Mad Manatee Mentors v.2 thr.3 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes considered) (Page 37)

Originally posted by StaceyK So if you got a new bike how long would you want to have it and ride it before you raced an Oly with it? Some background. My original race plan was to do the Busso Oly on 1 Feb, but after going down there for the IM I'm not sure I want to drive the 2.5 hours stay over night and drive back for an Oly so I have been looking for alternate Olys on this summers tri calendar and there are now 2 others that are much closer to home. The first of these is on 22 Feb which would still work in with the proposed puppy calendar. So anyway as you know I have been thinking about a new bike but haven't convinced myself that I deserve it but today I have been thinking that if I do the JOGO challenge without missing a day then stuff it I am buying my new bike. If I do the Oly on 1 Feb then I won't have the bike in time, but if I do the one on 22 Feb then I would have 3 weeks from the end of the JOGO Challenge to the Oly. Is this enough time to get accustomed to a new bike for that kind of distance?

Originally posted by jmkizer

Originally posted by brigby1

Stacey, this can vary quite a bit by the individual and their situation. How big of a change would the new bike be from what you're riding now? I did ok with sprints this year in less time than that. And after a few months on the road bike. The last couple weeks were with aerobars on it, but in a much more relaxed position. The new bike had a better fit than the tri bike I had been using over the few years prior though. A little more time would have been more helpful as shown by the second race going better than the first, but at least for me, going with the bike change was a good call. For someone less experienced and only used to road position, maybe not.

Originally posted by laffinrock

Originally posted by rrrunner

I was thinking maybe buy the new bike in anticipation of completing the challenge? That way the bike will encourage you to get your bike sessions done AND you can get used to the new bike! When I went from my roadie to the TT it was a huge adjustment but from one TT to a better TT not as much, other than getting used to the more aggresive position. DOOOOO EEEEEET!

Originally posted by rrrunner

Originally posted by rrrunner

Originally posted by jmkizer

Thanks for coordinating this!

Regarding #6 - I agree, if you are sick, you are sick.

#7, however, I may disagree with.  I've spent a ton of time doing PT, rolling, stretching, walking, etc.  I think that with most injuries, you can find 10 minutes of stuff to do.  (ice and stretch, stretch and roll, walk the dog, savasana...)

#8 I have mixed feelings about double credit (think active recovery) but I could be convinced that double credit is a good thing.

Originally posted by brigby1

Yeah, on 6, sick is sick, but try to identify something. Don't know if it needs to be written down, but I try to have something more specific than just vague tiredness for the most part. Today is a few cold symptoms. Have stopped due to some disorientation feeling before.

For 7, stuff does happen at times, but there are injuries we can do something about. Part of some of these challenges is to learn how to balance our work load so we can work out more often. A major run necessitating 2-3 days off is usually not the best use of time, so backing off enough so one could still run a little those following days tends to be better. Life situations do happen though it may help for some in being more aware of things going on.

Mixed on 8 as well as what is the intention of this challenge? It is more every day or more for a high frequency of workouts? They're not quite the same thing. I'm also cautious about the idea of "banking" workouts too much as this can affect the quality of the work done. Some workouts need to have some lighter work done before and after to be ready to do it and to recover from it. This can have a fairly significant effect on the amount of adaptation seen even if the same amount of work could have been done. I know this is a for fun challenge that should help develop a training concept. Just being careful about drilling in one training concept so much that it has to be undone some to keep from having a negative effect on others.

ETA: I lean more towards every day with this. Maybe just a little banking, but the getting up to do something every day seems to be what more have wanted to work on. Making getting in a workout a more instinctive habit.

Originally posted by brigby1

Yeah, on 6, sick is sick, but try to identify something. Don't know if it needs to be written down, but I try to have something more specific than just vague tiredness for the most part. Today is a few cold symptoms. Have stopped due to some disorientation feeling before.

For 7, stuff does happen at times, but there are injuries we can do something about. Part of some of these challenges is to learn how to balance our work load so we can work out more often. A major run necessitating 2-3 days off is usually not the best use of time, so backing off enough so one could still run a little those following days tends to be better. Life situations do happen though it may help for some in being more aware of things going on.

Mixed on 8 as well as what is the intention of this challenge? It is more every day or more for a high frequency of workouts? They're not quite the same thing. I'm also cautious about the idea of "banking" workouts too much as this can affect the quality of the work done. Some workouts need to have some lighter work done before and after to be ready to do it and to recover from it. This can have a fairly significant effect on the amount of adaptation seen even if the same amount of work could have been done. I know this is a for fun challenge that should help develop a training concept. Just being careful about drilling in one training concept so much that it has to be undone some to keep from having a negative effect on others.

ETA: I lean more towards every day with this. Maybe just a little banking, but the getting up to do something every day seems to be what more have wanted to work on. Making getting in a workout a more instinctive habit.

Originally posted by amd723

My 2 cents.  I think you need to log something for it to count.  We all get sick and injured to varying degrees, so in some instances you can do some activity and some you can't.  if you can't, you don't get credit for the day.  That's life.    As far as double work outs counting for 2 days, I'm against it as the purpose of the challenge -as i understand it, is to motivate yourself to do something every day. If you've done 2 workouts and want to take the next day off, you can still stretch or foam roll etc. and that counts, so it shouldn't be too onerous to get something done even after a bid day.

 

BTW, i'm typing with my left -non dominate hand, so please forgive the mish mash!

Originally posted by brigby1

That sounds a LOT better! I'm thinking now that the mention of Advance Marathon Plan meant what's in his book, not the specific plan.

Some of the mileage differences we're saying seem to be showing how it can be viewed for different purposes. For planning purposes of fitting in the runs (e.g. scheduling), yeah the 20 mpw seems about right. That seems to be what you've been trying to do. But in terms of looking at what you've adapted to, over the past few months I see mostly 15-20 mile weeks with one week off and one up around 27 (after correcting for the daylight savings snafu). Using the mileage recorded is where I came up with the 17 mile per week over the past 2 months. November is more recent so is the one that matters more and the average is more like 20 there. If we continue with the 17, however, it can help illustrate the significance a little more. You're thinking that you have 20-25 miles a week right now. Getting up to 33 to start is another 11-12 miles, or about 50% more. From 17 miles it's a 16 mile jump, or almost 100%. A difference of a pretty good size run. You'll probably still be ok with it, just might be that little bit more difficult than expected. For the 25 mile recommendation, was that about 25 or at least 25? I ask because many might say they need to a 40 mile week for the 18/70, and you saw my thoughts on that earlier when I've done 46 several weeks.

Another thing I really have to look at, since I'm using a more adaptive training plan that has guidelines & recommendations, is that the limits for the amount of faster work I'm doing is based on the amount of mileage I've adapted to. Like Threshold running is no more than 10% of weekly or Repetition is no more than 5%.  The "adapted to" part can be overlooked. I think this may be understood, but making sure. It takes several weeks at least to adapt. I've been checking for each week by using the totals for the prior 4-5 weeks. If I wasn't sure about upping the faster total yet I didn't. They're upper limit guidelines for me not targets. The faster work in a Pfitz plan should be more defined and have already accounted for this in the design, but that adapted to part can still come into play for being ready at the start. When I see the 25 mile recommendation, I think more of actually getting in 25-30 miles for several weeks. Not just getting close to 25, but a real minimum to be met. But this is with the big caveat of only building off the fitness you have, so take care of that calf and get it better!

Originally posted by laffinrock

Nice job, Hands.  Or should we be calling you "Hand" until you get your other one back in working order?

Okay, to summarize suggested revisions:

#3 reporting.  Reporting will be number of days you met your goal during the week (e.g., 2/7, 5/7, 7/7).  Final report will be x/31.

#6 sick day - some dissent.  Options: (a) sick is sick; you still get credit for "sick" and should be specific about what "sick" is; (b) if you're sick, you don't get credit for the day if you don't log anything.

#7 injury day.  No credit if you don't do something.

#8 banking workouts - some dissent.  Options: (a) can bank if do 2 workouts on same day as long as they're different activities, not just a longer session than 10 min. or whatever time/distance goal you set; (b) no banking b/c the point of the challenge is to get in the habit of doing something every day; (c) banking one workout to be used on an adjacent day; (d) limit number of times you can bank to maybe 2x throughout the month.  D is a new one I just thought of based on Ben's comments.  These options can also be combined (ex: a, c, and d; or a and c).

Originally posted by rrrunner

No, she's still Hands because she has, like, ten of them....

Originally posted by laffinrock

Nice job, Hands.  Or should we be calling you "Hand" until you get your other one back in working order?

Okay, to summarize suggested revisions:

#3 reporting.  Reporting will be number of days you met your goal during the week (e.g., 2/7, 5/7, 7/7).  Final report will be x/31.

#6 sick day - some dissent.  Options: (a) sick is sick; you still get credit for "sick" and should be specific about what "sick" is; (b) if you're sick, you don't get credit for the day if you don't log anything.

#7 injury day.  No credit if you don't do something.

#8 banking workouts - some dissent.  Options: (a) can bank if do 2 workouts on same day as long as they're different activities, not just a longer session than 10 min. or whatever time/distance goal you set; (b) no banking b/c the point of the challenge is to get in the habit of doing something every day; (c) banking one workout to be used on an adjacent day; (d) limit number of times you can bank to maybe 2x throughout the month.  D is a new one I just thought of based on Ben's comments.  These options can also be combined (ex: a, c, and d; or a and c).

Originally posted by jmkizer

#6 - not sure how to log sick days.  People should say they are sick, it shouldn't count against them.  I don't want people with the flu going for a run!  OTOH, I don't know that you should get "credit" for being active. 

#8, I think B, get in the habit of doing something every day (and, as a side benefit, logging it here)

Originally posted by rrrunner

Hmmmm... puking = core work?

Originally posted by melbo55

Entry deleted since I think I answered my own question...

Originally posted by rrrunner

Ok so after a few rest days and a successful (pain free) swim yesterday and bike (drainer) today I'm contemplating how to get to the start line of my marathon in May. I'm wondering if I should scrap the Pfitz idea and go with something like this BT plan that starts out with less volume. It's a 20 week plan so theoretically I'd need to start next week but if the calf isn't ready yet (I haven't tried running even a few steps) then it would probably be easier to jump in to later then the Pfitz plan would be.

Thoughts?

Originally posted by IndoIronYanti

What a crazy circus week (yes, stellarly crazy, way beyond just the usual insanity) ...

The media attention has been CRAZY. We were literally doing interviews until the moment we left Busselton this morning. TV radio newspapers and every online format as well. Most of all, we're super thrilled about the exposure for our work with disabled athletes and sponsorship opportunities.

Especially since the International Paralympics Committee just announced last month that blind males would NOT be in the categories for triathlon in Rio. (Blind females, yes). Bizarro. So one of my guys can't go but we WILL get him to one of the other major international parathlete competitions. Still. We've all worked so hard.

Yup, as Jo said poor Red Robber has probably seen his final day. I'll post pics of him soon. And Stace Face can confirm about the fleas! Eeyuck!

Kingsley and I are recovering. He's got massive infected blisters on his feet (as in, even ones wrapped AROUND his foot coming up through and around the toes!). Some of our stuff is actually even too gross to post pictures of . I have chafing so severe it did require medical attention but that's actually the least of it! Couple of broken ribs on one side, a bruised one on the other (takes talent to do both sides), most of my right side is now swollen and bruised (took a couple days to really color and swell up nicely), the elbow joint has fairly extensive soft tissue damage (but fortunately not fractured) with one of the wounds down to the bone and has been stitched. What I thought was just a knee scrape also has a good bit of flesh missing.

Actually things (and I) are so swollen up now that I gained FIVE KILOS yes 11 lb from my race weigh-in ... and that was with clothes, this time was naked, so it's probably even more.

However, perhaps the yuckiest of all was that I couldn't shower after Ironman until now. My sister nearly died helping me to get my clothes off. So happy to be clean now! (bit of gymnastics in the shower even with waterproof bandages on but so worth it).

I have no idea how NyNy and Hands-Marie managed one-armed! It's nuts!

I'm looking at about a four-to-six week recovery window for the elbow and ribs.

FYI the crash occurred because some azzhole had parked a motorbike at an aid station. As in, where the athletes have to ride alongside the tables to pick things up from the volunteers. So the guy cycling in front of me stopped suddenly, and so I did too, except the road rose up to greet me. Very very quickly and thoroughly it did!