Question for Obama voters.... (Page 3)

There are women and then there's trinnas. It's like comparing an AG'er to Chrissie Wellington.

I personally don't think that CoJ is an accurate representation of who voted for Obama and why.

Lets think about some different demographics that went to Obama. (This is from CBS not me so don't jump on the racist bandwagon).

1. Blacks. Just as in 2008 they voted for their guy.

2. Latinos. Broad generalization but in my area we have a lot of latinos and to be honest a fair amount receive one form of aid or another. Point 2, Obama claims to be softer on immigration, and Obama is a minority. So Latin vote went to him according to CBS.

3. Single mom's. A lot of single moms need support, if they don't get it from friends or family they want to know it is there from the gubment. Again a generalization but CBS showed overwhelming support for Obama from single moms.

4. Young people. Oh college... everyone is so durn smart when they are in college and the world is such a wonderful place that could be ideal if everyone would just sing koombiyah.

I personally don't think that gay marriage and abortion are on the forefront for any of these people. I think they voted based on the economy but chose more government spending rather than less. A bailout for the middle class rather than a free market. CBS showed 74% think the "rich" (over $250k) need to pay more. CBS also can't shut up about the exit polls that said Obama favors the middle class while Romney was a rich guy trying to help his buds. 

Now, the strong theme on BT is gay marriage and abortion (social issues)... Most of us have jobs, a lot of us have very good paying jobs (cost of tri), a lot of us are college educated, a lot of us have traveled and been exposed to different walks of life. A lot of us like to think of ourselves as enlightened. Oh and there are not a ton of us who are bible thumping white evangelicals. 

Romney didn't have many places to go for votes. He had old people (except Ryan was portrayed as against old people), white evangelicals, and business men. He was not going to get any minority vote, he was not going to get the idealistic young vote, etc. And unfortunately, in order to get through the primary he had to go right on abortion, women's issues and gay marriage. So he lost the "enlightened, not hit too hard by the economy, not rich but not poor, people of CoJ". The economy isn't bad enough that most of us have moved to the lower class so there are going to be other issues that are more important than the economy to some.

What disappoints me greatly is that Ron Paul didn't get more traction. He has the brains and the policies to tackle the debt and get the economy moving. And he is smart enough to leave social issues up to the states where they belong. The federal gubment should have nothing to do with gay marriage, abortion, pot smoking etc. Leave it up to the states. 

I think the people of CoJ could have gotten behind Ron Paul. Problem is there are enough evangelicals that make abortion and gay marriage into a presidential issue, and he wouldn't have "given any candy" to minorities and poor people. So really, CoJ type people are the only people he could have carried very well.

Not sure where that leaves the future. But I really don't think that social issues were the main reason Obama got elected, I think that just tends to carry more weight in here where most of us are doing OK.  

ETA: spelling

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That was a great analysis.

Thanks!

This thread is stupid. People are actually using logic, facts, and educated guesses to drive the discussion of a political question, and doing it in a civilized manner.

Where are the insults? The name calling? The demanding of the long form birth tax returns for the last 100 years?

We have to be careful, we might give the government the idea that people with different perspectives and ideologies can actually work together to solve a problem. And that is just crazy talk...some black helicopters are circling above me for some reason...

You East coast Floridian you!!!!  You know you are just a hurricane target right?!?!?!

Feel better now? 

Hunh?  A banks business is to have money and make interest off of it.  If you give a bank a lot of money they are done.  That's their job.  You did it for them.

Manufacturers and service providers have to produce goods or services to expand.  If you give them money they are going to use it to make more money.  Any company who will take a tax break and keep 100% of it to go into their pocket is a short sided business that would not grow even in a good climate.

Your analogy really isn't accurate.

I would beg to differ on his enviornmental policies.  Biden bragged at the debates that Obama has opened more new land to drilling than Bush.  From an environmentalist position, Obama has been as big a nightmare as Bush.  He has a TERRIBLE environmental record, especially in the mountain west.  His interior dept even has defended in court some the most terrible bush era policies.  He is a Loser on the environment.

Agreed, my post was full of generalization. Of course there are exceptions and not everyone fits the mold. I believe CBS showed high 80s% of blacks voted for Obama. I was just trying to make the point that Romney was not likely to get the majority of the black vote. 

In 2012 he got 93% of the black vote which was 13% of the electorate.

There were about 120,000,00 voters.  13% of that is 15.6 million votes. 93% of that is 14.5 million votes. So Obama got 14.5 million votes from blacks.

Romney lost the popular vote by about 3 million votes.*

To ignore race as a partial reason he was elected (either time) is shortsighted.

* (I understand you cannot decide a race based only on popular votes but it's a pretty strong indicator.  Clinton got 83% and 84% of the black vote.)

we're on page 4.  hijacks are acceptable at this point.  I agree with you 100 percent!  During the campaign I would hear press concerning social issues but this was never anything but background noise.  The economy is in the toilet, we're spending money we don't have, and we have obamacare that noone understands and over half the country does not want.  Social issues have their place but this election should not have been about RvW or binders of women.  The fact that so many people believe that Mr. Obama deserved to be reelected will always be a mystery to me.

That said, I hope all those that voted for Mr. Obama have done the right thing and make me regret my doubts. The next 4-years will need to be much better than the previous 4.

Are you sure??? I mean in other threads there seems to be some question as to when it is a hijack or a natural evolution or who may or may not post.

we need an ignor option for those people. 

Also, remember; if you ask someone about an M-Dot tattoo you should let the conversation evolve naturally.

That's a pretty good example of how numbers can be very misleading.  This was discussed ad nauseum after the '08 election.  The source I used at the time reported 91% and 93% of blacks voting for Gore and/or Kerry (I forgot which was which, but you get the picture)  About 9 out of 10 blacks will vote for the Democratic candidate whether he's black, white, magenta, or polka dot.  Yes, turnout is likely higher in '08/'12 because it was pretty historic seeing a black man for the 1st time getting this kind of opportunity, but if you look closely at the #'s, you'll find blacks historically have low voter turnout.  Barack Obama's presence in the race bumped blacks up to a point where their % of the electorate actually matched their % of the population, 13%.  I'm pretty certain that never happened before '08/'12.  

The GOP had a bad name in the black community...and it got WORSE since the '90's...much worse.  To imply that President Obama's strength among black voters had a big enough difference to sway the 2012 presidential election is just not true.

btw, to Scoobysdad...the same way you think "the war on women" is a fabricated construct...well, it's quite similar to how many view "the attack on religion" nonsense (in my opinion of course) lobbed out there by the Right.  We can politely agree to disagree.

Saw a guy in the gym the other day with an MDot tat and said congrats which IM did you do,,,,, he said Boulder. ah Ok

Hey Jim, whatdaya say?  We need to get out and race.  I didn't do much this year...

And I didn't say BOULDER, I said IM Poughkeepsie...

THAT'S A HIM! YOU CAN'T GET A TATTOO FOR THAT!

Oh, not that Hawaii thing then. Hmmm.

JimBo, with the 140.6 you did by my house you got more street cred than any of them WTC IM easy course ones.

The only thing Tri wise I have on my calendar is Rage so far, I want to do another 70.3 but haven't decided on one yet, any suggestions? Those HITS races look interesting.

After IMAZ, I'm going to look at all of 2013 with a different approach.  Local, short, and fun.

Yes they had higher turnout.  The point is that there is a reason they had higher turnout.  Race.

The last democrat elected (Clinton) had a 83-84% turnout.  Obama has 93%.  What explains this jump? Why did blacks not turn out to vote (in proportion to their population) until a black man runs for President?

I'm not saying it was enough to sway the result.  I'm saying it is a big number, possibly enough to make it closer.

Also explain to me why the GOP has "a bad name with blacks"?

I don't like this, I don't like it one bit!