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 2013-09-20 4:13 PM in reply to: PHXATC |
Master  6595     Rio Rancho, NM |  Subject: RE: Did anyone else see this blog ?Originally posted by PHXATC Somebody's seat was too high on the bike. : ) Sounds like "the woman" who got smacked took the high road. Well done. With all due respect to your opinion, I see her "high road" as a thinly masked dig at him. As for the collision... when I did O'side in March I was on my second lap of the run and was approaching a spot on the course where they were letting pedestrians cross. I ran toward the right of said crossing where I *assumed* the pedestrians would be gone when I got there. As I agot to the crossing one of the crossers stopped right in front of me. Just stopped. Now I am no 2nd plage AGer, I'm closer to BOMOP. But even at my "speed" it was difficult to change course and not hit him. I barely grazed by him and said "DUDE!", then went on my way. I don't disagree that an apology would have gone a long way to help this guys case but I certainly understand his actions. |
| 2013-09-20 4:52 PM in reply to: wannabefaster |
Expert 1187 Ontario | Subject: RE: Did anyone else see this blog ? Originally posted by wannabefaster Say you are running to the finish, doing 6 minute miles or 14.67 feet per second. Say there is a woman, inexplicably standing in the middle of an active race course, getting her picture taken. As you approach the stationary object (woman) you decide to give the stationary object about two feet of space ( because really, are you going to give her 10 feet of space?) as you pass by it. If you look at the photo it appears that he was simply running the yellow line and it looks like she may have been standing in a location that prevented him from running the tangent. Any one of us who races has passed or been passed by thousands of people with two feet of clearance. As you are about five feet from said stationary object, the object, without looking, inexplicably steps in to your path. At the previously discussed 14.67 feet per second you have less than a third of a second to avoid steamrollering the woman being discussed. You perform a miraculous evasive maneuver and barely graze the woman with your hand. She jumps and freaks out because she certainly was surprised by your presence since she was so in-to doing her own thing that she never,ever thought about anyone but herself on the race course. A photo is taken at the precise moment of your evasive maneuver and her duck-and-cover in surprise. You keep running because the fault was all hers and really, you barely touched her. (note her post-race photo. She doesn't look like someone who was traumatically knocked to the ground). You may even congratulate yourself for your agility at speed. Imagine your surprise at finding out that you were DQd because of an event that was someone else's fault? Especially in a race where you busted it to get on the podium. I suspect that you wouldn't be writing apologetic letters at that point. Of course, everything above is supposition but the facts support the above conclusions just as much as they support the conclusion that he went out of the way to hit her. And really, how much sense does that make? Who is going to run in to anyone on purpose when they are doing everything in their power to get on the podium? I really hate the one-sided trial by Internet that the original blogger started. And let's face it, if the video that they reportedly have supported their side of things, don't you think it would be out there? Agree with above. The photo I saw doesn't show any contact. The descriptions I've read describe shoving, hitting, pushing, punching. I also wonder where the video is. This story/thread reminds me of that 'WTC fail thread about the guy wanting the new IM jacket. Probably why I have a lot of FB feeds hidden and don't follow people's blogs, I hear enough people whine at work. |
| 2013-09-20 8:01 PM in reply to: cathyd |
| 246 | Subject: RE: Did anyone else see this blog ? The reason I'm on the guy's side has nothing to do with the race but everything to do with those people, that no matter what they're doing, act as though that's the center of the world. No idea of what's around them or which social rules they bend or break. It could be in the grocery, at the bank, walking down the street, or in a race. Happy go lucky doesn't mean smart. |
| 2013-09-20 8:03 PM in reply to: cpzone |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Did anyone else see this blog ? Originally posted by cpzone The reason I'm on the guy's side has nothing to do with the race but everything to do with those people, that no matter what they're doing, act as though that's the center of the world. No idea of what's around them or which social rules they bend or break. It could be in the grocery, at the bank, walking down the street, or in a race. Happy go lucky doesn't mean smart. Dude...do NOT rile up the "good people"..... it's already bad enough. |
| 2013-09-20 8:39 PM in reply to: cpzone |
Master 1858 Salt Lake City | Subject: RE: Did anyone else see this blog ? Originally posted by cpzone The reason I'm on the guy's side has nothing to do with the race but everything to do with those people, that no matter what they're doing, act as though that's the center of the world. No idea of what's around them or which social rules they bend or break. It could be in the grocery, at the bank, walking down the street, or in a race. Happy go lucky doesn't mean smart. x2 |
| 2013-09-20 9:12 PM in reply to: dan king |
Member 522 Saint Paul, MN | Subject: RE: Did anyone else see this blog ? I think he is totally in the wrong here. Sure, she probably should have been paying more attention to what was going on around her, but definitely didn't deserve to get punched in the face. |
| 2013-09-20 9:16 PM in reply to: jlruhnke |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Did anyone else see this blog ? Originally posted by jlruhnke I think he is totally in the wrong here. Sure, she probably should have been paying more attention to what was going on around her, but definitely didn't deserve to get punched in the face. Where does it say she was PUNCHED in he face? |
| 2013-09-20 9:25 PM in reply to: Left Brain |
Member 522 Saint Paul, MN | Subject: RE: Did anyone else see this blog ? Well it may not have been directly in the face, but from that picture it sure looks like he punched her. |
| 2013-09-20 9:29 PM in reply to: JZig |
| Subject: RE: Did anyone else see this blog ? Originally posted by JZig Originally posted by cpzone The reason I'm on the guy's side has nothing to do with the race but everything to do with those people, that no matter what they're doing, act as though that's the center of the world. No idea of what's around them or which social rules they bend or break. It could be in the grocery, at the bank, walking down the street, or in a race. Happy go lucky doesn't mean smart. x2 Honestly, I don't care one way or the other. But couldn't this exact statement be said of the guy in this scenario also?
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| 2013-09-20 9:39 PM in reply to: JZig |
Extreme Veteran 863 West Michigan | Subject: RE: Did anyone else see this blog ? Originally posted by JZig Originally posted by cpzone The reason I'm on the guy's side has nothing to do with the race but everything to do with those people, that no matter what they're doing, act as though that's the center of the world. No idea of what's around them or which social rules they bend or break. It could be in the grocery, at the bank, walking down the street, or in a race. Happy go lucky doesn't mean smart. x2 So if somebody does something at the grocery store, you knock them to the ground? What if your wife, mom, sister, etc, does something at the grocery store or bank and some guy knocks her to the ground and you see it happen. I'm guessing you would high-five the guy and give your wife, sister, mom, etc crap for breaking 'societies' rules. Really classy guy you are. In the video he punched her, she fell to the ground, and was crying. He had 10 feet before she got in his way to go around her. He choose to go through her. Although she should be aware of her surroundings, anybody who defends, or on his side, is nothing more than a POS. |
| 2013-09-20 10:13 PM in reply to: guppie58 |
Master 1858 Salt Lake City | Subject: RE: Did anyone else see this blog ? Originally posted by guppie58 Originally posted by JZig Originally posted by cpzone The reason I'm on the guy's side has nothing to do with the race but everything to do with those people, that no matter what they're doing, act as though that's the center of the world. No idea of what's around them or which social rules they bend or break. It could be in the grocery, at the bank, walking down the street, or in a race. Happy go lucky doesn't mean smart. x2 So if somebody does something at the grocery store, you knock them to the ground? What if your wife, mom, sister, etc, does something at the grocery store or bank and some guy knocks her to the ground and you see it happen. I'm guessing you would high-five the guy and give your wife, sister, mom, etc crap for breaking 'societies' rules. Really classy guy you are. In the video he punched her, she fell to the ground, and was crying. He had 10 feet before she got in his way to go around her. He choose to go through her. Although she should be aware of her surroundings, anybody who defends, or on his side, is nothing more than a POS. To my knowledge the video has never been posted. Even the picture has been removed. |
| 2013-09-20 11:13 PM in reply to: guppie58 |
Master 3205 ann arbor, michigan | Subject: RE: Did anyone else see this blog ? Originally posted by guppie58 Originally posted by JZig Originally posted by cpzone The reason I'm on the guy's side has nothing to do with the race but everything to do with those people, that no matter what they're doing, act as though that's the center of the world. No idea of what's around them or which social rules they bend or break. It could be in the grocery, at the bank, walking down the street, or in a race. Happy go lucky doesn't mean smart. x2 So if somebody does something at the grocery store, you knock them to the ground? What if your wife, mom, sister, etc, does something at the grocery store or bank and some guy knocks her to the ground and you see it happen. I'm guessing you would high-five the guy and give your wife, sister, mom, etc crap for breaking 'societies' rules. Really classy guy you are. In the video he punched her, she fell to the ground, and was crying. He had 10 feet before she got in his way to go around her. He choose to go through her. Although she should be aware of her surroundings, anybody who defends, or on his side, is nothing more than a POS. I'm with the Zig on this one. If you have seen the video, you are the only one. And, like I said before, if the video supported your proclamation about him knocking her to the ground with a punch then we all would have seen it. I suspect a big deal was made by the original blogger, maybe even a bit of over dramatization, and now it is very hard to back down from statements that may have been exaggerated for effect. Then again, I may just be a POS who wants a little more evidence than a picture that doesn't show me what it obviously shows you. Internet trials where the defendant doesn't actually get to defend themselves are a little troubling. |
| 2013-09-21 12:33 AM in reply to: wannabefaster |
Extreme Veteran 1190 Silicon Valley | Subject: RE: Did anyone else see this blog ? Wow, this has certainly elicited some passionate responses. I think we have all been in a situation where someone not paying as much attention as they should suddenly appeared in front of us. Some much closer than others and some where contact was inevitable. From the pix I saw before they were taken down it looked like he made little or no effort to avoid her instead opting for the shortest distance between two points. However, two picture may not tell the whole story. So here is where I come down on this. I don't care how it happened, I don't care if this was my 'A' race, I don't care if it would be a PR, I don't care if everyone on the planet agreed it was her fault, if you in the course of a race knock someone to the ground, you stop. You make sure they are ok. It's called being a civilized human being. I learned that when I was no older than her kids and fifty years later I still believe that to be the case. If that makes me old fashioned then so be, I have been called worse. |
| 2013-09-21 7:36 AM in reply to: Stuartap |
| 77 | Subject: RE: Did anyone else see this blog ? Originally posted by Stuartap you must be referring to a different event because this woman was not "knocked to the ground." Wow, this has certainly elicited some passionate responses. I think we have all been in a situation where someone not paying as much attention as they should suddenly appeared in front of us. Some much closer than others and some where contact was inevitable. From the pix I saw before they were taken down it looked like he made little or no effort to avoid her instead opting for the shortest distance between two points. However, two picture may not tell the whole story. So here is where I come down on this. I don't care how it happened, I don't care if this was my 'A' race, I don't care if it would be a PR, I don't care if everyone on the planet agreed it was her fault, if you in the course of a race knock someone to the ground, you stop. You make sure they are ok. It's called being a civilized human being. I learned that when I was no older than her kids and fifty years later I still believe that to be the case. If that makes me old fashioned then so be, I have been called worse. |
| 2013-09-21 8:54 AM in reply to: Stuartap |
Master 3205 ann arbor, michigan | Subject: RE: Did anyone else see this blog ? Originally posted by Stuartap Wow, this has certainly elicited some passionate responses. I think we have all been in a situation where someone not paying as much attention as they should suddenly appeared in front of us. Some much closer than others and some where contact was inevitable. From the pix I saw before they were taken down it looked like he made little or no effort to avoid her instead opting for the shortest distance between two points. However, two picture may not tell the whole story. So here is where I come down on this. I don't care how it happened, I don't care if this was my 'A' race, I don't care if it would be a PR, I don't care if everyone on the planet agreed it was her fault, if you in the course of a race knock someone to the ground, you stop. You make sure they are ok. It's called being a civilized human being. I learned that when I was no older than her kids and fifty years later I still believe that to be the case. If that makes me old fashioned then so be, I have been called worse. I agree with you completely. If I knocked anyone to the ground I would be stopping to help out/check on the person (man or woman or child). However, see my fictional version of events. For now, my version is as good as any. I constructed my version from that 1/1,000 of a second snapshot just like you did. You said that it looks like he didn't try to avoid her. I'm saying it looks like he deserves an award for his agility in actually avoiding completely creaming her. He may have contacted her but her reaction looks to me more like jumping because she was frightened when someone appeared right next to her. (I have run up behind multiple runners jamming away with their headphones who all universally jump in surprise when you "suddenly" appear next to them). Maybe he even gasped out a "sorry" as he went by. I have seen no evidence that she was actually knocked to the ground and was sitting there crying. I have seen her post race photo where she looks completely unscathed. Heck, she looks so good in the picture it is hard to believe she even did a race, much less suffering a reported beat-down in the middle of it. |
| 2013-09-21 9:21 AM in reply to: guppie58 |
| 246 | Subject: RE: Did anyone else see this blog ? Originally posted by guppie58 Originally posted by JZig Originally posted by cpzone The reason I'm on the guy's side has nothing to do with the race but everything to do with those people, that no matter what they're doing, act as though that's the center of the world. No idea of what's around them or which social rules they bend or break. It could be in the grocery, at the bank, walking down the street, or in a race. Happy go lucky doesn't mean smart. x2 So if somebody does something at the grocery store, you knock them to the ground? What if your wife, mom, sister, etc, does something at the grocery store or bank and some guy knocks her to the ground and you see it happen. I'm guessing you would high-five the guy and give your wife, sister, mom, etc crap for breaking 'societies' rules. Really classy guy you are. In the video he punched her, she fell to the ground, and was crying. He had 10 feet before she got in his way to go around her. He choose to go through her. Although she should be aware of her surroundings, anybody who defends, or on his side, is nothing more than a POS. LOL...first off wasn't looking at this as a right to hit someone. Where's the video of this? But thank you for helping make my point...my wife, mom, or sister wouldn't be in this position. There's reasons for rules. |
| 2013-09-21 10:38 AM in reply to: wannabefaster |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Did anyone else see this blog ? Originally posted by wannabefaster Originally posted by Stuartap Wow, this has certainly elicited some passionate responses. I think we have all been in a situation where someone not paying as much attention as they should suddenly appeared in front of us. Some much closer than others and some where contact was inevitable. From the pix I saw before they were taken down it looked like he made little or no effort to avoid her instead opting for the shortest distance between two points. However, two picture may not tell the whole story. So here is where I come down on this. I don't care how it happened, I don't care if this was my 'A' race, I don't care if it would be a PR, I don't care if everyone on the planet agreed it was her fault, if you in the course of a race knock someone to the ground, you stop. You make sure they are ok. It's called being a civilized human being. I learned that when I was no older than her kids and fifty years later I still believe that to be the case. If that makes me old fashioned then so be, I have been called worse. I agree with you completely. If I knocked anyone to the ground I would be stopping to help out/check on the person (man or woman or child). However, see my fictional version of events. For now, my version is as good as any. I constructed my version from that 1/1,000 of a second snapshot just like you did. You said that it looks like he didn't try to avoid her. I'm saying it looks like he deserves an award for his agility in actually avoiding completely creaming her. He may have contacted her but her reaction looks to me more like jumping because she was frightened when someone appeared right next to her. (I have run up behind multiple runners jamming away with their headphones who all universally jump in surprise when you "suddenly" appear next to them). Maybe he even gasped out a "sorry" as he went by. I have seen no evidence that she was actually knocked to the ground and was sitting there crying. I have seen her post race photo where she looks completely unscathed. Heck, she looks so good in the picture it is hard to believe she even did a race, much less suffering a reported beat-down in the middle of it. I heard she lost an eye and was almost killed. |
| 2013-09-24 5:24 PM in reply to: Left Brain |
Master 1439 Calgary, AB Silver member | Subject: RE: Did anyone else see this blog ? http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=103zqsm&s=5#.UkIQ64Z6Y8Q Video from ST/Letsrun - save you wading through 35+ pages. No she was not punched or knocked down - yes strong arm/blocked. |
| 2013-09-24 6:15 PM in reply to: Khyron |
Pro 6011 Camp Hill, Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: Did anyone else see this blog ? Originally posted by Khyron http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=103zqsm&s=5#.UkIQ64Z6Y8QVideo from ST/Letsrun - save you wading through 35+ pages. No she was not punched or knocked down - yes strong arm/blocked. The RD posted in the thread on ST. The guy was on the wrong side of the road: "Again just so that we all understand when you see the video, she is in the correct lane of outgoing traffic while he is across the double yellow line (running in the wrong direction).
Nothing to see here...Move along, people...move along... |
| 2013-09-24 6:38 PM in reply to: TriMyBest |
Master 3127 Sunny Southern Cal | Subject: RE: Did anyone else see this blog ? Maybe they should do what one of the fifth grade teachers did at my elementary school when I was a kid. If there was a fight on the playground, he would break it up, but then the kids would be invited to an empty classroom after school. Each would get a big foam bat, and they'd wail on each other with the foam bats until one of 'em had enough. Can't imagine how that would go over nowadays. |
| 2013-09-24 6:56 PM in reply to: 0 |
Master 3127 Sunny Southern Cal | Subject: RE: Did anyone else see this blog ? Originally posted by Khyron http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=103zqsm&s=5#.UkIQ64Z6Y8QVideo from ST/Letsrun - save you wading through 35+ pages. No she was not punched or knocked down - yes strong arm/blocked. So this video shows exactly what happened. She was standing / walking backwards with her back turned to traffic on the wrong side of the course. There was another guy heading out on the far right side. The inbound runner that contacted her was running down the middle, because she was walking backwards on his side. He couldn't go far left because of oncoming traffic, and he was going very hard at that point. As she backed into the line that he'd picked, he threw an arm up to avoid complete collision. Yeah, it probably felt like she was getting smacked. I don't blame him at all. Sucks for him he got DQ'd, but he almost certainly ran the center because he couldn't run the right or left at that point. Oh well, life goes on, nobody got hurt much at all. If they'd collided with him going full speed, it would have been much worse for both of them. Moral of the story, don't dance around backwards on the wrong side of the course. Edited by SevenZulu 2013-09-24 6:57 PM |
| 2013-09-24 7:23 PM in reply to: Khyron |
Expert 2192 Greenville, SC | Subject: RE: Did anyone else see this blog ? Originally posted by Khyron http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=103zqsm&s=5#.UkIQ64Z6Y8QVideo from ST/Letsrun - save you wading through 35+ pages. No she was not punched or knocked down - yes strong arm/blocked. that was it. wow. don't think he should have gotten DQ'ed at all. to those saying he was running on the line... did you miss the guy running the wrong way down the center of his side of the path after he passed her? he probably wasn't even sure if she was even in the race since she wasn't acting like it, and then she back into his path. |
| 2013-09-24 7:27 PM in reply to: Clempson |
Pro 6011 Camp Hill, Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: Did anyone else see this blog ? SevenZulu & Clempson, you need to read my post above yours where I quote the RD explaining everything. |
| 2013-09-24 7:34 PM in reply to: 0 |
Expert 2192 Greenville, SC | Subject: RE: Did anyone else see this blog ? Originally posted by TriMyBest SevenZulu & Clempson, you need to read my post above yours where I quote the RD explaining everything. so i guess the random runner in his lane got DQ'ed too then for impeding an athlete and not sticking to the course. how is 20 to 30 yards not close? the length of a pool is 25, thats pretty close. id like to know how its possible to punch someone in the face from behind. im sure a lot of martial arts experts would too. probably got that "bruise" during the swim. the RD didn't explain anything. basically this chick got butthurt about being pushed and her friends complained about it loud enough to the RD that he had to file a report with USAT. Edited by Clempson 2013-09-24 7:35 PM |
| 2013-09-24 7:55 PM in reply to: TriMyBest |
Member 5452 NC | Subject: RE: Did anyone else see this blog ? Originally posted by TriMyBest SevenZulu & Clempson, you need to read my post above yours where I quote the RD explaining everything. If you read the entire ST thread, god bless you if you do, you will see that there is at least reason to raise some questions about the RD's version of the events. |
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