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Ok..I just woke up 20min ago and now I.am.getting.on.the.bike. Spinervals Tuscon and I are going to get acquainted...I've had it for a few weeks and it is still in the plastic. Just making up my playlist now....... 


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mndymond - 2012-04-16 12:45 PM
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Fred D - 2012-04-15 8:55 PM
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Finished my TT climb in 22:08...which I'm very happy with. I'll have a full RR up when results are posted...I didn't stick around for the awards. Shaved 80 seconds off my time last year.

To Fred's point...I wasn't using my powertap for this race, but I would guess that from training results in the 24:30 range at 285 watts (no race gear, 2 bottles, and full saddle bag), I was pushing about 305-310 watts for this race. Yet I was 3 minutes slower than the winner who may be about 20 pounds lighter than me. I have no doubt they're pushing 330+ watts at probably 63 kg. So maybe 5 w/kg.

It's very humbling to race against true roadies...especially in their element...on the hills.

Yeah, except the guy who crushed me isn't a roadie....he's a triathlete lol. Truthfully he is a monster on the bike who occasionally I can beat if I get lucky. I out split him on the bike at Columbia last year, but he's a much better runner. Always someone faster than you.

Aw, Fred, I am pretty sure you drafted that whole race....
(in reference to that thread over in the Iron Distance Training Talk - You have been causing trouble all over the BT internets this past week...)

That bolded part sounds like a pretty good TOTW?

Hahaha! I just read that thread. Too funny...

LOL...as Fred said before...internet forums rarely dissapoint. 

2012-04-16 9:21 PM
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tri808 - 2012-04-16 9:36 PM
mndymond - 2012-04-16 12:45 PM
TankBoy - 2012-04-16 4:58 AM
Fred D - 2012-04-15 8:55 PM
tri808 - 2012-04-15 8:35 PM

Finished my TT climb in 22:08...which I'm very happy with. I'll have a full RR up when results are posted...I didn't stick around for the awards. Shaved 80 seconds off my time last year.

To Fred's point...I wasn't using my powertap for this race, but I would guess that from training results in the 24:30 range at 285 watts (no race gear, 2 bottles, and full saddle bag), I was pushing about 305-310 watts for this race. Yet I was 3 minutes slower than the winner who may be about 20 pounds lighter than me. I have no doubt they're pushing 330+ watts at probably 63 kg. So maybe 5 w/kg.

It's very humbling to race against true roadies...especially in their element...on the hills.

Yeah, except the guy who crushed me isn't a roadie....he's a triathlete lol. Truthfully he is a monster on the bike who occasionally I can beat if I get lucky. I out split him on the bike at Columbia last year, but he's a much better runner. Always someone faster than you.

Aw, Fred, I am pretty sure you drafted that whole race....
(in reference to that thread over in the Iron Distance Training Talk - You have been causing trouble all over the BT internets this past week...)

That bolded part sounds like a pretty good TOTW?

Hahaha! I just read that thread. Too funny...

LOL...as Fred said before...internet forums rarely dissapoint. 

I read it, too. I'm a fan of Chrissie's strategy, and have used he snot rocket thing while out training... I'm not good at those, so half ended up on my face, but whatever. It worked.

I also read that dude's post on ST. Wow. Troll.

I rode 26.2 today! I found a safe route to work. Not sure if/when I'll start riding, but it's nice to have the logistics down.

2012-04-17 4:30 AM
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So I have an Olly in a months time and a HIM in two, and the grand plan was to do an Iron distance next year, however I've come to realise that I do not have the discipline  to make use of the time I have without it having an affect on my family, I however really enjoys tri's and will continue to do Sprints and Ollys and if Sicone wants to do an Iron next year i will go cycling with him failing that we will probably just get more competitive  with each other over shorter distances Smile  So after the HIM i will bow out of this mentor group to make way for someone else to gain vast knowalge and great insprantion from a wonderfull bunch of triathletes.   

Thank you all for the support and knowledge passed on in this group and I wish everyone health and happiness in future endeavours 

2012-04-17 4:59 AM
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ChrisM - 2012-04-16 5:36 PM
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ChrisM - 2012-04-14 6:55 PM Question for the group on weight training. No, not should I or shouldn't I, but solely from vanity. . Now that I've lost some weight I am starting to see a little definition in my arms and chest ( a little, but hey). I'd like to just get some more defined muscles, so I look good in those aero shots on the bike. I am not interested in leg work, I get plenty of that. And only have the patience for about 20 minutes, maybe twice a week. I know there's a lifting forum and I can ask there, but can someone here recommend a quick circuit that just works arms, chest and abs? I always walk around the weight room and feel like I have no clue...... Again, I know it won't do much for S/B/R.

chris - you are looking to build some muscle volume which entails heavy weights, low reps.  Circuit training (HIIT type WOs) are not really going to give you what you need.  I can give you a few good workouts, just understand they have no possible cross over benefit other than to "look good".  2x week is sufficient, 20 mins may not be.  do you want me to post?

Is that true?  I really don't know.  Frankly, I am not willing to put in more than 20 mins, if that     And really don't want volume.  I just want to have a little indentation where my shoulder meets my bicep, know what I mean?    Heavy weight low reps does not sound like it goes well with tri training.....

Chris, I'll post a few different workouts, some circuit, some more traditional, but the only way to built muscle volume is to lift heavy. You are looking for some size in your delts/traps so that when in areo you get that "shoulder ball", right? And, no, heavy lifting is good for football, body building and a few other sports, but has almost no use in tri.


2012-04-17 5:02 AM
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Blinddave - 2012-04-17 5:30 AM

So I have an Olly in a months time and a HIM in two, and the grand plan was to do an Iron distance next year, however I've come to realise that I do not have the discipline  to make use of the time I have without it having an affect on my family, I however really enjoys tri's and will continue to do Sprints and Ollys and if Sicone wants to do an Iron next year i will go cycling with him failing that we will probably just get more competitive  with each other over shorter distances Smile  So after the HIM i will bow out of this mentor group to make way for someone else to gain vast knowalge and great insprantion from a wonderfull bunch of triathletes.   

Thank you all for the support and knowledge passed on in this group and I wish everyone health and happiness in future endeavours 

I hear you. There is an IM in my future as well as more training generally. But that is for when my daughters are teenagers and want nothing to do with me.
2012-04-17 5:31 AM
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ugggghhhh, so Friday night i go for my usual run, nothing special, a nice easy 6.5 miles with some hills, at about mile 5 i start getting that twinge in my upper Achilles lower calf, by mile 5.5 i am walking. Figured i would give it a couple days rest and se what happens, so i go to run last night and half mile into the run the pain is back.  Only happens when i run, this is the same injury i had in the winter of 2010 when i almost quit running.  Very disappointed right now, as i have a Du in 2 weeks and my Halfs in 7 weeks.  I will take a couple weeks off running, see how it feels in the Du and i might have to Aqua bike the first HIM. 

 

2012-04-17 6:13 AM
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Bad news on the injury Rudy. Hopefully you learned from the previous episode and were able to stop in time. I like your plan to give it two weeks, hopefully that is the answer.
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2012-04-17 6:47 AM
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Rudedog55 - 2012-04-17 3:31 AM

ugggghhhh, so Friday night i go for my usual run, nothing special, a nice easy 6.5 miles with some hills, at about mile 5 i start getting that twinge in my upper Achilles lower calf, by mile 5.5 i am walking. Figured i would give it a couple days rest and se what happens, so i go to run last night and half mile into the run the pain is back.  Only happens when i run, this is the same injury i had in the winter of 2010 when i almost quit running.  Very disappointed right now, as i have a Du in 2 weeks and my Halfs in 7 weeks.  I will take a couple weeks off running, see how it feels in the Du and i might have to Aqua bike the first HIM. 

 

Before you give up on running, I get something similar to what you describe.  Especially if I do not stay on top of stretching my calves.  I recommend getting a deep tissue message like Fred suggested or ART.  I go the ART route usually but I have done the message as well and either or work.  Granted your issue might be different but I'd at least give it a try.  For some reason I get one calf that gets extra tight.  It is on the same leg that I get the ITBS on if I am not careful so I am sure it is related to the same imbalance somehow

2012-04-17 6:55 AM
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Fred D - 2012-04-17 4:27 AM Had a good swim this am. Both of my bikes are in the shop with major issues. Hoping to get one back by Thursday to ride. I can do some maintenance such as cassette cleaning, changing cranks and pedals, however I need a new Front Der on the Slice and my Roubaix needs a new front shifter which I am not capable of. Sometimes I wish I knew more about bike mechanicals....

I am with you Fred.  I would love to do more on my bike, and I think I can, but I am also scared to mess it up.  Like when I changed all my cables on my mountain bike.  I managed to do it, but I had to wing it cause I forgot to take a look at how they were routed and where everything was before I hauled the old ones.  I even have a bike stand to work on them.  My mountain bike is at the shop right now actually, waiting for me to pick it up.  But I needed the shock overhauled.  Many bike shops won't even do that.

Looks like a move for me is coming soon.  Finally found a place in Payson (smack dab in the middle of the state) that will take the pets.  Looks like downsizing is coming though, place is quite a bit smaller then our house.  Anyone want to rent a house in Tucson?

2012-04-17 7:39 AM
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Blinddave - 2012-04-17 5:30 AM

So I have an Olly in a months time and a HIM in two, and the grand plan was to do an Iron distance next year, however I've come to realise that I do not have the discipline  to make use of the time I have without it having an affect on my family, I however really enjoys tri's and will continue to do Sprints and Ollys and if Sicone wants to do an Iron next year i will go cycling with him failing that we will probably just get more competitive  with each other over shorter distances Smile  So after the HIM i will bow out of this mentor group to make way for someone else to gain vast knowalge and great insprantion from a wonderfull bunch of triathletes.   

Thank you all for the support and knowledge passed on in this group and I wish everyone health and happiness in future endeavours 

I like the IM distance, but mentally every other year seems to work for me and I know my wife appreciates me not doing them every year.  My kids are grown and on their own, I have no idea how the guys with active kids pull off the IM training.  Those of you that do definitely have my respect (Fred).

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Rudedog55 - 2012-04-17 6:31 AM

ugggghhhh, so Friday night i go for my usual run, nothing special, a nice easy 6.5 miles with some hills, at about mile 5 i start getting that twinge in my upper Achilles lower calf, by mile 5.5 i am walking. Figured i would give it a couple days rest and se what happens, so i go to run last night and half mile into the run the pain is back.  Only happens when i run, this is the same injury i had in the winter of 2010 when i almost quit running.  Very disappointed right now, as i have a Du in 2 weeks and my Halfs in 7 weeks.  I will take a couple weeks off running, see how it feels in the Du and i might have to Aqua bike the first HIM. 

 

Sorry about the injury Rudy, I know that it can be frustrating, especially this time of year.



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Fred D - 2012-04-17 7:27 AM Had a good swim this am. Both of my bikes are in the shop with major issues. Hoping to get one back by Thursday to ride. I can do some maintenance such as cassette cleaning, changing cranks and pedals, however I need a new Front Der on the Slice and my Roubaix needs a new front shifter which I am not capable of. Sometimes I wish I knew more about bike mechanicals....

I have always wanted to take the course as well, especially learning how to adjust the derailleurs.  The rest I can usually muddle through with the books or online direction.  The do offer them at the LBS, but they seem to line up every winter with the winter running series in Rochester that I like to do.  So I will continue to tinker with it and when I inevitably wind up in trouble, I will haul it over to the shop.

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Rudedog55 - 2012-04-17 6:31 AM

ugggghhhh, so Friday night i go for my usual run, nothing special, a nice easy 6.5 miles with some hills, at about mile 5 i start getting that twinge in my upper Achilles lower calf, by mile 5.5 i am walking. Figured i would give it a couple days rest and se what happens, so i go to run last night and half mile into the run the pain is back.  Only happens when i run, this is the same injury i had in the winter of 2010 when i almost quit running.  Very disappointed right now, as i have a Du in 2 weeks and my Halfs in 7 weeks.  I will take a couple weeks off running, see how it feels in the Du and i might have to Aqua bike the first HIM. 

 

Rudy sorry to hear about your injury. I often have some part of my body in pain. I do my own massage and pressure point therapy. It works pretty well for me and I'm able to get the kinks out. When it's the same spot and persistent then I stopped.
2012-04-17 8:47 AM
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Fred D - 2012-04-17 7:27 AMHad a good swim this am.Both of my bikes are in the shop with major issues. Hoping to get one back by Thursday to ride.I can do some maintenance such as cassette cleaning, changing cranks and pedals, however I need a new Front Der on the Slice and my Roubaix needs a new front shifter which I am not capable of.Sometimes I wish I knew more about bike mechanicals....
Sorry to hear that both bikes are out of commission Fred. If I only lived closer I wouldn't mind at all doing bike maintenance for you.
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Rudedog55 - 2012-04-17 6:31 AM

ugggghhhh, so Friday night i go for my usual run, nothing special, a nice easy 6.5 miles with some hills, at about mile 5 i start getting that twinge in my upper Achilles lower calf, by mile 5.5 i am walking. Figured i would give it a couple days rest and se what happens, so i go to run last night and half mile into the run the pain is back.  Only happens when i run, this is the same injury i had in the winter of 2010 when i almost quit running.  Very disappointed right now, as i have a Du in 2 weeks and my Halfs in 7 weeks.  I will take a couple weeks off running, see how it feels in the Du and i might have to Aqua bike the first HIM. 

 

Sorry about the injury Rudy, I know that it can be frustrating, especially this time of year.

Agreed - just sucks - and it can be hard to know where to go ... do you rest completely? get massage? see a doctor? stop training?

Best of luck in managing this!



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Good morning!

We won our floor hockey game last night quite handily and secure 3rd place for the season.  Not too shabby. Good and hard running and a few good chances for me - but no goals. Playing this year has been fun but i am glad it's done because it's just been an extra thing to schedule.

I completely slept in this morning and my dog was very unimpressed with me for doing so for some reason. Kind of cute actually, waking up a chocolate lab hovering over me and sighing. hahaha.  So, that means I didn't get my bike done but i have time to do it tonight. A trainer interval session with a t-run.

I do need to book a massage for my heel. It's still inflamed but feels fine in training. Actually it was stiffer when swimming for some reason but that's it. We'll see when that can be accommodated.

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Blinddave - 2012-04-17 5:30 AM

So I have an Olly in a months time and a HIM in two, and the grand plan was to do an Iron distance next year, however I've come to realise that I do not have the discipline  to make use of the time I have without it having an affect on my family, I however really enjoys tri's and will continue to do Sprints and Ollys and if Sicone wants to do an Iron next year i will go cycling with him failing that we will probably just get more competitive  with each other over shorter distances Smile  So after the HIM i will bow out of this mentor group to make way for someone else to gain vast knowalge and great insprantion from a wonderfull bunch of triathletes.   

Thank you all for the support and knowledge passed on in this group and I wish everyone health and happiness in future endeavours 

I'm glad you've gotten some good help. IMs? Good question. I actually think I am done with them until maybe 3 or 4 years. They take a toll on your family life, work life and your body. I love parts of them, but need a physical and mental break to recharge the batteries. Truthfully I really like the HIM distance better.

I think that's a really honest decision.  It's something that many of struggle with is balancing it all.  And tris is a great sport and it's even better because you don't need to be 'iron' to be a triathlete.

I haven't really admitted it here but my IM this summer is really because I really want to do one but we want to start a family soon and I just can't see a better time and knowing i'll have a forced rest due to actual pregnancy when it happens (but that could be a while, who knows?). 

But the great thing about triathlon and endurance sport is that it will be possible to stay with the sport or one of them ... it really doesn't have to be all or nothing.  Though, it's tough to realize that this may be my last big tri season for a while.  I am generally not a 'one and done' kind of person ... anyway, we all have our own struggles.

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TSimone - 2012-04-17 10:09 AMSorry to hear about the injury Rudy. Hope you heal soon.

I wonder if some of the bike wrench folks could post a list of tools/must haves. I'd love to get to the point where I could build my own bike someday.

Even though I can and often do all of my own wrenching my bike winds up in the shop simply for time-management issues. I figure just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you HAVE too, right? where the skills really come into play is on race day and long rides of course. There have been a few occasions over the years where I would have DNFd if I were not intimately acquainted with my bike, including Lake Placid last summer.

For most things that you would regularly work on it is pretty clear what you need just by looking: screwdrivers, metric sockets, Allen wrenches, etc. I swap my cassettes out pretty frequently - you have to have chain whip and a special lock ring socket for that. Hub(cone) wrenches, spoke wrench, and truing stand are good if you bang your wheels around hard, but the most important tools I think you can have is a good pair of torque wrenches: a smaller click-type for the small stuff and a bigger beam type for the big stuff. Without a torque wrench most folks have the tendency to over-tighten everything.

On our fancy carbon bikes that can be a very bad thing.In my road repair kit I carry two spares, patches, 4 Co2s, a boot, levers, razor blade, tape, multi-tool that has a chain breaker, a quick link, and a schrader to presta adapter.

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2012-04-17 10:32 AM
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TankBoy - 2012-04-17 8:27 AM
TSimone - 2012-04-17 10:09 AMSorry to hear about the injury Rudy. Hope you heal soon.

I wonder if some of the bike wrench folks could post a list of tools/must haves. I'd love to get to the point where I could build my own bike someday.

Even though I can and often do all of my own wrenching my bike winds up in the shop simply for time-management issues. I figure just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you HAVE too, right? where the skills really come into play is on race day and long rides of course. There have been a few occasions over the years where I would have DNFd if I were not intimately acquainted with my bike, including Lake Placid last summer.For most things that you would regularly work on it is pretty clear what you need just by looking: screwdrivers, metric sockets, Allen wrenches, etc. I swap my cassettes out pretty frequently - you have to have chain whip and a special lock ring socket for that. Hub(cone) wrenches, spoke wrench, and truing stand are good if you bang your wheels around hard, but the most important tools I think you can have is a good pair of torque wrenches: a smaller click-type for the small stuff and a bigger beam type for the big stuff. Without a torque wrench most folks have the tendency to over-tighten everything. On our fancy carbon bikes that can be a very bad thing.In my road repair kit I carry two spares, patches, 4 Co2s, a boot, levers, razor blade, tape, multi-tool that has a chain breaker, a quick link, and a schrader to presta adapter.

+1 on the torque wrenches.  I do not have them and as a result I do the opposite of over-tighten things (cause of the carbon).  I found myself riding along and had to stop and retighten my bolts after reassembling things from unpacking.   opps

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