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2015-02-08 11:38 AM
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Nice work James!  You want to use AP for the CP/FTP calculation in GoldenCheetah.  I think you will want to redo the 20' test before adjusting anything as well.  That higher 5' test will actually lower your CP calculation if you use the same 20' number.




Thank you. That was a 13w increase since my last test a month ago. I am doing the 20' test Tuesday.


cool!

did you test in erg mode ?


2015-02-08 12:04 PM
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Nice work James!  You want to use AP for the CP/FTP calculation in GoldenCheetah.  I think you will want to redo the 20' test before adjusting anything as well.  That higher 5' test will actually lower your CP calculation if you use the same 20' number.




Thank you. That was a 13w increase since my last test a month ago. I am doing the 20' test Tuesday.


cool!

did you test in erg mode ?



Marc yes I used the erg file for just the load. The avg was pretty much the same but that really doesn't matter. I followed the 910xt NP avg, 3s and 30s avgs. It was pretty cool for the frist 20' interval I was keeping the 3s and 30s avg close. Pacing I a big problem for me and this is really helping. Wednesday I will use the CT thru GC but still read the 910xt for the output.

2015-02-08 12:12 PM
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Nice work James!  You want to use AP for the CP/FTP calculation in GoldenCheetah.  I think you will want to redo the 20' test before adjusting anything as well.  That higher 5' test will actually lower your CP calculation if you use the same 20' number.




Thank you. That was a 13w increase since my last test a month ago. I am doing the 20' test Tuesday.


cool!

did you test in erg mode ?



Marc yes I used the erg file for just the load. The avg was pretty much the same but that really doesn't matter. I followed the 910xt NP avg, 3s and 30s avgs. It was pretty cool for the frist 20' interval I was keeping the 3s and 30s avg close. Pacing I a big problem for me and this is really helping. Wednesday I will use the CT thru GC but still read the 910xt for the output.




what load did you have programmed for the 5' portion ?
2015-02-08 12:23 PM
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Originally posted by BrotherTri

Originally posted by axteraa

Nice work James!  You want to use AP for the CP/FTP calculation in GoldenCheetah.  I think you will want to redo the 20' test before adjusting anything as well.  That higher 5' test will actually lower your CP calculation if you use the same 20' number.




Thank you. That was a 13w increase since my last test a month ago. I am doing the 20' test Tuesday.


cool!

did you test in erg mode ?



Marc yes I used the erg file for just the load. The avg was pretty much the same but that really doesn't matter. I followed the 910xt NP avg, 3s and 30s avgs. It was pretty cool for the frist 20' interval I was keeping the 3s and 30s avg close. Pacing I a big problem for me and this is really helping. Wednesday I will use the CT thru GC but still read the 910xt for the output.




what load did you have programmed for the 5' portion ?


315w I think that is why my RPM's was so high.

2015-02-08 12:39 PM
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Marc, last year at Syracuse 70.3 I had a high bike rpm 91 or 92. It seams to me that I am either doing 70-80's or 90's. When I was younger and faster I was always high rpms 90+. I don't know what to make of it, its probably nothing.
2015-02-08 5:20 PM
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16 mile run with 1750' of climbing. Mary training back on track


2015-02-08 5:52 PM
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16 mile run with 1750' of climbing. Mary training back on track


Nice Chris! Good to hear that you are back. That type of climbing will be good for Alcatraz as well.
2015-02-08 5:54 PM
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Awesome Chris!  How the heck do you go from pool running to 16 miles so fast?  Quite a turnaround!

2015-02-09 7:34 AM
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Originally posted by axteraa

Originally posted by Birkierunner

Originally posted by BrotherTri
Originally posted by Birkierunner

I had my shoulder MRI this afternoon.  Hoping the Dr can make an appointment opening for me on Friday so I don't have to wonder about the results over the weekend.

Hey Jim crossing fingers. How is it been feeling?

Still fairly painful but now more of a dull ache.  ROM may have improved about 10% the past week or so.  Its getting a little old to deal with but others have dealt with stuff light years more serious than this.  Thanks for asking!

Hey Jim, I hope things work out well for you and you don't have to wonder all weekend.  I watched Tab suffer with her shoulder and it wasn't nice.

Jim, hope you get results quickly and a good prognosis. My experience with shoulder issues has been that ROM improvements can be slow (comparatively) but continue for a long time. Good luck.

Thanks for all the well-wishes.  I had the doctor appt on Friday and before he even finished closing the door and sat down he blurted out, "yeah you have a labral tear".  He talked about the options and wasn't very encouraging that (given my athletic goals) simple rehab would be satisfactory so he recommended surgery.  Due to my schedule and a couple of surgeons being on vacation I can't even get in for a surgeon consult until March 2, so I'm guessing a mid-March surgery.  Initial recovery is supposed to be 6 weeks with full recovery in 3-4 months.  That put's CDA in jeopardy for being competitive. I did buy the cancellation insurance for the first time so maybe I jinxed myself   Not sure of the rules with race cancellation versus transfer.....so....maybe IMMT??   Anyway, I have a 50k ski marathon in 2 weeks that I don't plan on missing (gotta keep the 18 year string going) so it will basically be a one-armed ski and I'll carry a pole in the other hand just for balance.  Have a great week everyone.

2015-02-09 9:56 AM
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Chris - glad you're back at it (and impressively so).

Jim, total bummer.  At least they're saying "Full" recovery in a few months, but I'm sorry to hear that it's surgical.  Adding insult to injury to not be able to schedule the operation, as well.

As for being a one-armed-bandit at a FIFTY k ski race, yikes!  Hardcore...    

Matt

 

2015-02-09 10:02 AM
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Sorry to see you're facing surgery Jim - hopefully you rebound quickly, but without pushing too hard trying to make the race start.  



2015-02-09 11:02 AM
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Thanks for all the well-wishes.  I had the doctor appt on Friday and before he even finished closing the door and sat down he blurted out, "yeah you have a labral tear".  He talked about the options and wasn't very encouraging that (given my athletic goals) simple rehab would be satisfactory so he recommended surgery.  Due to my schedule and a couple of surgeons being on vacation I can't even get in for a surgeon consult until March 2, so I'm guessing a mid-March surgery.  Initial recovery is supposed to be 6 weeks with full recovery in 3-4 months.  That put's CDA in jeopardy for being competitive. I did buy the cancellation insurance for the first time so maybe I jinxed myself   Not sure of the rules with race cancellation versus transfer.....so....maybe IMMT??   Anyway, I have a 50k ski marathon in 2 weeks that I don't plan on missing (gotta keep the 18 year string going) so it will basically be a one-armed ski and I'll carry a pole in the other hand just for balance.  Have a great week everyone.




Sorry to hear this Jim. Can you run and bike somewhat normally during the recovery ? I am guessing some trainer time post op ?
2015-02-09 11:24 AM
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Originally posted by marcag
Originally posted by Birkierunner Thanks for all the well-wishes.  I had the doctor appt on Friday and before he even finished closing the door and sat down he blurted out, "yeah you have a labral tear".  He talked about the options and wasn't very encouraging that (given my athletic goals) simple rehab would be satisfactory so he recommended surgery.  Due to my schedule and a couple of surgeons being on vacation I can't even get in for a surgeon consult until March 2, so I'm guessing a mid-March surgery.  Initial recovery is supposed to be 6 weeks with full recovery in 3-4 months.  That put's CDA in jeopardy for being competitive. I did buy the cancellation insurance for the first time so maybe I jinxed myself   Not sure of the rules with race cancellation versus transfer.....so....maybe IMMT??   Anyway, I have a 50k ski marathon in 2 weeks that I don't plan on missing (gotta keep the 18 year string going) so it will basically be a one-armed ski and I'll carry a pole in the other hand just for balance.  Have a great week everyone.
Sorry to hear this Jim. Can you run and bike somewhat normally during the recovery ? I am guessing some trainer time post op ?

Not really sure how much running will affect pain levels and I'm hoping that riding on the computrainer will be do-able.  On a brighter note, this morning I managed to get the doc consult moved up to Feb 19 so surgery the first week of March is a possibility. 

2015-02-09 11:56 AM
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Originally posted by marcag
Originally posted by Birkierunner Thanks for all the well-wishes.  I had the doctor appt on Friday and before he even finished closing the door and sat down he blurted out, "yeah you have a labral tear".  He talked about the options and wasn't very encouraging that (given my athletic goals) simple rehab would be satisfactory so he recommended surgery.  Due to my schedule and a couple of surgeons being on vacation I can't even get in for a surgeon consult until March 2, so I'm guessing a mid-March surgery.  Initial recovery is supposed to be 6 weeks with full recovery in 3-4 months.  That put's CDA in jeopardy for being competitive. I did buy the cancellation insurance for the first time so maybe I jinxed myself   Not sure of the rules with race cancellation versus transfer.....so....maybe IMMT??   Anyway, I have a 50k ski marathon in 2 weeks that I don't plan on missing (gotta keep the 18 year string going) so it will basically be a one-armed ski and I'll carry a pole in the other hand just for balance.  Have a great week everyone.
Sorry to hear this Jim. Can you run and bike somewhat normally during the recovery ? I am guessing some trainer time post op ?

Not really sure how much running will affect pain levels and I'm hoping that riding on the computrainer will be do-able.  On a brighter note, this morning I managed to get the doc consult moved up to Feb 19 so surgery the first week of March is a possibility. 

Good news, sorry about the surgery though.  Hopefully gets you back in the swing for some later races 

2015-02-09 12:00 PM
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Awesome Chris!  How the heck do you go from pool running to 16 miles so fast?  Quite a turnaround!

I had some good 13+ very hilly mile fitness going into the injury, kept up as much elliptical as I could handle, then got back on the treadmill for as long as I could until it got tight, and then added aqua on top of that, that I did 4-5 times.  Last weekend I ran a very easy 13 flat.  So fitness wise I was almost there, and I used a run/walk for the hills.  the last mile was pretty tough but mostly downhill, but my quads now pay the price for that as none of what I was doing simulated that downhill running.



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2015-02-09 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by marcag
Originally posted by Birkierunner Thanks for all the well-wishes.  I had the doctor appt on Friday and before he even finished closing the door and sat down he blurted out, "yeah you have a labral tear".  He talked about the options and wasn't very encouraging that (given my athletic goals) simple rehab would be satisfactory so he recommended surgery.  Due to my schedule and a couple of surgeons being on vacation I can't even get in for a surgeon consult until March 2, so I'm guessing a mid-March surgery.  Initial recovery is supposed to be 6 weeks with full recovery in 3-4 months.  That put's CDA in jeopardy for being competitive. I did buy the cancellation insurance for the first time so maybe I jinxed myself   Not sure of the rules with race cancellation versus transfer.....so....maybe IMMT??   Anyway, I have a 50k ski marathon in 2 weeks that I don't plan on missing (gotta keep the 18 year string going) so it will basically be a one-armed ski and I'll carry a pole in the other hand just for balance.  Have a great week everyone.
Sorry to hear this Jim. Can you run and bike somewhat normally during the recovery ? I am guessing some trainer time post op ?

Not really sure how much running will affect pain levels and I'm hoping that riding on the computrainer will be do-able.  On a brighter note, this morning I managed to get the doc consult moved up to Feb 19 so surgery the first week of March is a possibility. 

Good news, sorry about the surgery though.  Hopefully gets you back in the swing for some later races 

well, glad you know and have a game plan. Also great news you got the consult bumped.


2015-02-09 12:13 PM
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Awesome Chris!  How the heck do you go from pool running to 16 miles so fast?  Quite a turnaround!

I had some good 13+ very hilly mile fitness going into the injury, kept up as much elliptical as I could handle, then got back on the treadmill for as long as I could until it got tight, and then added aqua on top of that, that I did 4-5 times.  Last weekend I ran a very easy 13 flat.  So fitness wise I was almost there, and I used a run/walk for the hills.  the last mile was pretty tough but mostly downhill, but my quads now pay the price for that as none of what I was doing simulated that downhill running.

Be careful! It's great the fitness is there but make sure the legs are too. You don't want to prolong this injury!
2015-02-09 12:52 PM
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Sorry to see you're facing surgery Jim - hopefully you rebound quickly, but without pushing too hard trying to make the race start.  

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2015-02-09 1:53 PM
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A little bike humor for the day...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OhUJywiSUE

 

2015-02-09 3:19 PM
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LOL!!!!

That's the truth.......
2015-02-09 3:26 PM
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Originally posted by Birkierunner

Not really sure how much running will affect pain levels and I'm hoping that riding on the computrainer will be do-able.  On a brighter note, this morning I managed to get the doc consult moved up to Feb 19 so surgery the first week of March is a possibility. 

Jim, that's good news that you've been able to move things up. Hopefully the surgeon will be able to do the repair arthroscopically, which should shorten recovery time. I had a different shoulder repair - ORIF, plates, pins and rotator cuff - but there wasn't really any acute pain post op. I had a nerve block which helped a lot in the first 24-48 hours. Surgery was on a Thursday and I was able to work by the middle of the following week. You will probably be in a sling for at least a few weeks. I had to immobilize for 6 weeks.  In NJ it is illegal to drive in a sling - it's the equivalent of a DUI and the insurance penalty is huge. So after the first week, I just took the sling off to drive and was fine. Sleep disruption was a big challenge for longer than I expected. I slept in a chair for quite a while, but ymmv.  Good luck and hope all goes well for a successful repair and speedy recovery. 



2015-02-09 6:29 PM
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Originally posted by BrotherTri
Originally posted by spudone

A little bike humor for the day...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OhUJywiSUE

 

LOL!!!! That's the truth.......

I was extra impressed with the usage of chopsticks!

2015-02-10 1:11 PM
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Originally posted by kcarroll

Originally posted by Birkierunner

Not really sure how much running will affect pain levels and I'm hoping that riding on the computrainer will be do-able.  On a brighter note, this morning I managed to get the doc consult moved up to Feb 19 so surgery the first week of March is a possibility. 

Jim, that's good news that you've been able to move things up. Hopefully the surgeon will be able to do the repair arthroscopically, which should shorten recovery time. I had a different shoulder repair - ORIF, plates, pins and rotator cuff - but there wasn't really any acute pain post op. I had a nerve block which helped a lot in the first 24-48 hours. Surgery was on a Thursday and I was able to work by the middle of the following week. You will probably be in a sling for at least a few weeks. I had to immobilize for 6 weeks.  In NJ it is illegal to drive in a sling - it's the equivalent of a DUI and the insurance penalty is huge. So after the first week, I just took the sling off to drive and was fine. Sleep disruption was a big challenge for longer than I expected. I slept in a chair for quite a while, but ymmv.  Good luck and hope all goes well for a successful repair and speedy recovery. 

I got very used to sleeping on my side, good shoulder down, with a pillow at my chest to prop up the cut shoulder.  Took a bit over a month until I could sleep on my back without waking up from having moved inappropriately (and I don't mean toward The Better Half).  On that note, spooning and having The Better Half prop your arm up sounds good, until one of you moves. 

Hope it goes quickly.

Matt

2015-02-10 2:00 PM
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Ok did a 20' Power test today. I was really apprehensive about it for two reasons. I had a HUGH argument with a fellow co worker that I care about. That was about a hour before the test and I know I dumped some adrenalin . The other thing is yesterday was another extremely fatiguing day, but not as bad as last week. Anyway I did the test with great results. My current 5' is 342w and 20' is 313 My CP is 303 and my W' is 12Kj Still not sure what that W' does for me or really what my FTP is. Anyways here are the screen shoots. O' the 20' test was interrupted a bit because I goofed with the erg file. I put 315w in for the 20'. I guess I was still upset, so I stopped that file and loaded a flat slopped file for the load. This is why you will see a drop in Watts about 5' in. Its all good and my zones really seam to make sense now. About time.....

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2015-02-10 2:15 PM
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Originally posted by mcmanusclan5

I got very used to sleeping on my side, good shoulder down, with a pillow at my chest to prop up the cut shoulder.  Took a bit over a month until I could sleep on my back without waking up from having moved inappropriately (and I don't mean toward The Better Half).  On that note, spooning and having The Better Half prop your arm up sounds good, until one of you moves. 

yeah, I've had about 7 weeks of sleep disruption already to practice for my additional 6 weeks of post-surgery disruption

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