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 2009-07-16 11:21 AM in reply to: #2288762 |
Expert 936    Salisbury |  Subject: RE: Enjoy 1st sprint or push to prove a pointjszat - 2009-07-16 8:08 AM What would the point be you are trying to prove exactly? The Ironman title doesnt necessarily mean you are fast, and being faster in a sprint doesnt mean anything in the context of doing an Ironman (i.e. it does not follow that 'I beat an Ironman in a sprint so I bet an Ironman is a cakewalk'- not saying you said that but trying to understand the point). If you do decide to hammer it, at least have the courage to talk some pre-race smack! This is the most important advice IMO |
Good luck and hope ya have fun either way!| 2009-07-16 2:10 PM in reply to: #2287991 |
New user 11 | Subject: RE: Enjoy 1st sprint or push to prove a point Thanks to all for your comments. It is the same exact race the other guy has run, he's been a triathlete for 8 years, when he ran his race he was 4 years into it, he had a high speed bike, he had been there done that, yet this is the best time he has ever posted in a sprint (per what he said...not me). My point would be that hey, i am just as good or a better athlete than he is, if i can go out my very first race, with no expierience, no high tech gear (my bike cost me $189...compared to his $5k) to assist in making me faster, go out and run a time just as good or better than him. See he considers himself a better athlete than me because he's an iron man (he's said this...not me), but I dont' think he's a better athlete than me and that is what i'm trying to prove. Kind of the "anything you can do I can do better"..lol |
| 2009-07-16 2:17 PM in reply to: #2289840 |
Champion 10020 , Minnesota Bronze member | Subject: RE: Enjoy 1st sprint or push to prove a point Frankly this probably isn't an argument you'll ever win. If you beat 1:10, he will have an excuse for it (better weather, whatever) or not acknowledge it. You have to do this for yourself or it will be a constant battle. I am less than average triathlete, but I think it's kind of funny that the best he could do with 4 years training, nice bike, etc was a 1:10 at that race. I think even I could get that time! Take pleasure in that. |
| 2009-07-16 2:28 PM in reply to: #2287991 |
Member 381 | Subject: RE: Enjoy 1st sprint or push to prove a point (1) it is not the "exact" same race, unless you are both racing head to head in it. (2) while I do not agree with his point as you have expressed it (he is a better overall athlete because he is an ironman), you beating him in a sprint race does not adress that point. a sprint is not an ironman. after you beat his sprint time, you will be a triathlete, as is he. However, he is still an ironman and you are still not. |
| 2009-07-16 2:40 PM in reply to: #2289840 |
Master 1853 syracuse | Subject: RE: Enjoy 1st sprint or push to prove a point marmick1775 - 2009-07-16 3:10 PM Thanks to all for your comments. It is the same exact race the other guy has run, he's been a triathlete for 8 years, when he ran his race he was 4 years into it, he had a high speed bike, he had been there done that, yet this is the best time he has ever posted in a sprint (per what he said...not me). My point would be that hey, i am just as good or a better athlete than he is, if i can go out my very first race, with no expierience, no high tech gear (my bike cost me $189...compared to his $5k) to assist in making me faster, go out and run a time just as good or better than him. See he considers himself a better athlete than me because he's an iron man (he's said this...not me), but I dont' think he's a better athlete than me and that is what i'm trying to prove. Kind of the "anything you can do I can do better"..lol you should change your user name to Marty McFly. "hello, McFLy!!!" its not the exact same race unless its the exact same race. and unless you have a a Flux Capcitor on your $189 bike, you have zero chance of beating him in your sprint. but go ahead, let us know how it goes..... |
| 2009-07-16 2:40 PM in reply to: #2287991 |
Expert 1099 Bedford, NH | Subject: RE: Enjoy 1st sprint or push to prove a point Why not do both? I had my first race last weekend, it was International distance, but I busted my butt and still had a blast! If you're a former marine you probably enjoy pushing yourself. I'm not a former marine, but I do like pushing yourself and I think it should be possible for you to get the best of both worlds. As for your time goal, really depends on the course, but that sounds extremely doable. Good luck! |
| 2009-07-16 2:57 PM in reply to: #2289840 |
Pro 3906 Libertyville, IL | Subject: RE: Enjoy 1st sprint or push to prove a point marmick1775 - 2009-07-16 2:10 PM Thanks to all for your comments. It is the same exact race the other guy has run, he's been a triathlete for 8 years, when he ran his race he was 4 years into it, he had a high speed bike, he had been there done that, yet this is the best time he has ever posted in a sprint (per what he said...not me). My point would be that hey, i am just as good or a better athlete than he is, if i can go out my very first race, with no expierience, no high tech gear (my bike cost me $189...compared to his $5k) to assist in making me faster, go out and run a time just as good or better than him. See he considers himself a better athlete than me because he's an iron man (he's said this...not me), but I dont' think he's a better athlete than me and that is what i'm trying to prove. Kind of the "anything you can do I can do better"..lol Taking in all this extra information, i politely disagree with the 'same race, same day' arguments as this goes beyond the scope of reason. In my eyes, this dude has kicked sand in your face, thrown down the gauntlet, etc, etc, so this goes down to basic dude math. To me, same course + lesser bike + lesser training proves a point in dude context. Again, this is moot unless you proclaim your intent to beat his time before the race. There is little downside here cuz you still have three years and a better bike purchase at your disposal should you fail. Tell him what you intend to do, then believe it, then let the actual race be judge, jury and executioner. As someone else said, those times arent eye popping without knowledge of the course. Good smack, good training and godspeed! |
| 2009-07-16 3:08 PM in reply to: #2287991 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: Enjoy 1st sprint or push to prove a point Very simple solution. Both enter. Both race. Loser buys the beer. Case closed and "point" proven. |
| 2009-07-16 3:40 PM in reply to: #2289840 |
Champion 10471 Dallas, TX | Subject: RE: Enjoy 1st sprint or push to prove a point marmick1775 - 2009-07-16 2:10 PM Thanks to all for your comments. It is the same exact race the other guy has run, he's been a triathlete for 8 years, when he ran his race he was 4 years into it, he had a high speed bike, he had been there done that, yet this is the best time he has ever posted in a sprint (per what he said...not me). My point would be that hey, i am just as good or a better athlete than he is, if i can go out my very first race, with no expierience, no high tech gear (my bike cost me $189...compared to his $5k) to assist in making me faster, go out and run a time just as good or better than him. See he considers himself a better athlete than me because he's an iron man (he's said this...not me), but I dont' think he's a better athlete than me and that is what i'm trying to prove. Kind of the "anything you can do I can do better"..lol Are you two comparing d@cks too? Ball sizes? *Rolls eyes* Look man, he's a better TRIathlete. He is. He is going to be. He's been doing it for 8 years... Ironman or no Ironman... he has been doing it for 8 YEARS. Get over it. Face facts. Just because you can do another sport doesn't mean you can be an amazing triathlete your first race. I might be able to ride a bike for 60 miles... but I can't bench press 100 pounds. !!!!! It's not what I'm trained for. Please... let us know if you beat his time. I'll be curious to see how it turns out. |
| 2009-07-16 3:50 PM in reply to: #2290031 |
| over a barrier | Subject: RE: Enjoy 1st sprint or push to prove a point Daremo - 2009-07-16 3:08 PM Very simple solution. Both enter. Both race. Loser buys the beer. Case closed and "point" proven. ^^^ This is the only way to "beat him" . Some courses even change over the years not to mention the conditions would never be the same. |
| 2009-07-16 4:23 PM in reply to: #2290134 |
Pro 3906 Libertyville, IL | Subject: RE: Enjoy 1st sprint or push to prove a point KSH - 2009-07-16 3:40 PM Look man, he's a better TRIathlete. He is. He is going to be. He's been doing it for 8 years... Ironman or no Ironman... he has been doing it for 8 YEARS. Get over it. Face facts. Just because you can do another sport doesn't mean you can be an amazing triathlete your first race. I might be able to ride a bike for 60 miles... but I can't bench press 100 pounds. !!!!! It's not what I'm trained for. Please... let us know if you beat his time. I'll be curious to see how it turns out. I am curious as to the what entails a better triathlete? Longevity seems to the barometer in your case, but they dont give awards for how many years someone does this right? Its who gets to the line faster. So, assuming OP gets a tri done, and becomes a triathlete AND finishes faster, when, if ever, does he become a better triathlete? I know folks who started their careers pretty fortunate to start out fast and beat a lot of peeps out there. Are those who have been at it longer than them somehow better triathletes? Just playing devils advocate a bit cuz im bored. |
| 2009-07-16 4:24 PM in reply to: #2290159 |
Champion 7233 | Subject: RE: Enjoy 1st sprint or push to prove a point ok, lets do this, i raced a 1:11 in my last sprint, so lets race, i have *only* been doing this for 4 years. |
| 2009-07-16 4:39 PM in reply to: #2290229 |
Champion 10471 Dallas, TX | Subject: RE: Enjoy 1st sprint or push to prove a point jszat - 2009-07-16 4:23 PM KSH - 2009-07-16 3:40 PM Look man, he's a better TRIathlete. He is. He is going to be. He's been doing it for 8 years... Ironman or no Ironman... he has been doing it for 8 YEARS. Get over it. Face facts. Just because you can do another sport doesn't mean you can be an amazing triathlete your first race. I might be able to ride a bike for 60 miles... but I can't bench press 100 pounds. !!!!! It's not what I'm trained for. Please... let us know if you beat his time. I'll be curious to see how it turns out. I am curious as to the what entails a better triathlete? Longevity seems to the barometer in your case, but they dont give awards for how many years someone does this right? Its who gets to the line faster. So, assuming OP gets a tri done, and becomes a triathlete AND finishes faster, when, if ever, does he become a better triathlete? I know folks who started their careers pretty fortunate to start out fast and beat a lot of peeps out there. Are those who have been at it longer than them somehow better triathletes? Just playing devils advocate a bit cuz im bored. My point is this... here's a guy who hasn't done a tri (right?) who is getting sh@t from some guy who has been doing tri's for 8 years. Yes, I know people who do a tri or two and who are better than I am (Ironman done- been at it this for 4 years). But for the most part... MOST people who start this stuff.. it takes them a little while to get the hang of things and for their body to adapt to the training and racing. If I were going to make a bet... I would want to see both of their times in training for each event. IF I couldn't see their times, I would put my money on the guy who has been doing it longer. Just seems like a safe bet. ??? Finally, I think the guy who has been doing it for 8 years is an @sshole. My boss is talking about doing a tri... and yeah, I bet I can beat him... but there is no way I would say anything like that to him. It's just rude and mean. What his friend SHOULD be doing is giving him tips, and training with him... instead of being an @sshole about the whole thing. |
| 2009-07-16 4:50 PM in reply to: #2290254 |
Champion 7233 | Subject: RE: Enjoy 1st sprint or push to prove a point would be interesting to see this from both of their prespectives;-) |
| 2009-07-16 4:55 PM in reply to: #2288078 |
Champion 8540 the colony texas | Subject: RE: Enjoy 1st sprint or push to prove a point F1longhorn - 2009-07-15 6:24 PM Sure just swim sub 2:00/100yd, bike 20mph, run sub 8:06 min/mile, and spend less than 4:12 in transition. i love math people.... :^) put it on paper then go do it... |
| 2009-07-16 4:55 PM in reply to: #2290277 |
Master 1853 syracuse | Subject: RE: Enjoy 1st sprint or push to prove a point newbz - 2009-07-16 5:50 PM would be interesting to see this from both of their prespectives;-) hahaha X2 |
| 2009-07-16 5:20 PM in reply to: #2290288 |
Champion 7233 | Subject: RE: Enjoy 1st sprint or push to prove a point i really want to race him now, i mean my last spring was in fact 1:11. |
| 2009-07-16 5:40 PM in reply to: #2290340 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: Enjoy 1st sprint or push to prove a point As I mentioned, so was mine ......... (1:10:XX). ;-P |
| 2009-07-16 5:48 PM in reply to: #2287991 |
Extreme Veteran 314 | Subject: RE: Enjoy 1st sprint or push to prove a point Short, even for a sprint. If you were a real man you'd sign up for something longer :P All joking aside, hard to say depending on your fitness level, but there is no reason to "just have fun" if you have any sort of competitive spirit in you. Give it your best, don't sandbag, and see what happens. You'll find that the race is much harder than you expected it to be. |
| 2009-07-16 8:43 PM in reply to: #2287991 |
| Member 195 Akron, OH | Subject: RE: Enjoy 1st sprint or push to prove a point I completely understand and ascribe to this "guy logic" Said Ironman claims to be a better athlete than me. I believe I'm a better athlete than him. Posting a better time at the same distance he did with less training and lesser equipment proves my point, because, should I decide to set my mind to an Iron distance race, I'm now quite confident that I can best him there too!! Guy logic, pure and simple. Got an email from one of our group the day before our first sprint earlier this spring. Something like... it's not really a race, just go out there and have fun... My response was BS! if they are timing it, it's a RACE. I enjoy races by racing them. How can you enjoy a race if you aren't racing?? Don't get that. Racing can mean trying to beat someone else, trying to PR, trying to do the best you can do, etc. Just finishing isn't racing, for me at least. Edited by dscottmd 2009-07-16 8:48 PM |
| 2009-07-16 9:35 PM in reply to: #2290134 |
Master 1690 Metro NY Area | Subject: RE: Enjoy 1st sprint or push to prove a point I concur! Testosterone overload here.  KSH - 2009-07-16 4:40 PM Are you two comparing d@cks too? Ball sizes? *Rolls eyes* Look man, he's a better TRIathlete. He is. He is going to be. He's been doing it for 8 years... Ironman or no Ironman... he has been doing it for 8 YEARS. Get over it. Face facts. Just because you can do another sport doesn't mean you can be an amazing triathlete your first race. I might be able to ride a bike for 60 miles... but I can't bench press 100 pounds. !!!!! It's not what I'm trained for. Please... let us know if you beat his time. I'll be curious to see how it turns out. |
| 2009-07-16 9:47 PM in reply to: #2290159 |
| Subject: RE: Enjoy 1st sprint or push to prove a point running2far - 2009-07-16 1:50 PM Daremo - 2009-07-16 3:08 PM Very simple solution. Both enter. Both race. Loser buys the beer. Case closed and "point" proven. ^^^ This is the only way to "beat him" . Some courses even change over the years not to mention the conditions would never be the same. X whatever. I love a good smackdown between buddies. But unless you go head to head it's absolutely meaningless. You won't have bested him until you cross the finish line before he does. IMO |
| 2009-07-16 9:54 PM in reply to: #2288041 |
| Veteran 294 Boston | Subject: RE: Enjoy 1st sprint or push to prove a point I think that's definitely do able. But, keep in mind this is your first triathlon and you could definitely run into a problem that you didn't anticipate, whether equipment-related or physically-related. Just be prepared to not hit under 1:10 in the probably unlikely case that you don't, and be sure that you can be ok with that. If you don't beat his time, take it like a man and don't make excuses. And then hit 1:05 in your next sprint.  |
| 2009-07-16 9:56 PM in reply to: #2287991 |
Champion 8540 the colony texas | Subject: RE: Enjoy 1st sprint or push to prove a point need advice guys... I have this co-worker that just starting training for a tri.. and the guy is consumed with beating my time in a sprint from a few years ago.. I don't have the heart to tell him I raced it on a single speed mountain bike after a night of drinking since I lost a bet. I mean come on, I realize it must be tough when he walks in my office and sees the IRONMAN!!!! finishers photo that I blew up to life size (ok I admit I added a little extra bulge in my shorts). he has to see my IRONMAN coffee mug, shirt, tie, tie clip, screen saver, mouse pad, plaque, shot glass, extra warm up jacket that i keep at work and the finishers medal that I make every one bow to. But I'm not the one going overboard about this... My sprint was a half mile swim into white water type current, the bike was all uphill and the run was a low crawl exercise over serpentine wire. Did I mention that I did it on a unicycle while still doing tequlia shots as my only nutrition for that day, with no aero bottle Please this young buck thinks that by beating my time it will prove something... I just dont' have the heart to tell him that he already is a better athlete than me, Crap the guy is a former Marine,,, how cool is that,, I couldn't have done a tenth of the stuff he has been through most likely,, and lets face it I only joke with him to hide my insecurities or that's what my therapist tells me,, but crap what does she know, she can't break wind, let alone 2:10 on any Oly course. I only see her because of that silly court order when that driver didn't allow me to cut across four lanes of stopped traffic,, but in my defense I was doing a corking LT test.. you think I'm going to stop for some taco bell eating loser.. anger issue my left ****.. crap Lance doesnt' even have the pair I do .. stupid judge probably rides with his seat to high anyway so anyway what should I tell this guy, I really want him to enjoy the race,, do well, (it's not like he's beating me anyway) and maybe I can get a good training partner or at least turn someone one to this cool sport.. any help guys PINK Font rocks my studly man side Edited by Gaarryy 2009-07-16 10:02 PM |
| 2009-07-16 11:55 PM in reply to: #2290741 |
Champion 7233 | Subject: RE: Enjoy 1st sprint or push to prove a point Gaarryy - 2009-07-16 8:56 PM need advice guys... I have this co-worker that just starting training for a tri.. and the guy is consumed with beating my time in a sprint from a few years ago.. I don't have the heart to tell him I raced it on a single speed mountain bike after a night of drinking since I lost a bet. I mean come on, I realize it must be tough when he walks in my office and sees the IRONMAN!!!! finishers photo that I blew up to life size (ok I admit I added a little extra bulge in my shorts). he has to see my IRONMAN coffee mug, shirt, tie, tie clip, screen saver, mouse pad, plaque, shot glass, extra warm up jacket that i keep at work and the finishers medal that I make every one bow to. But I'm not the one going overboard about this... My sprint was a half mile swim into white water type current, the bike was all uphill and the run was a low crawl exercise over serpentine wire. Did I mention that I did it on a unicycle while still doing tequlia shots as my only nutrition for that day, with no aero bottle Please this young buck thinks that by beating my time it will prove something... I just dont' have the heart to tell him that he already is a better athlete than me, Crap the guy is a former Marine,,, how cool is that,, I couldn't have done a tenth of the stuff he has been through most likely,, and lets face it I only joke with him to hide my insecurities or that's what my therapist tells me,, but crap what does she know, she can't break wind, let alone 2:10 on any Oly course. I only see her because of that silly court order when that driver didn't allow me to cut across four lanes of stopped traffic,, but in my defense I was doing a corking LT test.. you think I'm going to stop for some taco bell eating loser.. anger issue my left ****.. crap Lance doesnt' even have the pair I do .. stupid judge probably rides with his seat to high anyway so anyway what should I tell this guy, I really want him to enjoy the race,, do well, (it's not like he's beating me anyway) and maybe I can get a good training partner or at least turn someone one to this cool sport.. any help guys PINK Font rocks my studly man side BEST.......POST.........EVER |
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