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  2013-06-27 10:44 AM in reply to: GoFaster |
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| 2013-06-27 11:09 AM in reply to: brigby1 |
| Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by brigby1 Originally posted by Fred D Originally posted by GoFasterI've come to a decision. I need to correct my stroke - I'm sure there are lots of things wrong with my swimming in general, but specifically I drop my lead arm when I breathe, and rather than pulling, it just sort of "floats" back and I pull with the other arm when not breathing. I kind of get away with this because I bilateral breathe, but if I was only breathing to one side, it would be even more pronounced.I know I do this, but I also know that it's really uncomfortable and awkward when I try to fix it - my ability to roll and breathe gets messed up. In other words, I've been avoiding it since it's going to be a difficult process to fix it (based on half hearted attempts in the past). But looking at race results, the swim is holding me back - I've just been too lazy to put in the effort to fix it. . Masters or a swim coach. X2 No experience with a coach, but masters has made a substantial difference and I can see how things will continue to improve instead of just hoping for it. For me, the sets weren't as gut-busting as so many make it sound in the main forums. Intensity matched up better with how I'd expect in the other two disciplines for a type of workout. Sets were designed better, and executed even more so. And there was some instruction from the coach on stroke and I can regularly see what decent swimmers do quite a bit. I'm swimming right with them or in the next lane over. It wasn't so much the motivation of keeping up (though that is present), but in getting more immediate feedback that my stroke was slipping ever so slightly as I'd fall behind a touch. I could see how more relaxed & stable the better swimmers were, and would try to do that myself. And would make sure to do that the entire time. x3. My experience is very similar to yours Ben in regards to Masters. You get some really good sets that you would never try on your own. The coaches I have don't give a ton of stroke correction tips, but I've been going long enough (almost 4 years now) that they really know how I swim and the few tips they have given me have really helped. I also gauge myself a lot on how I'm doing compared to the other swimmers. Sometimes I'll experiment with a slightly longer glide and see if I can keep up with less effort or if I'm falling behind. Or sometimes I'll just take the time to look over and watch the fishies swim by in the other lane and try to pick up on some things that they are doing...or vice versa...look at the slower lane and find the differences in what they are doing causing them to swim slower. |
| 2013-06-27 11:22 AM in reply to: marcag |
| Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by marcag Originally posted by Fred D As far as racing Ironman versus half Ironman I have a few thoughts. Ironman training tends to be somewhat onerous in my current work and family lifestyle and also tends to result in more frequent injuries. I still would like to do an Ironman in a few years from now but I must say it's nice to not have the responsibility of the long bikes especially long run. I think most of us have a romantic attachment to the idea of doing Ironman, but after doing five of them I really only feel that I've raced 1 of them decently to my potential. Never say never but as I get busier at work and get older it gets tougher to justify going to the Ironman process. My wife and I are looking into 2015 at the next potential time to consider this. What's funny is that my desire to race Kona is actually fairly minimal at this stage. It's more the desire to see if I could execute properly trained for and raced Ironman. I bet some people would doubt that I've lost interest in Kona but truly I have. I'm much more person who likes to see if they can properly prepare for train for and execute a good race plan regardless of overall ranking at this stage of the game for me. Just my thoughts. Interesting topic Personally I believe I will only do full IM if I believe I could eventually KQ. This does not mean my goal would be to KQ on the first try. I believe you need a certain amount of experience to get it right, but I wouldn't even start the process until I believe I have a legit, eventual shot at a KQ. If anything, I am tending to want to go shorter (Olympic) rather than longer Before getting into the lottery, I was a bit unsure if I would ever do an IM. It just didn't seem that appealing to me to travel so far, and train so hard and long for a race unless a bunch of my training buddies were going to do it with me. I have no aspirations to actually KQ or VQ (if I really wanted to focus on getting fast at something it would be bike racing), so triathlons is very much a social and "just for fun" type of deal for me. Of course I try to set some goals to push me...but by no means is it a burning desire of mine to be the fastest triathlete possible. The minute triathlons aren't so fun anymore...I'll probably just ride my bike more. |
| 2013-06-27 11:51 AM in reply to: GoFaster |
Master 10208   Northern IL | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by GoFaster Thanks for the feedback all. Unfortunately for me, Masters does not fit with my life schedule, although swimming with a Tri group (simply by chance) for a few weeks really seemed to push me along, better than I could manage on my own. A swim coach would be ideal, but I can't justify the dollars at the moment - I feel like I need a bike fit more than swim coaching. I did try to get away with bargain dollars swim coaching a couple of winters ago and got what I paid for. What I may try to do is film myself swimming again, and see what feedback I get online. It's less than ideal, but better than nothing. Besides, I haven't seen myself swimming for a while, and I feel it's good to see how you actually look compared to how you think you look. If that group can offer some of the things a masters group would, or something you would not have on your own, then go for it. I listed out all the things to see if it would help trigger some solution like that, as opposed to pushing directly for masters. |
| 2013-06-27 1:26 PM in reply to: Jason N |
Master 2912  ...at home in The ATL | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN So am I the only person in the world that genuinely finds Ironman (both training and racing) to be "easier" than HIM training and racing? In my experience I found that to be regionally competitive at the sprint and OLY distance took me every bit as much time as my current IM training does, and it was harder. I always find the assumption that short races are "easy" and long races are "hard" to be kinda funny. No one in the group has said that of course, but it is often the perception amongst racers and non-racers alike: until you do ironman, you really have not accomplished much. In my experience the folks that are working to be really good at the shorter distances are working every bit as hard (if not harder) than the IM folks. Maybe I am doing something wrong, but I have never been more destroyed than after some of my HIM races. I am not nearly as fast as I used to be, and I don't recover as quickly either, so (as a counterpoint to Fred) I have found my eventual foray into IM training and racing to be a natural part of getting older: since I can no longer go as fast as I used to, maybe I can just go slow for longer.... |
| 2013-06-27 2:06 PM in reply to: 0 |
| Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Largely yes, others like you would be those same people who think only farther is better because they don't want to exert themselves!  (They really need to fix the sarc font) Edited by brigby1 2013-06-27 2:07 PM |
| 2013-06-27 2:21 PM in reply to: brigby1 |
| Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN You just gotta go old school and highlight, change the font color, and click italics. So easy a caveman...err...gorilla...could do it. |
| 2013-06-27 2:25 PM in reply to: TankBoy |
| Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by TankBoy So am I the only person in the world that genuinely finds Ironman (both training and racing) to be "easier" than HIM training and racing? In my experience I found that to be regionally competitive at the sprint and OLY distance took me every bit as much time as my current IM training does, and it was harder. I always find the assumption that short races are "easy" and long races are "hard" to be kinda funny. No one in the group has said that of course, but it is often the perception amongst racers and non-racers alike: until you do ironman, you really have not accomplished much. In my experience the folks that are working to be really good at the shorter distances are working every bit as hard (if not harder) than the IM folks. Maybe I am doing something wrong, but I have never been more destroyed than after some of my HIM races. I am not nearly as fast as I used to be, and I don't recover as quickly either, so (as a counterpoint to Fred) I have found my eventual foray into IM training and racing to be a natural part of getting older: since I can no longer go as fast as I used to, maybe I can just go slow for longer.... My experience (this time and last time) is that the midweek stuff is identical as far as time/distance goes. Maybe a little less speedwork doing IM vs. HIM training, but volume is the same. It's the weekend - due to my schedule like many others, long rides/ runs happen on teh weekend - where I do 5-6 on the bike saturday, then sunday a 2ish hour run and a 1ish hour swim, or more. That takes its toll (and might be a function of both age and some medication). I don't really recover from the weekend fatigue-wise until Wednesday. |
| 2013-06-27 2:31 PM in reply to: brigby1 |
Elite 3779  Ontario | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by brigby1 Originally posted by GoFaster Thanks for the feedback all. Unfortunately for me, Masters does not fit with my life schedule, although swimming with a Tri group (simply by chance) for a few weeks really seemed to push me along, better than I could manage on my own. A swim coach would be ideal, but I can't justify the dollars at the moment - I feel like I need a bike fit more than swim coaching. I did try to get away with bargain dollars swim coaching a couple of winters ago and got what I paid for. What I may try to do is film myself swimming again, and see what feedback I get online. It's less than ideal, but better than nothing. Besides, I haven't seen myself swimming for a while, and I feel it's good to see how you actually look compared to how you think you look. If that group can offer some of the things a masters group would, or something you would not have on your own, then go for it. I listed out all the things to see if it would help trigger some solution like that, as opposed to pushing directly for masters. Wish I could - things just don't seem to fit at the moment. I made my initial swim post last night after a good session in the pool where I focused on a known issue, and seemed to have a better swim. I then read and responded to everyone's thoughts on Masters/coaching before heading off to the pool at lunch. I then proceeded to swim 5sec/100M slower than last night and was ready to drown myself in the deep end. This is my single biggest issue with swimming - complete lack of consistency with my swim times, and absolutely no clue what has changed and gone right/wrong. I take back any thoughts of me correcting my own swim stroke. The worst part is this has happened to me often enough in the past that I should know better by now. So friggin frustrated.... |
| 2013-06-27 3:10 PM in reply to: GoFaster |
| Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN TJ Fry just made an interesting comment in Tri Talk about how people can over fixate on an a swim issue. Forget which thread at the moment. |
| 2013-06-27 3:11 PM in reply to: TankBoy |
| Payson, AZ | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by TankBoy So am I the only person in the world that genuinely finds Ironman (both training and racing) to be "easier" than HIM training and racing? In my experience I found that to be regionally competitive at the sprint and OLY distance took me every bit as much time as my current IM training does, and it was harder. I always find the assumption that short races are "easy" and long races are "hard" to be kinda funny. No one in the group has said that of course, but it is often the perception amongst racers and non-racers alike: until you do ironman, you really have not accomplished much. In my experience the folks that are working to be really good at the shorter distances are working every bit as hard (if not harder) than the IM folks. Maybe I am doing something wrong, but I have never been more destroyed than after some of my HIM races. I am not nearly as fast as I used to be, and I don't recover as quickly either, so (as a counterpoint to Fred) I have found my eventual foray into IM training and racing to be a natural part of getting older: since I can no longer go as fast as I used to, maybe I can just go slow for longer.... Do not comprehend. |
| 2013-06-27 3:15 PM in reply to: Jason N |
| Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by Jason N You just gotta go old school and highlight, change the font color, and click italics. So easy a caveman...err...gorilla...could do it. I'll tie this note to the Rolodex with all my "friends" info. |
| 2013-06-27 3:20 PM in reply to: 0 |
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| 2013-06-27 3:53 PM in reply to: Jason N |
| Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN I just got notice that a the local company that wants to sponsor me and my training partner with race clothing for Kona. Seems like they were pretty flexible as they told us via email we could select whatever we needed and they would work on putting the logos on. I replied back asking if they could throw in a swim skin to sweeten the deal. Honestly I already have lots of race gear including a kit that represents my tri/cycling team I recently bought. We'll see what they say. |
| 2013-06-27 4:05 PM in reply to: Jason N |
| Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by Jason N I just got notice that a the local company that wants to sponsor me and my training partner with race clothing for Kona. Seems like they were pretty flexible as they told us via email we could select whatever we needed and they would work on putting the logos on. I replied back asking if they could throw in a swim skin to sweeten the deal. Honestly I already have lots of race gear including a kit that represents my tri/cycling team I recently bought. We'll see what they say. Nice. Milk it! BTW, meant to comment on it, it's too far back, but your response to the Kona lottery post was way better than I cold have done, hilarious! |
| 2013-06-27 4:15 PM in reply to: ChrisM |
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| 2013-06-27 4:17 PM in reply to: ChrisM |
| Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by ChrisM Originally posted by Jason N I just got notice that a the local company that wants to sponsor me and my training partner with race clothing for Kona. Seems like they were pretty flexible as they told us via email we could select whatever we needed and they would work on putting the logos on. I replied back asking if they could throw in a swim skin to sweeten the deal. Honestly I already have lots of race gear including a kit that represents my tri/cycling team I recently bought. We'll see what they say. Nice. Milk it! BTW, meant to comment on it, it's too far back, but your response to the Kona lottery post was way better than I cold have done, hilarious! Well...if I told them I was trying to "milk it," they would either laugh, or think it was a really lame joke. It's a local dairy that's making the offer. Last year the teamed up with Refuel (aka Chocolate Milk) to offer some of the locals race clothing. We were told Refuel may not commit till it's too late so the dairy is going without them. I suppose Refuel is more focused on Hines Ward...LOL. |
| 2013-06-27 7:05 PM in reply to: TSimone |
| Elite 3779 Ontario | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by TSimone Originally posted by GoFaster Thanks for the feedback all. Unfortunately for me, Masters does not fit with my life schedule, although swimming with a Tri group (simply by chance) for a few weeks really seemed to push me along, better than I could manage on my own. A swim coach would be ideal, but I can't justify the dollars at the moment - I feel like I need a bike fit more than swim coaching. I did try to get away with bargain dollars swim coaching a couple of winters ago and got what I paid for. What I may try to do is film myself swimming again, and see what feedback I get online. It's less than ideal, but better than nothing. Besides, I haven't seen myself swimming for a while, and I feel it's good to see how you actually look compared to how you think you look.
Neil - You could try to get in on this on ST. Not sure how quickly you'd have to sign up though. Tom - thanks so much for that post. I got in. |
| 2013-06-27 7:39 PM in reply to: GoFaster |
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| 2013-06-28 4:16 AM in reply to: Jason N |
| Master 2621 Mechanicsburg, PA | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by Jason N Originally posted by ChrisM Originally posted by Jason N I just got notice that a the local company that wants to sponsor me and my training partner with race clothing for Kona. Seems like they were pretty flexible as they told us via email we could select whatever we needed and they would work on putting the logos on. I replied back asking if they could throw in a swim skin to sweeten the deal. Honestly I already have lots of race gear including a kit that represents my tri/cycling team I recently bought. We'll see what they say. Nice. Milk it! BTW, meant to comment on it, it's too far back, but your response to the Kona lottery post was way better than I cold have done, hilarious! Well...if I told them I was trying to "milk it," they would either laugh, or think it was a really lame joke. It's a local dairy that's making the offer. Last year the teamed up with Refuel (aka Chocolate Milk) to offer some of the locals race clothing. We were told Refuel may not commit till it's too late so the dairy is going without them. I suppose Refuel is more focused on Hines Ward...LOL. You should see if they would put this on the kit’s “Utterly hooked on Tri’s” I am sure you could think of a ton more catchy phrases….. |
| 2013-06-28 5:51 AM in reply to: GoFaster |
| Pro 4482 NJ | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by GoFaster Originally posted by TSimone Tom - thanks so much for that post. I got in. Originally posted by GoFaster Thanks for the feedback all. Unfortunately for me, Masters does not fit with my life schedule, although swimming with a Tri group (simply by chance) for a few weeks really seemed to push me along, better than I could manage on my own. A swim coach would be ideal, but I can't justify the dollars at the moment - I feel like I need a bike fit more than swim coaching. I did try to get away with bargain dollars swim coaching a couple of winters ago and got what I paid for. What I may try to do is film myself swimming again, and see what feedback I get online. It's less than ideal, but better than nothing. Besides, I haven't seen myself swimming for a while, and I feel it's good to see how you actually look compared to how you think you look.
Neil - You could try to get in on this on ST. Not sure how quickly you'd have to sign up though. Hey Neil, I had also signed up for this. I don't think I've ever actually posted on ST but I read pretty regularly. I'm "sneaker" over there if you need to look at someone who struggles at an even slower pace. |
| 2013-06-28 6:32 AM in reply to: kcarroll |
| Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by kcarroll Originally posted by GoFaster Originally posted by TSimone Tom - thanks so much for that post. I got in. Originally posted by GoFaster Thanks for the feedback all. Unfortunately for me, Masters does not fit with my life schedule, although swimming with a Tri group (simply by chance) for a few weeks really seemed to push me along, better than I could manage on my own. A swim coach would be ideal, but I can't justify the dollars at the moment - I feel like I need a bike fit more than swim coaching. I did try to get away with bargain dollars swim coaching a couple of winters ago and got what I paid for. What I may try to do is film myself swimming again, and see what feedback I get online. It's less than ideal, but better than nothing. Besides, I haven't seen myself swimming for a while, and I feel it's good to see how you actually look compared to how you think you look.
Neil - You could try to get in on this on ST. Not sure how quickly you'd have to sign up though. Hey Neil, I had also signed up for this. I don't think I've ever actually posted on ST but I read pretty regularly. I'm "sneaker" over there if you need to look at someone who struggles at an even slower pace. Which side are the two of you on? Slowman's or Dave's? |
| 2013-06-28 7:23 AM in reply to: 0 |
| Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by BrotherTri Originally posted by Jason N You should see if they would put this on the kit’s “Utterly Udderly hooked on Tri’s” I am sure you could think of a ton more catchy phrases….. Originally posted by ChrisM Originally posted by Jason N I just got notice that a the local company that wants to sponsor me and my training partner with race clothing for Kona. Seems like they were pretty flexible as they told us via email we could select whatever we needed and they would work on putting the logos on. I replied back asking if they could throw in a swim skin to sweeten the deal. Honestly I already have lots of race gear including a kit that represents my tri/cycling team I recently bought. We'll see what they say. Nice. Milk it! BTW, meant to comment on it, it's too far back, but your response to the Kona lottery post was way better than I cold have done, hilarious! Well...if I told them I was trying to "milk it," they would either laugh, or think it was a really lame joke. It's a local dairy that's making the offer. Last year the teamed up with Refuel (aka Chocolate Milk) to offer some of the locals race clothing. We were told Refuel may not commit till it's too late so the dairy is going without them. I suppose Refuel is more focused on Hines Ward...LOL. Like that? Edited by brigby1 2013-06-28 7:24 AM |
| 2013-06-28 7:54 AM in reply to: brigby1 |
| Elite 3779 Ontario | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by brigby1 Originally posted by BrotherTri Originally posted by Jason N You should see if they would put this on the kit’s “Utterly Udderly hooked on Tri’s” I am sure you could think of a ton more catchy phrases….. Originally posted by ChrisM Originally posted by Jason N I just got notice that a the local company that wants to sponsor me and my training partner with race clothing for Kona. Seems like they were pretty flexible as they told us via email we could select whatever we needed and they would work on putting the logos on. I replied back asking if they could throw in a swim skin to sweeten the deal. Honestly I already have lots of race gear including a kit that represents my tri/cycling team I recently bought. We'll see what they say. Nice. Milk it! BTW, meant to comment on it, it's too far back, but your response to the Kona lottery post was way better than I cold have done, hilarious! Well...if I told them I was trying to "milk it," they would either laugh, or think it was a really lame joke. It's a local dairy that's making the offer. Last year the teamed up with Refuel (aka Chocolate Milk) to offer some of the locals race clothing. We were told Refuel may not commit till it's too late so the dairy is going without them. I suppose Refuel is more focused on Hines Ward...LOL. Like that? That's what came to my mind as well.... |
| 2013-06-28 7:56 AM in reply to: axteraa |
| Elite 3779 Ontario | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by axteraa Originally posted by kcarroll Originally posted by GoFaster Originally posted by TSimone Tom - thanks so much for that post. I got in. Originally posted by GoFaster Thanks for the feedback all. Unfortunately for me, Masters does not fit with my life schedule, although swimming with a Tri group (simply by chance) for a few weeks really seemed to push me along, better than I could manage on my own. A swim coach would be ideal, but I can't justify the dollars at the moment - I feel like I need a bike fit more than swim coaching. I did try to get away with bargain dollars swim coaching a couple of winters ago and got what I paid for. What I may try to do is film myself swimming again, and see what feedback I get online. It's less than ideal, but better than nothing. Besides, I haven't seen myself swimming for a while, and I feel it's good to see how you actually look compared to how you think you look.
Neil - You could try to get in on this on ST. Not sure how quickly you'd have to sign up though. Hey Neil, I had also signed up for this. I don't think I've ever actually posted on ST but I read pretty regularly. I'm "sneaker" over there if you need to look at someone who struggles at an even slower pace. Which side are the two of you on? Slowman's or Dave's? Dave's. I read Slowman's first post and realized that a lot of what he's saying, I've tried. Plus I'm really curious about Dave's program so this is a great opportunity. If I remember right Fred gave it a try in the past, but I don't recall his feedback on it. |
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