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2009-02-22 9:18 PM
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Subject: RE: Increase your Cycling Power over the winter = Faster times on 2009

Oh boy - week 15 looks tough!  I admittedly didn't make it through Q1 of week 14.  Not sure exactly what happened but my quads were shaking about 1/2 way through the 5 interval and the HR had been too high for a while, and I just couldn't get going for interval 6.  I just soft pedaled for about 6 minutes trying to manage the final 10 minutes at 87%, but it just wasn't going to happen.  I ended the ride early - very disappointed.

I gues week 15 is my opportunity to make up for it.



2009-02-22 9:53 PM
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Subject: RE: Increase your Cycling Power over the winter = Faster times on 2009
GoFaster - 2009-02-22 9:18 PM

Oh boy - week 15 looks tough!  I admittedly didn't make it through Q1 of week 14.  Not sure exactly what happened but my quads were shaking about 1/2 way through the 5 interval and the HR had been too high for a while, and I just couldn't get going for interval 6.  I just soft pedaled for about 6 minutes trying to manage the final 10 minutes at 87%, but it just wasn't going to happen.  I ended the ride early - very disappointed.

I gues week 15 is my opportunity to make up for it.

it happens. it just means your total fatigue is a bit more of what you can handle and need to recover better before attempting doing another intense session again. (of course as long as you are riding at the right FT). make sure you are some how rested, properly fueled and if done on trainer with dgood ventilation and fluids. good luck!
2009-02-23 8:42 AM
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Subject: RE: Increase your Cycling Power over the winter = Faster times on 2009

Morning Jorge!

Thanks for the great advice on transitioning our training to our spring/summer/fall race goals. I and my spin class are a couple weeks behind in the training cycle but we are still plugging along. I heard you were volunteering at the Hyannis race yesterday. I looked around but wasn't sure I recognized you so just kept plugging along...were you wearing glasses? Thanks.

2009-02-23 11:01 AM
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Subject: RE: Increase your Cycling Power over the winter = Faster times on 2009
Week 14 Q2 done this morning. I may be feeling it a bit more because of some extra running I did yesterday, but this one was tough too. Looking ahead, I'm just a little nervous about being able to do next weeks Q2. An easy recovery week may be in order after this program finishes!
2009-02-23 12:48 PM
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Subject: RE: Increase your Cycling Power over the winter = Faster times on 2009
I am in the early stages of my 20 week HIM program.  I have been replacing the plan's bike sessions with Jorge's plan and modifying when necessary. The plan called for a 3 hour ride this past saturday. So I did Q3 twice with about 1/2 hour z2 between.  I was pleasantly surprised that I was pretty much able to hold a good pace throughout.  This week's plan calls for rides on tues, thurs & friday and then another 3 hour ride on sunday (after a 2 hour run on Saturday) After looking at the week 15 sessions, I have to admit I'm a bit frightened. What doesn't kill us, makes a stronger, right?  Thanks again Jorge! (I think...)  
2009-02-25 8:52 AM
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Micawber - 2009-02-23 12:01 PM Week 14 Q2 done this morning. I may be feeling it a bit more because of some extra running I did yesterday, but this one was tough too. Looking ahead, I'm just a little nervous about being able to do next weeks Q2. An easy recovery week may be in order after this program finishes!

It's funny, I had all sorts of trouble with Q1 last week, and yet Q2 seemed ok - tough but ok.  I've completed Week 15 Q1, and managed it just fine this time around.  My HR didn't get over 170 until I was in the 4th interval, whereas last week I was around 174 by the 2nd interval - I think that's why I quit.  I just couldn't sustain the exertion.  My legs were still screaming at me yesterday, but cardio wise I could manage it, whereas I couldn't a week ago.

As for Q2 tomorrow - this one looks like it's not going to be any fun!!



2009-02-26 8:27 PM
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hi guys, just checking in to see how did Q2 go?
2009-02-26 9:06 PM
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JorgeM - 2009-02-26 7:27 PM

hi guys, just checking in to see how did Q2 go?

I'm still a couple of workouts behind, so week 15 Q1 is early tomorrow for me and Q2 will likely be on Monday morning. My long run is on Sunday but I'll only do one run this coming Sunday so it shouldn't matter as much as last week.
2009-02-27 8:20 AM
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Q2 was painful. I decided to do a long run on Tuesday (did Q1 on Monday) and for some reason it really beat me up - much more then normal. As a result I pused back q2 to Thursday but even so it was tough keeping the HR up because my legs were so tired.

But I survived

2009-02-27 5:31 PM
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Q1s are the toughest for me, what with all of the slobbering, yelping, and wheezing. Q2s are more about grinding it out.
2009-02-28 9:27 AM
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Hey Jorge--

Well, I picked up a bug (nausea, body aches, general malaise) this week that knocked me out of training for a couple days. So that made q2 my comeback session this morning and I suffered. I may have pushed it coming back a little too early, but I just couldn't take a third day off. The good news was, I was still able to push good watts for me and made it thought the whole session. But from about halfway through the first 20' interval I just plain suffered.


2009-03-01 6:50 PM
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It took two tries for me to complete Q2.  I just plain failed the first time out, which makes 2 failed workouts in the past couple of weeks.  Both times were morning workouts, with the HR rather high from the get go - then I just couldn't maintain the watts.  This has led to some serious self doubts about the watts I can really push.

I quit on this workout Friday morning, regrouped and got it done on Saturday (afternoon).  It was, without a doubt, the hardest 40 minutes I've ever managed on a bike.

If next week has longer intervals than 20 minutes at 100%, I don't know how I'll get through it.

2009-03-01 8:47 PM
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ok peeps, last week # 16 is up. It will be just a testing week to see how much you gain on this 14 weeks (plus holidays) of training, enjoy! http://jorgepbmcoaching.blogspot.com/
2009-03-02 10:15 AM
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GoFaster - 2009-03-01 6:50 PM

It took two tries for me to complete Q2.  I just plain failed the first time out, which makes 2 failed workouts in the past couple of weeks.  Both times were morning workouts, with the HR rather high from the get go - then I just couldn't maintain the watts.  This has led to some serious self doubts about the watts I can really push.

I quit on this workout Friday morning, regrouped and got it done on Saturday (afternoon).  It was, without a doubt, the hardest 40 minutes I've ever managed on a bike.

If next week has longer intervals than 20 minutes at 100%, I don't know how I'll get through it.

Don’t beat your self too much. This past few weeks were VERY tough, especially if you haven’t done this kind of training before! Many athletes usually don’t tend to push out of the comfort zones too often; we systemically made each of you following the plan to push harder and harder and since it is a general plan it is normal to sometimes hit a wall. But by doing so it is how we learn how much is too much and when we have to regroup and push through to get to the other side.

As you can see week 16 is a piece of cake when compared to week 14 or 15 and I can assure you know you can push VERY hard for a 20 min max test now that you know you have done a 2x20 min at threshold. Anyway, your experience is not abnormal in fact it happens more often than not, I know I experienced the same thing the 1st time I did a 2x20 min session.

The past weeks were tough but it is the only way to make important gain for our cycling power; you all completed the plan, now take it easy before doing the final rounds of testing and remember, give it all!

2009-03-02 10:16 AM
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Week 15, Q2 done this morning. 2x20 minutes at 100% CP60, which for me is 280w. Whew! I wont try to tell anyone it was easy but it didn't seem as bad as I expected. I was a bit worried and worked on psyching myself up for the effort. The last few minutes of the second 20 took some extra focus to finish and my heart rate was still climbing. I'm really not sure I could actually do this calculated 100% CP60 for a full 60 minutes though.

Thanks Jorge!
2009-03-03 12:45 PM
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I know we're not all on the same week - but I'm just wondering how many of us there are left from everyone who originally showed interest in Jorge's plan.


2009-03-03 12:59 PM
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GoFaster - 2009-03-03 12:45 PM I know we're not all on the same week - but I'm just wondering how many of us there are left from everyone who originally showed interest in Jorge's plan.

I'm about 1 week behind, but have "enjoyed" this from the start.  Really kept me focused during the winter and kept me from the boring, long training sessions.  Did Wk15 Q2 this morning and really "ENJOYED" that one.  What a way to start the day!

 

Chris

2009-03-03 3:58 PM
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GoFaster - 2009-03-03 12:45 PM I know we're not all on the same week - but I'm just wondering how many of us there are left from everyone who originally showed interest in Jorge's plan.

 

I am starting week 10, so I am a little behind.  I think I can finish yet.  Looks like my knee surgery is April 7th, so it will be close.  Then I can loose a bunch of what I gained.

One way or the other I am treating myself to a new pair of shoes and pedles when I am done.  I am thinking Time RXS and Sidi T2 or Specialized Tri's

Joe

2009-03-03 5:04 PM
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Subject: RE: Increase your Cycling Power over the winter = Faster times on 2009

Did my final LT test this morning. I was still a little sore from biking yesterday and probably not at the top of my game but I worked it harder than any 20 minutes of biking ever before.

In the end, the results showed I boosted my LT 10 bpm and about 50 watts from the first test... and I think that may be on the low end due to not being rested before the test. I'll take that!

2009-03-03 6:33 PM
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A question for Jorge

How does tire pressure or lack of it affect the watts outputted?  I checked mine tonight and was down from 100 to 45 psi.  It's been a few weeks since I checked it last. 

Joe

2009-03-06 9:57 AM
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I'm still here... only 2 weeks behind was out one week sick and this last week I just was blah! so I am back at it full force this week only the plan for week 14 and 15 are not on your blog Jorge. Can you please post? I redid week 13 to get my legs back. Thanks again Jorge!


2009-03-06 11:00 AM
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kimk - 2009-03-06 8:57 AM

I'm still here... only 2 weeks behind was out one week sick and this last week I just was blah! so I am back at it full force this week only the plan for week 14 and 15 are not on your blog Jorge. Can you please post? I redid week 13 to get my legs back. Thanks again Jorge!

To find those missing weeks, go over to the right side of Jorge's other linked blog, scroll down, and under the Blog Archive heading click February. Once on that page, scroll down.

I did the final 20 minute test this morning. An increase of 12 watts for the average over the last test, about +4%. Still have the 5 minute test to do though.

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2009-03-06 8:23 PM
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Jorge, I just wanted to update you on the results of me doing your Winter Workout Program.  Today, I got outside for the first time and could not believe how good I felt on the bike!  My average was close to 18 mph which is almost 3 mph faster than last year in April.  So I am a month ahead and faster.  Plus, I would have been even faster had I not had a 20 mph headwind for about 4 miles that dropped me to 14 mph.  Most of the time I was cruising at 19-20 mph!  For me, this is fast!

Thanks again for putting this together.  I wasn't sure if I was gaining any benefit since I rarely rode my trainer until this winter, but now I know!

Have a great season, and maybe I will see you at some races.

2009-03-06 9:13 PM
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Micawber - 2009-03-06 11:00 AM
kimk - 2009-03-06 8:57 AM I'm still here... only 2 weeks behind was out one week sick and this last week I just was blah! so I am back at it full force this week only the plan for week 14 and 15 are not on your blog Jorge. Can you please post? I redid week 13 to get my legs back. Thanks again Jorge!
To find those missing weeks, go over to the right side of Jorge's other linked blog, scroll down, and under the Blog Archive heading click February. Once on that page, scroll down. I did the final 20 minute test this morning. An increase of 12 watts for the average over the last test, about +4%. Still have the 5 minute test to do though.

found it! Thanks.

2009-03-07 7:24 PM
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Subject: RE: Increase your Cycling Power over the winter = Faster times on 2009

Week 16 is now complete and in the books.  Unfortunately, my software crapped out at 16min, so my test data is not entirely complete, but I'll go with what I have.  My 16min test had me average 297 watts, compared to 287 in the last test, and 273 in the first test.  That has me up 9% from the beginning and just over 4% from the last test.

My FTP went from 261 to 288, and watts/kg from 3.7 to 4.1. 

Overall I'm really happy with the progression during the winter - Jorge I can't thank you enough.  I have a 1/2 Ironman in Sept, and the remainder of the season will be Sprints + 1 Oly.  So I'll start to incorporate some longer rides at Z3 once I can get outside, but continue to do those Z4 intervals which will hopefully help me continue to increase the power.

Once again, thanks very much.  It's been a great learning experience, and I never thought I'd push myself as hard as I had to in some of your sessions.

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