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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I would be beyond angry. I think the post above that speaks to how little the neighbor respects YOUR marriage hits it on the head. If you play this through to how your neighbor would like to see things go, count the number of people that are crushed by the potential fallout and tell me that isn't a catastrophically damaging situation. Your neighbor is playing with gasoline and a lighted match with both spouses and all children in the blast zone. I can understand your awkward feeling at the time but how you described it has left it wide open in his mind. He needs to know that you will never be an option. Not knowing his personality makes it hard to comment on the best approach but your husband should be part of a discussion on how to resolve it. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() To me this is more about you than him. If you are uncomfortable you have to tell him. Period. You were already uncomfortable with his flirting because you adjusted your workout schedule, but you didn't say anything. You need to stand up for yourself. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I agree with everyone else EXCEPT with the part about telling his wife. Speak with him using very direct terms, scare him a bit if you have to, but also give him an "out" - a chance to amend his bad behavior. Also, tell your husband, definitely. Once you tell the guy's wife, though, the whole thing blows up into a BIG DEAL for everyone involved-- you, your husband, him and his wife. Unless you know for sure he is cheating on her, stay out of it after your talk. Don't make their problems your problems too. |
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![]() | ![]() Tell your husband and decide together what to do. Your neighbor is caught up in lust. Once you disabuse your neighbor of the notion that you will be an object for him, If he doesn't begin to heal from the pull to give into the temptation of lust, |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() scoobysdad - 2012-10-19 2:46 PM I agree with everyone else EXCEPT with the part about telling his wife. Speak with him using very direct terms, scare him a bit if you have to, but also give him an "out" - a chance to amend his bad behavior. Also, tell your husband, definitely. Once you tell the guy's wife, though, the whole thing blows up into a BIG DEAL for everyone involved-- you, your husband, him and his wife. Unless you know for sure he is cheating on her, stay out of it after your talk. Don't make their problems your problems too. Telling his wife is a bad idea. Never works out. Best to just not have that discussion. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() So what happened... |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I wish you all could know just how much the "what happened" and "how did it go" means to me. I thought about posting an update earlier and thought - really - they have better things to read (like the debate on Lance?). So to see the multiple requests was beyond expectations and most appreciated. You all are like the brothers and sisters I don't have (well I have a brother but he removed himself from the family so that's another story for another day) The update: Nothing happened all week. Gave it a LOT of thought and decided against sitting hubby down to tell him what transpired, I left plenty of hints (like the day hubby drove past while I was walking the dog and asked if I wanted to go home with him ![]() Certainly not telling his wife! Kept indoors mostly this week - weather wasn't great and it's getting colder. However, today is Friday, and he had asked about lunch today last week (I told him I'd have to see if I had to work). Frankly, I totatlly forgot about it until I was at work today and went to my car to get my cell which was charging and found 3 texts and a phone call (no message) from him asking if we were still on for lunch. Sent a text back that I was at work (I was honest) he asked about next Friday, I replied "Dan took off next Friday. Haivng lunch with my hubby!" he replied "ok, another day" "maybe in Nov" I didn't reply. I really really don't want any "problems" with my neighbors, they are all really good people. I get that he's going through a rough time in his life/wedded bliss right now, but that's not my problem. Should we have opportunity to speak in person - or I guess text, then I will tell him that I don't think it's appropriate for us to have lunch alone (people will talk?) or that his advances aren't welcome. Trust me, I have NO problem standing up for myself. Your concern was very touching and much appreciated. Lani |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Good luck Lani! The sad part of the story is that you've done nothing wrong here. You've got a mess on your plate to manage with no reason to have it. My mom went through something like this with my Dad's boss. She confided in me and I let her vent about it and empathized with her. She never told Dad and, luckily, the company went bankrupt about 2 moths after the owner came on to her. If she HAD confronted the boss, he would have lost his job and 100% of the income as Mom wasn't working at that time. Even more prickly than a neighbor. |
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Ummm... I realize I may be on the further side of the spectrum on this one but here is my opinion. 1. You absolutely should tell your husband. That is way too much for you to carry around, you will feel much better once you tell him. Also it is the best way for him to find out. Stuff like this always has a way of being found out, the worst is when your husband finds out for himself or someone else tells him. My wife has been in your shoes more than once (unwanted advances from boneheads) the first time she didn't know what to do, I found out myself rather than from her. It hurt me a bit that she felt she couldn't or didn't want to tell me. I was careful to react properly but everything would have been much better had she just told me. It is an opportunity to strengthen your relationship, rather than a risk of weakening it. 2. This guy is way outta line but it sounds like there have been lots of warning signs. Commenting on his bedroom life with his wife??? Telling you how hot you look??? I may be in the minority on this one but even lunch for two sounds a bit weird to me.
It sounds to me like he has been slowly testing you to see how far he can get, how close you can come to making a mistake. It starts with my wife sucks, then you are soo hot, then hey lets grab lunch and then to the kiss. If you don't push back strongly he will get the hint that the kiss was no big deal and it will progress from there, just as planned. His big play was to get you alone, then to ask for a kiss, then you provided an opening and he took it. You are giving him the signs he is looking for. Give him a big red STOP sign right away. He needs to know it is absolutely not okay and he needs to know that your husband knows what happened and is not happy about it. You are a nice person, who so far hasn't shut him down, you are easy to test the waters on so far. Also it can look "inviting" that you have chosen not to involve your husband in what is going on. If he interacts with your husband, he kisses you and then notices no change in your husband's reaction to him he can pretty well guess that you didn't tell him. So now it is your little secret between you and him... NOT GOOD! You need to say NO, I am a team with my husband and anyone who tries to mess with that is not welcome to interact with us. Sounds like your neighbor is a class A douchebag, no need to worry about how it will affect your neighborly relations, you don't need a relationship with him. All that said, in my wife's situation she said the person who had come onto her was the kind of jerk that like to escalate things and was just looking for attention. She said that her responding to him and especially me responding to him (we had never met) would just egg him on. I trusted her judgement and she solved the issue by not responding at all and then completely ignoring his existence the next time they were in the same place (gym). It worked to just ignore things for that situation. But he wasn't our neighbor, it didn't get physical (it was a very inappropriate text) and the most important thing was that I knew about it. He tried once more and the first thing she did was tell me about it. So main point, tell your husband!!! Give him the chance to react well and to strengthen your marriage, don't hide something that can do damage later on. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Excellent points my friend - I did just tell hubby that he asked me to lunch today (and next week) and left it at that because you're right on one hand I did not EVER mean to even slightly indicate it was ok, but I didn't say you crossed the line either. I think I'm in the same boat your wife was in that first time - I don't think I'm unattractive but I'm not one that would turn you're head when I walk by either (IMO) so I'm a bit perplexed by the situation. Oh, it wasn't lunch for 2 - it was for 3 - he was going to bring his 10 month old grandson. Yeah NO! I will not be played by anyone - so for now I'll stay indoors (it's getting cold so it's not a big change) and be sure to draw the line and make clear where it is next opportunity. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() You know, I was thinking why wouldn't you tell your husband? But then I remembered something that happened when my wife and I were still just dating or engaged many years back. We had some pretty good friends that were married, and the wife, a coworker at the time, dropped a not-so-subtle suggestion to me one day. Never told my gf/fiance (whatever she was at that point, I forget). Never mentioned it to anybody, actually, until now. So I can see why you might feel that way. It's an awkward position to be in, esp. when you like (as a friend) the other parties. |
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![]() I'm glad you updated, I was wondering what you decided to do also. I totally understand you're approach. I hate that now you feel uncomfortable running outside in your own neighborhood. That is just wrong. I think it is easy for us all to just point fingers at the guy and call him a jerk but forget that you have been friends for a long time. I hope he gets the hint the easy way and leaves you alone. Best wishes with this situation. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() There are only two issues with your reaction. 1) You are carrying the burden yourself 2) Your neighbor's behavior has caused you to go indoors. His indiscretion should not affect your behavior. You have let him affect your freedom. Confront him and get your freedom back. Tell him that you shared it with your husband. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() wwlani - 2012-10-19 4:32 PM Excellent points my friend - I did just tell hubby that he asked me to lunch today (and next week) and left it at that because you're right on one hand I did not EVER mean to even slightly indicate it was ok, but I didn't say you crossed the line either. I think I'm in the same boat your wife was in that first time - I don't think I'm unattractive but I'm not one that would turn you're head when I walk by either (IMO) so I'm a bit perplexed by the situation. Oh, it wasn't lunch for 2 - it was for 3 - he was going to bring his 10 month old grandson. Yeah NO! I will not be played by anyone - so for now I'll stay indoors (it's getting cold so it's not a big change) and be sure to draw the line and make clear where it is next opportunity. Ya... this is sort of what I was talking about mixed signals. Go nuclear, be clear, do it now. Again, in your head you understand. But from an outside observer.... well I don't know, are you thinking it over? Perhaps maybe sounds good to you. Just sayin". He made a pass at you. You have not told him that was not OK. He is STILL perusing you. You are STILL returning his texts. This is how things get into places we never intended them to get into. I agree with Mike. I don't understand why you have to stay inside and avoid him when you didn't do anything wrong. I get that you still have hope of a quiet calm outcome where nobody get's hurt. I'm sure it has been swept under the rug plenty of times(in the rest of the world) and it tuned out OK. Easy for me to sit behind a key board and suggest going nuclear. I get that.... but he is STILL perusing you. This isn't an occurrence that happened two weeks ago... this is STILL happening. And as far as your husband... no he does not get it. Why in the world would he have a problem with you going to lunch with your neighbor of 13 years? Even if you have not done so before. Maybe he thinks he might need some help with something? Why would you "drop hints" for him to get it, but not just flat out tell him? You could leave him wondering what the heck is going on, or if it does get worse and you do tell him he is going to feel like a smuck you did not tell him sooner, or that you left him festering over it. Hope it get's worked out. But he will CONTINUE to pursue you until you do something about it. |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() powerman - 2012-10-20 8:56 AM wwlani - 2012-10-19 4:32 PM Excellent points my friend - I did just tell hubby that he asked me to lunch today (and next week) and left it at that because you're right on one hand I did not EVER mean to even slightly indicate it was ok, but I didn't say you crossed the line either. I think I'm in the same boat your wife was in that first time - I don't think I'm unattractive but I'm not one that would turn you're head when I walk by either (IMO) so I'm a bit perplexed by the situation. Oh, it wasn't lunch for 2 - it was for 3 - he was going to bring his 10 month old grandson. Yeah NO! I will not be played by anyone - so for now I'll stay indoors (it's getting cold so it's not a big change) and be sure to draw the line and make clear where it is next opportunity. Ya... this is sort of what I was talking about mixed signals. Go nuclear, be clear, do it now. Again, in your head you understand. But from an outside observer.... well I don't know, are you thinking it over? Perhaps maybe sounds good to you. Just sayin". He made a pass at you. You have not told him that was not OK. He is STILL perusing you. You are STILL returning his texts. This is how things get into places we never intended them to get into. I agree with Mike. I don't understand why you have to stay inside and avoid him when you didn't do anything wrong. I get that you still have hope of a quiet calm outcome where nobody get's hurt. I'm sure it has been swept under the rug plenty of times(in the rest of the world) and it tuned out OK. Easy for me to sit behind a key board and suggest going nuclear. I get that.... but he is STILL perusing you. This isn't an occurrence that happened two weeks ago... this is STILL happening. And as far as your husband... no he does not get it. Why in the world would he have a problem with you going to lunch with your neighbor of 13 years? Even if you have not done so before. Maybe he thinks he might need some help with something? Why would you "drop hints" for him to get it, but not just flat out tell him? You could leave him wondering what the heck is going on, or if it does get worse and you do tell him he is going to feel like a smuck you did not tell him sooner, or that you left him festering over it. Hope it get's worked out. But he will CONTINUE to pursue you until you do something about it. On that note, guys are really bad at hints. Your neighbor will not get the message, and your husband won't have a clue what's going on unless you just tell them flat out. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() spudone - 2012-10-20 3:44 PM powerman - 2012-10-20 8:56 AM wwlani - 2012-10-19 4:32 PM Excellent points my friend - I did just tell hubby that he asked me to lunch today (and next week) and left it at that because you're right on one hand I did not EVER mean to even slightly indicate it was ok, but I didn't say you crossed the line either. I think I'm in the same boat your wife was in that first time - I don't think I'm unattractive but I'm not one that would turn you're head when I walk by either (IMO) so I'm a bit perplexed by the situation. Oh, it wasn't lunch for 2 - it was for 3 - he was going to bring his 10 month old grandson. Yeah NO! I will not be played by anyone - so for now I'll stay indoors (it's getting cold so it's not a big change) and be sure to draw the line and make clear where it is next opportunity. Ya... this is sort of what I was talking about mixed signals. Go nuclear, be clear, do it now. Again, in your head you understand. But from an outside observer.... well I don't know, are you thinking it over? Perhaps maybe sounds good to you. Just sayin". He made a pass at you. You have not told him that was not OK. He is STILL perusing you. You are STILL returning his texts. This is how things get into places we never intended them to get into. I agree with Mike. I don't understand why you have to stay inside and avoid him when you didn't do anything wrong. I get that you still have hope of a quiet calm outcome where nobody get's hurt. I'm sure it has been swept under the rug plenty of times(in the rest of the world) and it tuned out OK. Easy for me to sit behind a key board and suggest going nuclear. I get that.... but he is STILL perusing you. This isn't an occurrence that happened two weeks ago... this is STILL happening. And as far as your husband... no he does not get it. Why in the world would he have a problem with you going to lunch with your neighbor of 13 years? Even if you have not done so before. Maybe he thinks he might need some help with something? Why would you "drop hints" for him to get it, but not just flat out tell him? You could leave him wondering what the heck is going on, or if it does get worse and you do tell him he is going to feel like a smuck you did not tell him sooner, or that you left him festering over it. Hope it get's worked out. But he will CONTINUE to pursue you until you do something about it. On that note, guys are really bad at hints. Your neighbor will not get the message, and your husband won't have a clue what's going on unless you just tell them flat out. yep. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Before we all became so "enlightened", a wife would tell her husband that a neighbor was making unwanted advances, and the husband would handle it. I'm sure we were all wrong....discussing it forever with no real solution is such a better idea. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Left Brain - 2012-10-21 8:11 PM Before we all became so "enlightened", a wife would tell her husband that a neighbor was making unwanted advances, and the husband would handle it. I'm sure we were all wrong....discussing it forever with no real solution is such a better idea. Someone not take his happy pills today? If you don't want to read - don't I'm sure if we all did what you suggested the world would indeed be a better place. Sorry I forgot to ask your permission before posting or starting a thread - thought of you all as my friends....guess not all are friendly.... I'll be sure to not trouble you again....and yes I am being a wise a** with this reply - like yours was so helpful? |
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Member![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() As other have said. They guy already kissed you and you didn't tell him it was not ok, and you keep texting him. In his mind, you know his intentions and you are ok with them... until he hears "no." |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() wwlani - 2012-10-21 7:14 PM Left Brain - 2012-10-21 8:11 PM Someone not take his happy pills today? If you don't want to read - don't I'm sure if we all did what you suggested the world would indeed be a better place. Sorry I forgot to ask your permission before posting or starting a thread - thought of you all as my friends....guess not all are friendly.... I'll be sure to not trouble you again....and yes I am being a wise a** with this reply - like yours was so helpful?Before we all became so "enlightened", a wife would tell her husband that a neighbor was making unwanted advances, and the husband would handle it. I'm sure we were all wrong....discussing it forever with no real solution is such a better idea. I'm just saying. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Maui - 2012-10-21 8:23 PM As other have said. They guy already kissed you and you didn't tell him it was not ok, and you keep texting him. In his mind, you know his intentions and you are ok with them... until he hears "no." Yes to your first point - I was a bit flaberghasted at the moment 2nd point - he's my neighbor and my son mows his lawn - am I never supposed to speak to or text him again? I was hoping the subtle not interested would be enough (not availalbe for lunch, lunch with hubby next week). Apparently as others have said, being a guy I need to be direct and clear. Will do at first opportunity but will NOT initiate that conversation. And let's be clear I am not initiating the texts And can someone explain to me how this has changed from a what should I do - to why am I defending my position and my actions? Some of you need to be defense attorneys! |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() wwlani - 2012-10-21 7:45 PM Maui - 2012-10-21 8:23 PM As other have said. They guy already kissed you and you didn't tell him it was not ok, and you keep texting him. In his mind, you know his intentions and you are ok with them... until he hears "no." Yes to your first point - I was a bit flaberghasted at the moment 2nd point - he's my neighbor and my son mows his lawn - am I never supposed to speak to or text him again? I was hoping the subtle not interested would be enough (not availalbe for lunch, lunch with hubby next week). Apparently as others have said, being a guy I need to be direct and clear. Will do at first opportunity but will NOT initiate that conversation. And let's be clear I am not initiating the texts And can someone explain to me how this has changed from a what should I do - to why am I defending my position and my actions? Some of you need to be defense attorneys! Um.....I'm pretty sure if you go back you will see that the overwhelming advice was to tell your husband....you chose not to. That's cool....but you asked. I would say since you didn't like the answer you are now left to defend your position. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I was referring to the text/no text(communicate) with the neighbor not telling/not telling my husband. THAT is what I feel I am having to defend. That being said other than the 2 or 3 or have been in similiar situations you walk in my shoes then you can judge my decisions. Opinons - glad to hear them - being "scolded" for not following someone's directive - NOT OK. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() wwlani - 2012-10-21 8:07 PM I was referring to the text/no text(communicate) with the neighbor not telling/not telling my husband. THAT is what I feel I am having to defend. That being said other than the 2 or 3 or have been in similiar situations you walk in my shoes then you can judge my decisions. Opinons - glad to hear them - being "scolded" for not following someone's directive - NOT OK. Hey, make no mistake, I don't care what you do. I have made my opinion pretty clear...you need to tell your husband. Do whatever you want, but you sound kind of whiny now...again, just saying. |
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Member![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() wwlani - 2012-10-21 5:45 PM Maui - 2012-10-21 8:23 PM As other have said. They guy already kissed you and you didn't tell him it was not ok, and you keep texting him. In his mind, you know his intentions and you are ok with them... until he hears "no." Yes to your first point - I was a bit flaberghasted at the moment 2nd point - he's my neighbor and my son mows his lawn - am I never supposed to speak to or text him again? I was hoping the subtle not interested would be enough (not availalbe for lunch, lunch with hubby next week). Apparently as others have said, being a guy I need to be direct and clear. Will do at first opportunity but will NOT initiate that conversation. And let's be clear I am not initiating the texts And can someone explain to me how this has changed from a what should I do - to why am I defending my position and my actions? Some of you need to be defense attorneys! I guess it didn't come out the way I intended. None of this is your fault. What I was trying to say is that "IN HIS MIND you haven't said "NO"" So, "IN HIS MIND you are ok with what he did". You don't have to severe any contact with your neighbor(s), just be clear; that's it. |
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