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 2010-04-10 2:02 PM in reply to: #2782196 |
Elite  3602     Mesa, AZ |  Subject: RE: Ironman St. George - Utah : Official Threadgcirongirl - 2010-04-10 11:31 AM I need some advice. I have been struggling with my training. In November, I sprained my left ankle. I think that I started back training too soon because I almost immediately ended up with peroneal tendonitis in my right ankle in January. That has healed and I was nervous about my low training volume and so was going to hit things pretty hard in March and the first part of April and had managed to get to about 60 miles on the bike and 14 miles on the run when 10 days ago I fell down the stairs and re-sprained my left ankle. The doctor says that my ankle will likely be almost 100% by race day. If I had been at full training, I don't think that this would be a problem. I would just count it as an extra long taper and struggle through the race. So, here's the question. Do I still race? I have been gearing upfor this since I signed up the day that registration opened. Everything has been focused on May 1, 2010. Do you think that with this low amount of training, I could still get through this race? Maybe I should just do a half later in the summer? Thoughts? I am really agonizing over this. I have NEVER quit a race. What is the harm in giving it a go? Unless you are still in a lot of pain, go out there, give it all you have that day! If you make it FANTASTIC! If not, at least you would know. I do not think I could handle the 'what-ifs' of not at least trying. Sorry about your injury.  |
| 2010-04-10 2:17 PM in reply to: #2782196 |
Member 101 Lost Wages Nevada | Subject: RE: Ironman St. George - Utah : Official Thread gcirongirl - 2010-04-10 10:31 AM I need some advice. I have been struggling with my training. In November, I sprained my left ankle. I think that I started back training too soon because I almost immediately ended up with peroneal tendonitis in my right ankle in January. That has healed and I was nervous about my low training volume and so was going to hit things pretty hard in March and the first part of April and had managed to get to about 60 miles on the bike and 14 miles on the run when 10 days ago I fell down the stairs and re-sprained my left ankle. The doctor says that my ankle will likely be almost 100% by race day. If I had been at full training, I don't think that this would be a problem. I would just count it as an extra long taper and struggle through the race. So, here's the question. Do I still race? I have been gearing upfor this since I signed up the day that registration opened. Everything has been focused on May 1, 2010. Do you think that with this low amount of training, I could still get through this race? Maybe I should just do a half later in the summer? Thoughts? I am really agonizing over this. I have NEVER quit a race. My first thought was "go for it!" but in thinking about it some more I wonder a few things; 1. Have you done a IM before? 2. Is 60 miles your longest ride? 14 miles longest run? 3. How important is THIS race to you? If this is your first IM and these are your longest distances then I would lean towards putting your efforts into another day. You have already come back once to soon and re-injured yourself. On the other hand if you have a history of IM's and a strong base then you know what the day has in store and are a way better judge then I of whether or not to push yourself. Know that regardless of your decision no one will think less of you. Getting to the starting line healthy of an IM is the hardest part of the race, and you should be very proud of the hard work and determination you have put into reach this point, there will be other days and other races. Hang in there and try to look at the big picture and not just the short term. I personally hope to see you on race day but will defiantly understand if you miss this one. Good luck either way!!! |
| 2010-04-10 2:22 PM in reply to: #2223820 |
Member 101 Lost Wages Nevada | Subject: RE: Ironman St. George - Utah : Official Thread In regards to the water temp, i have been swimming in lake Mead for the last month. The water temp started at 47 and this weekend was up to 55!! I will say that at 47 I truly had trouble catching my breath but now at 55 it is great. The first couple of minutes are eye opening but within a few strokes all is good. I don't use booties and typically only one basic swim cap. I do wear ear plugs but only because getting the water in my ears had led to minor dizziness in the past. Im sure that by the time we kick off the race and the water temp is in the 60's all will be fine. My only regret is that we don't finish the run there, so we could soak the legs after the long days beating... |
| 2010-04-10 8:08 PM in reply to: #2782289 |
Champion 5781  Northridge, California | Subject: RE: Ironman St. George - Utah : Official Thread VegasJason - 2010-04-10 12:17 PM My first thought was "go for it!" but in thinking about it some more I wonder a few things; 1. Have you done a IM before? I think the "gciron" in "gcirongirl" is because she finished the Grand Columbian full iron tri in 2007 (see her race log).  Anyhoo... Kelly: FWIW (which is probably not a lot), I think you should give it a 'go'...I'd have to agree with the other poster who said you'd be left with a big "I wonder if..." if you DNS. I considered a DNS for Vineman last summer with my trashed hamstring (couldn't run two miles four days before the race)...then almost took a DNF after 2/3 of the run...but ended up finishing. Lots and lots of walking and pain, but got it done. It really does come down to why you want to do the race: Just to finish...to improve on previous finish...or whatever. Your goals and how important they are to you will have to decide this for you. Good luck! |
| 2010-04-10 8:11 PM in reply to: #2782196 |
Veteran 160 Salt Lake City, UT | Subject: RE: Ironman St. George - Utah : Official Thread gcirongirl - 2010-04-10 11:31 AM I need some advice. I have been struggling with my training. In November, I sprained my left ankle. I think that I started back training too soon because I almost immediately ended up with peroneal tendonitis in my right ankle in January. That has healed and I was nervous about my low training volume and so was going to hit things pretty hard in March and the first part of April and had managed to get to about 60 miles on the bike and 14 miles on the run when 10 days ago I fell down the stairs and re-sprained my left ankle. The doctor says that my ankle will likely be almost 100% by race day. If I had been at full training, I don't think that this would be a problem. I would just count it as an extra long taper and struggle through the race. So, here's the question. Do I still race? I have been gearing upfor this since I signed up the day that registration opened. Everything has been focused on May 1, 2010. Do you think that with this low amount of training, I could still get through this race? Maybe I should just do a half later in the summer? Thoughts? I am really agonizing over this. I have NEVER quit a race. My vote is give it a go, if you are close to 100% on race day. I know you have one IM under your belt, so you know what's coming. Just race smart. Like someone said, I'd hate to live with the regret of 'what if'... Good luck. |
| 2010-04-10 8:15 PM in reply to: #2223820 |
Champion 5781 Northridge, California | Subject: RE: Ironman St. George - Utah : Official Thread ...And...taper on! (Finally!) Last long ride in the books: 113 miles today. "Dress rehearsal" for the IM. Opted not to torture myself with a lot of climbing today, but made an effort to start around the time I anticipate leaving T1, wear what I figure I'm likely to be wearing, and work on dialing in the nutrition. First two objectives...met. Nutrition? Not so good. First time ever, I had my nutrition go south (at about 102 miles) and ended up a bit dehydrated. I made a bit of an adjustment to calorie count vs. last week (which went fine), so I think I'm going to go back to that strategy. |
| 2010-04-10 8:25 PM in reply to: #2223820 |
Veteran 192 Southern California | Subject: RE: Ironman St. George - Utah : Official Thread Just need to get my last long swim in tommorow and then full taper for me. Got my last long bike in today, but it was a bit shorter than planned. Got a late start in the day and did some extra climbing in the first half and started getting cold. Felt fresh after the ride and could have done another 30. 93 miles with around 4500' of climbing and some moderate winds, not too bad. Used bottled gatorade instead of my usual self-mixed. I am going to do this from here on. Not sure I can stick to the 2 flavors though, I need some variety. Also, I have used PowerBars exclusively in training, can't wait until I can eat something else when on a bike. Oh, that doesnt include gels, I had a variety of those. |
| 2010-04-10 8:29 PM in reply to: #2223820 |
Extreme Veteran 315 South Jordan UT | Subject: RE: Ironman St. George - Utah : Official Thread Ok. I just got back from a solid 50 miler with some serious hills in it. My ankle is fine. Maybe if I just replace all of the running in my plan with biking? I don't suppose that would hurt me any. Yes, I've done one iron before. It's been a while, but I think that I am actually in better shape now than I was then. Thanks for the advice. I'll see you all at the starting line. Hopefully, I'll see you at the finish as well! |
| 2010-04-10 9:28 PM in reply to: #2223820 |
Extreme Veteran 549 Marietta, GA | Subject: RE: Ironman St. George - Utah : Official Thread According to the Athlete Guide, there is no chicken broth listed for the run aid stations. All of my experienced IM friends have told me that stuff is like the nectar of the Gods at mile 20, and has been offered at every IM they have done (3 other Ford races). So what gives? Maybe they forgot to officially list it. But I've been training with it lately, and my stomach is used to it. |
| 2010-04-10 11:55 PM in reply to: #2782855 |
Expert 721 Chandler, AZ | Subject: RE: Ironman St. George - Utah : Official Thread kuotaguy - 2010-04-10 7:28 PM According to the Athlete Guide, there is no chicken broth listed for the run aid stations. All of my experienced IM friends have told me that stuff is like the nectar of the Gods at mile 20, and has been offered at every IM they have done (3 other Ford races). So what gives? Maybe they forgot to officially list it. But I've been training with it lately, and my stomach is used to it. Right. I think if they didn't list it, they probably won't have it. But maybe we'll get lucky. This is why I've been making a stink about no Gatorade Endurance (400mg sodium/bottle) as well. Ran into this at IM Cozumel (the other newest Ford race), that there was virtually no salty foods on the course. If they run out of pretzels, you won't have much else to choose from. So better bring your own salts. (I'm sure most people do -- I tend to prefer feeding off of salty foods that I"m not likely to carry.) At Cozumel I finally found out that the nasty PowerGels that no one wants actually have a lot of salt, and made use of that. They had salty peanuts on the course, which disappeared really fast, because that was the only salty food there. Edited by robin314159 2010-04-11 12:03 AM |
| 2010-04-11 4:04 AM in reply to: #2782196 |
Master 2404 Redlands, CA | Subject: RE: Ironman St. George - Utah : Official Thread |
| 2010-04-11 7:59 AM in reply to: #2781709 |
Regular 63 Fort Collins, CO | Subject: RE: Ironman St. George - Utah : Official Thread You don't need them. I race there this time of the year all the time and it's not bad at all. Today's posted water temp: 55 degrees. http://stateparks.utah.gov/boating/conditions We should be good to go if current weather holds (no significant rain, no extended cold temps). I wear silicone ear plugs for every swim I do and they work great. Speedo and TYR sell the same kind. I also picked up these softer ones from the pharmacy at SuperTarget. They actually stay in a little better, although I've only ever had one of the other type fall out. Edited by garryowen96 2010-04-11 8:01 AM |
| 2010-04-11 5:42 PM in reply to: #2783090 |
Sensei Sin City | Subject: RE: Ironman St. George - Utah : Official Thread Last long run in the books. |
| 2010-04-12 12:49 AM in reply to: #2223820 |
Champion 5781 Northridge, California | Subject: RE: Ironman St. George - Utah : Official Thread Any more word on pros racing? Not much on the Internet rumor mill: I see Chris McDonald, Luke McKenzie, Gina Crawford and Michael Lovato mentioned (Crawford and Lovato have it on their websites). Edited by tcovert 2010-04-12 12:49 AM |
| 2010-04-12 1:03 AM in reply to: #2783785 |
Master 2404 Redlands, CA | Subject: RE: Ironman St. George - Utah : Official Thread Kido - 2010-04-11 3:42 PM Last long run in the books. Just stick to the road. I love trail running and mtb'ing but they are the two most injury susceptable sports out there. I'd hate to see anyone get hurt this close to the race day. |
| 2010-04-12 9:00 AM in reply to: #2784395 |
| Mesa | Subject: RE: Ironman St. George - Utah : Official Thread tcovert - 2010-04-11 10:49 PM Any more word on pros racing? Not much on the Internet rumor mill: I see Chris McDonald, Luke McKenzie, Gina Crawford and Michael Lovato mentioned (Crawford and Lovato have it on their websites). I can tell you that my friend Josef Major is racing. |
| 2010-04-12 10:30 AM in reply to: #2784398 |
Champion 5781 Northridge, California | Subject: RE: Ironman St. George - Utah : Official Thread furiousferret - 2010-04-11 11:03 PM Kido - 2010-04-11 3:42 PM Last long run in the books. Just stick to the road. I love trail running and mtb'ing but they are the two most injury susceptable sports out there. I'd hate to see anyone get hurt this close to the race day. Yeah...this is the time I want to wrap myself in bubble wrap: Too close to the race to heal most serious injuries. Of course you can't protect yourself from everything--I got hurt 20 days before my 1st IM when I caught my toe in the wet sand at the waterline on the beach while trotting back to my starting point from an ocean swim and popped my hammie trying to avoid a faceplant. Freak injury, but that didn't keep it from ruining my race. Bubble wrap, I tell ya...that's the ticket... |
| 2010-04-12 10:33 AM in reply to: #2785119 |
Sensei Sin City | Subject: RE: Ironman St. George - Utah : Official Thread tcovert - 2010-04-12 8:30 AM furiousferret - 2010-04-11 11:03 PM Kido - 2010-04-11 3:42 PM Last long run in the books. Just stick to the road. I love trail running and mtb'ing but they are the two most injury susceptable sports out there. I'd hate to see anyone get hurt this close to the race day. Yeah...this is the time I want to wrap myself in bubble wrap: Too close to the race to heal most serious injuries. Of course you can't protect yourself from everything--I got hurt 20 days before my 1st IM when I caught my toe in the wet sand at the waterline on the beach while trotting back to my starting point from an ocean swim and popped my hammie trying to avoid a faceplant. Freak injury, but that didn't keep it from ruining my race. Bubble wrap, I tell ya...that's the ticket... A coworker walked into my office this morning sniffling and all congested. I was like "WHOA WHOA WHOA!!! Are you sick or is that alergies???" Alergies he said. I told him to get out anyway... |
| 2010-04-12 11:54 AM in reply to: #2784816 |
New user 18 | Subject: RE: Ironman St. George - Utah : Official Thread Jocelyn Wong is also on the list. If Luke McKenzie is going for some reason he is not on the list. The rest are, though. http://www.ironmanusa.com/participants/lists/10stg.html |
| 2010-04-12 12:11 PM in reply to: #2223820 |
New user 18 | Subject: RE: Ironman St. George - Utah : Official Thread Anybody else watching this site? I don't know how often it is updated. It says the water temp is 55 at Sand Hollow. http://stateparks.utah.gov/boating/conditions I have did an HIM distance race in 53 degree water (Vikingman). It was COLD! I would not be looking forward to doing that again. Once the water temp hits 60 anything is doable. |
| 2010-04-12 12:55 PM in reply to: #2785530 |
Champion 5781 Northridge, California | Subject: RE: Ironman St. George - Utah : Official Thread rustyspoone - 2010-04-12 10:11 AM Anybody else watching this site? I don't know how often it is updated. It says the water temp is 55 at Sand Hollow. http://stateparks.utah.gov/boating/conditions I have did an HIM distance race in 53 degree water (Vikingman). It was COLD! I would not be looking forward to doing that again. Once the water temp hits 60 anything is doable. Every degree counts at this point...I'm hoping for 60, but anything over 56 will be an improvement over my last tri. One thing I've started planning on is not wearing tri top under wetsuit, but doing a quick dry of torso in T1 and pulling on a sleeveless jersey and arm warmers, rather than dealing with wet fabric on a hypothermic body heading out on the bike. Normally wouldn't change in T1, but I have a pretty good idea after that last tri at Thanksgiving how I'm going to be feeling after 1:10-1:15 in water in the 50s and probably will plan for that. |
| 2010-04-12 1:00 PM in reply to: #2223820 |
Master 1359 South of SLC | Subject: RE: Ironman St. George - Utah : Official Thread The last tri I did at Sand Hollow the water was 58 degrees. I was planning on the swim sans jersey and take the extra three seconds it will require to dry off and get warm. I think my body will thank me for it later. Mike |
| 2010-04-12 1:05 PM in reply to: #2223820 |
| Mesa | Subject: RE: Ironman St. George - Utah : Official Thread I am just going to pee a lot. LOL |
| 2010-04-12 1:13 PM in reply to: #2223820 |
| 45 | Subject: RE: Ironman St. George - Utah : Official Thread Was fortunate to be able to swim twice in Sand Hollow this weekend, as well as bike the course and run about 13 miles on the run course. Swim: Very cold water right now, was about 54 on Friday and 54.1 on Saturday! Really important to get in the water ahead of time (obviously) and acclimate to it. Wore a thick neoprene cap which really helped. Lots of wind on the Saturday swim (4pm) which made sighting and breathing a bit hard. Had to breathe on my left side a lot, which isn't natural for me, but worked. Am hoping the winds won't pick up early in the morning for our start... Bike: lots of head wind out of Veyo for the last 17 miles. Really sucked the energy and speed out of me. Saw lots of others riding the course, including a guy walking up the steepest hill. Really, really important there to keep the HR down there and not push it. Overall I felt great on the bike. Took me about 1:11 to get to the first loop from Sand Hollow, then did the 1st loop in about 2:40 or so. Not bad for me, given the massive headwind I got to fight for the last hour or so...The roads are a bit rough and lots of gravel on the shoulder out of Hurricane; saw several guys with flats. Run: I'm sure others have mentioned that there are literally no flats on this course, but it bears repeating. It's either up or down, my friends. I am not a great runner, but even if I were, I'd plan on walking some of the larger hills. It was hot (80 degrees) when I was running after my bike on Saturday, and I could tell I wasn't hydrated enough. Tough little run for me, which was an eye-opener. Still, this is something I'll get through... |
| 2010-04-12 1:17 PM in reply to: #2223820 |
| New user 9 Las Vegas | Subject: RE: Ironman St. George - Utah : Official Thread FWIW regarding no Gatorade Endurance and no Chicken Broth on the course, I was looking forward to consuming both. However, I recommend using electrolyte replenishment capsules. I use Hammer Nutrition brand Endurolytes. They contain sodium, calcium, magnesium and potassium. I use them for training and racing and so do a number of my friends. I take two capsules every 45 - 60 minutes, more depending on the heat. As the race time accumulates you don't have to worry about your sport drink consumption and you can stick to mostly water. If you've never tried it you still have more than two weeks to get accostomed to using them. They are available through Hammer (product description and link below) and at the Bike Shop (Wigwam and Eastern) in Las Vegas. I've been using these successfuly for three to four years.  PRODUCT DETAIL
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