Oscar Pistorius accidentally shoots and kills GF (Page 3)

Bloody hell.  I didn't shoot my girlfriend last night!

Keep your guns, fire away, continue with the threatening rhetoric to would be intruders if it makes you feel safer.

For every anecdote you can find me about an intruder that murdered the occupants, I can find you 100,000 otherwise.

It used to be that way where I am....the current heroin "epidemic" changed that. I can no longer give safety classes to citizens and tell them that an intruder will run, or will only look for houses where nobody is home....it's just not true anymore.  They look for unlocked doors/windows and will hurt you to keep from going to jail.  Heroin withdrawl makes people do some REALLY stupid things.

Neither did I.....and I own dozens of guns.

I have four dogs. If someone sticks around after hearing the ruckus that goes off if someone opens the front door at night, they have earned my TV.

Decaf perhaps?

If you actually want to know the answer... for me personally... no, property theft is not a capital crime, nor should it be. It's just an object. If I ever thought deadly force was needed, I- me personally, would truly have to think my life was in danger. Merely being in my house with my DVD player in your hands does not count.

But the problem with life and death situations is that sometimes you do not have much time to make your decision, and sometimes you decide too late. The state of Colorado has entrusted me with the ability to use deadly force in my home. I happen to agree with that. I pray I never need to, and statistics and my own personal history tell me it is next to impossible I ever will. I'm good with that.

I made the same decision you did because of all the kids who end up in my house.  I am much more concerned about one of them being shot accidently than I am being shot by an intruder.  I don't worry about my kids....they shoot.....but I don't even know some of the kids that end up at our house hanging out with mine.

This thread sucked way less when it was just parapalegic puns.

I was being light hearted but I've noticed before that we may not share the same sense of humour.  Which is fine of course.

I like your response though and perhaps surprisingly, agree with every word.

Despite all our bravado, it must be very difficult to carry the weight of taking a life even when it is completely justified.

I'm pretty sure there have been accidental shootings.

http://www.bigclassaction.com/lawsuit/remington-model-700-rifles-lawsuit-remington.php

I think there's some cases of negligence that are so minimal as to warrant the "accident" title.

"You're reading a magazine. You come across a full-page nude photo of a girl." 

"Is this testing whether I'm a replicant or a lesbian, Mr. Deckard?"

Nope not even that.

I think the basic gun safety rules been gone over ad nauseum. But if four basic gun safety rules are follow no one would ever be injured/killed by an unplanned discharge of a firearm.

I own firearms, actually my 10 year old owns as many firearms as I do. I am a big fan of the 2A and I can comfortably say it is my opinion that anyone who thinks that any shooting death or injury could be the result of accident should not own or handle a firearm.

"I'll tell you about my mother!"

That's because you're spelling it incorrectly.

Similary, if anyone thinks any injury or death could be the result of a traffic accident, they should not drive a car.

Been thinking of this recently and I remembered the case were Brandon Lee (son of Bruce Lee) was accidentally killed.

They used guns on set for the Crow and two set's of ammunition.  Dummy rounds that had the powder out so it looked like a real bullet (since it was) but could not fire.  They used them in shots where the actor is loading a weapon and such.

The also had blanks.  Those have full charge of powder, but shoot a paper wad or cloth or some other no lethal "projectile".  They use THOSE to get the sounds, effects (such as the slide of a semi auto to move), etc.

Anyway, they shot a scene with the dummy rounds (no powder), someone pulled the trigger but the PRIMER was still in the round.  It had JUST enough power to send the bullet barely into the barrel (but not out of the gun).

Scene 2, take said gun NOW with .44 round in said chamber.  Introduce blank round with FULL powder charge - pull the trigger?  You get a .44 round leaving the gun, killing said actor.

Was it careless?  Did the stunt coordinator make a mistake and not check the barrel?  Was it a freak occurrence?  Sure.  But I would also classify it as an accident.

ac·ci·dent  

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1. An unfortunate incident that happens unexpectedly and unintentionally, typically resulting in damage or injury.

There isn't?  How about traffic laws?  Pretty sure for just about any traffic accident resulting in death or injury you can find a violation of a traffic law. 

Can someone just tell me know - is this "there is no such thing as an accidental shooting" some sort of rally cry that people hold on to?  If so, fine.  If not, it makes as much sense any there are no traffic accidents.

To play devils advocate.

If the gun is ALWAYS loaded.  How does one clean it?  Do you clean loaded guns?

My firearm safety instructor and concealed carry instructor had us point weapons at him under controlled situation at the range to check our position in a class room.

But of course I buy the 4 rules.  Standard safety rules, when, if followed should avoid incident.  Instructor pounded the same rules into us and made note that he was going to violate those rules in that instance for instructional purposes.

I have a buddy who was in a pretty bad traffic accident.  His pistol was under his seat, discharged in the accident, and shot him in the leg. 

So there.

Tragedy + TIME = Comedy.