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2010-07-28 11:47 AM
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blueyedbikergirl - 2010-07-28 9:45 AM
Big Appa - 2010-07-28 11:28 AM Hi Monica


Morning Cord! 

How's things? 


I tell you in 2 weeks. I get the kids next week, it's my girls Bday, then court, then getting a visitor from Alabama



2010-07-28 11:48 AM
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crowny2 - 2010-07-28 11:36 AM

Yesterday it became readily apparent that V is just lazy.  M sent her an email, and V printed it off and then took it over to M and asked "what does this say?".  Fortunately, M handled it appropriately saying "I don't have time to tell you what it says, you will have to read it yourself."  M is very frustrated but also doesn't want to hurt V's feelings.

So, after all that explanation, what could TAN do?



Ok that made me laugh, but sadly I understand.

That's tough.
The only thing I can think of (caveat... I do not manage people) is to have M approach this as a "leadership/learning opportunity" - because she will surely have to deal with people like this when she advances in the company. At the same time, you as the manager should probably have a sit down with V and let her know how her behavior is ineffective and disrupting the workplace.

Be sure to give M the props she deserves though, for handling the situation like a champ.
2010-07-28 11:52 AM
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TriAya - 2010-07-28 11:44 AM
crowny2 - 2010-07-29 12:36 AM

Alright, so here is the situation.

We are in a cube maze.  Two of my employees' cubes are open to each other.  One employee (V) has been with the group quite a while, but can be a bit of a space case and is ultimately starting to bump up to retirement in the next 3-5 years and has little to no ambition to advance. In other words, she is happy doing what she is doing.  The other (M) has her moments but is probably going to be my Star Employee.  She has been doing what she is doing for a while (4-5 years) and is ambitious to advance and learn more and take on more responsibility.

So now that that has been established about their background, V has gotten into a horrible habit lately of just turning in her cube and asking M questions on how to do something and or where something is saved on the Shared Drive.  Some of her questions are about things that she has actually trained M on to begin with.  The constant interruptions have been getting frustrating for M and sometimes she is in the middle of something and when she comes back to it, she has either done something wrong and will need to fix it, or it takes her a while to get back into the thought process she was in.  So it is inefficient.  My initial recommendation to M was to tell V that she would have to wait while she finished what she was working on and it would take 5 or 10 or 15 minutes.  My thought was that V would then get fed up with waiting and jsut do it herself. 

Unfortunately, that isn't working.  Now V is not only waiting for M to tell her what to do when if she were to do it on her own it would take her MUCH less time than waiting.  Sometimes, she is actually just sitting there watching M do her task instead of doing something else, which is awkward for anyone. 

Yesterday it became readily apparent that V is just lazy.  M sent her an email, and V printed it off and then took it over to M and asked "what does this say?".  Fortunately, M handled it appropriately saying "I don't have time to tell you what it says, you will have to read it yourself."  M is very frustrated but also doesn't want to hurt V's feelings.

So, after all that explanation, what could TAN do?



Don't know how much of this is appropriate/possible, if there's any kind of procedure/precedent to follow here, and while a really ridiculous situation (on account of V), doesn't need to get blown out of proportion ...

- could M sit down with V and have a heart to heart? Something like "I'm very flattered that you trust me and look to me for guidance, but I'm not able to get my work done ... could you please look it up first or ask (V's immediate supervisor, is that you) before you come to me? Thanks! I really appreciate how friendly you've been."

- if that doesn't work, V's immediate supervisor (you? someone else) needs to have the heart-to-heart, more directly and firmly

- can Human Resources be of any help here? This is really something that would be their domain ...

- noise-cancelling headphones and a Do Not Disturb sign

I think this is what needs to happen. 

2010-07-28 11:54 AM
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Thanks everyone for commenting.  It is what I thought I needed to do and you all have given me great ideas.  I just wanted to make certain I was going down the right path.

This is my 5th week in the position and I guess it is time to stop observing and start acting. 

Thanks again.

2010-07-28 11:57 AM
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lisac957 - 2010-07-28 9:48 AM
crowny2 - 2010-07-28 11:36 AM

Yesterday it became readily apparent that V is just lazy.  M sent her an email, and V printed it off and then took it over to M and asked "what does this say?".  Fortunately, M handled it appropriately saying "I don't have time to tell you what it says, you will have to read it yourself."  M is very frustrated but also doesn't want to hurt V's feelings.

So, after all that explanation, what could TAN do?



Ok that made me laugh, but sadly I understand.

That's tough.
The only thing I can think of (caveat... I do not manage people) is to have M approach this as a "leadership/learning opportunity" - because she will surely have to deal with people like this when she advances in the company. At the same time, you as the manager should probably have a sit down with V and let her know how her behavior is ineffective and disrupting the workplace.

Be sure to give M the props she deserves though, for handling the situation like a champ.


T?????????????????????his for SURE. 

I don't agree with some of the other responses of involving M.  It's not her fight or responsibility to take change V's attititude.  She should be just left alone to do her job.  No group meetings or telling her to speak to V
2010-07-28 11:58 AM
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crowny2 - 2010-07-28 9:52 AM

I think this is what needs to happen. 



agree


2010-07-28 12:00 PM
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So someone posted on FB about how happy they are to get a new job that DOESN'T have drug testing...

Can't help to think that's a bit loser-ish...
2010-07-28 12:02 PM
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I need to go write a report...  Later..


TPS report???  yeeeaaahhhhhh, you are going to have to come in on Saturday....
2010-07-28 12:04 PM
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Kido - 2010-07-28 11:57 AM
lisac957 - 2010-07-28 9:48 AM
crowny2 - 2010-07-28 11:36 AM

Yesterday it became readily apparent that V is just lazy.  M sent her an email, and V printed it off and then took it over to M and asked "what does this say?".  Fortunately, M handled it appropriately saying "I don't have time to tell you what it says, you will have to read it yourself."  M is very frustrated but also doesn't want to hurt V's feelings.

So, after all that explanation, what could TAN do?



Ok that made me laugh, but sadly I understand.

That's tough.
The only thing I can think of (caveat... I do not manage people) is to have M approach this as a "leadership/learning opportunity" - because she will surely have to deal with people like this when she advances in the company. At the same time, you as the manager should probably have a sit down with V and let her know how her behavior is ineffective and disrupting the workplace.

Be sure to give M the props she deserves though, for handling the situation like a champ.


T?????????????????????his for SURE. 

I don't agree with some of the other responses of involving M.  It's not her fight or responsibility to take change V's attititude.  She should be just left alone to do her job.  No group meetings or telling her to speak to V

Yes and no.  With any interaction between employees, I believe it is always up to the individual to take the first steps to control of their interactions with their co-workers.  Now, if those don't work, as in this case, then I agree, the manager (me) needs to step in.  However, if M had come to me and I just immediately went to V without giving M this a try, M wouldn't potentially learn a tool to help her in the future.

2010-07-28 12:04 PM
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Big Appa - 2010-07-28 11:47 AM
blueyedbikergirl - 2010-07-28 9:45 AM
Big Appa - 2010-07-28 11:28 AM Hi Monica


Morning Cord! 

How's things? 


I tell you in 2 weeks. I get the kids next week, it's my girls Bday, then court, then getting a visitor from Alabama



Nice!  Sounds like you're going to have a very good couple of weeks... I can't even begin to tell you how much I'm looking forward to being on vacation! 
2010-07-28 12:05 PM
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Kido - 2010-07-28 1:02 PM I need to go write a report...  Later..


TPS report???  yeeeaaahhhhhh, you are going to have to come in on Saturday....


Uhhh, Peter, yeeahhhh, did you get the memo?  We need you to use the new cover sheet for the TPS reports...


2010-07-28 12:13 PM
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I get shivers every time I come across the acronym TPS at work, even when it is a legitimate, non-office space acronym
2010-07-28 12:14 PM
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LockOut - 2010-07-28 10:05 AM
Kido - 2010-07-28 1:02 PM I need to go write a report...  Later..


TPS report???  yeeeaaahhhhhh, you are going to have to come in on Saturday....


Uhhh, Peter, yeeahhhh, did you get the memo?  We need you to use the new cover sheet for the TPS reports...



Dude, that's my stapler.
2010-07-28 12:16 PM
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Tripolar - 2010-07-28 1:14 PM
LockOut - 2010-07-28 10:05 AM
Kido - 2010-07-28 1:02 PM I need to go write a report...  Later..


TPS report???  yeeeaaahhhhhh, you are going to have to come in on Saturday....


Uhhh, Peter, yeeahhhh, did you get the memo?  We need you to use the new cover sheet for the TPS reports...



Dude, that's my stapler.


Don't make me get the strapping tape.
2010-07-28 12:17 PM
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So I just happened to make a bet with my roommate.  Basically, it boils down to me having to win a triathlon before he wins a golf tournament.  We both just really got into the sports, so we figured a little bit of healthy competition would push us to become better.  

Now, here's my question.  What is a fair bet?  He has said that:

"we've both agreed that it can't be some random shithole of a tournament/triathalon to just win. I could very easily win the tournament on Lee's bachelor party weekend, but that just isn't going to count. Same thing with Pete's triathalons.

I'd say Pete's triathalon has to be considered an actual triathalon distance, not a charity event (so there are people that actually want to do well) and have atleast 75 people in it. Whereas I have to play an individual based tournament based on net score. (so either I'm in a class based on my handicap, or solely net, so no handicap) Within the next year, I'll have the best chance of winning, as I'll be in b-class based on handicap, but if I don't win, it'll be a long effing time before I can win anything, as I'll have to get to scratch."  

What are your thoughts on this?  I have put out that, if he is counting handicapped tournaments, I am counting an AG win (nowhere near as much of a help for me, but maybe....), but I also don't like the fact that he is trying to get out charity tris.  The only race I've ever competed in was a charity race, and I got 17th OA.  I was actually thinking of making this one of my A races for next year.  It is actually a significant charity race, with 350 people in the sprint, and the winner clocking in at 1:01.  

What says TAN?  Do you guys think that these accomplishments are fair/on level playing fields?

PS: I have already brought up the fact that there is no tri equivalent of "a bachelor party weekend tournament" 
2010-07-28 12:17 PM
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So Fresh So Clean - 2010-07-28 12:13 PM I get shivers every time I come across the acronym TPS at work, even when it is a legitimate, non-office space acronym


What you scared of a TPS(tire pressure senor) . I kid I kid


2010-07-28 12:18 PM
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You know kick drills is a really good time to hum to yourself and blow bubbles to Prokofiev's Peter and The Wolf.
2010-07-28 12:21 PM
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trinnas - 2010-07-28 10:16 AM
Tripolar - 2010-07-28 1:14 PM
LockOut - 2010-07-28 10:05 AM
Kido - 2010-07-28 1:02 PM I need to go write a report...  Later..


TPS report???  yeeeaaahhhhhh, you are going to have to come in on Saturday....


Uhhh, Peter, yeeahhhh, did you get the memo?  We need you to use the new cover sheet for the TPS reports...



Dude, that's my stapler.


Don't make me get the strapping tape.



Promises, promises.

2010-07-28 12:22 PM
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LockOut - 2010-07-28 12:17 PM So I just happened to make a bet with my roommate.  Basically, it boils down to me having to win a triathlon before he wins a golf tournament.  We both just really got into the sports, so we figured a little bit of healthy competition would push us to become better.  

Now, here's my question.  What is a fair bet?  He has said that:

"we've both agreed that it can't be some random shithole of a tournament/triathalon to just win. I could very easily win the tournament on Lee's bachelor party weekend, but that just isn't going to count. Same thing with Pete's triathalons.

I'd say Pete's triathalon has to be considered an actual triathalon distance, not a charity event (so there are people that actually want to do well) and have atleast 75 people in it. Whereas I have to play an individual based tournament based on net score. (so either I'm in a class based on my handicap, or solely net, so no handicap) Within the next year, I'll have the best chance of winning, as I'll be in b-class based on handicap, but if I don't win, it'll be a long effing time before I can win anything, as I'll have to get to scratch."  

What are your thoughts on this?  I have put out that, if he is counting handicapped tournaments, I am counting an AG win (nowhere near as much of a help for me, but maybe....), but I also don't like the fact that he is trying to get out charity tris.  The only race I've ever competed in was a charity race, and I got 17th OA.  I was actually thinking of making this one of my A races for next year.  It is actually a significant charity race, with 350 people in the sprint, and the winner clocking in at 1:01.  


What says TAN?  Do you guys think that these accomplishments are fair/on level playing fields?

PS: I have already brought up the fact that there is no tri equivalent of "a bachelor party weekend tournament" 




I am afraid you are screwed, you will never win a TRIATHALON!!!  You should have bet him that you'd win a TRIATHLON instead!
2010-07-28 12:26 PM
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jford2309 - 2010-07-28 1:22 PM
LockOut - 2010-07-28 12:17 PM So I just happened to make a bet with my roommate.  Basically, it boils down to me having to win a triathlon before he wins a golf tournament.  We both just really got into the sports, so we figured a little bit of healthy competition would push us to become better.  

Now, here's my question.  What is a fair bet?  He has said that:

"we've both agreed that it can't be some random shithole of a tournament/triathalon to just win. I could very easily win the tournament on Lee's bachelor party weekend, but that just isn't going to count. Same thing with Pete's triathalons.

I'd say Pete's triathalon has to be considered an actual triathalon distance, not a charity event (so there are people that actually want to do well) and have atleast 75 people in it. Whereas I have to play an individual based tournament based on net score. (so either I'm in a class based on my handicap, or solely net, so no handicap) Within the next year, I'll have the best chance of winning, as I'll be in b-class based on handicap, but if I don't win, it'll be a long effing time before I can win anything, as I'll have to get to scratch."  

What are your thoughts on this?  I have put out that, if he is counting handicapped tournaments, I am counting an AG win (nowhere near as much of a help for me, but maybe....), but I also don't like the fact that he is trying to get out charity tris.  The only race I've ever competed in was a charity race, and I got 17th OA.  I was actually thinking of making this one of my A races for next year.  It is actually a significant charity race, with 350 people in the sprint, and the winner clocking in at 1:01.  


What says TAN?  Do you guys think that these accomplishments are fair/on level playing fields?

PS: I have already brought up the fact that there is no tri equivalent of "a bachelor party weekend tournament" 




I am afraid you are screwed, you will never win a TRIATHALON!!!  You should have bet him that you'd win a TRIATHLON instead!


Hahaha, I noticed that, but I just cut and pasted his email in here.  I didn't want to go through and edit it for you guys  :P 
2010-07-28 12:29 PM
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Tripolar - 2010-07-28 1:21 PM
trinnas - 2010-07-28 10:16 AM
Tripolar - 2010-07-28 1:14 PM
LockOut - 2010-07-28 10:05 AM
Kido - 2010-07-28 1:02 PM I need to go write a report...  Later..


TPS report???  yeeeaaahhhhhh, you are going to have to come in on Saturday....


Uhhh, Peter, yeeahhhh, did you get the memo?  We need you to use the new cover sheet for the TPS reports...



Dude, that's my stapler.


Don't make me get the strapping tape.



Promises, promises.



But if I strap you up how will I get you to brush my hair for me? 



2010-07-28 12:30 PM
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jford2309 - 2010-07-29 1:22 AM
LockOut - 2010-07-28 12:17 PM So I just happened to make a bet with my roommate.  Basically, it boils down to me having to win a triathlon before he wins a golf tournament.  We both just really got into the sports, so we figured a little bit of healthy competition would push us to become better.  

Now, here's my question.  What is a fair bet?  He has said that:

"we've both agreed that it can't be some random shithole of a tournament/triathalon to just win. I could very easily win the tournament on Lee's bachelor party weekend, but that just isn't going to count. Same thing with Pete's triathalons.

I'd say Pete's triathalon has to be considered an actual triathalon distance, not a charity event (so there are people that actually want to do well) and have atleast 75 people in it. Whereas I have to play an individual based tournament based on net score. (so either I'm in a class based on my handicap, or solely net, so no handicap) Within the next year, I'll have the best chance of winning, as I'll be in b-class based on handicap, but if I don't win, it'll be a long effing time before I can win anything, as I'll have to get to scratch."  

What are your thoughts on this?  I have put out that, if he is counting handicapped tournaments, I am counting an AG win (nowhere near as much of a help for me, but maybe....), but I also don't like the fact that he is trying to get out charity tris.  The only race I've ever competed in was a charity race, and I got 17th OA.  I was actually thinking of making this one of my A races for next year.  It is actually a significant charity race, with 350 people in the sprint, and the winner clocking in at 1:01.  


What says TAN?  Do you guys think that these accomplishments are fair/on level playing fields?

PS: I have already brought up the fact that there is no tri equivalent of "a bachelor party weekend tournament" 




I am afraid you are screwed, you will never win a TRIATHALON!!!  You should have bet him that you'd win a TRIATHLON instead!


I actually don't feel like such an ay-hole now. Thanks, James
2010-07-28 12:32 PM
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TriAya - 2010-07-28 12:30 PM
jford2309 - 2010-07-29 1:22 AM
LockOut - 2010-07-28 12:17 PM So I just happened to make a bet with my roommate.  Basically, it boils down to me having to win a triathlon before he wins a golf tournament.  We both just really got into the sports, so we figured a little bit of healthy competition would push us to become better.  

Now, here's my question.  What is a fair bet?  He has said that:

"we've both agreed that it can't be some random shithole of a tournament/triathalon to just win. I could very easily win the tournament on Lee's bachelor party weekend, but that just isn't going to count. Same thing with Pete's triathalons.

I'd say Pete's triathalon has to be considered an actual triathalon distance, not a charity event (so there are people that actually want to do well) and have atleast 75 people in it. Whereas I have to play an individual based tournament based on net score. (so either I'm in a class based on my handicap, or solely net, so no handicap) Within the next year, I'll have the best chance of winning, as I'll be in b-class based on handicap, but if I don't win, it'll be a long effing time before I can win anything, as I'll have to get to scratch."  

What are your thoughts on this?  I have put out that, if he is counting handicapped tournaments, I am counting an AG win (nowhere near as much of a help for me, but maybe....), but I also don't like the fact that he is trying to get out charity tris.  The only race I've ever competed in was a charity race, and I got 17th OA.  I was actually thinking of making this one of my A races for next year.  It is actually a significant charity race, with 350 people in the sprint, and the winner clocking in at 1:01.  


What says TAN?  Do you guys think that these accomplishments are fair/on level playing fields?

PS: I have already brought up the fact that there is no tri equivalent of "a bachelor party weekend tournament" 




I am afraid you are screwed, you will never win a TRIATHALON!!!  You should have bet him that you'd win a TRIATHLON instead!


I actually don't feel like such an ay-hole now. Thanks, James


No, No ay-hole here!  I used the red font...maybe funny ay-hole, but not ay-hole ay-ahole!  lol
2010-07-28 12:33 PM
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trinnas - 2010-07-28 10:29 AM
Tripolar - 2010-07-28 1:21 PM
trinnas - 2010-07-28 10:16 AM
Tripolar - 2010-07-28 1:14 PM
LockOut - 2010-07-28 10:05 AM
Kido - 2010-07-28 1:02 PM I need to go write a report...  Later..


TPS report???  yeeeaaahhhhhh, you are going to have to come in on Saturday....


Uhhh, Peter, yeeahhhh, did you get the memo?  We need you to use the new cover sheet for the TPS reports...



Dude, that's my stapler.


Don't make me get the strapping tape.



Promises, promises.



But if I strap you up how will I get you to brush my hair for me? 




Good point.  I guess I'd be at your mercy...

You could do anything you want.

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2010-07-28 12:47 PM
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Tripolar - 2010-07-28 1:33 PM
trinnas - 2010-07-28 10:29 AM
Tripolar - 2010-07-28 1:21 PM
trinnas - 2010-07-28 10:16 AM
Tripolar - 2010-07-28 1:14 PM
LockOut - 2010-07-28 10:05 AM
Kido - 2010-07-28 1:02 PM I need to go write a report...  Later..


TPS report???  yeeeaaahhhhhh, you are going to have to come in on Saturday....


Uhhh, Peter, yeeahhhh, did you get the memo?  We need you to use the new cover sheet for the TPS reports...



Dude, that's my stapler.


Don't make me get the strapping tape.



Promises, promises.



But if I strap you up how will I get you to brush my hair for me? 




Good point.  I guess I'd be at your mercy...

You could do anything you want.

Surprised


And this would be different if you werent strapped up, How?
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