Flu shot? (Page 2)

**sigh**

Meh pass the popcorn please.

don't touch the caramel!

I'll go with the cheese popcorn then.

Years ago they advocated smoking to prevent a number of lung diseases, Then Tareynton (Sp?) cigarettes put "micronite filters" (asbestos) on their cigarettes to make them safer. Do you need to be reminded about the problems with the "Miracle drug" DES? How long do you suppose it will be before we find out the tragic side effects of these flu shots?

For those who said they had never got the flu - how do you know?
I have to say most of the time one can fight a mild flu with a strong enough immune system.  I consider myself pretty healthy and young enough to have a good immunute system.  Then why, in years I didn't get the flu shot, I would get something that has the classic flu symptoms*?  If it wasn't the flu then what was it?

It is the experiment I have done to myself: my company provide free flu shots every fall.  There are years that I don't get them for different reasons - one year was the global flu vaccine shortage and we "low risk" people got the low priority.  A few years I chose not to get one thinking I was healthy enough.  I live by myself, and generally don't see kids, elderly or people with long term illness.  I took notes of how my body reacted to the shot or the lack of shot. 

Years I got flu shots = no report sick days at work.  May have have mild illness that resembles more to a cold than the flu*.  Years I didn't get the shot = at least a few sick days.  Usually complicated by my travelling - twice I had it during my Xmas visiting home that involves 16-hour long flight. 

THis may be just N = 1, but it's good enough to convince myself to get the shots.  And I did for this year. 


* How I tell the differences.  Cold = slow onset with a couple days of small discomfort that escalates, sinus irritation, watery eyes (always ), if migrated to beneath the head and started coughing, will take a while to get better. 
Flu = fast onset discomfort that develops in matter of hours.  Would knock me out for a good week, complete with high fever, lost voice, achy body that felt like it pain was from deep inside the body and would take me a few more weeks to get back to normal.    

Are you really comparing flu shots to cigarettes?

And I'll have extra butter please.

A) What exactly does that have to do with anything I said?  I simply disabused the poster I was answering of the notion he had about how the vaccine works and is chosen.

B) Really are you kidding me.   Let's all disavow all medical advancements and go with leeches cause you know those mamagram machines and chemotharapy drugs and diabetes meds may all have unknown tragic side effects that have not shown up yet with repeated testing.  But you know they must be coming cause other bad stuff happened.

C) I wonder what tragic consequences will found for breathing all these years or maybe tomato soup will kill us all in the future.

And here Trinnas has provided a perfect example of the logical fallacy of reducto ad absurdium.
I present legitimate facts about practices that were advocated for years by the medical and scientific community that later were found to have tragic consequences and you try to twist it to the ridiculous.
And BTW leeches are still used to stimulate blood flow following various surgeries for reattaching fingers and hands. 

No, she actually presented a very valid point to which you have no response apparently.  There's nothing twisted or ridiculous about what she posted.  I would actually accuse you of posting ridiculous things given your examples.

ETA Aside from her obvious joking last sentence.

Were any of my examples in error?
Did the science and medical community advocate the practices I used as examples?
Did each and every one of them result in tragtic consequences?
This is the part where you say "Wow Verga really did raise some valid concerns."

*yawn*

never mind popcorn ... pass the poptarts, and a picture of you in a tutu, please.

Derek, you can put valid and substantiated information out there. But when there's no common ground of understanding regarding basic science and medicine ... it's like two people trying to speak different languages to each other.

You take 3 mistaken ideologies of the past and use it to condem something that is all but completly unrealated and you want to accuse me of a fallacious argument.

By the way you missed one of the real  biggies Thalidomide  -  Which is now used to treat other diseases because it is a potent anti-angiogenisis drug.  Just don't give it to pregnant women.

If I bring more drinks can I please share in the popcorn?

This is the part where I say, “I’m not really even sure what your point is.”

Call me crazy, but your argument seems to sort of conveniently ignore the thousands of other medical advancements that were not proven to have harmful side effects later on.


Edited by jmk-brooklyn 2010-12-08 11:58 AM

And years before that, the "cure" for syphilis was to spread an amalgam of butter and mercury on the sores...

And in the mid-1800's and before, infection was so common that if a wound didn't weep and ooze for days, it would be re-opened because apparently it wasn't healing correctly.

Oh, and yeah, don't forget the medically-approved practice of blood letting!

All good reasons to forego flu imunizations. Because, as is obvious, the medical establishment doesn't know anything.

note to self:  never read COJ while eating...

My sister's husband's brother's girlfriend's son got the swine flu from a flu shot so I'll never get a flu shot. They are just full of germs and stuff. Yuck.

"Waiter-- on second thought, no butter on that whole wheat toast, please!"

I was gonna ask Meh if I could have the butter part of the popcorn tin, but now I think not...

I've made it through both the SARS and the Avian flu outbreaks in Vancouver without ever having a flu shot and I don't plan on having one now.

Yeah, that whole polio vaccine thing was very disappointing. Why doesn't the flu shot erradicate the flu then? Hmm? I bet it's a conspiracy to keep us sick so the medical community can make more money.