing Weight. Where were you able to do this? Edited by sarahswhere 2009-12-16 7:42 PM |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() sarahswhere - 2009-12-16 7:42 PM Ran on the Alter G today. Interesting, but definitely not like running at a 20% load. If I load to 70% (70lbs), it does mimic running, but that still bugs the foot. All I want to do is go run 6m. Is that really too much to ask after 6 weeks of sitting on my fanny? I just read about that in Racing Weight. Where were you able to do this? Sport and Spine Clinic in Madison took delivery of one yesterday. There are a couple in the city mainly used for hip rehab patients. Are you in the area? |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() SSMinnow - 2009-12-16 8:10 PM sarahswhere - 2009-12-16 7:42 PM Ran on the Alter G today. Interesting, but definitely not like running at a 20% load. If I load to 70% (70lbs), it does mimic running, but that still bugs the foot. All I want to do is go run 6m. Is that really too much to ask after 6 weeks of sitting on my fanny? I just read about that in Racing Weight. Where were you able to do this? Sport and Spine Clinic in Madison took delivery of one yesterday. There are a couple in the city mainly used for hip rehab patients. Are you in the area? I'm originally from Milwaukee and I make it by once a year or so to visit. I could always come up there and check it out. I was planning on coming back for the Mutisport Expo at the end of January. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Just got done with my second session back on the trainer. How long is it gonna take for my rear to get stop hurting? On another note, my running times for this week have been faster than normal. I should probably take it a little slower to prevent shin splints, but the new guys at work keep asking me to run with them, and I tend to push a little harder when I run with them....I like to see who will quit first...so far so good, it isn't me ![]() Did I mention you guys ROCK! |
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![]() kkcbelle - 2009-12-16 4:41 PM Speaking of which... How long will a fully-charged Garmin go? Will it last for an IM? Do you turn it on before the race so it can find the satellite, then wear it for the run and bike? Or turn it on during T1 to conserve batteries? I am a "keep it simple" kind of person. For IMFL I only used my watch for the run...turned it on leaving T2. The swim had a clock as you came out of the water. I used my bike computer for the bike. So only needed my watch for the run. During the run I looked at the time to see where I was in the day and the pace for the run piece. Felt like I had all the info I needed at any given point in the day. |
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![]() Happychick - 2009-12-16 7:03 PM IF I decide to do my first HIM next year, should I skip my planned tri that is 3 weeks before hand? I really want to do it (can choose either sprint or oly) but I don't know how that would fit in with training. Any thoughts? Look at your training plan for your HIM. If I did it I would use it to work on nutrition, transitions, or something that will help you in your HIM. Don't know if I would race it hard. Factor in recovery time if you decide to race it hard. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Ahh good to see there are some other data junkies here, mine comes from my computer engineering background! I am a nerd what can I say?!? I had a 305, posted a review on my blog about it. I would have never used it without the quick release after getting it. It made it much more comfortable on the wrist. I used to swim with the 305 (inside a ziplock) under my cap. It worked to get my time, and mostly my route in the water, and it made me look like I had a dorsal fin when I swam! I just upgraded to the 310xt as I plan on snagging a powertap wheel in the next month and want the ANT+ capability of the 310. At this point I do not do long races so the battery life is not an issue for me. I am working on a review of the 310 to go up on the blog as well. I would summarize with the three advantages: - Waterproof (can already have it on your wrist) true it does not track route, but all I care about is time and how it relates to others racing. Sure a course may be long or short and you will miss that, but rough water etc can add to the difficulty too, so even GPS is slightly flawed in that case - ANT+ If you want to train with power, it can pick it up, enough said - Battery life - for the HIM/IM distance people I have not used the 310 in the pool yet, and do not expect it to track anything but time there. I do wish it could read heart rate in water like some Polar units do, but what do ya do. All things said, I am pleased with my upgrade. You can pick one up on Trizone for 349 minus 15 to 20 percent off with a coupon code, plus the garmin 50 rebate, can bring the price down pretty close to 250 (non HR model) |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() What I am most proud of... Like others here, getting through my first races and doing better than I expected. Thought my first year would be just 1 or 2 sprints but went from sprint to Oly and felt great about it. Also completed first 1/2 marathon which was great (but a little painful at the end!). Saw huge improvements in both swim and run...looking for some of that on the bike this year. I just got the 305 for my b-day. Haven't used it yet but will next week. Even at $250, I couldn't justify the extra $100 to go for the 310...for under @200, I got the 305 with HR and the cadence sensor and quick release strap. Excited to get using it! |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() fattyfatfat - 2009-12-16 2:16 PM Happychick - 2009-12-16 7:04 PM fattyfatfat - 2009-12-16 1:49 PM Happychick - 2009-12-16 6:43 PM fattyfatfat - 2009-12-16 1:28 PM Happychick - 2009-12-16 6:03 PM IF I decide to do my first HIM next year, should I skip my planned tri that is 3 weeks before hand? I really want to do it (can choose either sprint or oly) but I don't know how that would fit in with training. Any thoughts? Hey Michelle. I'm planning on an OLY two weeks before a HIM this year. Plenty of time to recover. Talked it over with my coach and we decided its a good idea. Work out any kinks, transitions, etc... So there are advantages. The real challenge is going to be throttling back during the OLY. Even as slow as I am, this is still a very difficult thing to do once the gun goes off. Having said that, I'm thinking 3 weeks out may not fit though because that should be a big training weekend . For example if you have a 60 mile ride and a 10 mile run that weekend then it probably won't fit because you're going to want to get those two in. For my first Steve and I spent some time talking about it and decided I should skip a sprint the month before in order to get a 60 miler in. Hope this makes sense. It makes total sense! I looked at the plan I'm thinking of using and it is actually a light(er) weekend as far as training goes. The bike would be short but I guess I could make that up, huh?! Or maybe I should just look at one a little further out as that just seems to be cutting it a bit too close for comfort (for a worry wart like me, that is!) ![]() haha. you want to talk about worry wart. i was beside myself almost a month out. we'll be here for you though. i'm not sure what you mean by "make up for that". what plan are you thinking of using. Thanks! ![]() ok. now that i see it, i'd rock the sprint. you are off the 14th. long ride on the 15th, off 16th and 17th. the week of the 17th is the first week of taper leading into Honu. that should be FUN! keep the beer cold i might show up. edit. it looks like the sprint is the first tri of the year. so kinda the same thing i'm doing with the OLY / HIM. Yeah it's the first big one and it was supposed to be my first one ever last year but it turned into a duathlon since the jelly fish made an appearance and I took 1st in my AG so I would love to do it again! *The cooler will be waiting* ![]() |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() SSMinnow - 2009-12-16 3:59 AMOk people the day has arrived....who is racing this weekend? and what are your goals? Suzy I am so happy for you and proud of you and your swimming! 500TT today in 10:12, wow! For me, 2009 was the year where I took 52 minutes off of my first Olympic, 15 of that on the swim (it helped to be swimming freestyle the whole time and not floating around on my back trying to stay out of the way of the kayaks!). I completed my first HIM, including no back floating on the swim, and actually had a great bike and a decent run on a very hot day. Mostly though I am proud of myself for staying consistent with training since last December, giving in to the idea of a coach back in August and then actually following through and hiring a coach who I feel was instrumental in helping me to achieve my goals of my best marathon ever without getting injured. For me, it was really good to let go of control of every aspect of my training, partly from a time management aspect but I did train harder and more efficiently than I ever would have on my own. I guess what I am saying is that I'm glad I decided I was worth it! I am looking forward to 2010! For those who are new, I am the official cheerleader for all of you and post a question like this every Wednesday to get us excited for the upcoming weekend! It dawned on me, the racing might be subsiding a bit for some of us, so how about a new question for the week? What is the one thing you are most proud of in your '09 triathlon season and why? if you haven't done a tri yet, what are you most proud of accomplishing athletically? For me, it's hands down learning how to swim well enough to complete a HIM. After never learning as a child because I was very scared of the water and the nearly drowning in Hawaii on my honeymoon 19 years ago, it is the single hardest/most humiliating thing I have ever done and by far the most rewarding. While I am slower than a turtle on land, I could swim forever (ok maybe not that long) and that is amazingly gratifying for this land lover. Suzy |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() In response to SUZY's question ... what are you most proud of in 2009 season: Last October (16th to be exact), I told my wife I wanted to do a HIM. I knew that would be a stretch, since I literally had never run over a mile in my life, and I did not know how to technically swim at all. Maybe could swim 50 yards. When I made the commitment, I really had no idea that I could stick with the training and get it done. My goal was not to be a triathlete, but just train for the race to say I did it. I DID IT. 6hrs and 27 min. The running sucked. Something amazing has happened, and now I am hooked on this stuff. I don't know if it is really the training or the races or just the cool people you meet along the way. (excuse me while I wipe the tear off my face) ![]() |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() AF_SGT - 2009-12-16 5:06 PM WOW!!! This thread moves FAST! I miss one day, and we hit 20 pages....how am I supposed to keep up with your guys? If this is any indication of how fast you all are in a race, I'm gonaa get left far, far behind ![]() BTW I am very grateful for the responses on gearing. It gives me alot to think about, and may explain why my run times were so aweful in my races. On another note, my planned 2010 races are:
There may be one more in Aug/Sep, but it depends on whether I have to move again. Oh don't worry - many of us talk faster than we race! |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Jeepguy2358 - 2009-12-16 5:08 PM Hey everyone. I'm back! I've spent the past three weeks studying for an advance PGA Certification and just finished it with by passing a couple tests today! I am now a PGA Certified Professional. There are only 2% of the PGA professionals in the world that have my credetials now. Hope everyone is doing well. I just wanted to check in and let everyone know I am still alive. I'll check things out and get back into the swing of things over the next couple of days. Hope everyone is well! I'll post my bio when I get a few seconds! Huge congratulations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now you can get back to the important stuff like posting here and training. ;-) |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Happychick - 2009-12-16 6:03 PM IF I decide to do my first HIM next year, should I skip my planned tri that is 3 weeks before hand? I really want to do it (can choose either sprint or oly) but I don't know how that would fit in with training. Any thoughts? Seems to me like the sprint would be a good training brick. You probably just need to decide how much effort you should put out then stick to that plan. |
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