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 2013-12-26 4:51 PM in reply to: 0 |
Master  2912    ...at home in The ATL |  Subject: RE: SBR Utopia - Permanently OPEN!!Originally posted by BrotherTri Hey - I did we got in yesterday to over 2 feet of snow on the ground and a lot more coming down. I got about 7 miles of XC skiing in yesterday which was pretty good as about half of that was backcountry through powder up to my knees to get to slightly better groomed (aka state snowmobile) trails. Then this morning we got a call from our pet sitters that one of our critters is really ill. Anybody remember the million dollar cat from last year? Well she is back. So I am currently on a flight back home right now. I was really looking forward to getting in a lot of skiing, but what are you gonna do? Ah, well.Originally posted by TankBoy Hello, new group! Rusty did you make it to the wilderness? |
| 2013-12-26 4:53 PM in reply to: TankBoy |
Master 2912 ...at home in The ATL | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ~~~~ Permanently OPEN!! Are the rest of you getting email notifications for the group? I quit getting them about 10 days ago and just thought all you guys simply quit the internets. I an getting them for other threads, just not this one ( I am subscribed). |
| 2013-12-26 5:47 PM in reply to: TankBoy |
Master 2621 Mechanicsburg, PA | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ~~~~ Permanently OPEN!! Originally posted by TankBoy Are the rest of you getting email notifications for the group? I quit getting them about 10 days ago and just thought all you guys simply quit the internets. I an getting them for other threads, just not this one ( I am subscribed). I don't subscribe to the thread but will do so to test it. |
| 2013-12-26 5:57 PM in reply to: TankBoy |
Master 2621 Mechanicsburg, PA | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ~~~~ Permanently OPEN!! Originally posted by TankBoy Are the rest of you getting email notifications for the group? I quit getting them about 10 days ago and just thought all you guys simply quit the internets. I an getting them for other threads, just not this one ( I am subscribed). Rusty I could not add the current SBR utopia thread to my favorites. I could add others. I think because it is this in the staging area. |
| 2013-12-26 6:39 PM in reply to: BrotherTri |
Elite 7783  PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ~~~~ Permanently OPEN!! Originally posted by BrotherTri Originally posted by TankBoy Are the rest of you getting email notifications for the group? I quit getting them about 10 days ago and just thought all you guys simply quit the internets. I an getting them for other threads, just not this one ( I am subscribed). Rusty I could not add the current SBR utopia thread to my favorites. I could add others. I think because it is this in the staging area. Yeah, anything in either the staging area (this one) or archives (the last one) doesn't seem to send email notifications. Once we are moved to the live mentor groups it should become an option and start working. |
| 2013-12-26 6:40 PM in reply to: TankBoy |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ~~~~ Permanently OPEN!! Originally posted by TankBoy Originally posted by BrotherTri Hey - I did we got in yesterday to over 2 feet of snow on the ground and a lot more coming down. I got about 7 miles of XC skiing in yesterday which was pretty good as about half of that was backcountry through powder up to my knees to get to slightly better groomed (aka state snowmobile) trails. Then this morning we got a call from our pet sitters that one of our critters is really ill. Anybody remember the million dollar cat from last year? Well she is back. So I am currently on a flight back home right now. I was really looking forward to getting in a lot of skiing, but what are you gonna do? Ah, well. Originally posted by TankBoy Hello, new group! Rusty did you make it to the wilderness? Aww, that sucks Rusty. |
Our dogs are getting a bit older - this is one of my big fears when we travel.| 2013-12-26 10:19 PM in reply to: Asalzwed |
| Master 5557 , California | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ~~~~ Permanently OPEN!! Originally posted by Asalzwed Hey you guys! Howzit? Curious, do any of you have a recommendation for a mentor/group that has a lot of running knowledge/experience? I know ... it's kind of faux pas to ask about a mentor group in a mentor group. But, I figure you guys would understand! I will probably still pop in here every now and again, so I suppose I should post some info. I'm just so run-xclusive now, I feel a bit out of place! Don't make me to go letsrun! They will eat me aliiiive! I'll run with you! OK.. well I probably can't keep up, but I'm really trying to focus on running this winter, now that I've fought off the flu. |
| 2013-12-26 11:58 PM in reply to: 0 |
| Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ~~~~ Permanently OPEN!! Had a good ride. Goofed up an attempt at a short KOM because I thought the finish was a lot sooner than it was. Still set new personal bests on my power curve. 24 seconds - 793 and 35 seconds -730. And those of you with apple stock can thank my very generous sister for boosting your shares. Now I know how frustrating it is for you all to post from iPads...lol Edited by Jason N 2013-12-27 12:01 AM |
| 2013-12-27 6:19 AM in reply to: Jason N |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ~~~~ Permanently OPEN!! Originally posted by Jason N Had a good ride. Goofed up an attempt at a short KOM because I thought the finish was a lot sooner than it was. Still set new personal bests on my power curve. 24 seconds - 793 and 35 seconds -730. And those of you with apple stock can thank my very generous sister for boosting your shares. Now I know how frustrating it is for you all to post from iPads...lol Awesome numbers Jason! 3200m in the pool this morning. I had the pool entirely to myself for the first 30 mins. I love it when I'm the first one that gets in and the water is perfectly flat and still. I always find that to be a nice relaxing way to start the workout. |
| 2013-12-27 9:26 AM in reply to: Jason N |
Master 2621 Mechanicsburg, PA | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ~~~~ Permanently OPEN!! Originally posted by Jason N Had a good ride. Goofed up an attempt at a short KOM because I thought the finish was a lot sooner than it was. Still set new personal bests on my power curve. 24 seconds - 793 and 35 seconds -730. And those of you with apple stock can thank my very generous sister for boosting your shares. Now I know how frustrating it is for you all to post from iPads...lol Jason I know you are a powerful cyclist. Those numbers are awesome! Excuse my ignorance but that is 793 watts for 25 seconds? |
| 2013-12-27 9:38 AM in reply to: Jason N |
Veteran 1677 Houston, Texas | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ~~~~ Permanently OPEN!! Jason, those are power numbers that I can't even comprehend! Wow!! What do you use for power? Do you have PM's for both your tri bike and road bike, or is it as simple as swapping the wheel? I'm considering getting a road bike this year, but undecided if I should get power for it, as it's unlikely I'll race it (plus, I kind of feel like I wouldn't pay attention to it anyways). How important do you feel power is on the road bike? No biking or swimming today, but I'm about to go run along the Pacific Ocean for an hour or so |
| 2013-12-27 10:37 AM in reply to: ligersandtions |
| Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ~~~~ Permanently OPEN!! James...yeah...793 watts for 24 seconds. It helps to completely jump out of the saddle and thrash your bike while going up a 13% grade. It would be nearly impossible for me to do that on a flatter surface for that long. Nicole...I'm using a quarq. I can easily swap it between my road and tri bike. I needed an adapter to convert my road bike from BB30 and accept a GXP crank. So long as your bottom brackets are compatible, swapping cranks is really easy. I'd say easier than swapping pedals. Power on the road bike is pretty important to me. For training, it helps guide my efforts no different than it does on a tri bike. Racing is a bit dicey...but it does become really helpful to at least look back on the data and see where your race went right or wrong. |
| 2013-12-27 11:00 AM in reply to: Jason N |
Veteran 2842 Austin, Texas | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ~~~~ Permanently OPEN!! Anyone else on spm swimming (thanks James)? Really trying to figure this one out. Same rate fast and slow, just change power, or faster rate for faster pace? Thanks. Matt. (Dang iFormatting!) |
| 2013-12-27 11:41 AM in reply to: mcmanusclan5 |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ~~~~ Permanently OPEN!! Originally posted by mcmanusclan5 Anyone else on spm swimming (thanks James)? Really trying to figure this one out. Same rate fast and slow, just change power, or faster rate for faster pace? Thanks. Matt. (Dang iFormatting!) Can I say it depends? I don't ever actually count but I have a pretty good feel for my turnover rate. Most of my swimming is at a pretty consistent rate (likely small variations). It does change when I get to the outer extremes though. ie. if I'm going slow - slower than just an easy cruise I will have a slower turnover. If I am going fast - faster than threshold, something I can only maintain for a few minutes at most then my turnover will increase. Everything in between will probably be a pretty similar rate, I'll just pull harder or softer. |
| 2013-12-27 11:43 AM in reply to: spudone |
| Seattle | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ~~~~ Permanently OPEN!! Originally posted by spudone Originally posted by Asalzwed Hey you guys! Howzit? Curious, do any of you have a recommendation for a mentor/group that has a lot of running knowledge/experience? I know ... it's kind of faux pas to ask about a mentor group in a mentor group. But, I figure you guys would understand! I will probably still pop in here every now and again, so I suppose I should post some info. I'm just so run-xclusive now, I feel a bit out of place! Don't make me to go letsrun! They will eat me aliiiive! I'll run with you! OK.. well I probably can't keep up, but I'm really trying to focus on running this winter, now that I've fought off the flu. Awesome. Seriously, any time. You might have to come to the west side sometimes though I'm going to do the Lake Sammamish HM if you are interested. Also, I will probably do some running up at Cougar mountain, too.
And thanks for the suggestions, guys! |
| 2013-12-27 12:29 PM in reply to: Asalzwed |
Master 2621 Mechanicsburg, PA | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ~~~~ Permanently OPEN!! Adrienne, How many mpw do you run? can't see your logs. I respect that so no worries. Did you get will Jim's Group? |
| 2013-12-27 12:35 PM in reply to: BrotherTri |
| Seattle | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ~~~~ Permanently OPEN!! Originally posted by BrotherTri Adrienne, How many mpw do you run? can't see your logs. I respect that so no worries. Did you get will Jim's Group? It depends. During XC season (focusing on 6K) I ran about 60-75 emphasizing more frequency and quality with lots of work on tempo changes (kind of the nature of XC.) Now I am heading into marathon training. My mileage will go up and emphasize more rhythm and long tempo type work. I might get up to 100 but I'm not forcing anything. I'm also toying with the idea of a little less mileage and more quality. Still not sure though. Might just feel it out. I could open up my logs if you are really curious. I'm not sure if Jim's group is going to be quite what I am looking for. But I am still weighing some options. |
| 2013-12-27 1:08 PM in reply to: Asalzwed |
Master 2621 Mechanicsburg, PA | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ~~~~ Permanently OPEN!! Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by BrotherTri Adrienne, How many mpw do you run? can't see your logs. I respect that so no worries. Did you get will Jim's Group? It depends. During XC season (focusing on 6K) I ran about 60-75 emphasizing more frequency and quality with lots of work on tempo changes (kind of the nature of XC.) Now I am heading into marathon training. My mileage will go up and emphasize more rhythm and long tempo type work. I might get up to 100 but I'm not forcing anything. I'm also toying with the idea of a little less mileage and more quality. Still not sure though. Might just feel it out. I could open up my logs if you are really curious. I'm not sure if Jim's group is going to be quite what I am looking for. But I am still weighing some options. WOW 100 mpw amazing! Even 60-75 mpw that's some running. NICE work! |
| 2013-12-27 1:20 PM in reply to: Jason N |
Master 1927 Guilford, CT | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ~~~~ Permanently OPEN!! Originally posted by Jason N James...yeah...793 watts for 24 seconds. It helps to completely jump out of the saddle and thrash your bike while going up a 13% grade. It would be nearly impossible for me to do that on a flatter surface for that long. Nicole...I'm using a quarq. I can easily swap it between my road and tri bike. I needed an adapter to convert my road bike from BB30 and accept a GXP crank. So long as your bottom brackets are compatible, swapping cranks is really easy. I'd say easier than swapping pedals. Power on the road bike is pretty important to me. For training, it helps guide my efforts no different than it does on a tri bike. Racing is a bit dicey...but it does become really helpful to at least look back on the data and see where your race went right or wrong. Nice work Jason! What are you weighing in at these days? I had some decent 30 second numbers but was weighing in a bit higher than ideal. |
| 2013-12-27 5:24 PM in reply to: JAYCT |
| Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ~~~~ Permanently OPEN!! Originally posted by JAYCT Originally posted by Jason N Nice work Jason! What are you weighing in at these days? I had some decent 30 second numbers but was weighing in a bit higher than ideal. James...yeah...793 watts for 24 seconds. It helps to completely jump out of the saddle and thrash your bike while going up a 13% grade. It would be nearly impossible for me to do that on a flatter surface for that long. Nicole...I'm using a quarq. I can easily swap it between my road and tri bike. I needed an adapter to convert my road bike from BB30 and accept a GXP crank. So long as your bottom brackets are compatible, swapping cranks is really easy. I'd say easier than swapping pedals. Power on the road bike is pretty important to me. For training, it helps guide my efforts no different than it does on a tri bike. Racing is a bit dicey...but it does become really helpful to at least look back on the data and see where your race went right or wrong. Still hovering around 160...especially after Christmas Eve and Christmas Day dinners and beer. |
| 2013-12-27 9:41 PM in reply to: 0 |
Veteran 2842 Austin, Texas | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ~~~~ Permanently OPEN!! Originally posted by axteraa Thanks Arend - always seems that it depends, indeed... If you were to guess, are you closer to 40 or 60 spm? I'm at the low end of that (sometimes even below it) but don't glide. Just wondering if I should work on power (paddles) or turnover more to up the pace. Prolly both, as it never seems you can do just one thing at a time in swimming. Originally posted by mcmanusclan5 Anyone else on spm swimming (thanks James)? Really trying to figure this one out. Same rate fast and slow, just change power, or faster rate for faster pace? Thanks. Matt. (Dang iFormatting!) Can I say it depends? I don't ever actually count but I have a pretty good feel for my turnover rate. Most of my swimming is at a pretty consistent rate (likely small variations). It does change when I get to the outer extremes though. ie. if I'm going slow - slower than just an easy cruise I will have a slower turnover. If I am going fast - faster than threshold, something I can only maintain for a few minutes at most then my turnover will increase. Everything in between will probably be a pretty similar rate, I'll just pull harder or softer.  Matt. Edited to make real words out of autocorrect ex ones (Danforth it just did it again!). Should read "... autocorrected ones (Dang it just..." Stoopid smart phone - it actually changed autocorrect and dang on me during editing other mistakes!  Edited by mcmanusclan5 2013-12-27 9:46 PM |
| 2013-12-28 5:59 AM in reply to: mcmanusclan5 |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ~~~~ Permanently OPEN!! Originally posted by mcmanusclan5 Originally posted by axteraa Thanks Arend - always seems that it depends, indeed... If you were to guess, are you closer to 40 or 60 spm? I'm at the low end of that (sometimes even below it) but don't glide. Just wondering if I should work on power (paddles) or turnover more to up the pace. Prolly both, as it never seems you can do just one thing at a time in swimming. Originally posted by mcmanusclan5 Anyone else on spm swimming (thanks James)? Really trying to figure this one out. Same rate fast and slow, just change power, or faster rate for faster pace? Thanks. Matt. (Dang iFormatting!) Can I say it depends? I don't ever actually count but I have a pretty good feel for my turnover rate. Most of my swimming is at a pretty consistent rate (likely small variations). It does change when I get to the outer extremes though. ie. if I'm going slow - slower than just an easy cruise I will have a slower turnover. If I am going fast - faster than threshold, something I can only maintain for a few minutes at most then my turnover will increase. Everything in between will probably be a pretty similar rate, I'll just pull harder or softer. Matt. Edited to make real words out of autocorrect ex ones (Danforth it just did it again!). Should read "... autocorrected ones (Dang it just..." Stoopid smart phone - it actually changed autocorrect and dang on me during editing other mistakes! To determine spm, are you counting each arm or a full cycle (ie. just the right arm strokes)? Some rough back of a napkin math: for a normal to strongish effort I will probably take 15-16 strokes per 25m (counting each arm) so 30-32 per 50m. The time for a 50 like that will be 37-40s - closer to the 40 if I have to hold it for any amount of time. Using 40s/50m for easy math, that gives 45-48 spm. |
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| Veteran 2842 Austin, Texas | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ~~~~ Permanently OPEN!! Originally posted by axteraa Originally posted by mcmanusclan5 Originally posted by axteraa Thanks Arend - always seems that it depends, indeed... If you were to guess, are you closer to 40 or 60 spm? I'm at the low end of that (sometimes even below it) but don't glide. Just wondering if I should work on power (paddles) or turnover more to up the pace. Prolly both, as it never seems you can do just one thing at a time in swimming. Originally posted by mcmanusclan5 Anyone else on spm swimming (thanks James)? Really trying to figure this one out. Same rate fast and slow, just change power, or faster rate for faster pace? Thanks. Matt. (Dang iFormatting!) Can I say it depends? I don't ever actually count but I have a pretty good feel for my turnover rate. Most of my swimming is at a pretty consistent rate (likely small variations). It does change when I get to the outer extremes though. ie. if I'm going slow - slower than just an easy cruise I will have a slower turnover. If I am going fast - faster than threshold, something I can only maintain for a few minutes at most then my turnover will increase. Everything in between will probably be a pretty similar rate, I'll just pull harder or softer. Matt. Edited to make real words out of autocorrect ex ones (Danforth it just did it again!). Should read "... autocorrected ones (Dang it just..." Stoopid smart phone - it actually changed autocorrect and dang on me during editing other mistakes! To determine spm, are you counting each arm or a full cycle (ie. just the right arm strokes)? Some rough back of a napkin math: for a normal to strongish effort I will probably take 15-16 strokes per 25m (counting each arm) so 30-32 per 50m. The time for a 50 like that will be 37-40s - closer to the 40 if I have to hold it for any amount of time. Using 40s/50m for easy math, that gives 45-48 spm. Hmmmm… I think I have an experiment to do at the pool today (and I thought I'd just be running!). I use the 910 to count strokes (accelerometer detects and counts turnover). I've assumed it's one arm, so needs to be multiplied by 2 - but now I need to go and do some counting (I don't have the same intuitive sense for ANYTHING in the pool that I do running or even riding). If I double the stroke rate, then I'm around 48-52 spm for easy-ish swimming (a recovery 500m swim, for instance) and 56-59 for faster efforts (between 1:20 and 1:30 per 100 yards). At least going by the numbers from a swim this week that felt fairly typical. I'm going to look at some of my OWS data on GC, too. If Garmin doubles the number for me, then I'm obviously stroking at half that pace (which would be s-l-o-w). I looked over the swim smooth website this summer, which suggests optimal turnover rates, and this has been gnawing away in the recesses of memory since then. Now it's time to figure it out. Hey, if it matters for running and riding I'm going to guess that cadence matters for swimming, too. Thanks for your deets - I'll post up after a bit more homework here (as I thought I knew my rate but now am wondering!). Matt |
I love having so much to learn. Someday...| 2013-12-28 4:03 PM in reply to: 0 |
| Master 2621 Mechanicsburg, PA | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ~~~~ Permanently OPEN!! Originally posted by mcmanusclan5 Hmmmm… I think I have an experiment to do at the pool today (and I thought I'd just be running!). I use the 910 to count strokes (accelerometer detects and counts turnover). I've assumed it's one arm, so needs to be multiplied by 2 - but now I need to go and do some counting (I don't have the same intuitive sense for ANYTHING in the pool that I do running or even riding). If I double the stroke rate, then I'm around 48-52 spm for easy-ish swimming (a recovery 500m swim, for instance) and 56-59 for faster efforts (between 1:20 and 1:30 per 100 yards). At least going by the numbers from a swim this week that felt fairly typical. I'm going to look at some of my OWS data on GC, too. If Garmin doubles the number for me, then I'm obviously stroking at half that pace (which would be s-l-o-w). I looked over the swim smooth website this summer, which suggests optimal turnover rates, and this has been gnawing away in the recesses of memory since then. Now it's time to figure it out. Hey, if it matters for running and riding I'm going to guess that cadence matters for swimming, too. Thanks for your deets - I'll post up after a bit more homework here (as I thought I knew my rate but now am wondering!). Matt You and Rusty are such colorful writers………….I thoroughly enjoy reading what you two post. …………..and be careful with that gnawing brain matter, it will eat you up. Seriously I know you want to get the answer on your stroke count. My opinion is, do not get too hung up on it. If it makes you faster then you WIN, but do not sacrifice your technique. Swimming technique can be ever so subtle from person to person. Good technique can be learned by ones person or coach. One can figure out how to make swimming technique better over time. I have seen a coach work on a person’s technique to make him have much better technique and subsequently a faster swimmer. He was a very good coach for spotting things in your technique to make you faster. One thing I wanted to mention before and a question. Do you want to just get a faster arm turn over? If so…..Something I do (my little secret which I think is widely overlooked) I will intervals swim with fins. They kick your a$$. I do to start with a mid length fin 3x100 at threshold or just above recovery and repeat x2 or x3. This will pull my arm speed up. This is a drill I’ll do a few weeks before a race. EDIT Edited by BrotherTri 2013-12-28 4:16 PM |
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