NRA: Armed guards for schools is the answer (Page 2)

I actually read it, so they are going to fund the design a "program" that schools can implement if they choose too, and is calling for congress to allocate the funds so schools can implement the program...Don't you see the irony on this?

I call them stupid for mentioning video games for being a constributing factor to violence in our society while ignoring stupid marketing campaigns from its members like this one

http://www.buzzfeed.com/scott/bushmasters-shockingly-awful-man-card-campaign

I've heard this too... that somehow a police officer in a school is something no kid should see... since when did a police officer become such a horrible thing for kids? What happened to all the great ideas for more "cops on the beat"? What happened to the idea of police should be more involved in their community instead of driving around in cars? What's wrong with kids knowing they can talk, trust, and go to a police officer if they need to?

I am not a member, but I agree.

So many of you are saying you do not want your child to live in a world where they have to walk by an armed guard to go to school.  Well I do not want that for my kid either who would want that.  I would love to live in a world where crazy psychopathic killers did not walk into a school and shoot 20 innocent children and 6 adults who tried to protect them.  I do not want my kid to ever be anywhere that he could be harmed.  Hell I do not even want to live in a world where police are needed at all.  this world would be a much better place if no one ever shot, stabbed, strangled, raped, or blew up other people.  Unfortunately that is not the world we live in.  We live in a society with a lot of really good people and a few very evil ones. So lets not bury our heads in the sand and say i do not want that for my kid.  Lets protect our kids.  You cannot get rid of the guns that are already out there it is impossible.  You cannot keep those evil people from getting those guns. The killer in Connecticut killed his mother and stole the guns.  How could a gun control law have stopped that?  Ok so if he did not have an AR 15 he would have used something else a handgun, a hunting rifle, a shotgun, a pipe bomb.  Killers will kill period.  So stop with the I do not want that world for my kids and lets do something to protect them.  A school Principal saying stop only gets shot. A armed guard at least has a chance at stopping a killer.  Yeah maybe it does not work every time but if it works once and saves a classroom full of 6 year old kids I think it is worth it.  The cops are not fast enough they cannot be there quickly enough to save our kids it is not their fault they do a great job.

So who will pay for it.  Me and you and everyone who pays taxes.  Who cares how much it cost.  Listen to yourselves you are saying you do not want to pay to protect the most innocent among us a 6 year old kid.  I bet you could get people to volunteer to do this.  Train them do back ground checks and let a volunteer do it.  I would take time off work every month to do it.

I live in Oregon a few weeks ago there was a shooting at a mall on the other side of the state.  The killer had an AR 15 and hundreds of rounds (sound familiar) he only shot 3 people in a crowded mall.  This made no since to me at first how did only three get shot.  Then I heard the real story a man with an concealed weapon permit pulled his gun on the killer and the killer saw him as a threat and killed himself.  It works is it ideal no.  is our world ideal no.  So lets protect our children.  Lets put armed security in schools they can be planed closed and have a concealed weapon if you would like, or we can ban new sales of guns and let the killers keep killing with the guns that are already out there and the ones that will be sold on the black market.

I am done now I am going to go eat cake and send a letter to my local school superintendent.

+1.

No we are talking about public schools.  sporting events already have them for the most part.  Churches can do as they please if they choose to hire a guard they can.  We already protect our money, our president, and our court houses with armed guards but hey not our kids they are not important enough.

My first thoughts exactly.  No surprise.

quote from the NRA "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."  sounds pretty consistent to me.  A gun setting on the table does not kill or protect the person wielding the gun kills or protects no different than a a good or bad guy with a knife.

It doesnt make a difference but it should be pointed out that VT didnt happen under this administration.

They will very honorably pay for the training and the program to be implemented...and then what, who pays for the guards, and who benefits the most from this?

Yeap, we are jokers for not being grateful to such generosity.

Let's see, about 40,000 schools in the US.  Average salary of a policy officer runs around $50k, but cost to the employer is a bit higher with pensions, health insurance, payroll taxes, etc., so let's call it maybe $75k.  Don't need to pay to have an officer during the summer and winter breaks, so let's say 75% of the salary.  I'd personally like to thank the NRA for their generous, annual donation of about $2 billion, give or take a couple hundred million.

So finding a different way to stop people from actually shooting up our schools is not a viable option.  O.K.  So now the law breaking bad guy knows there's guns at school.  What next?  Who will they kill next? When that happens, we can give that group guns, and so on and so forth.  

They can't "easily" be converted to fully automatic... and fully automatic weapons were not used in these shootings. Red herring

"Armor piercing" rounds are not legal and were not used in these shootings. Misinformation.

You are not going to force anyone to take a "mental exam" to be "allowed" to exercise their rights. If you want more stringent regulation for better reporting of those that do have those issues to law enforcement, then lead the charge.

We can argue over what law is and isn't going to prevent a person from committing murder... which is illegal to begin with. It may indeed be part of the solution to catch mass shooters, instead of millions of law abiding citizens which it most certainly will. But to discount an armed officer in a school seems to me to be disagreeable just because it is the NRA... every single school in this country has already been discussing the subject before the NRA opened their moth.

Do we want to be "right" arguing for more gun control... or do we actually want to increase our real ability to save lives?

Earlier it was said... are we supposed to believe it would help... well if we rolled back the clock and a armed response had the total of kids killed at 10 instead of 20... ask the 10 parents if it was better or stupid to even try.

Excellent, I would feel so much safer with an armed rent-a-cop wandering around my kids school. Insanity breeding more insanity. Now we need to arm the kids in case one of the rent-a-cops goes nuts.At the minimum, expect accidents to occur.

Two months ago a Court House deputy in PA accidentally shot another deputy. I quote:

Heim said the incident shows the dangers of guns. "Even with trained professionals there is sometimes a lapse of concentration," he said.

I'm really not sure how I feel about this.  But what happens the next time (and there will be a next time) the shooting is at a mall, or a museum, or a city park etc..

We going to put armed guards in all of those places too? (OK museums probably already have armed guards but you get my point)

ETA: On a side note the amount of misinformation and outright LIES going on about guns is amazing to me.

We just spent 60 billion on the Sandy relief fund that included such things as renovating every military base on the east coast (most of which were not affected). As well as monies for renovating national cemeteries across the country.

Obama wants another 50 billion in stimulus spending in his fiscal cliff proposal.

But yeah, kids aren't worth 2 billion, let 'em fend for themselves.

Right... but instead of blaming the mentally ill, or our mental health profession, or the mother of the shooter or even the cold hearted killer that stole weapons killed his mother, and then took it out on people that had nothing to do with anyone.... the only thing we can obviously blame is the gun, and the only obvious way we can improve the situation is to put more restrictions on law abiding people that actually follow the law and know murder is illegal?