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2013-04-08 2:51 PM
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amd723 - 2013-04-08 3:29 PM

So, if you read my race report you know I could not keep my heart rate down on the run. Figured it was from out biking my bike fitness ( and probably being fatigued from my horrible swim), then I ran across this post in ST

Re: Imploding on the run--help [31CapeHorn] - NEW [In reply to] Quote | ReplyExpectations - within 10% of your open half marathon time is a good split at half iron.

Fatigue mode, HR too high for a given effort or spiking whenever you run is a dehydration / heat issue. For early season half and full iron races it is difficult to get in the heat training to do well. You need to do these crazy overdressed rides and runs and trainer stuff to get the heat exposre.

Calories, LOW hr for a given effort is an indicator of not enough calories. Maybe that is what happened at the Augusta race. A rule of thumb is 1.75 calories per pound of body weight per hour on the ride and 1.25 on the run.

The poster is a doctor, I believe. Anyway, based upon this post, my issue was I was in fatigue mode and dehydrated. I usually finish sprints well under 2 hours and, as such, give little thought to hydration; but this was in between a sprint and oly and took over 2 hours; so I guess I paid for my haphazard hydration plan. I did drink on the bike, but had at least 1/2 a bottle left . Also, like many places, we had a weird winter and yesterday was the hottest weather I worked out in for some time, so I should have accounted for that too.

Can't say I've ever noticed having too low a heart rate, so I guess my nutrition plans are ok. Anyway, I found the information interesting and thought I'd share in case anyone else has those kinds of issues. Food for thought - at least for me

I'm glad that you got this figured out. 

How are you feeling today?  Didn't you say that you had tonsil issues over the weekend?



2013-04-08 2:53 PM
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Artemis - 2013-04-08 2:22 PM My bike auctions end at 4 PM (eastern) today...work is not productive when you keep refreshing eBay.

This is soooo cool! Good Luck, I hope they are going well.

About 2/3 the price of the new bike...15 minutes to go...keep bidding, eBayers!!

Wow! 2/3? That's pretty awesome. Do you have a pic of the new bike taped to your computer screen? Laughing

2013-04-08 3:14 PM
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Artemis - 2013-04-08 2:22 PM My bike auctions end at 4 PM (eastern) today...work is not productive when you keep refreshing eBay.

This is soooo cool! Good Luck, I hope they are going well.

About 2/3 the price of the new bike...15 minutes to go...keep bidding, eBayers!!

Wow! 2/3? That's pretty awesome. Do you have a pic of the new bike taped to your computer screen? Laughing

lol....I totally do.  Posting here again just for posterity. 

new bike

2013-04-08 3:15 PM
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They're closed!  Made it to 72.694% of the new bike price (before fees).  I'd be lying if I said I wasn't hoping for more, BUT this is great!  I think I'll probably end up paying about $1,000 or less.  That's assuming everyone pays for their auctions, etc. etc. of course.
2013-04-08 3:32 PM
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Artemis - 2013-04-08 3:15 PMThey're closed!  Made it to 72.694% of the new bike price (before fees).  I'd be lying if I said I wasn't hoping for more, BUT this is great!  I think I'll probably end up paying about $1,000 or less.  That's assuming everyone pays for their auctions, etc. etc. of course.
That's great!
2013-04-08 3:33 PM
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jmkizer - 2013-04-08 2:51 PM
amd723 - 2013-04-08 3:29 PM

So, if you read my race report you know I could not keep my heart rate down on the run. Figured it was from out biking my bike fitness ( and probably being fatigued from my horrible swim), then I ran across this post in ST

Re: Imploding on the run--help [31CapeHorn] - NEW [In reply to] Quote | ReplyExpectations - within 10% of your open half marathon time is a good split at half iron.

Fatigue mode, HR too high for a given effort or spiking whenever you run is a dehydration / heat issue. For early season half and full iron races it is difficult to get in the heat training to do well. You need to do these crazy overdressed rides and runs and trainer stuff to get the heat exposre.

Calories, LOW hr for a given effort is an indicator of not enough calories. Maybe that is what happened at the Augusta race. A rule of thumb is 1.75 calories per pound of body weight per hour on the ride and 1.25 on the run.

The poster is a doctor, I believe. Anyway, based upon this post, my issue was I was in fatigue mode and dehydrated. I usually finish sprints well under 2 hours and, as such, give little thought to hydration; but this was in between a sprint and oly and took over 2 hours; so I guess I paid for my haphazard hydration plan. I did drink on the bike, but had at least 1/2 a bottle left . Also, like many places, we had a weird winter and yesterday was the hottest weather I worked out in for some time, so I should have accounted for that too.

Can't say I've ever noticed having too low a heart rate, so I guess my nutrition plans are ok. Anyway, I found the information interesting and thought I'd share in case anyone else has those kinds of issues. Food for thought - at least for me

I'm glad that you got this figured out. 

How are you feeling today?  Didn't you say that you had tonsil issues over the weekend?

Yeah, tonsils are swollen and I'm a little under the weather today. I'm not feeling any ill effects from the race though.


2013-04-08 3:47 PM
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I've been wanting something to store/display my medals, and found this today:

Display for medals - race bling

Got it in purple...I'm thinking I will bedazzle it myself (rhinestones on the letters, for sure) when it comes in, to real give it that "bling" feel!

2013-04-08 3:49 PM
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Richardsdrr - 2013-04-06 9:03 PM I've had a week of training PBs, which is nice. Started off the week by breaking both my 10 km and my HM Bests whilst on a long run, sweet, then, this mornings run gave me a new 5 km pb and have knocked off another 1 min 7 secs to bring me under 25 min barrier on ,y way to my sub 20 target . I am reading the JD book u recommended Salty, and so far, I'm liking it. I am already going to apply one of the teachings from it. That is, I'm gonna train at the current stress level for the next 6 weeks rather than raising the bar each time I pb. Hopefully reduce the risk of injury/burn out. Good luck to all the racing manatees out there this weekend, not that you'll need it. You've done the training, now reap the rewards.

Nice training! I'm going to try that someday.

Nah, all the best naturally talented athletes just wing it - well known fact.



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Question - is it ok to go for an easy run today? I'm still feeling some soreness (mostly quads and some front knee irritation) from the HM yesterday, but it's GORGEOUS out today - spring has finally come to Massachusetts.  Or should I just go for a nice walk?
2013-04-08 4:06 PM
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ArielLIlB - 2013-04-08 2:47 PM

I've been wanting something to store/display my medals, and found this today:

Display for medals - race bling

Got it in purple...I'm thinking I will bedazzle it myself (rhinestones on the letters, for sure) when it comes in, to real give it that "bling" feel!

This guy was at Oceanside and had some really need pieces of yard art and display racks and hooks.

ETA:better link



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Artemis - 2013-04-08 1:14 PM
4agoodlife - 2013-04-08 3:53 PM
Artemis - 2013-04-08 12:45 PM
cdban66 - 2013-04-08 2:50 PM

Artemis - 2013-04-08 2:22 PM My bike auctions end at 4 PM (eastern) today...work is not productive when you keep refreshing eBay.

This is soooo cool! Good Luck, I hope they are going well.

About 2/3 the price of the new bike...15 minutes to go...keep bidding, eBayers!!

Wow! 2/3? That's pretty awesome. Do you have a pic of the new bike taped to your computer screen? Laughing

lol....I totally do.  Posting here again just for posterity. 

new bike

oooooh! I like!  Not too manly, not too girly...just right IMHO Cool



2013-04-08 4:16 PM
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ArielLIlB - 2013-04-08 1:51 PM Question - is it ok to go for an easy run today? I'm still feeling some soreness (mostly quads and some front knee irritation) from the HM yesterday, but it's GORGEOUS out today - spring has finally come to Massachusetts.  Or should I just go for a nice walk?

Question- Do you FEEL like going for an easy run today? lol 

I didn't run the day after my HM, but I did go for an easy ride. I'm sure my quads told me something like, "Stretch me and warm me up, but for the love of everything decent in this world, DO NOT POUND ON ME YET!" I know, they were wusses.

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And I never got around to posting in the bike image gallery, but here is a photo of my bike (it's from the web - not my actual bike).  It is a good entry level road bike with shimano components - has treated me well my first season, can't believe season 2 is gearing up!

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4agoodlife - 2013-04-08 5:16 PM

ArielLIlB - 2013-04-08 1:51 PM Question - is it ok to go for an easy run today? I'm still feeling some soreness (mostly quads and some front knee irritation) from the HM yesterday, but it's GORGEOUS out today - spring has finally come to Massachusetts.  Or should I just go for a nice walk?

Question- Do you FEEL like going for an easy run today? lol 

I didn't run the day after my HM, but I did go for an easy ride. I'm sure my quads told me something like, "Stretch me and warm me up, but for the love of everything decent in this world, DO NOT POUND ON ME YET!" I know, they were wusses.

Yeah, I have a feeling that is where my knees are at on the issue!

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ArielLIlB - 2013-04-08 1:51 PM Question - is it ok to go for an easy run today? I'm still feeling some soreness (mostly quads and some front knee irritation) from the HM yesterday, but it's GORGEOUS out today - spring has finally come to Massachusetts.  Or should I just go for a nice walk?

Question- Do you FEEL like going for an easy run today? lol 

I didn't run the day after my HM, but I did go for an easy ride. I'm sure my quads told me something like, "Stretch me and warm me up, but for the love of everything decent in this world, DO NOT POUND ON ME YET!" I know, they were wusses.

Yeah, I have a feeling that is where my knees are at on the issue!

Hal higdon says after a HM all you need is a few days of rest or easy jogging before getting back at it. So, if you want to do an easy jog, tell your wuss knees to HTFU!
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ArielLIlB - 2013-04-08 4:51 PM Question - is it ok to go for an easy run today? I'm still feeling some soreness (mostly quads and some front knee irritation) from the HM yesterday, but it's GORGEOUS out today - spring has finally come to Massachusetts.  Or should I just go for a nice walk?

Wow, it's super nice here, but I have no desire to walk around on my sore knees!  My soft tissues are telling me to take it easy for a couple days!  I wonder if I'll make the masters swim tomorrow...



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I know I can't be the only person that starts writing my race report in my head before the event is over, right?

I'm like, oh man, I hope I remember that for the race report!

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ArielLIlB - 2013-04-08 4:51 PM Question - is it ok to go for an easy run today? I'm still feeling some soreness (mostly quads and some front knee irritation) from the HM yesterday, but it's GORGEOUS out today - spring has finally come to Massachusetts.  Or should I just go for a nice walk?

I would go for it and see how it feels.  It you end up being really sore, slow down to walking.

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ArielLIlB - 2013-04-08 5:18 PM

And I never got around to posting in the bike image gallery, but here is a photo of my bike (it's from the web - not my actual bike).  It is a good entry level road bike with shimano components - has treated me well my first season, can't believe season 2 is gearing up!

Ooh...I like the red and white!

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ponderingfox - 2013-04-08 5:58 PM

I know I can't be the only person that starts writing my race report in my head before the event is over, right?

I'm like, oh man, I hope I remember that for the race report!

Nope. I totally write it in my head during the race.  It's always way better there than it actually is because I end up forgetting half the things I want to say!

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Artemis - 2013-04-08 3:02 PM
ponderingfox - 2013-04-08 5:58 PM

I know I can't be the only person that starts writing my race report in my head before the event is over, right?

I'm like, oh man, I hope I remember that for the race report!

Nope. I totally write it in my head during the race.  It's always way better there than it actually is because I end up forgetting half the things I want to say!

Ahhhhhh...so the next step is to have a voice-activated ear piece to record a "running" commentary? Laughing 



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Artemis - 2013-04-08 4:02 PM
ponderingfox - 2013-04-08 5:58 PM

I know I can't be the only person that starts writing my race report in my head before the event is over, right?

I'm like, oh man, I hope I remember that for the race report!

Nope. I totally write it in my head during the race.  It's always way better there than it actually is because I end up forgetting half the things I want to say!

Me too!

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ponderingfox - 2013-04-08 5:58 PM

I know I can't be the only person that starts writing my race report in my head before the event is over, right?

I'm like, oh man, I hope I remember that for the race report!

Nope. I totally write it in my head during the race.  It's always way better there than it actually is because I end up forgetting half the things I want to say!

Ahhhhhh...so the next step is to have a voice-activated ear piece to record a "running" commentary? Laughing 

Another necessary piece of tri gear.  The list never ends.

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Just got back from running with my little one in the jog stroller.  Apparently she's getting heavier or my legs were toast from PT this morning because it was hella hard.  I only made it 1.3 miles before I just couldn't keep going.  I guess that's better than nothing, but I was hoping to do more.
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ponderingfox - 2013-04-08 2:50 PM

ArielLIlB - 2013-04-08 4:51 PM Question - is it ok to go for an easy run today? I'm still feeling some soreness (mostly quads and some front knee irritation) from the HM yesterday, but it's GORGEOUS out today - spring has finally come to Massachusetts.  Or should I just go for a nice walk?

Wow, it's super nice here, but I have no desire to walk around on my sore knees!  My soft tissues are telling me to take it easy for a couple days!  I wonder if I'll make the masters swim tomorrow...

I think you'll make masters. I've got a messed up/operated on knee, and haven't needed more than a day or two with lighter exercise to recover.

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