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 2011-01-17 4:37 PM in reply to: #3098185 |
 Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official ThreadBrett - Welcome to the LP thread LP is an awesome family destination. My (at the time) 4-year-old and 6-year-old had a blast. Mirror Lake Beach is awesome for the family, there are a ton of restaurants and shops, we went to the North Pole, NY ( http://www.northpoleny.com/ I'm probably going to run a 12-27 cassette at LP. Losing some top-end speed will be fine, the Keene descent is scary enough without pushing your biggest gear!! I'd rather have a few extra bailout granny gears for the Notch climb at 100 miles. Lastly, Race Day Wheels has been awesome. I rented from them twice and both times Marc was awesome!! Very responsive to e-mails, phone calls, and very accomodating. The only thing is they do not give you a cassette, and that's a good thing as you want to use the cassette you trained on for your long rides as 'your' cassette tends to 'marry' to 'your' chain If you get the chance, go up to LP for a training weekend in June. |
| 2011-01-17 4:41 PM in reply to: #3304560 |
| Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread RJohnson1979 - 2011-01-17 2:37 PM mogulbumm - 2011-01-17 1:05 PM d. Ok, this one is more of a request than a question. It appears that a great number of BT folk will be at this race and I'd love the opportunity to actually meet you (nice to put faces to posts). So, it is possible that you all wear the exact same shirt/helmet/swimsuit as your avatar and stay in the same pose so I can recognize you? Haha. I actually laughed out loud when I read this part. Welcome Brett! I just started triathlon last year as well! Ryan Maybe we can all meet outside the pre-party pasta dinner. Last year I didn't go to the dinner, but this year I am planning, too as it enhances the experience. Oh, and I am starting a "Merchandise Fund" now. At the Expo is a huge tent full of Lake Placid hats, mugs, racing and bike kits, coats, jersey's ... and the day after is all the "Finishers Merchandise" including really nice coats... and most people are going to want to buy stuff for friends and family. Last year I dropped around $250 bucks without even trying. And all the best stuff sells out early!!
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| 2011-01-17 4:56 PM in reply to: #3304560 |
Pro  4672     Nutmeg State | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread RJohnson1979 - 2011-01-17 2:37 PM mogulbumm - 2011-01-17 1:05 PM d. Ok, this one is more of a request than a question. It appears that a great number of BT folk will be at this race and I'd love the opportunity to actually meet you (nice to put faces to posts). So, it is possible that you all wear the exact same shirt/helmet/swimsuit as your avatar and stay in the same pose so I can recognize you? Haha. I actually laughed out loud when I read this part. Welcome Brett! I just started triathlon last year as well! Ryan At IMLou in 2008, BT had obnoxious bright yellow shirts and they really helped to identify people. Without them I may never have met my future husband. |
| 2011-01-18 12:42 PM in reply to: #3304358 |
Master 1410 White Plains NY | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread mogulbumm - 2011-01-17 1:05 PM 11-28: 11-12-13-14-15-17-19-21-24-28 T. Welcome Brett! I'd keep the 12-25 on there unless climbing is a huge issue for you. A 34x28 would let you climb up a vertical wall! haha! I am actually switching from a 39x53 standard to a compact and I will be keeping my 12-25. I am liking the spread of gears on the 12x25 better than the 11x28. |
| 2011-01-18 12:51 PM in reply to: #3306656 |
Champion 11989 Philly 'burbs | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread wstchstrTriathlete - 2011-01-18 1:42 PM mogulbumm - 2011-01-17 1:05 PM 11-28: 11-12-13-14-15-17-19-21-24-28 T. Welcome Brett! I'd keep the 12-25 on there unless climbing is a huge issue for you. A 34x28 would let you climb up a vertical wall! . Yes, the Westernport Wall. I think the gearing question can be difficult if people don't know their capabilities. For some people, 25 might not be enough even at Placid. Get out and ride the same hills with different cassettes and see how they feel. |
| 2011-01-18 1:48 PM in reply to: #3304998 |
Master 2912 ...at home in The ATL | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread Dream Chaser - 2011-01-17 5:37 PM I'm probably going to run a 12-27 cassette at LP. Losing some top-end speed will be fine, the Keene descent is scary enough without pushing your biggest gear!! I'd rather have a few extra bailout granny gears for the Notch climb at 100 miles.  Hey DC - just to clarify - are you planning to run a 12-27 on a compact or standard crank? |
| 2011-01-18 6:33 PM in reply to: #3098185 |
| Veteran 319 | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread Hi Everyone! |
| 2011-01-18 7:14 PM in reply to: #3307469 |
Champion 19812 MA | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread RJohnson1979 - 2011-01-18 7:33 PM Hi Everyone! They have bottles with sports top on them on the course. Just FYI, I trained with the powdered version of the drink for 5 months before IMFL and really liked it. I bought some ready to drink about 6 weeks before the race to do a long training ride with it. I found the ready to drink tasted way different and awful than the powdered version both of lemon lime. 6 weeks out from IM I changed my nutrition as I knew I couldn't drink that the whole day. If you tried powder be sure to try ready to drink sooner than later so you know if you can tolerate it. |
| 2011-01-18 8:36 PM in reply to: #3098185 |
Champion 19812 MA | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread Lots of good information on this website about Lake Placid. In my AG last year 12% didn't finish out of 49 that started and next AG up 27% didn't finish...maybe I shouldn't have looked at that number. |
| 2011-01-18 10:33 PM in reply to: #3307469 |
Veteran 265 Boston | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread RJohnson1979 - 2011-01-18 7:33 PM Hi Everyone! I've been training on Infinit and plan on that for the day. I'm tweaking my formula with their help to tailor it for me. Two concentrated bottles on my xlab wing. Speedfil for water. Refill water at aid stations as needed. Heavy flavor doesn't sit well with me and the Ironman endurance stuff makes me feel bloated. I can dial the Infinit flavor way down and I seem to digest it much easier. I may decide not to concentrate it and just swap bottles at special needs. |
| 2011-01-19 8:51 AM in reply to: #3098185 |
| Veteran 319 | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread Kathy and mogul - Thanks for the nutrition advice. I'll try the premixed in a bottle to see if I like it any better. Kathy - That website is very interesting and helpful! I just bought that book by him but haven't read it yet... only skimmed parts of it. RYan  |
| 2011-01-19 9:48 AM in reply to: #3304358 |
Master 1927 Guilford, CT | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread Brett, I'd probably go 12/27 and give that a shot (if you don't care about missing a couple of gears in the middle than maybe 11/28 too). You really won't need the 11 all that much and if you are spinning out a 50/12 it means you are going over 35mph. For a 6:30 planned bike split it would be time to back off anyway. I would probably want something a little more for a bailout than a 25 in your case. It's been beaten to death here and on slowtwitch and sounds like you've already read through. Racedaywheels is good. If you don't have a cheaper option with an LBS near you I wouldn't hesitate. I've used them before I had my own wheels and Marc was very responsive to questions and everything went super smooth. welcome aboard edit: I will borrow Fred's post as he covered it last year and there should be an FAQ on Lake Placid course to make it easier to find for newer people imo....not a lot of good organization/navigation to dig up good nuggets of information: Just thought I would throw in some basics in case anybody is new to all this.: From Fred: 1. Front Gearing... Standard is often a double ring with 53 teeth on the big ring, 39 teeth on the small ring (53/39) 2. A compact front implies some changes in the rings. Less teeth in front means easier to peddle... like uphill. 50-53/34 is a common ratio. If you bike on big hills you might like this. 3. A triple in front allows another even smaller ring in front to make for even easier gearing. A lot of cyclists are snobish against triples in front, but there was a great thread on ST before Lake Placid by a guy named Paul Devashi about this. He is a usual Kona qualifier and he was saying that at least half the field should be using a triple at Lake Placid.... especially if you are riding over 6.5 hours for the bike (which is more than 1/2 the field at LP). My tri bike has a 53/39 in front and I have enough gearing for anything in Central PA. My road bike has a triple. I don't use the smallest front ring much, but I don't feel dumb for having it. 4. Gearing in the rear cassette. less teeth makes for a HARDER gear... ie; faster. 11-28 is the usual range that the cassettes will be made. Common combos: 11-23 12-25 12-27 . A top cyclist like Rick (Daremo) will use an 11-23 (I think?). I use a 12-25. 12-27 is a very common and good choice as well. Again, refering to that ST thread, Paul said (and I agree) that most people are improperly geared... that is they ride a 12-25, when they SHOULD ride a 12-27. Here was his post: 5:30 or less 39x25 5:40 or less 39x27 6:00 or less 34x25 >6:00 34x27 >6:30 GET A TRIPLE http://forum.slowtwitch.com/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_flat;post=18494... Yet many people ride a 12-25 in back and a 39 small ring in front (as I do, but I did ride in the 5:20s at Lake Placid), and they should be riding much easier gearing. Edited by acumenjay 2011-01-19 9:53 AM |
| 2011-01-19 10:19 AM in reply to: #3098185 |
Regular 113 NYC | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread My training has been going well. I've been managing to get in about 2 hours a day, 6 days a week and coming off a few fall marathons and an ultra, my running base is pretty solid. Started swimming this week and hit the pool twice (last Jan I hit the pool zero times, so already this is an improvement). I need to get some spin classes though, the time on the stationary bike is pretty dull and it's too cold for me to ride outside. Anyone know of any NYC spin classes with good instructors that are at the YMCA (I have a city wide membership b/c there is one across the street from my apt, but so far, their spin instructors kinda suck). Also, I'm helping to start an NYC Tri club this March, sponsors are on board and we're getting even more... it's gonna be rad! PM me if you're interested, or if you can answer my spin instructor question!! Good luck everyone! ----- Cederick who coaches spin classes at the NYHRC on 50th street btwn Madison and 5th is a multiple Ironman finisher. I think he has two IMs on his race schedule this year. He did LP last year but did not do well. Very nice guy and willing to talk triathlon and training if you want to pick his brain. |
| 2011-01-19 6:53 PM in reply to: #3307469 |
Regular 118 Grand Rapids | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread It got me thinking about bike hydration during the race. How do most people have their hydration set up on the bike? I am thinking a profile aero drink in the aero bars and another bottle on the seat tube. But I was wondering, how does it work if you want to refill your bottle while on the course? I also have the Ironman Perform powder. For my last IM I had a profile aero bottle on my bike and then two other bottles, one on the seat tube and one on the down tube. Like it was mentioned earlier they will give you mixed bottles of perform. I was thinking of switching to Infinit. I sampled some at the IM Louisville Expo and really liked it. The taste was much better than I expected. I haven't had a problem with the Perform but I know there were a lot of Pro's that didn't care for it during IMLP last year. |
| 2011-01-19 10:33 PM in reply to: #3098185 |
Veteran 265 Boston | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread If I change my 12-25 to a 12-27 will that require any chain length adjustment? I've changed a lot of bike stuff, but mostly because I came from a crazy MTN biking background and kept breaking stuff. Changing parts out for performance reasons is new to me |
| 2011-01-20 5:48 AM in reply to: #3310233 |
Champion 19812 MA | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread mogulbumm - 2011-01-19 11:33 PM If I change my 12-25 to a 12-27 will that require any chain length adjustment? I've changed a lot of bike stuff, but mostly because I came from a crazy MTN biking background and kept breaking stuff. Changing parts out for performance reasons is new to me Most likely your chain will work find from a length stand point unless the chain was cut weird. I have run anywhere from 11-23 to 11-28 on same chain. How many miles on your current chain? I put a new chain on twice a year about every 2-2500 miles as it keeps cassette from wearing. |
| 2011-01-20 8:54 AM in reply to: #3310395 |
Veteran 265 Boston | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread Most likely your chain will work find from a length stand point unless the chain was cut weird. I have run anywhere from 11-23 to 11-28 on same chain. How many miles on your current chain? I put a new chain on twice a year about every 2-2500 miles as it keeps cassette from wearing. Stock chain from a fairly new Cervelo P2c. Nothing changed out on the bike yet except the seat Good advice on changing out the chain. I'll probably hit that range this spring so I'll drop a new chain on a month or two before the race Thanks!Brett |
| 2011-01-20 11:05 AM in reply to: #3306830 |
| Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread TankBoy - 2011-01-18 2:48 PM Dream Chaser - 2011-01-17 5:37 PM I'm probably going to run a 12-27 cassette at LP. Losing some top-end speed will be fine, the Keene descent is scary enough without pushing your biggest gear!! I'd rather have a few extra bailout granny gears for the Notch climb at 100 miles. Hey DC - just to clarify - are you planning to run a 12-27 on a compact or standard crank? It's a standard Ultegra 6700. |
| 2011-01-20 11:22 AM in reply to: #3307710 |
| Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread KathyG - 2011-01-18 9:36 PM Lots of good information on this website about Lake Placid. In my AG last year 12% didn't finish out of 49 that started and next AG up 27% didn't finish...maybe I shouldn't have looked at that number. AWESOME SITE!! Thanks Kathy Very well-detailed breakdown of the Bike Course. |
| 2011-01-20 4:01 PM in reply to: #3098185 |
| Regular 89 Crofton, MD | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread I used Infinite Nutrition during IMCDA, total liquid, I knoew exactly hoe many calories I was intaking, no worries about bars or gu. I dialed it in during training and never had any stomach issues. Whatever you chose, start training with it and tweak it along the way. The number one reason for not completing the race is due to nutrition... start now. |
| 2011-01-20 7:24 PM in reply to: #3098185 |
Master 1410 White Plains NY | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread I will be up in Lake Placid for 7 days total for race week. A large chunk of my family will be with me for most of the week. I need ideas for activities for them to do in the area to keep them busy and for them to have fun. My idea of fun that week is a bit different, if you know what I mean  Post away! |
| 2011-01-20 9:02 PM in reply to: #3098185 |
Regular 69 Silver Spring, Maryland | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread Great site Kathy, thanks for the info. Any Marylanders want to meet for workouts please let me know. Would be great to do some training together. |
| 2011-01-20 9:29 PM in reply to: #3312496 |
| Veteran 319 | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread dweeks - 2011-01-20 10:02 PM Great site Kathy, thanks for the info. Any Marylanders want to meet for workouts please let me know. Would be great to do some training together. dweeks - Ever get down to DC? I live downtown. What part of Maryland? I could use some good hills when it gets warm! Ryan |
| 2011-01-20 10:41 PM in reply to: #3311137 |
Master 2912 ...at home in The ATL | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread Dream Chaser - 2011-01-20 12:05 PM TankBoy - 2011-01-18 2:48 PM Dream Chaser - 2011-01-17 5:37 PM I'm probably going to run a 12-27 cassette at LP. Losing some top-end speed will be fine, the Keene descent is scary enough without pushing your biggest gear!! I'd rather have a few extra bailout granny gears for the Notch climb at 100 miles. Hey DC - just to clarify - are you planning to run a 12-27 on a compact or standard crank? It's a standard Ultegra 6700. Cool DC - that is an important factor in the equation when trying to figure out proper gearing for a race like IMLP. A standard crank (53/39) with a12-27 cassette has a gain ratio spread of 2.9 to 8.9, while a compact crank 50/34 combined with a 12-25 cassette has a gain ratio of 2.7 to 8.4 - less top end, but a little more low gear for climbing. That's why I swap my cassette 12 for an 11 for rides/races with big descents. It gives me a 9.2 top end (which I rarely if ever push) that allows me to keep just a little pressure on the pedals on long descents. I have found that for me, this little bit of push keeps my legs fresh and ready to go for the subsequent climbs. Even on more normal descents, I often find that I spin out with a 12/50 combo. Of course, I may just need to learn to spin faster For what it is worth, an 11/23 on a compact is probably much closer in gain ratio (3.0 to 9.2) to a standard with a 12/27. I just like a little more granny for the big stuff. Of course as always, YMMV. And then there is always the crank-arm length discussion - I'll make some popcorn - anybody else want some? |
| 2011-01-21 12:07 AM in reply to: #3098185 |
| 78 | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread TankBoy - 2010-09-14 2:28 PM 1. Is this your first IM? |
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