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 2016-03-23 9:45 PM in reply to: mike761 |
Expert  2355    Madison, Wisconsin |  Subject: RE: Post your last swim workout8x25 R:5 every 4th fast 6x25 R:5 every 3rd fast 4x25 R:10 every 2nd fast 2x25 R:15 all fast 2 Rounds {8x100 on 1:25 B,P 5x100 Easy} 8x25 Best effort on :40 |
| 2016-03-23 9:49 PM in reply to: jasonwb |
Master 8248  Eugene, Oregon Bronze member | Subject: RE: Post your last swim workout I know it sounds silly but it is part of the agreement with a lot of coaches. It has to do with the fact that the coach is being paid to make up those workouts for the athlete and not for the general public, not the athlete keeping the workout "top secret" so competitors don't steal their training secrets! My coach has the same request. Thus I have not shared here, and there is only a general description (totals and what kind of sets) in my log. It's not because I'm secretive; I've signed an agreement not to share the details or verbatim workouts. |
| 2016-03-24 3:41 PM in reply to: mike761 |
1502 Katy, Texas | Subject: RE: Post your last swim workout Today's swim was courtesy of dmiller. Awesome workout. Challenging but possible with steady pacing. 3,700 meters (SCM pool) 300m WU easy 6 X 250m on 4:00 broken 50/200 50 on 0:45 / 200 on 3:15 50 on 0:50 / 200 on 3:10 50 on 0:55 / 200 on 3:05 50 on 1:00 / 200 on 3:00 50 on 1:05 / 200 on 2:55 50 on 1:10 / 200 on 2:50 2 minute break 200m easy pull with paddles 6 X 250m on 4:00 broken 50/200 opposite order as first set 200 easy pull with paddles |
| 2016-03-24 4:02 PM in reply to: 3mar |
Member 667 | Subject: RE: Post your last swim workout 3x1k 1k swim r:20 1k pull r20 1k band Next workout was with my coach and a few others. The workout included a 400 and 200 TT. Then, a few hours after that I got bit by my cat and haven't been able to swim since then. :pout: |
| 2016-03-26 2:04 PM in reply to: fortissimo |
Veteran 2297 Great White North | Subject: RE: Post your last swim workout 300 swim (100 Fr/50 Bk) 6x50 kick dolphin kick on back @ 60 100 easy 4x25 @ 25 free 50 easy 4x25 fly @ 30 50 easy 4x25 fly @ 30 100 easy 150 fly for time 1:40 150 easy 4x100 pull @ 1:25 (1.09s) 16x25 free @ 25 100 easy 4x25 easy / fast no breathing 100 easy 2600 m |
| 2016-03-26 10:15 PM in reply to: jasonwb |
Master 3888 Overland Park, KS | Subject: RE: Post your last swim workout I was out of town for a week, got back yesterday mid-day, first swim in over a week so decided to keep is simple: 3250 SCY Total Warmup: 300 swim, 200 kick, 350 pull w/paddles Main: 500 nonstop alternating breast/back by 100's 100 EZ 15x100 @ 1:40 300 Cool Down |
| 2016-03-26 11:07 PM in reply to: 0 |
Expert 2355 Madison, Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Post your last swim workout Interesting.... From my 7 years in the sport I have never come across this. Not saying it is bad, egotistical, or anything of the sort....just never heard of it, maybe giving credit to the coach. I know that my coach doesn't care at all, he actually likes it since it drums up discussion and gives him exposure. I find it even more interesting in this day and age with social media to have that clause in a contract. Everyone posts their workouts in their social apps, many pros give out several of their workouts as well, everyone chats what they are doing. Look at my w/u in the set I posted. That is a classic Bret Sutton set condensed down into a w/u that pretty much everyone in triathlon has done. Coaches from the olympic level down to the age group level have used that set. That all said one workout won't give away anything really, its how the workout is structured within the program. Edited by bcagle25 2016-03-26 11:09 PM |
| 2016-03-27 8:22 AM in reply to: bcagle25 |
Pro 6011 Camp Hill, Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: Post your last swim workout Originally posted by bcagle25 Interesting.... From my 7 years in the sport I have never come across this. Not saying it is bad, egotistical, or anything of the sort....just never heard of it, maybe giving credit to the coach. I know that my coach doesn't care at all, he actually likes it since it drums up discussion and gives him exposure. I find it even more interesting in this day and age with social media to have that clause in a contract. Everyone posts their workouts in their social apps, many pros give out several of their workouts as well, everyone chats what they are doing. Look at my w/u in the set I posted. That is a classic Bret Sutton set condensed down into a w/u that pretty much everyone in triathlon has done. Coaches from the olympic level down to the age group level have used that set. That all said one workout won't give away anything really, its how the workout is structured within the program. I agree. Most coaches are fine with their athletes occasionally sharing training sessions, and even encourage it. The details of individual training sessions are such a small part of the value a good coach provides. Whenever a coach gets weird about an athlete sharing individual sessions (and promoting the coach's services!), it makes me shrug and think that there's someone who's either paranoid, insecure, or doesn't understand where their value lies.
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| 2016-03-27 9:00 AM in reply to: #5173435 |
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| 2016-03-27 1:59 PM in reply to: MMW37 |
| 1502 Katy, Texas | Subject: RE: Post your last swim workout 2,300 meters 500 meter WU 100 UDK w/ flippers 100 Kick w kickboard 100 UDK w/ flippers 100 Kick w kickboard 100 UDK w/ flippers 10 x 100m repeat on 1:30 300 pull with paddles and pull buoy CD |
| 2016-03-27 7:34 PM in reply to: TriMyBest |
| 928 | Subject: RE: Post your last swim workout Originally posted by TriMyBest Originally posted by bcagle25 Interesting.... From my 7 years in the sport I have never come across this. Not saying it is bad, egotistical, or anything of the sort....just never heard of it, maybe giving credit to the coach. I know that my coach doesn't care at all, he actually likes it since it drums up discussion and gives him exposure. I find it even more interesting in this day and age with social media to have that clause in a contract. Everyone posts their workouts in their social apps, many pros give out several of their workouts as well, everyone chats what they are doing. Look at my w/u in the set I posted. That is a classic Bret Sutton set condensed down into a w/u that pretty much everyone in triathlon has done. Coaches from the olympic level down to the age group level have used that set. That all said one workout won't give away anything really, its how the workout is structured within the program. I agree. Most coaches are fine with their athletes occasionally sharing training sessions, and even encourage it. The details of individual training sessions are such a small part of the value a good coach provides. Whenever a coach gets weird about an athlete sharing individual sessions (and promoting the coach's services!), it makes me shrug and think that there's someone who's either paranoid, insecure, or doesn't understand where their value lies.
I was thinking the same thing! |
| 2016-03-28 11:08 AM in reply to: mike761 |
Expert 2852 Pfafftown, NC | Subject: RE: Post your last swim workout |
| 2016-03-28 2:32 PM in reply to: nc452010 |
Master 2429 Falls Church, Virginia | Subject: RE: Post your last swim workout 2200 SCY 500 warm up (200 swim/50 kick, repeat) 300 pull (3/5 breathe by 50) 2x [4x50 kick :20 200 pull smooth :30] 100 recovery 400 swim (RACE!) 100 cool down |
| 2016-03-28 3:13 PM in reply to: jennifer_runs |
Extreme Veteran 669 Olathe, Kansas | Subject: RE: Post your last swim workout I don't normally chime in here, mostly read. I coached swimming for living at a point not long ago. I was required to obtain certification level and CEs over that period. What immediately struck me, watching countless webinars and clinics, how much these very experienced coaches shared with public and among themselves. We are talking Bob Bowman, Dave Durden, Dave Salo, Bruce Gemmell.......For those of you that know swimming, you know these names. I named just a few. All it takes for you all to scoot over to USA Swimming website, online education section, webinars galore, all for free, several years worth. Knowledge sharing within USA Swimming and ASCA has been immense driver of our sport's success on international scene. We are a superpower in swimming. Everybody shares relentlessly. Development of Katie Ladecky, Kevin Cordes, many others.....all is out there, public domain, you can read almost day by day,season by season what they do. This nonsense of "protecting" the information on training is just plain silly. More so, coming from triathlon coaches that in majority cases know very little to nothing about swimming. There is a reason that our state of triathlon in general is not great. One exception obviously is a very well developed women's ITU squad. The coaches there, share a huge amount. It takes a village to develop a group like that. So all of your coaches should learn to share and not feel insecure about it. The more knowledge is out there, the better for this sport. The sooner we get over that in triathlon the better. This forum has many coaches selflessly sharing their knowledge and experience. Gary Hall is just one of them. Mike from D3......you got some good peeps contributing here. They don't feel insecure sharing. It is good for the sport. |
| 2016-03-28 3:28 PM in reply to: TriMyBest |
Champion 7036 Sarasota, FL | Subject: RE: Post your last swim workout Originally posted by TriMyBest
I agree. Most coaches are fine with their athletes occasionally sharing training sessions, and even encourage it. The details of individual training sessions are such a small part of the value a good coach provides. Whenever a coach gets weird about an athlete sharing individual sessions (and promoting the coach's services!), it makes me shrug and think that there's someone who's either paranoid, insecure, or doesn't understand where their value lies.
There probably aren't many individual drill sets or workouts that are totally unique to a particular coach. Sets of 100's are sets of 100's after all. Many masters workouts are just free-standing alphabet soup stuff. At the same time many coaches construct master plans or strategies for the long-term development of their athletes and/or to prepare them for specific events. This is where I can understand coaches to be reluctant to have their workout plans disseminated publicly on a regular basis. It doesn't mean that they're paranoid or insecure, it may be that they just want to protect their intellectual property. As I mentioned in my earlier post, if a coach is OK with it then fine, no problem. And as you mentioned, many coaches may openly welcome the exposure or implicit endorsement. But at the same time I maintain that you owe them the courtesy of asking prior to widely disseminating workout plans on a regular basis. Coaches deserve the opportunity to monetize their products and services. And conversely, if I'm paying a coach to design my workouts, then I won't appreciate it too much if someone else is getting it for free. Don, as you well know, there is lot of "free" stuff that Terry Laughlin makes available on the TI website, but at the same time you have to pay to get access to other things like videos and other content on the TI Academy site, I don't think Terry would appreciate it if bootleg copies of everything were being circulated freely.. Mark
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| 2016-03-28 3:45 PM in reply to: atasic |
Champion 7036 Sarasota, FL | Subject: RE: Post your last swim workout Originally posted by atasic This nonsense of "protecting" the information on training is just plain silly. More so, coming from triathlon coaches that in majority cases know very little to nothing about swimming. There is a reason that our state of triathlon in general is not great. One exception obviously is a very well developed women's ITU squad. The coaches there, share a huge amount. It takes a village to develop a group like that. So all of your coaches should learn to share and not feel insecure about it. The more knowledge is out there, the better for this sport. The sooner we get over that in triathlon the better. This forum has many coaches selflessly sharing their knowledge and experience. Gary Hall is just one of them. Mike from D3......you got some good peeps contributing here. They don't feel insecure sharing. It is good for the sport. I would certainly agree that an awful lot of "triathlon coaches" don't know squat about swimming. Interesting that you mention Gary Hall. He he makes a lot of his stuff available for free, but a lot of it, like the videos on SwimSwam are just teasers to get you to pay for more in-depth products & services. It's just another way to market. Nothing wrong with it, but he makes his living through coaching and there's no way he's giving everything away for free. Mark |
| 2016-03-28 4:20 PM in reply to: mike761 |
Member 622 Franklin, TN | Subject: RE: Post your last swim workout 2200 scy Warmup (2x200 free w/fins, 4x100 pull) 24x50 free holding 46/47 secs, 20 sec ri 200 pull cd |
| 2016-03-28 4:21 PM in reply to: RedCorvette |
Pro 6011 Camp Hill, Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: Post your last swim workout Originally posted by RedCorvette Originally posted by TriMyBest
I agree. Most coaches are fine with their athletes occasionally sharing training sessions, and even encourage it. The details of individual training sessions are such a small part of the value a good coach provides. Whenever a coach gets weird about an athlete sharing individual sessions (and promoting the coach's services!), it makes me shrug and think that there's someone who's either paranoid, insecure, or doesn't understand where their value lies.
There probably aren't many individual drill sets or workouts that are totally unique to a particular coach. Sets of 100's are sets of 100's after all. Many masters workouts are just free-standing alphabet soup stuff. At the same time many coaches construct master plans or strategies for the long-term development of their athletes and/or to prepare them for specific events. This is where I can understand coaches to be reluctant to have their workout plans disseminated publicly on a regular basis. It doesn't mean that they're paranoid or insecure, it may be that they just want to protect their intellectual property. As I mentioned in my earlier post, if a coach is OK with it then fine, no problem. And as you mentioned, many coaches may openly welcome the exposure or implicit endorsement. But at the same time I maintain that you owe them the courtesy of asking prior to widely disseminating workout plans on a regular basis. Coaches deserve the opportunity to monetize their products and services. And conversely, if I'm paying a coach to design my workouts, then I won't appreciate it too much if someone else is getting it for free. Don, as you well know, there is lot of "free" stuff that Terry Laughlin makes available on the TI website, but at the same time you have to pay to get access to other things like videos and other content on the TI Academy site, I don't think Terry would appreciate it if bootleg copies of everything were being circulated freely.. Mark
. I agree completely, Mark. I said training sessions, not training plans. Overall plans get into the heart of the value provided by coaches, so sharing them is inappropriate. As others have said, Individual sessions are of limited value. People like Terry provide their value almost exclusively by teaching skills rather than coaching through overall programs, so I think it's a bit of apples and oranges, because their teaching techniques can be proprietary. BTW, I know you know Suzanne well, and have a lot of respect for her. She shared a good post on this topic in Ben Cagle's thread.
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| 2016-03-29 1:30 PM in reply to: TriMyBest |
| 216 | Subject: RE: Post your last swim workout Saturday: 200 pull, 100 kick warm up 20 x 200 free on 3:00, target touch at 2:40 or better (made all 20) 300 EZ recovery (100 back, 100 kick, 100 free) 3 X (4x25 Fly sprint on 1:00), extra minute rest between sets of 4 300 EZ cool down (3 x (25 breast kick, 25 dolphin kick, 50 breast swim)) Monday: 200 pull, 100 kick, 200 swim warm up 75's on 1:12, target 500 race pace (:52) extra minute rest after rep 8 for missed target extra minute rest after rep 11 for missed target set abandoned after rep 13 for 3rd missed target 225 EZ recovery (75 backstroke, 100 kick, 50 freestyle) 25's on :20, target 100 free race pace (13.9) extra minute rest after rep 9 for missed target extra minute rest after rep 14 for missed target set abandoned after rep 18 for 3rd missed target 150 EZ cool down (50 back, 50 kick, 50 free) |
| 2016-03-29 2:52 PM in reply to: 0 |
| Deep in the Heart of Texas | Subject: RE: Post your last swim workout 3500 scy WU: 200 free / 200 drill / 200 free Main Set: 4x400 (descending 1-4)(:15-:30 rest interval) 4x200 (descending 1-4)(3:00 interval) 4x100 pull 100 cool down Edited by Hook'em 2016-03-29 2:52 PM |
| 2016-03-30 6:50 AM in reply to: Hook'em |
Member 1748 Exton, PA | Subject: RE: Post your last swim workout 4400yds 1hr 30 min Warm Up 10 x 100 swim 10 sec rest 10 x 100 kick 15 sec rest 5 x 50 DPS 5 x 50 pull ----------------------------------- Main 8 x 25 on :30 fast 8 x 75 on 1:45 fast 100 ez 8 x 25 on :30 build 8 x 75 on 1:45 ascending ----------------------------------- cool down 200 ez |
| 2016-03-30 8:20 AM in reply to: mike761 |
Master 2429 Falls Church, Virginia | Subject: RE: Post your last swim workout 2200 SCY 400 warm up (100 free/50 non, repeat) 6x100 pull (descend 1-3, 4-6) :20 300 (as 50 free/50 back kick) 3x100 pull FAST! :20 4x50 as 25 fast/25 easy/:15 kick on wall 300 swim 100 cool down |
| 2016-03-30 10:05 AM in reply to: mike761 |
| Member 587 | Subject: RE: Post your last swim workout W/U: 2x[200, 4x25 DPS] MS: 2x 2x75 2x150 Build (30") 4x100 Fast @ 2' 300 AE W/D: 200 Free/back |
| 2016-03-30 10:25 AM in reply to: 5stones |
Expert 2852 Pfafftown, NC | Subject: RE: Post your last swim workout W/U 500 swim 200 Kick 200 Pull 2X300 8X25 Drill 3X200 8x25 Drill 2X150 (and I had to leave) 2800 SCY |
| 2016-04-01 5:37 AM in reply to: nc452010 |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: Post your last swim workout 300 choice 3200 SCM |
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