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2012-04-17 10:44 AM
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TSimone - 2012-04-17 10:09 AMI wonder if some of the bike wrench folks could post a list of tools/must haves. I'd love to get to the point where I could build my own bike someday.
Tomorrow is my Saturday so I should have time to post my (or a short) tool list.The thing is some bikes use certain size tools than other bikes. Not talking about special tools. So if I post a 10mm wrench (which is common) your bike may not use it etc....


2012-04-17 10:51 AM
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Rudy - agree that this is a specially tough time of the year to get a nagging injury. Sounds like you are getting lots of good advice if you are suffering a tendonosis-type overuse injury: massage therapy, ice, rest. The only thing I might add is to get a professional diagnosis if you have not, because that could all be counterproductive advice if it is something else. Based on my own experience if it turns out to be tendonosis DTMT can knock it out pretty quickly and you can manage it as James suggests on your own afterward. If it is tendonosis I suggest you lay off the NSAIDs as well - tendonosis is a non-inflammatory injury and NSAIDs have been pretty well proven to actually slow the recovery from such. I have so many tendon issues (achilles, hips) that I simply avoid NSSAIDs entirely. Again based solely on my own experience my best advice is to see a doc ASAP - I used to put it off forever trying to figure it out on my own and I have just learned that the professionals that work with athletes really do actually know what they are doing!

As with any Internet forum diagnosis, YMMV.

2012-04-17 11:10 AM
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Rudy, just keep monitoring it.  I had a calf strain late last year.  Had to stop immediately and just took a break from running for 4 days.  During that time I did a lot of self massage.  Slowly came back to running at it worked out.  Like Fred said...don't panic and be patient.

As far as tools and wrenching.  I can do the basics.  Changing cassettes and general tuning...changing pedals, etc.  Haven't yet taken apart the crank though, and no experience changing cables.  My tool kit that I keep in my car is a chain whip, lock ring tool, adjustable wrench, assorted allen wrenches, plyers (for master link), screw driver, wire cutters, and scissors.

2012-04-17 12:13 PM
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bzgl40 - 2012-04-17 11:32 AM
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TSimone - 2012-04-17 10:09 AMSorry to hear about the injury Rudy. Hope you heal soon.

I wonder if some of the bike wrench folks could post a list of tools/must haves. I'd love to get to the point where I could build my own bike someday.

Even though I can and often do all of my own wrenching my bike winds up in the shop simply for time-management issues. I figure just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you HAVE too, right? where the skills really come into play is on race day and long rides of course. There have been a few occasions over the years where I would have DNFd if I were not intimately acquainted with my bike, including Lake Placid last summer.For most things that you would regularly work on it is pretty clear what you need just by looking: screwdrivers, metric sockets, Allen wrenches, etc. I swap my cassettes out pretty frequently - you have to have chain whip and a special lock ring socket for that. Hub(cone) wrenches, spoke wrench, and truing stand are good if you bang your wheels around hard, but the most important tools I think you can have is a good pair of torque wrenches: a smaller click-type for the small stuff and a bigger beam type for the big stuff. Without a torque wrench most folks have the tendency to over-tighten everything. On our fancy carbon bikes that can be a very bad thing.In my road repair kit I carry two spares, patches, 4 Co2s, a boot, levers, razor blade, tape, multi-tool that has a chain breaker, a quick link, and a schrader to presta adapter.

+1 on the torque wrenches.  I do not have them and as a result I do the opposite of over-tighten things (cause of the carbon).  I found myself riding along and had to stop and retighten my bolts after reassembling things from unpacking.   opps

I agree on getting the torque wrench with the carbon bikes.  I bought a torque key that is 6mm which covered 95% of the hex bolts on my road bike (can't remember the nm without looking), but when I bought the speed concept I don't think they used 2 bolts the same size or that required the same torque so I bought a torque wrench with the sockets in a kit.  Good investment considering the consequences of not properly torquing something on the bike.

2012-04-17 12:22 PM
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Rudedog55 - 2012-04-17 3:31 AM

ugggghhhh, so Friday night i go for my usual run, nothing special, a nice easy 6.5 miles with some hills, at about mile 5 i start getting that twinge in my upper Achilles lower calf, by mile 5.5 i am walking. Figured i would give it a couple days rest and se what happens, so i go to run last night and half mile into the run the pain is back.  Only happens when i run, this is the same injury i had in the winter of 2010 when i almost quit running.  Very disappointed right now, as i have a Du in 2 weeks and my Halfs in 7 weeks.  I will take a couple weeks off running, see how it feels in the Du and i might have to Aqua bike the first HIM. 

 

Rudy, I feel you man.   I think 2012 ... so far.... is the first year I have not had a variation of this same injury.  For me it kept me out a couple weeks, but usually never more than that.  Can you feel a knot in the area?  Hopefully you can clear it up quickly enough to get a couple runs in before the HIM.  ART, self massage (deep and make it hurt, try using Traumeel on it for the massage) and ice seemed to help.

2012-04-17 12:26 PM
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Fred D - 2012-04-17 4:21 AM
Blinddave - 2012-04-17 5:30 AM

So I have an Olly in a months time and a HIM in two, and the grand plan was to do an Iron distance next year, however I've come to realise that I do not have the discipline  to make use of the time I have without it having an affect on my family, I however really enjoys tri's and will continue to do Sprints and Ollys and if Sicone wants to do an Iron next year i will go cycling with him failing that we will probably just get more competitive  with each other over shorter distances Smile  So after the HIM i will bow out of this mentor group to make way for someone else to gain vast knowalge and great insprantion from a wonderfull bunch of triathletes.   

Thank you all for the support and knowledge passed on in this group and I wish everyone health and happiness in future endeavours 

I'm glad you've gotten some good help. IMs? Good question. I actually think I am done with them until maybe 3 or 4 years. They take a toll on your family life, work life and your body. I love parts of them, but need a physical and mental break to recharge the batteries. Truthfully I really like the HIM distance better.

My wife said last weekend, and I think I agree, that the HIM is the perfect distance.  It is a true challenge and you can go relatively hard and push yourself to go faster, it's not the long slog fest many of us do/did for IM, but it's also not an Oly that you can finish on a modicum of fitness (but Olys and sprints still hurt - bad - if youa re going as fast as you can).  Can train well and still maintain a semblance of a life for most of us.  Much easier to spectate.  Can race in the morning and still do something in the afternoon, go out to dinner, enjoy the next day, etc.



2012-04-17 12:37 PM
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Blinddave - 2012-04-17 2:30 AM

So I have an Olly in a months time and a HIM in two, and the grand plan was to do an Iron distance next year, however I've come to realise that I do not have the discipline  to make use of the time I have without it having an affect on my family, I however really enjoys tri's and will continue to do Sprints and Ollys and if Sicone wants to do an Iron next year i will go cycling with him failing that we will probably just get more competitive  with each other over shorter distances Smile  So after the HIM i will bow out of this mentor group to make way for someone else to gain vast knowalge and great insprantion from a wonderfull bunch of triathletes.   

Thank you all for the support and knowledge passed on in this group and I wish everyone health and happiness in future endeavours 

I was always thinking I would do a IM, then I decided I really didn't.  I love the training for a HIM but not sure I want to do more.  I every now and then get the itch again for the IM but then I train for a HIM and recall why I don't want to do them again.    I almost signed up for one in July but now I am glad I didn't

2012-04-17 1:19 PM
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*For now*, I agree with a lot of opinions about IM.  I haven't done one, and for sure I'd like to do one eventually...but I'm in no rush.  I also don't see myself doing too many of them...maybe a 2-3 total.  Maybe even just one if I have a really good debut.

I have a lot of other racing interests...primarily bike racing and TTs that I'm much better at.

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2012-04-17 2:13 PM
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Hell, i can't even stay healthy long enough to compete at the half distance the way i want to.

I have always said i would never do an IM, and this latest leg injury issue only reinforces my thoughts on that. 

That being said, i would still like to be able to run, i do not mind running a couple times a week, 3-5 miles a shot, to keep healthy and stay in running shape for cyclocross. The swimming, i could really do without that, i do not love it, nor hate it, it is a necessary evil for Tri's.  I could not imagine doing the work for a full Iron distance in the pool.

 

2012-04-17 3:10 PM
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Rudedog55 - 2012-04-17 3:13 PM

Hell, i can't even stay healthy long enough to compete at the half distance the way i want to.

I have always said i would never do an IM, and this latest leg injury issue only reinforces my thoughts on that. 

That being said, i would still like to be able to run, i do not mind running a couple times a week, 3-5 miles a shot, to keep healthy and stay in running shape for cyclocross. The swimming, i could really do without that, i do not love it, nor hate it, it is a necessary evil for Tri's.  I could not imagine doing the work for a full Iron distance in the pool.

 

put some tape on it sissy... i'll call you later.



2012-04-17 3:57 PM
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Rudedog55 - 2012-04-17 3:13 PM

Hell, i can't even stay healthy long enough to compete at the half distance the way i want to.

I have always said i would never do an IM, and this latest leg injury issue only reinforces my thoughts on that. 

That being said, i would still like to be able to run, i do not mind running a couple times a week, 3-5 miles a shot, to keep healthy and stay in running shape for cyclocross. The swimming, i could really do without that, i do not love it, nor hate it, it is a necessary evil for Tri's.  I could not imagine doing the work for a full Iron distance in the pool.

 

Learn to love with you hate or dislike. Swimming is low impact in the common sense,great for maintaining fitness doing injuries (non swim related) and you can develop an awesome core.
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2012-04-17 6:23 PM
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So the weather forecast this weekend is for 95 or so, depending on who you ask, for my Oly in Vegas on Sat.  As a bigger guy I wilt in the heat (Oceanside at 65 was perfect weather)  The high temps won't be hit until 3 pm or so and I'll be long done by then, but it will still be hot by the time I finish, maybe upper 80s.  It's also a very hilly course.

So I need your techniques for hot racing

I will be hydrating fiercely this week, especially Th-Fri. 

I have ditched any plan of podium and plan on just pacing it wisely and going slow. 

I will be wearing de soto skin coolers, and a local BTer is bringing me an iced bottle for the run (thanks Jim!). 

I recently bought an aero helmet that has vents, but may just go with the road helmet with a de soto cooler beanie, although the bike likely won't be that hot.

I am just thankful I didn't sign up for the half

Any other thoughts/ideas?

2012-04-17 6:45 PM
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ChrisM - 2012-04-17 6:23 PM

So the weather forecast this weekend is for 95 or so, depending on who you ask, for my Oly in Vegas on Sat.  As a bigger guy I wilt in the heat (Oceanside at 65 was perfect weather)  The high temps won't be hit until 3 pm or so and I'll be long done by then, but it will still be hot by the time I finish, maybe upper 80s.  It's also a very hilly course.

So I need your techniques for hot racing

I will be hydrating fiercely this week, especially Th-Fri. 

I have ditched any plan of podium and plan on just pacing it wisely and going slow. 

I will be wearing de soto skin coolers, and a local BTer is bringing me an iced bottle for the run (thanks Jim!). 

I recently bought an aero helmet that has vents, but may just go with the road helmet with a de soto cooler beanie, although the bike likely won't be that hot.

I am just thankful I didn't sign up for the half

Any other thoughts/ideas?

I say go with the aero helmet. I feel like I stay plenty cool in mine. Have done two IM's in 80 degree temps and humid and the aero helmet was the least of my worries. I did a lot of really hot races last year ie 85 + and lots of humidity. Be aware you will be warm on the bike but you probably won't realize it while your cooking yourself. Once you hit the run it all catches up with you. Just make sure you keep hydrating and save something for the run.
2012-04-17 6:55 PM
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Keep in mind that HOT does not always mean drink more.  Drink to thirst.  Vegas is dry, so you may feel really hot, but not be sweating that much.  Use any extra water to shoot yourself down.  Keep your skin wet and that will help dissapate heat.



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2012-04-17 8:41 PM
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This is where I took a note from Bryan's training.  I knew Texas would be hot (I assumed hotter) and I made sure my runs where in the heat.  I put enough in early to ensure I still got some high quality work but I even did my intervals during the heat.  I thought Texas was kind of cool.  When you read other reports others are saying hot.  The moral of the story is to just listen to Bryan. 

That is all too late for you of course Chris.  I would say it is key to hydrate throughout the week though.  Just regular hydration, you'll be fine. 

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2012-04-17 8:49 PM
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TSimone - 2012-04-17 6:48 PM Bike question.  I was going to buy a new Felt B16 soon, like next week, but I have an opportunity to get a 2011 B14 new and unused for $1450.  I haven't compared the geometry but I almost can't pass this up if it's a stock bike.  Is there something about a 2011 B14 that makes it undesirable?  B16 is $2200. 

Wasn't that the one with the fork issue? 

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All,

Been out of it for a few days.  Had a great visit at my parents place, but then came down sick with chills, fever, etc. and now on the mend.

Lots to try and catch up on with the thread.

Rudy - I hope the legs heals fast.  Running injuries are the biggest PITA, and the ones that cause me the biggest loss of motivation.

2012-04-18 4:04 AM
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Had a really good group ride.  Lots of hammering.

Tri Talk has been getting quite "touchy" lately.  Funny how people take internet forums so seriously.

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