A Raving Liberal's Complaints About Obama (Page 3)

morey000 - 2012-06-22 4:16 PM

TriRSquared - 2012-06-22 12:25 PM ...I stopped reading right there... that's the left's equivalent of "I think Glenn Beck..."

1.  Hardly.  Bill Maher is funny.  Glenn Beck is a conspiracy theorist.

2.  Stopping reading?  Interesting choice.   close your mind off to a different point of view much?

I was joking around.  I read it... I actually listen to him now and then.  But he's such a holier-than-thou, left wing, cry baby it's hard to take him even a little seriously.  Any time a conservative comes on his show and makes a valid point he brushes it off with a joke.

TriRSquared - 2012-06-22 2:27 PM

morey000 - 2012-06-22 4:16 PM

TriRSquared - 2012-06-22 12:25 PM ...I stopped reading right there... that's the left's equivalent of "I think Glenn Beck..."

1.  Hardly.  Bill Maher is funny.  Glenn Beck is a conspiracy theorist.

2.  Stopping reading?  Interesting choice.   close your mind off to a different point of view much?

I was joking around.  I read it... I actually listen to him now and then.  But he's such a holier-than-thou, left wing, cry baby it's hard to take him even a little seriously.  Any time a conservative comes on his show and makes a valid point he brushes it off with a joke.

Ya...  I used to like his show, but he is pretty hard to stomach these days. He is funnier than Glenn Beck though.

I gave an oversimplified example above just for the sake of brevity as it is one of the more complicated industries out there.

I don't think that even the examples you gave would effect the price of oil enough to change prices too much.  We don't have a problem getting oil, gasoline, or diesel in the U.S.  While I understand you are saying that the policies CAN effect prices, yes I think there is truth to that, but this president's policies didn't because he didn't change anything for the oil companies.  The type of policies that would effect are the policies that would further shrink the supply on an extremely large basis, like what happened in the EU in 2003-08 where diesel consumption almost doubled due to policy and they started setting the price.  If someone needs it bad enough, it can effect the rest of us.

edit: and yes I know about him cutting permits in the gulf, that hurt jobs more than oil.  At the time oil was below $80 I think and they weren't exactly chomping at the bit for wells and new exploration.  It hurt the services though that service those rigs.

So what would that be?

What exactly do you want?

tuwood - 2012-06-22 4:25 PM

morey000 - 2012-06-22 3:16 PM

TriRSquared - 2012-06-22 12:25 PM ...I stopped reading right there... that's the left's equivalent of "I think Glenn Beck..."

1.  Hardly.  Bill Maher is funny.  Glenn Beck is a conspiracy theorist.

2.  Stopping reading?  Interesting choice.   close your mind off to a different point of view much?

I find Glenn Beck funny too.  

Same here, Maher is just to nasty, Refering to Palin by the C-word is not funny, niether are his attacks on the Catholic Church. 

For the same reason it's ok for proponents of the extreme conservative agenda to complain when they feel GOP politicians aren't being conservative enough:  Freedom of Speech.  Everyone's entitled to their opinion, and has the right to voice it.

The reality is that a more moderate agenda is the compromise that is going to prevail the majority of the time in a democracy.  Positions at the far right or left are generally just too idealistic and not practical.

I'm not talking about opinions and freedom of speech, I'm talking about extreme positions being advanced. This country would be no better under an extreme liberal agenda than it would be under an extreme conservative agenda.

My point exactly, but there will always be people on the extremes who don't seem to realize that.

Oh how I long for the day when Mr. Obama is out of office so I can go back to being just a plain old stupid redneck, who clings to his bible and guns, when I don't agree with leftist progressive policies, instead of the racist they now think I am.

 The catch to this is that the extremists and ideologues have to be a small minority, enough to make a ruckus, but not powerful enough to create policy rather than influence it. If they are able to scuttle any sort of a compromise or any policy that doesn't conform 100% to their extreme view you get a situation similar to the one we have now where nothing can get done. 

My prediction:

2012 - Romney elected

2013-2015 - Similar discourse with the two party system after mixed results.

2016 - 3rd Party representative makes strong run for Presidency and frustration from both sides makes it a genuine posibility.  

I think you give too much credit to think outside the box to the average voter. I would love that though.

Sorry.  I don't give the average voter that much credit...

This is more likely...

My prediction

Are you a prophet by chance?

I was going to post the same thing, but I couldn't think of a nice way to say it.  Well said! I'd gladly pay an entry fee for that as well! 

Bill Maher at his best: Shortly after Steve Irwin died tragically of a string ray sting, our friend Bill goes to a Halloween Party.

Ughh!!  The voice of a movement.  Any normal society would shun a fool like this.

Well, first- you need to be somebody worth his time.  He did a great spar with Ann Coulter- I think it was at Radio City Music hall.  He wiped the floor with her. 

He's not someone who shies away from debating issues... he does it every week.

Frankly- I find that his show is most worth watching when he has 2 of his panel that represent the right.  When there is only one, I see him time and time again make sure that the conservative opinion gets heard  -and then he makes fun of it...  But- that's debate.