They are getting worse (NFL Replacement Refs) (Page 3)

Well, by rule, if it's simultaneous possession then it goes to the offense.  While I agree it looked more "possessed" by the defender, if it's not 100% you can make the argument that it's simultaneous.  

That call is a nightmare for any ref, replacement or not.

No clue.  That was a terrible call.  I'm curious what the fallout will be after that.

The call was pretty clear on the review. Tate never had possession of the ball until the player was on the ground. I can understand missing it in real time, but other than hoping to avoid a riot, there was no excuse not to overturn it.

What was inexcusable were the pass intereference calls and non calls down the stretch. There were 3 in the last 6 minutes, all horrid. Jon Gruden said last year on MNF  that offensive PI is virtually never called on hail marys. I think tonight we saw the one case that should have been the exception.

Think Goodell is drinking heavily now?

I see Tate with both hands on the ball coming down.....it's an abortion for sure....but I'm not sure "regular" refs make it any better, they blow plenty as well....that's a crazy call to make.

As I saw it, Tate leveled the the first Green Bay defender, then got one hand on the ball as the 2nd defender secured the ball against his body. Tate then brought his second hand to the ball, pulled both hands off the ball to readjust, then pulls tight as they hit the ground. The officials ran in, looked lost, then ruled touchdown.

In order to be simultaneous possession, the players must gain possession of the ball at exactly the same time. If one player secures the ball first, it is theirs. That is what happened here.

Honestly though, Seattle never should have been down at this end of the field anyway. The PI call on 3rd and 37 was probably the worst call of the season... for a whole 10 minutes.

I wouldn't want to argue your points.....but to say it's a product of the replacements refs....I don't know....I'm not going there.  Again, that's a nightmare call for an official.

That is exactly how I saw it.  I just finished running on the treadmill and was wiping it down as it happened.  My first reaction when seeing it live was..."wow, what an interception."  I didn't even think twice about it and continued wiping down when the guy next to me yells "touchdown!".  Then I saw the replay, and it confirmed exactly what I saw in real time.

So from my perspective...I have no sympathy for the refs.  They missed the offensive PI which was right in front of them (I didn't see it live because I was watching the ball, but the refs shouldn't be watching the ball).  Then they missed the call that I could clearly see from a wide tv camera view.  Then they got to review it on replay...and they still got it wrong.  If Tate had both hands on the ball to begin with, then I could see how you can't overturn the call on the field, but it was pretty clear that the defender had two hands and the ball against his chest while Tate's right hand was clearly not on the ball.

John Clayton was on the radio after the game and he said the biggest error was that the refs rushed the call on the field, then immediately ran to the replay booth.  What the regular refs would have done, and we have seen in the past is that they all huddle up and ask everyone what they saw...then come to a decision as a crew what the call on the field is first and foremost...because they know that is what needs to be overturned with indisputable evidence.  The refs in this game decided that they would just call touchdown and hope that replay would bail them out...because if they took the time on the field to discuss, and called interception (which one ref did), then I doubt they overturn that call either.

In any case, I'm still dumbfounded that the call still wasn't overturned.  And I think the only reason Green Bay came back out on the field was because they wanted to complete the game so they wouldn't lose out on the chance to file a formal protest.  I don't know if it would have mattered, but you never know if that would be the loophole where the NFL says GBs protest can't be reviewed because they left the field and basically forfeited.

Wow.  That's all I can say...  wow!  Even from my couch and a television, I could see in real time the moment the ball came down that it was all Jennings.  Clearly an interception.  More than clear - obvious.

Maybe these guys can't focus in front of the crowd?

The problem is that while the "quality of the product" is suffering, the revenues are not.  People are still filling seats in the stadiums, watching on TV and buying the merchendise.  The owners haven't lost a nickel.  I suppose to them, so what if the quality of the calls suck, they're not losing anything.  I don't even know of the Commissioner has the power to force the owners to settle this.  I guess he works for them.

Wow.

Da Bears think last nights call against the Packers was great.

Maybe if Vegas gets involved something might get done.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8422934/seattle-seahawks-vs-green-bay-packers-disputed-mnf-call-shifted-150-250m-bets

WEll, at least unofficially involved.

Roadhouse.

The cowboys sucked and it's all Romo's fault. That's all you need to know.

 agreed, this was the first game this year I've actually sat down to watch the entire game and I was really impressed with seatle D in the first half.  just incredible.   we should be talking about that.. not the failed lingerie leagues refs in the nfl

Actually, they can review who had possession.  Only in the end zone though.  If this happened in the field of play, review cannot be used to determine who had possession.  So in this case, the refs did have the power to overturn the call, and chose not to.  Then the NFL comes out with a statement that they support the refs decision not to overturn.  I understand why they are taking that stance of backing up the refs call...but it bothers me that they actually did.  If this were the real refs that made this mistake, and there was no labor dispute ongoing, I think the NFL's response would be very different.

Nope. A week 3 MNF game isn't even close to a super bowl loss. That game is widely regarded as one of the worst officiated games of all time (prior to these replacements of course, who have probably one-upped them multiple times)