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JJ- - 2013-01-03 5:05 AM

Yanti,

Great idea on the frame by frame. I never even thought about that.

1) Over rotate head: Do I need to roll my body more or am I just coming up out of the water too much? I have read and watched videos from swimsmooth and will continue to study there. Because of Total Immersion I actually didn't even start kicking until 2 weeks ago. (yes I swam my first triathlon without one kick). Those images help and I'll work on that

2) I can't really visualize exactly what my arm is supposed to do under water. I can see from the screen shot that my elbow is down and I know that is wrong but not sure what is right?

3/4) I remember reading that at swim smooth and will work on that as well.

Paddles) I bought the Speedo IM Tech Paddles for the reason of developing better upper body strength in the pool 

2) That's a tough one. In terms of imagery, think about the pool-ledge one and the square-package one. Imagine your elbow skimming the surface of the water as you pull back (again, that's an exaggeration like entering at 10 and 2, but it'll probably get your arm pulling position just right) ... but the elbow is not jabbing back; the fingers are pointing straight down to the bottom of the pool.

Paddles: at this point I'd use them only the way I described, for at the most 4x25 as part of a warm-up.



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TriAya - 2013-01-02 2:01 PM
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TriAya - 2013-01-02 2:53 PM

Skrat, you've become a very fine swim coach and that is good advice ...

I echo that fundamentally, you have a nice streamlined body position and both your form and speed are excellent as an adult-onset swimmer.

I encourage everyone to watch their videos frame-by-frame. You will self-observe many points of both achievement and for improvement.

Here's what I saw to work on. (see attached pics for reference)

1. When you breathe, you over-rotate your head AND lift it up out of the water. Your body has to compensate somehow for the de-balancing (your head should be nicely in line with your body rotation to breathe; the head moves by itself very little or not at all) ... we tend to see this either in the opposite arm pushing water down (instead of back) in order to support or make the head pop up OR ---> what you do, which is take a bigger kick with the leg. If you look at shot 1 carefully, you can make out that your legs are quite far apart. There are many ways to try to achieve imprinting this. If I were you, I'd carefully read and try to implement everything in the Beginner and Intermediate KICK sections of swimsmooth.com. I would FIRST try to keep your head in rotation with your body (and try to be mindful of what your legs are doing when you breathe); secondarily I'd work on the kick, especially keeping in mind two things: extend your feet (like a point, but relaxed--comes from the ankle, not by pointing toes, but that is the effect) and turn your big toes slightly inward, and pretend you are holding a coin in between your butt cheeks. For some reason those images sometimes help people to originate the kick from the hips.

***2. most important is what your arm is doing UNDER the water. The analogy of being on the edge of the pool helps; I also think of folding my arm in a 90-degreeish angle over the top of a square package, then pulling that package straight backward. Think of breaststroke (the beginning of the pull there and in freestyle are nearly identical): you can't do it if your arms are straight. You have to bend them to pull. Same in freestyle: having the arm straight-ish in the water is not an efficient/effective pull for distance swimming.

3/4. Your R arm tends to cross over the midline, and this seems to lead more to the straight-arm pulling as above. Try to think of your hands entering the water at 10am and 2pm on a clock; that’s an overexaggeration, but will probably effect just the right angle for entry.

paddles--did you ask about paddles? What kind did you get? Use them VERY sparingly at first, and definitely without the wrist loop--just looped onto your middle finger. If your pull is good, solid and well-formed, the paddles will stay on.

Ohhh yeeeerrr alive! More than alive, damn, so thorough too! Screen shots even? Pssssshh! 

Hot piglet swimming ALWAYS gets my attention, as opposed to pictures that, while truly breathtakingly beautiful, especially their subject, are so cold they're making my tongue stick to the roof of my mouth.

Maybe that's the pistachio nuts.

Only one hour 'til McD's pancakes ...

Could your royal Yanti-ness PLEASE expand on the bolded part? Coach Jason tells me (us) to quickly take our breath and put our head back down. It is very different than anything i've seen or read and it feels un-natural (not that anything swimming related is natural for me). Are you saying the head should rotate with the body?

2013-01-02 3:19 PM
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rrrunner - 2013-01-03 5:12 AM
TriAya - 2013-01-02 2:01 PM
Asalzwed - 2013-01-03 4:58 AM
TriAya - 2013-01-02 2:53 PM

Skrat, you've become a very fine swim coach and that is good advice ...

I echo that fundamentally, you have a nice streamlined body position and both your form and speed are excellent as an adult-onset swimmer.

I encourage everyone to watch their videos frame-by-frame. You will self-observe many points of both achievement and for improvement.

Here's what I saw to work on. (see attached pics for reference)

1. When you breathe, you over-rotate your head AND lift it up out of the water. Your body has to compensate somehow for the de-balancing (your head should be nicely in line with your body rotation to breathe; the head moves by itself very little or not at all) ... we tend to see this either in the opposite arm pushing water down (instead of back) in order to support or make the head pop up OR ---> what you do, which is take a bigger kick with the leg. If you look at shot 1 carefully, you can make out that your legs are quite far apart. There are many ways to try to achieve imprinting this. If I were you, I'd carefully read and try to implement everything in the Beginner and Intermediate KICK sections of swimsmooth.com. I would FIRST try to keep your head in rotation with your body (and try to be mindful of what your legs are doing when you breathe); secondarily I'd work on the kick, especially keeping in mind two things: extend your feet (like a point, but relaxed--comes from the ankle, not by pointing toes, but that is the effect) and turn your big toes slightly inward, and pretend you are holding a coin in between your butt cheeks. For some reason those images sometimes help people to originate the kick from the hips.

***2. most important is what your arm is doing UNDER the water. The analogy of being on the edge of the pool helps; I also think of folding my arm in a 90-degreeish angle over the top of a square package, then pulling that package straight backward. Think of breaststroke (the beginning of the pull there and in freestyle are nearly identical): you can't do it if your arms are straight. You have to bend them to pull. Same in freestyle: having the arm straight-ish in the water is not an efficient/effective pull for distance swimming.

3/4. Your R arm tends to cross over the midline, and this seems to lead more to the straight-arm pulling as above. Try to think of your hands entering the water at 10am and 2pm on a clock; that’s an overexaggeration, but will probably effect just the right angle for entry.

paddles--did you ask about paddles? What kind did you get? Use them VERY sparingly at first, and definitely without the wrist loop--just looped onto your middle finger. If your pull is good, solid and well-formed, the paddles will stay on.

Ohhh yeeeerrr alive! More than alive, damn, so thorough too! Screen shots even? Pssssshh! 

Hot piglet swimming ALWAYS gets my attention, as opposed to pictures that, while truly breathtakingly beautiful, especially their subject, are so cold they're making my tongue stick to the roof of my mouth.

Maybe that's the pistachio nuts.

Only one hour 'til McD's pancakes ...

Could your royal Yanti-ness PLEASE expand on the bolded part? Coach Jason tells me (us) to quickly take our breath and put our head back down. It is very different than anything i've seen or read and it feels un-natural (not that anything swimming related is natural for me). Are you saying the head should rotate with the body?

Yes, when taking a breath. In very choppy/swelly OW conditions you may have to rotate a bit more (for many reasons, not just to breathe) and/or move the head a bit more to get a breath instead of a faceful of water.

If you are rotating the body properly, and the head with it, it's already in prime position to take a breath. Moving your head more than just a little at that point would cause you at best to be looking at where the wall meets the ceiling, if not the ceiling itself.

When not breathing, the body still rotates quite a bit to the stroking side, although the head remains stationary.

Perhaps he's telling you that with regards to sighting? Sighting adds a bit to the breathing dynamic ... but not much. But it does involve moving your head.

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Speaking sighting that is another area I will need help on as soon as I'm able to get back out in the open water.

 

Thanks for the comments critiques. Like I said I couldn't even make it 25 yards in June of this year so to be able to swim a mile 6 months later is huge for me. These comments help alot and I will use them at my next swimming session. Hopefully I can incorporate these changes and continue to see rapid growth in my swimming ability.

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TriAya - 2013-01-02 3:19 PM
rrrunner - 2013-01-03 5:12 AM
TriAya - 2013-01-02 2:01 PM
Asalzwed - 2013-01-03 4:58 AM
TriAya - 2013-01-02 2:53 PM

Skrat, you've become a very fine swim coach and that is good advice ...

I echo that fundamentally, you have a nice streamlined body position and both your form and speed are excellent as an adult-onset swimmer.

I encourage everyone to watch their videos frame-by-frame. You will self-observe many points of both achievement and for improvement.

Here's what I saw to work on. (see attached pics for reference)

1. When you breathe, you over-rotate your head AND lift it up out of the water. Your body has to compensate somehow for the de-balancing (your head should be nicely in line with your body rotation to breathe; the head moves by itself very little or not at all) ... we tend to see this either in the opposite arm pushing water down (instead of back) in order to support or make the head pop up OR ---> what you do, which is take a bigger kick with the leg. If you look at shot 1 carefully, you can make out that your legs are quite far apart. There are many ways to try to achieve imprinting this. If I were you, I'd carefully read and try to implement everything in the Beginner and Intermediate KICK sections of swimsmooth.com. I would FIRST try to keep your head in rotation with your body (and try to be mindful of what your legs are doing when you breathe); secondarily I'd work on the kick, especially keeping in mind two things: extend your feet (like a point, but relaxed--comes from the ankle, not by pointing toes, but that is the effect) and turn your big toes slightly inward, and pretend you are holding a coin in between your butt cheeks. For some reason those images sometimes help people to originate the kick from the hips.

***2. most important is what your arm is doing UNDER the water. The analogy of being on the edge of the pool helps; I also think of folding my arm in a 90-degreeish angle over the top of a square package, then pulling that package straight backward. Think of breaststroke (the beginning of the pull there and in freestyle are nearly identical): you can't do it if your arms are straight. You have to bend them to pull. Same in freestyle: having the arm straight-ish in the water is not an efficient/effective pull for distance swimming.

3/4. Your R arm tends to cross over the midline, and this seems to lead more to the straight-arm pulling as above. Try to think of your hands entering the water at 10am and 2pm on a clock; that’s an overexaggeration, but will probably effect just the right angle for entry.

paddles--did you ask about paddles? What kind did you get? Use them VERY sparingly at first, and definitely without the wrist loop--just looped onto your middle finger. If your pull is good, solid and well-formed, the paddles will stay on.

Ohhh yeeeerrr alive! More than alive, damn, so thorough too! Screen shots even? Pssssshh! 

Hot piglet swimming ALWAYS gets my attention, as opposed to pictures that, while truly breathtakingly beautiful, especially their subject, are so cold they're making my tongue stick to the roof of my mouth.

Maybe that's the pistachio nuts.

Only one hour 'til McD's pancakes ...

Could your royal Yanti-ness PLEASE expand on the bolded part? Coach Jason tells me (us) to quickly take our breath and put our head back down. It is very different than anything i've seen or read and it feels un-natural (not that anything swimming related is natural for me). Are you saying the head should rotate with the body?

Yes, when taking a breath. In very choppy/swelly OW conditions you may have to rotate a bit more (for many reasons, not just to breathe) and/or move the head a bit more to get a breath instead of a faceful of water.

If you are rotating the body properly, and the head with it, it's already in prime position to take a breath. Moving your head more than just a little at that point would cause you at best to be looking at where the wall meets the ceiling, if not the ceiling itself.

When not breathing, the body still rotates quite a bit to the stroking side, although the head remains stationary.

Perhaps he's telling you that with regards to sighting? Sighting adds a bit to the breathing dynamic ... but not much. But it does involve moving your head.

I've heard my coach tell new swimmers that they should think of keeping their ear ( on the non- breath side) in the water so they can listen to the fish talk. That's not exactly how he puts it, but it's close. I think breathing, keeping my head properly positioned may be the one thing I do half- way right!
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TriAya - 2013-01-02 2:19 PM
rrrunner - 2013-01-03 5:12 AM
TriAya - 2013-01-02 2:01 PM
Asalzwed - 2013-01-03 4:58 AM
TriAya - 2013-01-02 2:53 PM

Skrat, you've become a very fine swim coach and that is good advice ...

I echo that fundamentally, you have a nice streamlined body position and both your form and speed are excellent as an adult-onset swimmer.

I encourage everyone to watch their videos frame-by-frame. You will self-observe many points of both achievement and for improvement.

Here's what I saw to work on. (see attached pics for reference)

1. When you breathe, you over-rotate your head AND lift it up out of the water. Your body has to compensate somehow for the de-balancing (your head should be nicely in line with your body rotation to breathe; the head moves by itself very little or not at all) ... we tend to see this either in the opposite arm pushing water down (instead of back) in order to support or make the head pop up OR ---> what you do, which is take a bigger kick with the leg. If you look at shot 1 carefully, you can make out that your legs are quite far apart. There are many ways to try to achieve imprinting this. If I were you, I'd carefully read and try to implement everything in the Beginner and Intermediate KICK sections of swimsmooth.com. I would FIRST try to keep your head in rotation with your body (and try to be mindful of what your legs are doing when you breathe); secondarily I'd work on the kick, especially keeping in mind two things: extend your feet (like a point, but relaxed--comes from the ankle, not by pointing toes, but that is the effect) and turn your big toes slightly inward, and pretend you are holding a coin in between your butt cheeks. For some reason those images sometimes help people to originate the kick from the hips.

***2. most important is what your arm is doing UNDER the water. The analogy of being on the edge of the pool helps; I also think of folding my arm in a 90-degreeish angle over the top of a square package, then pulling that package straight backward. Think of breaststroke (the beginning of the pull there and in freestyle are nearly identical): you can't do it if your arms are straight. You have to bend them to pull. Same in freestyle: having the arm straight-ish in the water is not an efficient/effective pull for distance swimming.

3/4. Your R arm tends to cross over the midline, and this seems to lead more to the straight-arm pulling as above. Try to think of your hands entering the water at 10am and 2pm on a clock; that’s an overexaggeration, but will probably effect just the right angle for entry.

paddles--did you ask about paddles? What kind did you get? Use them VERY sparingly at first, and definitely without the wrist loop--just looped onto your middle finger. If your pull is good, solid and well-formed, the paddles will stay on.

Ohhh yeeeerrr alive! More than alive, damn, so thorough too! Screen shots even? Pssssshh! 

Hot piglet swimming ALWAYS gets my attention, as opposed to pictures that, while truly breathtakingly beautiful, especially their subject, are so cold they're making my tongue stick to the roof of my mouth.

Maybe that's the pistachio nuts.

Only one hour 'til McD's pancakes ...

Could your royal Yanti-ness PLEASE expand on the bolded part? Coach Jason tells me (us) to quickly take our breath and put our head back down. It is very different than anything i've seen or read and it feels un-natural (not that anything swimming related is natural for me). Are you saying the head should rotate with the body?

Yes, when taking a breath. In very choppy/swelly OW conditions you may have to rotate a bit more (for many reasons, not just to breathe) and/or move the head a bit more to get a breath instead of a faceful of water.

If you are rotating the body properly, and the head with it, it's already in prime position to take a breath. Moving your head more than just a little at that point would cause you at best to be looking at where the wall meets the ceiling, if not the ceiling itself.

When not breathing, the body still rotates quite a bit to the stroking side, although the head remains stationary.

Perhaps he's telling you that with regards to sighting? Sighting adds a bit to the breathing dynamic ... but not much. But it does involve moving your head.

My confusion isn't in lifting the head more, it is that he tells us to quickly put it back in the water after getting a breath. I.e. it doesn't roll back naturally with the body.



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TriAya - 2013-01-02 12:53 PM

Skrat, you've become a very fine swim coach and that is good advice ...

 

Thank you.. You are making me blush.  

Totally agree with everything you said too - love reading your swimming advice.

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I so need to join a masters course... I am a good swimmer and have no issues with open water, snorkeling, SCUBA or even the endurance swimming in a pool but I am sure my freestyle speed and technique is lacking.  Add that to the list, this damn sport is so expensive with time and money haha.

 

Alright so I should probably start a HIM training program preferably with a running focus... any preferences or comments on any of the BT programs in this area?

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rrrunner - 2013-01-03 5:29 AM

My confusion isn't in lifting the head more, it is that he tells us to quickly put it back in the water after getting a breath. I.e. it doesn't roll back naturally with the body.

My swim coach always said "the head stays still and the body rotation is what brings the head out of the water to breathe. The water line should sit about half way down your face with one eye still in the water."Maybe what we need is for Yanti to post some video showing us what she means, maybe a dry dock video of the arm pull would help Darren.
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Well I'm headed home for a run. Can't handle the blank day on the training calendar Tongue out
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I am starting the New Year off right, 3 days in a row of getting some training in. Did a short 3.5 mile run today outside. I realized today that I love running on the packed snow. The sound reminds me of running through leaves in the fall. With the hard packed snow I am noticing my ankles flex and wobble a little more. I think may be affecting my speed a little. I rolled my ankles a lot in High School running Cross Country, so they are week. Does anyone have any exercises to help strengthen ankles? When I remember I balance on one foot with my other leg in various positions to help build my ankle stability muscles. Does anyone have anything else the do or could recommend?


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Not me Stacey, I think you mean JJ.
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Ive contacted someone who teaches TRX, hopefully I can get my first class done within the week. For those who don't know what TRX is ( I didn't until 2 days ago), check out this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rqOZiH8N8qw

 

ok, i have no idea why this link won't go live, but trust me it is a cool workout!



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rrrunner - 2013-01-02 2:27 PMWell I'm headed home for a run. Can't handle the blank day on the training calendar Tongue out
That was so me yesterday! No gym daycare. Husband in and out so couldn't leave kids at home. I was climbing the walls by 6pm...when I finally left for my run. Idea of not doing any training was irritating!! Lol
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jbwills - 2013-01-02 5:08 PM I am starting the New Year off right, 3 days in a row of getting some training in. Did a short 3.5 mile run today outside. I realized today that I love running on the packed snow. The sound reminds me of running through leaves in the fall. With the hard packed snow I am noticing my ankles flex and wobble a little more. I think may be affecting my speed a little. I rolled my ankles a lot in High School running Cross Country, so they are week. Does anyone have any exercises to help strengthen ankles? When I remember I balance on one foot with my other leg in various positions to help build my ankle stability muscles. Does anyone have anything else the do or could recommend?

3 days straight, awesome! Great start to the new year!

You can do ankle strengthening exercises. You can do the ones you mentioned or Youtube ankle strengthening with Theraband. Also, if you just keep running conservatively (so as to not roll your ankle again) that should do a pretty great job of strengthening them in a very functional and specific to running way.

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amd723 - 2013-01-02 3:24 PM

Ive contacted someone who teaches TRX, hopefully I can get my first class done within the week. For those who don't know what TRX is ( I didn't until 2 days ago), check out this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rqOZiH8N8qw

 

ok, i have no idea why this link won't go live, but trust me it is a cool workout!

Eek!  That looks killer hard, but fun too!



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Richardsdrr - 2013-01-03 7:10 AMNot me Stacey, I think you mean JJ.
Sorry Darren and JJ, my mistake.
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amd723 - 2013-01-02 5:24 PM

Ive contacted someone who teaches TRX, hopefully I can get my first class done within the week. For those who don't know what TRX is ( I didn't until 2 days ago), check out this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rqOZiH8N8qw

 

ok, i have no idea why this link won't go live, but trust me it is a cool workout!

Oh yeah, we have those in my gym @ work.

Let us know how it goes!

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4agoodlife - 2013-01-01 8:19 AM

Goodbye, old year. Hello, twenty-TRIteen!

Just finished last ride of the 2012. Cold and windy, and I'm happy to log another 15 miles Laughing

 

 

May've been cold and windy but you are HAWT! Keep the T.I.T.S. up!

Haha! T.I.T.S up tonight Wheeeee!!
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Day 2 of my ridiculous 365 day challenge is done...along with a 2000+ meter swim....good times!Smile

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amd723 - 2013-01-02 3:24 PM

Ive contacted someone who teaches TRX, hopefully I can get my first class done within the week. For those who don't know what TRX is ( I didn't until 2 days ago), check out this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rqOZiH8N8qw

 

ok, i have no idea why this link won't go live, but trust me it is a cool workout!

That looks like a pretty gnarly core workout!



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One more post race recovery day, then it's time to start training again.  I will add in easy 3, 4, or 5 mile runs, and I'm about to start in with the bike trainer next week.  It's that time of year to get serious about training...especially since I am planning on 2 IM's - 1 full and several 1/2's this year.  
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OK Manatees - so my race plan this year WAS to compete in the HITS Full on 5/18 and do a 2nd full on 8/25.  

The 5/18 just got cancelled as one of my best friends is getting married that day.  I'm kind of sad, because I really wanted to try for 2 fulls this year.  

Now my question is - can I do 2 fulls, 1 month apart, or is that just fricking nuts?  I can do my Expedition Man on 8/25 - and then there is the Grand Columbian on 9/21...I would probably literally rest for 7-10 days..then do an easy 2 weeks - then do the Grand Columbian.

I think that while typing this, I just realized how nuts that is...I just need your level headedness to talk me out of it!  Will anyone talk me off the ledge, or will you guys encourage me to go over it?  

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Muskrat37 - 2013-01-02 8:25 PM

I think that while typing this, I just realized how nuts that is...I just need your level headedness to talk me out of it!  Will anyone talk me off the ledge, or will you guys encourage me to go over it?  

Seems to me you can do it, just don't expect the second to be on the same level as the first.

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Subject: RE: Mad Manatees Mentor Group - VERY CLOSED!!! Sorry!

Ran a New Year's 5k in Seattle yesterday.  It was on the waterfront at the crack of dawn.  Clear skies (in Seattle, *gasp*) and barely any wind.  Twas a good time.  Even if it was something like 35 degrees outside.

I got recruited to lead an 8 min pace group, though I lost everyone except my bro after mile 2ish.  I've got to say, an 8 min pace feels pretty easy.  I'm looking forward to cranking out some faster times later this year.  I'm actually pretty proud that I kept an average of almost exactly 8 minutes.  Didn't expect to be close, but averaged 7:57.

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