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 2012-07-17 1:31 PM in reply to: #4316162 |
Champion  18680       Lost in the Luminiferous Aether |  Subject: RE: If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happenJoshR - 2012-07-17 2:25 PM scoobysdad - 2012-07-17 12:21 PM powerman - 2012-07-17 1:13 PM Then you might as well give up hope on the American Experiment. Because a third party isn't going to arise and seize power any time soon. ETA: As for Obama, he may have PRESENTED himself as a breath of fresh air and a Washington outsider. But look at his background and campaign financing. He was as much a product and puppet of the American political system as it gets. scoobysdad - 2012-07-17 11:47 AM I'll be the contrarian and say I think there are still a few good, smart, incorruptible politicians out there: "The President recently suggested that a central government – not individuals – deserves the credit for building successful businesses. This sentiment makes for terrible economics, but also reveals a confused morality. In a free community, everyone co-operates by voluntarily offering unique gifts: some invent, some invest, others labor, or sell while customers reward the best producers and providers by buying their products and services. Government has a critical role to play in this process: establishing rules that enable open competition and securing peace and order with courts, defense forces, first responders, teachers, infrastructure, and a safety net for the most vulnerable. Government helps create the space for innovation and prosperity, but government does not fill that space – and it should not try to, as the last few years have shown us. Only free citizens create things that improve our lives. A free economy and strong communities are the best means to reward effort with justice, to promote upward mobility, and to build solidarity among citizens. The President’s vision of a government-centered society – reflected in both his troubling rhetoric and his failed policies – belittles fair rewards for labor and enterprise. To renew prosperity and rebuild our communities, we must recommit to the American Idea of freedom and justice for all." -- Congressman Paul Ryan And I will be the realist and say big fat hairy deal. And that is being generous and giving Ryan the benefit of the doubt. Washington is a company town. Politics is a team sport. Individuals can't change a thing. Look at Ron Paul... look at the take over of the TEA party. Obama actually was a breath of fresh air. I didn't vote for him because he was not qualified.. but I wanted to believe. I wanted change. I thought maybe it was going to start. And you can look back and it was like a light switch. Obama on the campaign trail, Obama in office. As soon as he was sworn in... he became a team player. Like he was sat down on the first day... nice Job sport... now this is how it is... and you will tow the line.... OK.
I disagree. I kind of want Romney to win so that when the next 4 years suck like the current 4 years, people might start to look for change. Sadly my current attitude about the vast majority of my fellow citizens leads me to feel this just won't be the case. We get the government we wanted. It is our fault not the politicians, they are only doing what we want them to do. This may not be the case for you or I but it is the case for many Americans.
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| 2012-07-17 1:51 PM in reply to: #4316177 |
Expert 1830 | Subject: RE: If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen trinnas - 2012-07-17 1:31 PM JoshR - 2012-07-17 2:25 PM scoobysdad - 2012-07-17 12:21 PM powerman - 2012-07-17 1:13 PM Then you might as well give up hope on the American Experiment. Because a third party isn't going to arise and seize power any time soon. ETA: As for Obama, he may have PRESENTED himself as a breath of fresh air and a Washington outsider. But look at his background and campaign financing. He was as much a product and puppet of the American political system as it gets. scoobysdad - 2012-07-17 11:47 AM I'll be the contrarian and say I think there are still a few good, smart, incorruptible politicians out there: "The President recently suggested that a central government – not individuals – deserves the credit for building successful businesses. This sentiment makes for terrible economics, but also reveals a confused morality. In a free community, everyone co-operates by voluntarily offering unique gifts: some invent, some invest, others labor, or sell while customers reward the best producers and providers by buying their products and services. Government has a critical role to play in this process: establishing rules that enable open competition and securing peace and order with courts, defense forces, first responders, teachers, infrastructure, and a safety net for the most vulnerable. Government helps create the space for innovation and prosperity, but government does not fill that space – and it should not try to, as the last few years have shown us. Only free citizens create things that improve our lives. A free economy and strong communities are the best means to reward effort with justice, to promote upward mobility, and to build solidarity among citizens. The President’s vision of a government-centered society – reflected in both his troubling rhetoric and his failed policies – belittles fair rewards for labor and enterprise. To renew prosperity and rebuild our communities, we must recommit to the American Idea of freedom and justice for all." -- Congressman Paul Ryan And I will be the realist and say big fat hairy deal. And that is being generous and giving Ryan the benefit of the doubt. Washington is a company town. Politics is a team sport. Individuals can't change a thing. Look at Ron Paul... look at the take over of the TEA party. Obama actually was a breath of fresh air. I didn't vote for him because he was not qualified.. but I wanted to believe. I wanted change. I thought maybe it was going to start. And you can look back and it was like a light switch. Obama on the campaign trail, Obama in office. As soon as he was sworn in... he became a team player. Like he was sat down on the first day... nice Job sport... now this is how it is... and you will tow the line.... OK.
I disagree. I kind of want Romney to win so that when the next 4 years suck like the current 4 years, people might start to look for change. Sadly my current attitude about the vast majority of my fellow citizens leads me to feel this just won't be the case. We get the government we wanted. It is our fault not the politicians, they are only doing what we want them to do. This may not be the case for you or I but it is the case for many Americans.
^^what she said. We have the government that we deserve. We continually re-elect the very same people that we rail against. When someone new comes along, we complain "they don't have the experience to be "X". So, we keep those in office that do have experience. They have experience doing exactly the things that we despise. So, we are our own worst enemy. |
| 2012-07-17 1:58 PM in reply to: #4316144 |
Pro 6767 the Alabama part of Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen scoobysdad - 2012-07-17 2:21 PM ... Then you might as well give up hope on the American Experiment. Because a third party isn't going to arise and seize power any time soon. ETA: As for Obama, he may have PRESENTED himself as a breath of fresh air and a Washington outsider. But look at his background and campaign financing. He was as much a product and puppet of the American political system as it gets. You make it sound like he was not serious about trying to bring about change. I think he really believed that his style of reconciliation and dialogue would work. He was wrong. Very wrong. Politics has become so much more partisan, and we have only the extremists on either end whose primary goals seem only to be to make the other side look bad, regardless of the merits of the arguments. I blame several factors - yes, we elect them. But we choose them the same way we choose everything we have choices about - based on the advertising and media. And with a 24 hour "news" cycle, with multiple mouths clamoring to be heard, we end up with the worst of all possible worlds. I forget which senior politician made the observation, but I recall recently hearing one of them make the observation that everyone just sits on their own side of the aisles, not just during sessions and debate, but afterwards. Instead of going to the bars and getting to one another as human beings, everyone sits in their own little bunkers and demonizes the other side. |
| 2012-07-17 2:01 PM in reply to: #4316177 |
Expert 3126 Boise, ID | Subject: RE: If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen trinnas - 2012-07-17 12:31 PM JoshR - 2012-07-17 2:25 PM scoobysdad - 2012-07-17 12:21 PM powerman - 2012-07-17 1:13 PM Then you might as well give up hope on the American Experiment. Because a third party isn't going to arise and seize power any time soon. ETA: As for Obama, he may have PRESENTED himself as a breath of fresh air and a Washington outsider. But look at his background and campaign financing. He was as much a product and puppet of the American political system as it gets. scoobysdad - 2012-07-17 11:47 AM I'll be the contrarian and say I think there are still a few good, smart, incorruptible politicians out there: "The President recently suggested that a central government – not individuals – deserves the credit for building successful businesses. This sentiment makes for terrible economics, but also reveals a confused morality. In a free community, everyone co-operates by voluntarily offering unique gifts: some invent, some invest, others labor, or sell while customers reward the best producers and providers by buying their products and services. Government has a critical role to play in this process: establishing rules that enable open competition and securing peace and order with courts, defense forces, first responders, teachers, infrastructure, and a safety net for the most vulnerable. Government helps create the space for innovation and prosperity, but government does not fill that space – and it should not try to, as the last few years have shown us. Only free citizens create things that improve our lives. A free economy and strong communities are the best means to reward effort with justice, to promote upward mobility, and to build solidarity among citizens. The President’s vision of a government-centered society – reflected in both his troubling rhetoric and his failed policies – belittles fair rewards for labor and enterprise. To renew prosperity and rebuild our communities, we must recommit to the American Idea of freedom and justice for all." -- Congressman Paul Ryan And I will be the realist and say big fat hairy deal. And that is being generous and giving Ryan the benefit of the doubt. Washington is a company town. Politics is a team sport. Individuals can't change a thing. Look at Ron Paul... look at the take over of the TEA party. Obama actually was a breath of fresh air. I didn't vote for him because he was not qualified.. but I wanted to believe. I wanted change. I thought maybe it was going to start. And you can look back and it was like a light switch. Obama on the campaign trail, Obama in office. As soon as he was sworn in... he became a team player. Like he was sat down on the first day... nice Job sport... now this is how it is... and you will tow the line.... OK.
I disagree. I kind of want Romney to win so that when the next 4 years suck like the current 4 years, people might start to look for change. Sadly my current attitude about the vast majority of my fellow citizens leads me to feel this just won't be the case. We get the government we wanted. It is our fault not the politicians, they are only doing what we want them to do. This may not be the case for you or I but it is the case for many Americans.
^^agree Most people vote on sound bites and 30 second commercials. Others vote on what the candidate can do for them. 51% of us don't pay in and enjoy the handouts. The majority has spoken. |
| 2012-07-17 2:05 PM in reply to: #4316268 |
Champion 6056 Menomonee Falls, WI | Subject: RE: If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen gearboy - 2012-07-17 1:58 PM scoobysdad - 2012-07-17 2:21 PM ... Then you might as well give up hope on the American Experiment. Because a third party isn't going to arise and seize power any time soon. ETA: As for Obama, he may have PRESENTED himself as a breath of fresh air and a Washington outsider. But look at his background and campaign financing. He was as much a product and puppet of the American political system as it gets. You make it sound like he was not serious about trying to bring about change. I think he really believed that his style of reconciliation and dialogue would work. He was wrong. Very wrong. Politics has become so much more partisan, and we have only the extremists on either end whose primary goals seem only to be to make the other side look bad, regardless of the merits of the arguments. I blame several factors - yes, we elect them. But we choose them the same way we choose everything we have choices about - based on the advertising and media. And with a 24 hour "news" cycle, with multiple mouths clamoring to be heard, we end up with the worst of all possible worlds. I forget which senior politician made the observation, but I recall recently hearing one of them make the observation that everyone just sits on their own side of the aisles, not just during sessions and debate, but afterwards. Instead of going to the bars and getting to one another as human beings, everyone sits in their own little bunkers and demonizes the other side. Um, "his style of reconciliation and dialogue"? Seriously? Among his first initiatives was to ram through a Stimulus package and ACA act that literally no one had read and to tell the GOP they had "get in the back seat" because he was driving now. He may have a style, but it sure isn't one of reaching across the aisle. I don't dispute that both sides are more polarized than they have been in years, but he sure didn't do anything to dispel that. |
| 2012-07-17 2:50 PM in reply to: #4316268 |
Champion 7347 SRQ, FL | Subject: RE: If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen gearboy - 2012-07-17 2:58 PM scoobysdad - 2012-07-17 2:21 PM ... Then you might as well give up hope on the American Experiment. Because a third party isn't going to arise and seize power any time soon. ETA: As for Obama, he may have PRESENTED himself as a breath of fresh air and a Washington outsider. But look at his background and campaign financing. He was as much a product and puppet of the American political system as it gets. You make it sound like he was not serious about trying to bring about change. I think he really believed that his style of reconciliation and dialogue would work. He was wrong. Very wrong. Politics has become so much more partisan, and we have only the extremists on either end whose primary goals seem only to be to make the other side look bad, regardless of the merits of the arguments. He had 2 years of a democratic controlled Congress to bring about this "hope and change". He didn't do squat. Then after the public spoke and got rid of the democratic majority in the House he whines about the Republicans stopping "progress". |
| 2012-07-17 2:53 PM in reply to: #4313234 |
| Subject: RE: If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen Most small businesses fail So if the government gets credit for successes, by definition it takes blame for more failures. Unless, of course, he is saying that "you failed because you are a bad businessman" which would, of course, negate the original statement Is it November yet? Edited by ChrisM 2012-07-17 2:53 PM |
| 2012-07-17 2:59 PM in reply to: #4313234 |
Master 1795 Boynton Beach, FL | Subject: RE: If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen All good points made in last 3 pages... At least good dialogue. I can't quite wrap my arms around which is worse scenerio, fact that our President would even whisper such words in public let alone have those thoughts privately or that close to 50% of the citizens in this Country share in the same belief. I agree that a potential Romney win will only further strain the failure of a two Party system and that a 3rd party representative is really not that far off the horizon. Try 2016. |
| 2012-07-17 4:08 PM in reply to: #4316439 |
Master 2702 CHINA GROVE N.C., North Carolina | Subject: RE: If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen Cardenas1, those thoughts scare me too. He has had such an opportunity to show so many "Look what YOU CAN do. Instead, I honestly believe his message has been received as " Look what the rich have taken from you" or " you are entitled to your share too" or " we will take care of you". Sure, you and I know differently (we do, right ?), but do you honestly think there aren't millions who believe some version of this ? Not only did he miss the opportunity... he is stoking the embers of a fire that is going to burn white hot. Thanks, Mr. President.... you have done more to further the entitlement/blame/excuse game than anyone in recent history, and I mean anyone. I want to ask a question to the Obama supporters; is he honestly scared he will alienate his base if he brings some version o the message of: you can work hard and achieve/personal responsibility/I can partly control my own fate ? Seriously. To be fair, maybe he has made speeches to the contrary but this is what we remember. He is in serious, serious trouble. |
| 2012-07-17 4:51 PM in reply to: #4316144 |
Elite 6387 | Subject: RE: If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen scoobysdad - 2012-07-17 12:21 PM Then you might as well give up hope on the American Experiment. Because a third party isn't going to arise and seize power any time soon. ETA: As for Obama, he may have PRESENTED himself as a breath of fresh air and a Washington outsider. But look at his background and campaign financing. He was as much a product and puppet of the American political system as it gets. I knew what his record was... I have given up hope and the experiment is over. The experiment ended when we became the sole Super power after the fall of the Soviet Union. It was a success. You can have all the people from every corner of the world come and build the greatest nation in the world. We are now in the long slow decent from greatness. This country will never turn back from the course it is on. American's will not give up one benefit given to them. Tax payers will not give one more cent. Politicians will not give back any money. Special interests will not stop paying for favorable legislation. The rules are in place and the players are playing. Barring a complete global financial collapse, a asteroid killing half the global population, or Yellowstone blowing up... we will continue this course into mediocrity. I don't even have ill feeling. I simply believe society becomes too big to support itself. People loose the community identity and interconnectivity is such a huge populace. Now it isn't even the U.S., but it is now global.. jobs outsources, economies based solely on the flow of money and not on the flow of goods. Everyone trying to get their pieces of the pie they think is free for the taking... except it is "someone's pie"... but screw that other guy, I don't even know him. It isn't like we are just going to spontaneously combust now... we will limp along like this for quite some time. A global natural disaster will strike and hit reset. Edited by powerman 2012-07-17 5:00 PM |
| 2012-07-17 9:00 PM in reply to: #4313234 |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen Dammit, I've Obama's been too busy running my business the last few days and I go and miss a good political thread in CoJ. grrr Oh well, all I have to say is: POWERMAN FOR PRESIDENT!!! |
| 2012-07-17 9:47 PM in reply to: #4313234 |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen |
| 2012-07-17 9:51 PM in reply to: #4313234 |
Elite 6387 | Subject: RE: If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen Good God, that's a scary thought. Thanks though. I'm just good at complaining. There are plenty of smarter people out there than me.. heck just right here in our little part of the web. I really don't think it is rocket science for any one. The rich should not have to pay more. They should just pay their rate without all the breaks and loop holes. Corporations do not need subsidies. We should have social security that is a safety net, not a retirement. And we should have medical care too as a safety net... but those things are very expensive and need to be funded. We need to be able to defend ourselves and that includes the ability to project our power... but we most certainly can cut back form being the global police force and mind our own business for a while. Stop tying health care and taxes to employment. Abolish the tax code and implement a consumption tax to include everyone.... yes it still can be progressive. Recognize the fact that we are going to have people immigrate here. Reform immigrant workers polices to give them some dignity and us some relief. Legalize drugs and stop criminalizing a portion of the population, funding organized crime, and arming our police departments like urban warfare units. Incentivize smart money management and savings, not credit based consumerism. Alright... well that's enough for the first day. Tomorrow I will be busy with my long run and swim. |
| 2012-07-17 10:06 PM in reply to: #4313234 |
Member 25 Cali | Subject: RE: If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen This was also making the rounds on fb today..
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| 2012-07-17 10:24 PM in reply to: #4317112 |
Champion 6627 Rochester Hills, Michigan Gold member | Subject: RE: If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen powerman - 2012-07-17 10:51 PM Good God, that's a scary thought. Thanks though. I'm just good at complaining. There are plenty of smarter people out there than me.. heck just right here in our little part of the web. I really don't think it is rocket science for any one. The rich should not have to pay more. They should just pay their rate without all the breaks and loop holes. Corporations do not need subsidies. We should have social security that is a safety net, not a retirement. And we should have medical care too as a safety net... but those things are very expensive and need to be funded. We need to be able to defend ourselves and that includes the ability to project our power... but we most certainly can cut back form being the global police force and mind our own business for a while. Stop tying health care and taxes to employment. Abolish the tax code and implement a consumption tax to include everyone.... yes it still can be progressive. Recognize the fact that we are going to have people immigrate here. Reform immigrant workers polices to give them some dignity and us some relief. Legalize drugs and stop criminalizing a portion of the population, funding organized crime, and arming our police departments like urban warfare units. Incentivize smart money management and savings, not credit based consumerism. Alright... well that's enough for the first day. Tomorrow I will be busy with my long run and swim. I usually don't hit political threads, but throw in tort reform, and what you've laid out is a "Resonsibility with reason" platform. And that's what needs to happen. I'm pessimistic it will in my lifetime, tho. |
| 2012-07-17 10:31 PM in reply to: #4317152 |
Elite 6387 | Subject: RE: If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen rkreuser - 2012-07-17 9:24 PM powerman - 2012-07-17 10:51 PM Good God, that's a scary thought. Thanks though. I'm just good at complaining. There are plenty of smarter people out there than me.. heck just right here in our little part of the web. I really don't think it is rocket science for any one. The rich should not have to pay more. They should just pay their rate without all the breaks and loop holes. Corporations do not need subsidies. We should have social security that is a safety net, not a retirement. And we should have medical care too as a safety net... but those things are very expensive and need to be funded. We need to be able to defend ourselves and that includes the ability to project our power... but we most certainly can cut back form being the global police force and mind our own business for a while. Stop tying health care and taxes to employment. Abolish the tax code and implement a consumption tax to include everyone.... yes it still can be progressive. Recognize the fact that we are going to have people immigrate here. Reform immigrant workers polices to give them some dignity and us some relief. Legalize drugs and stop criminalizing a portion of the population, funding organized crime, and arming our police departments like urban warfare units. Incentivize smart money management and savings, not credit based consumerism. Alright... well that's enough for the first day. Tomorrow I will be busy with my long run and swim. I usually don't hit political threads, but throw in tort reform, and what you've laid out is a "Resonsibility with reason" platform. And that's what needs to happen. I'm pessimistic it will in my lifetime, tho. Have you seen HBO's "Hot Coffee"? I didn't necessarily take it as gospel, but it was a real eye opener. It is about several big cases and the history of "tort reform". Watch it sometime. It's really good. http://www.hbo.com/documentaries/hot-coffee/synopsis.html Edited by powerman 2012-07-17 10:32 PM |
| 2012-07-18 8:25 AM in reply to: #4317152 |
Elite 4564 Boise | Subject: RE: If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen rkreuser - 2012-07-17 9:24 PM powerman - 2012-07-17 10:51 PM Good God, that's a scary thought. Thanks though. I'm just good at complaining. There are plenty of smarter people out there than me.. heck just right here in our little part of the web. I really don't think it is rocket science for any one. The rich should not have to pay more. They should just pay their rate without all the breaks and loop holes. Corporations do not need subsidies. We should have social security that is a safety net, not a retirement. And we should have medical care too as a safety net... but those things are very expensive and need to be funded. We need to be able to defend ourselves and that includes the ability to project our power... but we most certainly can cut back form being the global police force and mind our own business for a while. Stop tying health care and taxes to employment. Abolish the tax code and implement a consumption tax to include everyone.... yes it still can be progressive. Recognize the fact that we are going to have people immigrate here. Reform immigrant workers polices to give them some dignity and us some relief. Legalize drugs and stop criminalizing a portion of the population, funding organized crime, and arming our police departments like urban warfare units. Incentivize smart money management and savings, not credit based consumerism. Alright... well that's enough for the first day. Tomorrow I will be busy with my long run and swim. I usually don't hit political threads, but throw in tort reform, and what you've laid out is a "Resonsibility with reason" platform. And that's what needs to happen. I'm pessimistic it will in my lifetime, tho.
And of course free Tri Bikes for everyone right? |
| 2012-07-18 12:27 PM in reply to: #4313234 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen President BHO has recently appointed a Golf Czar and major rule changes in the game of golf will become effective September 1,2012 . This is only a preview as the complete rule book (expect 2000 pages) is being rewritten as we speak . Here are a few of the changes . Golfers with handicaps: - below 10 will have their green fees increased by 35% . - between 11 and 18 will see no increase in green fees . - above 18 will get a $20 check each time they play .. The term "gimmie" will be changed to"entitlement" and will be used as follows: - handicaps below 10, no entitlements . - handicaps from 11 to 17, entitlements for putter length putts .. - handicaps above 18, if your ball is on green, no need to putt, just pick it up . These entitlements are intended to bring about fairness and, most importantly, equality in scoring . In addition, a Player will be limited to a maximum of one birdie or six pars in any given 18-hole round . Any excess must be given to those fellow players who have not yet scored a birdie or par . Only after all players have received a birdie or par from the player actually making the birdie or par, can that player begin to count his pars and birdies again . The current USGA handicap system will be used for the above purposes, but the term "net score" will be available only for scoring those players with handicaps of 18 and above . This is intended to "re-distribute" the success of winning by making sure that in every competition, the above 18 handicap players will post only "net score" against every other player's "gross score" . These new Rules are intended to FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE the game of golf. Golf must be about Fairness . It should have nothing to do with ability, hard work, practice, and responsibility . This is the "Right thing to do. " |
| 2012-07-18 12:39 PM in reply to: #4318178 |
Expert 3126 Boise, ID | Subject: RE: If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen Left Brain - 2012-07-18 11:27 AM President BHO has recently appointed a Golf Czar and major rule changes in the game of golf will become effective September 1,2012 . This is only a preview as the complete rule book (expect 2000 pages) is being rewritten as we speak . Here are a few of the changes . Golfers with handicaps: - below 10 will have their green fees increased by 35% . - between 11 and 18 will see no increase in green fees . - above 18 will get a $20 check each time they play .. The term "gimmie" will be changed to"entitlement" and will be used as follows: - handicaps below 10, no entitlements . - handicaps from 11 to 17, entitlements for putter length putts .. - handicaps above 18, if your ball is on green, no need to putt, just pick it up . These entitlements are intended to bring about fairness and, most importantly, equality in scoring . In addition, a Player will be limited to a maximum of one birdie or six pars in any given 18-hole round . Any excess must be given to those fellow players who have not yet scored a birdie or par . Only after all players have received a birdie or par from the player actually making the birdie or par, can that player begin to count his pars and birdies again . The current USGA handicap system will be used for the above purposes, but the term "net score" will be available only for scoring those players with handicaps of 18 and above . This is intended to "re-distribute" the success of winning by making sure that in every competition, the above 18 handicap players will post only "net score" against every other player's "gross score" . These new Rules are intended to FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE the game of golf. Golf must be about Fairness . It should have nothing to do with ability, hard work, practice, and responsibility . This is the "Right thing to do. " Looks like I can finally get back into golf! |
| 2012-07-18 1:32 PM in reply to: #4318178 |
Champion 6056 Menomonee Falls, WI | Subject: RE: If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen Left Brain - 2012-07-18 12:27 PM President BHO has recently appointed a Golf Czar and major rule changes in the game of golf will become effective September 1,2012 . This is only a preview as the complete rule book (expect 2000 pages) is being rewritten as we speak . Here are a few of the changes . Golfers with handicaps: - below 10 will have their green fees increased by 35% . - between 11 and 18 will see no increase in green fees . - above 18 will get a $20 check each time they play .. The term "gimmie" will be changed to"entitlement" and will be used as follows: - handicaps below 10, no entitlements . - handicaps from 11 to 17, entitlements for putter length putts .. - handicaps above 18, if your ball is on green, no need to putt, just pick it up . These entitlements are intended to bring about fairness and, most importantly, equality in scoring . In addition, a Player will be limited to a maximum of one birdie or six pars in any given 18-hole round . Any excess must be given to those fellow players who have not yet scored a birdie or par . Only after all players have received a birdie or par from the player actually making the birdie or par, can that player begin to count his pars and birdies again . The current USGA handicap system will be used for the above purposes, but the term "net score" will be available only for scoring those players with handicaps of 18 and above . This is intended to "re-distribute" the success of winning by making sure that in every competition, the above 18 handicap players will post only "net score" against every other player's "gross score" . These new Rules are intended to FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE the game of golf. Golf must be about Fairness . It should have nothing to do with ability, hard work, practice, and responsibility . This is the "Right thing to do. " Of course, if you go pro and go on to win the Masters, you didn't win that. The PGA made that happen. Edited by scoobysdad 2012-07-18 1:34 PM |
| 2012-07-18 1:32 PM in reply to: #4313234 |
Champion 6999 Chicago, Illinois | Subject: RE: If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen I thought that is why they have handicaps in the first place to bring "fairness" into golf. |
| 2012-07-18 1:44 PM in reply to: #4318178 |
Master 4101 Denver | Subject: RE: If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen Left Brain - 2012-07-18 11:27 AM President BHO has recently appointed a Golf Czar and major rule changes in the game of golf will become effective September 1,2012 . This is only a preview as the complete rule book (expect 2000 pages) is being rewritten as we speak . Unfortuantely Romney refuses to release his plan but it's expected to contain a rule that only golfers with a handicap lower than 2 will be allowed to play. Everyone else will be a caddy or groundskeeper and grateful d@#n it! Then in two years he will change the rules to the compete opposite and claim he never supported the original ones.Here are a few of the changes . Golfers with handicaps: - below 10 will have their green fees increased by 35% . - between 11 and 18 will see no increase in green fees . - above 18 will get a $20 check each time they play .. The term "gimmie" will be changed to"entitlement" and will be used as follows: - handicaps below 10, no entitlements . - handicaps from 11 to 17, entitlements for putter length putts .. - handicaps above 18, if your ball is on green, no need to putt, just pick it up . These entitlements are intended to bring about fairness and, most importantly, equality in scoring . In addition, a Player will be limited to a maximum of one birdie or six pars in any given 18-hole round . Any excess must be given to those fellow players who have not yet scored a birdie or par . Only after all players have received a birdie or par from the player actually making the birdie or par, can that player begin to count his pars and birdies again . The current USGA handicap system will be used for the above purposes, but the term "net score" will be available only for scoring those players with handicaps of 18 and above . This is intended to "re-distribute" the success of winning by making sure that in every competition, the above 18 handicap players will post only "net score" against every other player's "gross score" . These new Rules are intended to FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE the game of golf. Golf must be about Fairness . It should have nothing to do with ability, hard work, practice, and responsibility . This is the "Right thing to do. " George Bush will change the rules so that there is a big rush to start the round, but when you get to the first green there will be no hole. The rules will be exactly the same under Clinton's plan, but expect big changes with the girls who drive the refreshment carts. George Bush Sr.'s rules will, um, er.... I got nothin'. |
| 2012-07-18 2:13 PM in reply to: #4313234 |
Elite 6387 | Subject: RE: If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen No, the point is the game does not matter. It is only a diversion while the valet's go road racing in your car.
...wait, what the heck are we talking about. |
| 2012-07-18 2:14 PM in reply to: #4318481 |
Master 4101 Denver | Subject: RE: If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen powerman - 2012-07-18 1:13 PM LOL, nice.No, the point is the game does not matter. It is only a diversion while the valet's go road racing in your car.
...wait, what the heck are we talking about. |
| 2012-07-18 2:14 PM in reply to: #4318481 |
Elite 4564 Boise | Subject: RE: If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen powerman - 2012-07-18 1:13 PM No, the point is the game does not matter. It is only a diversion while the valet's go road racing in your car.
...wait, what the heck are we talking about.
That's what she said?
Wait, what? |
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