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Happy American Thanksgiving!

I've got a turkey trot tomorrow, is anyone else racing?


2017-11-22 3:05 PM
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Originally posted by JBacarella Happy American Thanksgiving! I've got a turkey trot tomorrow, is anyone else racing?

I'll be traveling tomorrow, so no turkey trot for me, but hopefully I can get some running in over the holiday.  Have fun to all the turkey trotters!!

Happy Thanksgiving (American style) to all! 

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Well it is Thursday here now so

HAPPY THANKSGIVING AMERICA

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2017-11-22 5:25 PM
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Happy Turkey Trotting

Go Jim!

Go Robin!

2017-11-22 6:06 PM
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I wasn't going to post this, but I'm looking to see if anyone has any experience with dogs and osteosarcoma.

Dug was fine on Saturday - he went to work at DIA as a pet therapy dog for nervous travelers. Sunday he and Jack went for a walk and played catch with the tennis ball (Jack the receiver would catch and run away, Dug the retriever would bring the ball back). Monday he started limping a bit so we took him to the vet because we're over protective that way. They diagnosed him with arthritis, gave him some anti-inflammatories and sent him home. By the end of the day he wasn't even putting weight on it. Tuesday it was really swollen so we took him in for x-rays. Nothing was broken but there were two small spots on his front left wrist. She took a blood sample and sent the x-rays to a radiologist.

Today we found out our almost 7 year old golden has Osteosarcoma. Treatment would include amputation of the leg at the shoulder, chemo, and radiation. Even with the chemo and radiation, the life expectancy of dogs with this cancer is only 4-12 months. We do meet with an oncologist on Tuesday for a consult. Needless to say we are heartbroken.

So, any experiences out there with this? Any questions you would ask the oncologist?

Thanks in advance
2017-11-22 6:25 PM
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Originally posted by fortissimo I wasn't going to post this, but I'm looking to see if anyone has any experience with dogs and osteosarcoma. Dug was fine on Saturday - he went to work at DIA as a pet therapy dog for nervous travelers. Sunday he and Jack went for a walk and played catch with the tennis ball (Jack the receiver would catch and run away, Dug the retriever would bring the ball back). Monday he started limping a bit so we took him to the vet because we're over protective that way. They diagnosed him with arthritis, gave him some anti-inflammatories and sent him home. By the end of the day he wasn't even putting weight on it. Tuesday it was really swollen so we took him in for x-rays. Nothing was broken but there were two small spots on his front left wrist. She took a blood sample and sent the x-rays to a radiologist. Today we found out our almost 7 year old golden has Osteosarcoma. Treatment would include amputation of the leg at the shoulder, chemo, and radiation. Even with the chemo and radiation, the life expectancy of dogs with this cancer is only 4-12 months. We do meet with an oncologist on Tuesday for a consult. Needless to say we are heartbroken. So, any experiences out there with this? Any questions you would ask the oncologist? Thanks in advance

Oh no! I am so sorry to hear that Dug is sick :-

Let me ask around a bit.



2017-11-23 7:56 AM
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Originally posted by fortissimo I wasn't going to post this, but I'm looking to see if anyone has any experience with dogs and osteosarcoma. Dug was fine on Saturday - he went to work at DIA as a pet therapy dog for nervous travelers. Sunday he and Jack went for a walk and played catch with the tennis ball (Jack the receiver would catch and run away, Dug the retriever would bring the ball back). Monday he started limping a bit so we took him to the vet because we're over protective that way. They diagnosed him with arthritis, gave him some anti-inflammatories and sent him home. By the end of the day he wasn't even putting weight on it. Tuesday it was really swollen so we took him in for x-rays. Nothing was broken but there were two small spots on his front left wrist. She took a blood sample and sent the x-rays to a radiologist. Today we found out our almost 7 year old golden has Osteosarcoma. Treatment would include amputation of the leg at the shoulder, chemo, and radiation. Even with the chemo and radiation, the life expectancy of dogs with this cancer is only 4-12 months. We do meet with an oncologist on Tuesday for a consult. Needless to say we are heartbroken. So, any experiences out there with this? Any questions you would ask the oncologist? Thanks in advance
i am sooooo sorry. I had a cat with that. Amputated her leg, no chemo or radiation. She lived a pretty good life for 1.5 years after. She had lots and lots of pain for a couple of months and had I known better, I would not have put her through that. I would ask about pain levels and quality of life. I am sending you lots of gentle hugs.

2017-11-23 7:59 AM
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Happy Thanksgiving!

2017-11-23 9:16 AM
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Happy Turkey Trotting

Go Jim!

Go Robin!

 I Turkey Trotted, but at home. My hands cried at the cold this morning. I had to wait until it warmed up to be outside. I hate to have missed this race, there were a bunch of folks I know there. I am going to have to buy some hand warmer things until the paws heal.

2017-11-23 10:04 AM
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Happy Thanksgiving to all that are celebrating!

Robin, I am sorry to see the challenge you are going through. You're all in my thoughts. 

2017-11-23 10:17 AM
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Originally posted by jmkizer

Happy Turkey Trotting

Go Jim!

Go Robin!

 I Turkey Trotted, but at home. My hands cried at the cold this morning. I had to wait until it warmed up to be outside. I hate to have missed this race, there were a bunch of folks I know there. I am going to have to buy some hand warmer things until the paws heal.

Way to get 'er done!

Enjoy the rest of the day!



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Originally posted by fortissimoI wasn't going to post this, but I'm looking to see if anyone has any experience with dogs and osteosarcoma. Dug was fine on Saturday - he went to work at DIA as a pet therapy dog for nervous travelers. Sunday he and Jack went for a walk and played catch with the tennis ball (Jack the receiver would catch and run away, Dug the retriever would bring the ball back). Monday he started limping a bit so we took him to the vet because we're over protective that way. They diagnosed him with arthritis, gave him some anti-inflammatories and sent him home. By the end of the day he wasn't even putting weight on it. Tuesday it was really swollen so we took him in for x-rays. Nothing was broken but there were two small spots on his front left wrist. She took a blood sample and sent the x-rays to a radiologist. Today we found out our almost 7 year old golden has Osteosarcoma. Treatment would include amputation of the leg at the shoulder, chemo, and radiation. Even with the chemo and radiation, the life expectancy of dogs with this cancer is only 4-12 months. We do meet with an oncologist on Tuesday for a consult. Needless to say we are heartbroken. So, any experiences out there with this? Any questions you would ask the oncologist?Thanks in advance
I don’t have experience with this, but I am sorry you are going through it and hope the specialist can offer you some decent options.
2017-11-23 3:18 PM
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Originally posted by fortissimo I wasn't going to post this, but I'm looking to see if anyone has any experience with dogs and osteosarcoma. Dug was fine on Saturday - he went to work at DIA as a pet therapy dog for nervous travelers. Sunday he and Jack went for a walk and played catch with the tennis ball (Jack the receiver would catch and run away, Dug the retriever would bring the ball back). Monday he started limping a bit so we took him to the vet because we're over protective that way. They diagnosed him with arthritis, gave him some anti-inflammatories and sent him home. By the end of the day he wasn't even putting weight on it. Tuesday it was really swollen so we took him in for x-rays. Nothing was broken but there were two small spots on his front left wrist. She took a blood sample and sent the x-rays to a radiologist. Today we found out our almost 7 year old golden has Osteosarcoma. Treatment would include amputation of the leg at the shoulder, chemo, and radiation. Even with the chemo and radiation, the life expectancy of dogs with this cancer is only 4-12 months. We do meet with an oncologist on Tuesday for a consult. Needless to say we are heartbroken. So, any experiences out there with this? Any questions you would ask the oncologist? Thanks in advance

Oh Robin, I am so sorry.  Osteosarcomas are not nice.  What a terrible thing for you guys to be dealing with. 

Unfortunately, osteosarc tends to metastasize quickly: were there any chest or abdomen xrays taken?  I'm sure the oncologist will recommend that prior to surgery.  If you have any specific questions, I am happy to try and answer them. 

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Originally posted by fortissimo

I wasn't going to post this, but I'm looking to see if anyone has any experience with dogs and osteosarcoma.

Dug was fine on Saturday - he went to work at DIA as a pet therapy dog for nervous travelers. Sunday he and Jack went for a walk and played catch with the tennis ball (Jack the receiver would catch and run away, Dug the retriever would bring the ball back). Monday he started limping a bit so we took him to the vet because we're over protective that way. They diagnosed him with arthritis, gave him some anti-inflammatories and sent him home. By the end of the day he wasn't even putting weight on it. Tuesday it was really swollen so we took him in for x-rays. Nothing was broken but there were two small spots on his front left wrist. She took a blood sample and sent the x-rays to a radiologist.

Today we found out our almost 7 year old golden has Osteosarcoma. Treatment would include amputation of the leg at the shoulder, chemo, and radiation. Even with the chemo and radiation, the life expectancy of dogs with this cancer is only 4-12 months. We do meet with an oncologist on Tuesday for a consult. Needless to say we are heartbroken.

So, any experiences out there with this? Any questions you would ask the oncologist?

Thanks in advance
Oh Robin I am so very sorry to hear this.

I don't have any personal experience with osteosarcoma but it is way to common in larger bred dogs. What I know of it is that it is extremely aggressive which is why they would be talking amputation. Unfortunately the success rate for treatment is really poor. I would be very tempted to have further tests to make sure that it hasn't already spread before going down the amputation route. Having that done as well as kemo and radiation may be just way too much for Dugs system to handle. Most people I know of who have had to deal with this horrible disease have chosen to medicate for pain and comfort and not cure.

If you want some alternate type treatments have a look here:
http://www.claremiddle.com/article-7b/

This lady is one of our vets. She used to have a mainstream vet practice but now does more Chinese herbs and other natural therapies. The good thing about her is that if she thinks more mainstream treatments will work better she says so. I know that there is no way you could visit her but I think if you emailed her that she would probably reply.

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Originally posted by fortissimo I wasn't going to post this, but I'm looking to see if anyone has any experience with dogs and osteosarcoma. Dug was fine on Saturday - he went to work at DIA as a pet therapy dog for nervous travelers. Sunday he and Jack went for a walk and played catch with the tennis ball (Jack the receiver would catch and run away, Dug the retriever would bring the ball back). Monday he started limping a bit so we took him to the vet because we're over protective that way. They diagnosed him with arthritis, gave him some anti-inflammatories and sent him home. By the end of the day he wasn't even putting weight on it. Tuesday it was really swollen so we took him in for x-rays. Nothing was broken but there were two small spots on his front left wrist. She took a blood sample and sent the x-rays to a radiologist. Today we found out our almost 7 year old golden has Osteosarcoma. Treatment would include amputation of the leg at the shoulder, chemo, and radiation. Even with the chemo and radiation, the life expectancy of dogs with this cancer is only 4-12 months. We do meet with an oncologist on Tuesday for a consult. Needless to say we are heartbroken. So, any experiences out there with this? Any questions you would ask the oncologist? Thanks in advance
i am sooooo sorry. I had a cat with that. Amputated her leg, no chemo or radiation. She lived a pretty good life for 1.5 years after. She had lots and lots of pain for a couple of months and had I known better, I would not have put her through that. I would ask about pain levels and quality of life. I am sending you lots of gentle hugs.

I just re-read this and it doesn't reflect what I meant. I intended it to say that she had a really good life after the amputation for at least a year and a half. THEN she was it lots of pain that I thought was treatable. I should have not let her endure that for as long as I did.

I hope you have some good news/advise from your Vet.

2017-11-27 4:06 PM
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With more depressing dog news, one of ours is Stage 4 cancer, growing off the jaw. Trying to figure out how to get her pain meds as she's figuring out everything. Favorites like cheese or peanut butter aren't working. Crunchy peanut butter worked sometimes for a bit, but she's worked it out (she's very smart). Trying to come up with other ideas where the pill might hide in, but she also doesn't have to chew much (hence crunchy pb, can just swallow and might hide the pill enough). With her jaw, everything needs to be softened up. She only has a few weeks and maybe into January left and trying to do the best we can with her.

For those that follow, this is the black lab/doberman mix I've posted a few times on.



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With more depressing dog news, one of ours is Stage 4 cancer, growing off the jaw. Trying to figure out how to get her pain meds as she's figuring out everything. Favorites like cheese or peanut butter aren't working. Crunchy peanut butter worked sometimes for a bit, but she's worked it out (she's very smart). Trying to come up with other ideas where the pill might hide in, but she also doesn't have to chew much (hence crunchy pb, can just swallow and might hide the pill enough). With her jaw, everything needs to be softened up. She only has a few weeks and maybe into January left and trying to do the best we can with her.

For those that follow, this is the black lab/doberman mix I've posted a few times on.

Cancer sucks.  Sorry you too are dealing with this.

Butter will sometimes work well, as will cream cheese.  Use way more than you think you need to/should.  Alternate/rotate between two or three things (butter/peanut butter/cream cheese) so that she doesn't associate the treat with the pill.  Give her the treat without the pill now and again for the same reason, especially at times other than the normal pill times.  They can tell time

I hope you get some good time with her.

2017-11-27 5:52 PM
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Originally posted by brigby1

With more depressing dog news, one of ours is Stage 4 cancer, growing off the jaw. Trying to figure out how to get her pain meds as she's figuring out everything. Favorites like cheese or peanut butter aren't working. Crunchy peanut butter worked sometimes for a bit, but she's worked it out (she's very smart). Trying to come up with other ideas where the pill might hide in, but she also doesn't have to chew much (hence crunchy pb, can just swallow and might hide the pill enough). With her jaw, everything needs to be softened up. She only has a few weeks and maybe into January left and trying to do the best we can with her.

For those that follow, this is the black lab/doberman mix I've posted a few times on.

Cancer sucks.  Sorry you too are dealing with this.

Butter will sometimes work well, as will cream cheese.  Use way more than you think you need to/should.  Alternate/rotate between two or three things (butter/peanut butter/cream cheese) so that she doesn't associate the treat with the pill.  Give her the treat without the pill now and again for the same reason, especially at times other than the normal pill times.  They can tell time

I hope you get some good time with her.

oh boy, we certainly have had a number of bad manatee dog stories. I hope she gets some relief and you get some quality time with her.

In addition to what's already been recommended, I had good luck using yogurt .

2017-11-27 7:22 PM
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Originally posted by IronOx

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With more depressing dog news, one of ours is Stage 4 cancer, growing off the jaw. Trying to figure out how to get her pain meds as she's figuring out everything. Favorites like cheese or peanut butter aren't working. Crunchy peanut butter worked sometimes for a bit, but she's worked it out (she's very smart). Trying to come up with other ideas where the pill might hide in, but she also doesn't have to chew much (hence crunchy pb, can just swallow and might hide the pill enough). With her jaw, everything needs to be softened up. She only has a few weeks and maybe into January left and trying to do the best we can with her.

For those that follow, this is the black lab/doberman mix I've posted a few times on.

Cancer sucks.  Sorry you too are dealing with this.

Butter will sometimes work well, as will cream cheese.  Use way more than you think you need to/should.  Alternate/rotate between two or three things (butter/peanut butter/cream cheese) so that she doesn't associate the treat with the pill.  Give her the treat without the pill now and again for the same reason, especially at times other than the normal pill times.  They can tell time

I hope you get some good time with her.

oh boy, we certainly have had a number of bad manatee dog stories. I hope she gets some relief and you get some quality time with her.

In addition to what's already been recommended, I had good luck using yogurt .


So sorry to hear this Ben.

Our dogs love yogurt, sometimes I will crush the tablet and stir it through the yogurt so they cant spit it out. Use flavoured yogurt so it hides the taste.
2017-11-28 8:21 AM
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With more depressing dog news, one of ours is Stage 4 cancer, growing off the jaw. Trying to figure out how to get her pain meds as she's figuring out everything. Favorites like cheese or peanut butter aren't working. Crunchy peanut butter worked sometimes for a bit, but she's worked it out (she's very smart). Trying to come up with other ideas where the pill might hide in, but she also doesn't have to chew much (hence crunchy pb, can just swallow and might hide the pill enough). With her jaw, everything needs to be softened up. She only has a few weeks and maybe into January left and trying to do the best we can with her.

For those that follow, this is the black lab/doberman mix I've posted a few times on.

Aw Ben, I am brokenhearted for you. I'm sure you have been through the wringer.

I'll be keeping all of you and yours that have been going through this sort of thing lately in my thoughts and prayers. We've had a bad go of things lately.

2017-11-28 8:33 AM
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With more depressing dog news, one of ours is Stage 4 cancer, growing off the jaw. Trying to figure out how to get her pain meds as she's figuring out everything. Favorites like cheese or peanut butter aren't working. Crunchy peanut butter worked sometimes for a bit, but she's worked it out (she's very smart). Trying to come up with other ideas where the pill might hide in, but she also doesn't have to chew much (hence crunchy pb, can just swallow and might hide the pill enough). With her jaw, everything needs to be softened up. She only has a few weeks and maybe into January left and trying to do the best we can with her.

For those that follow, this is the black lab/doberman mix I've posted a few times on.

I'm so sorry to hear this, Ben. :-(

With one of our dogs we had to resort to "liver pudding." It might be a southern thing, though. Does she like bananas, those are easy to chew and might be good for hiding small pills.



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With more depressing dog news, one of ours is Stage 4 cancer, growing off the jaw. Trying to figure out how to get her pain meds as she's figuring out everything. Favorites like cheese or peanut butter aren't working. Crunchy peanut butter worked sometimes for a bit, but she's worked it out (she's very smart). Trying to come up with other ideas where the pill might hide in, but she also doesn't have to chew much (hence crunchy pb, can just swallow and might hide the pill enough). With her jaw, everything needs to be softened up. She only has a few weeks and maybe into January left and trying to do the best we can with her.

For those that follow, this is the black lab/doberman mix I've posted a few times on.

I'm so sorry to hear this, Ben. :-(

With one of our dogs we had to resort to "liver pudding." It might be a southern thing, though. Does she like bananas, those are easy to chew and might be good for hiding small pills.

ok, that's just gross. As far as I know, it is not in Florida, though Florida really isn't a southern state!

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Originally posted by brigby1

With more depressing dog news, one of ours is Stage 4 cancer, growing off the jaw. Trying to figure out how to get her pain meds as she's figuring out everything. Favorites like cheese or peanut butter aren't working. Crunchy peanut butter worked sometimes for a bit, but she's worked it out (she's very smart). Trying to come up with other ideas where the pill might hide in, but she also doesn't have to chew much (hence crunchy pb, can just swallow and might hide the pill enough). With her jaw, everything needs to be softened up. She only has a few weeks and maybe into January left and trying to do the best we can with her.

For those that follow, this is the black lab/doberman mix I've posted a few times on.

I'm so sorry to hear this, Ben. :-(

With one of our dogs we had to resort to "liver pudding." It might be a southern thing, though. Does she like bananas, those are easy to chew and might be good for hiding small pills.

ok, that's just gross. As far as I know, it is not in Florida, though Florida really isn't a southern state!

I dunno, I never tried it!

Liverwurst would probably have worked as well, come to think of it.

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With more depressing dog news, one of ours is Stage 4 cancer, growing off the jaw. Trying to figure out how to get her pain meds as she's figuring out everything. Favorites like cheese or peanut butter aren't working. Crunchy peanut butter worked sometimes for a bit, but she's worked it out (she's very smart). Trying to come up with other ideas where the pill might hide in, but she also doesn't have to chew much (hence crunchy pb, can just swallow and might hide the pill enough). With her jaw, everything needs to be softened up. She only has a few weeks and maybe into January left and trying to do the best we can with her.

For those that follow, this is the black lab/doberman mix I've posted a few times on.

I'm so sorry to hear this, Ben. :-(

With one of our dogs we had to resort to "liver pudding." It might be a southern thing, though. Does she like bananas, those are easy to chew and might be good for hiding small pills.

OH... I am so sorry. I hope you can make her comfortable. I had great luck with meat babyfood. Crushed the pill in a heaping spoonful. I used different flavors to shake things up.

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Oh I forgot to tell you all about this really cool thing that happened when I was out running on Tuesday.

I live in the outer suburbs of the city and there is a fair bit of bush land around. So I was running along the sealed road and in the bush land on the side of the road there was a kangaroo bounding along with me. He was a young roo and much faster than me but he would stop every now and then and wait for me to catch up with him and then head off with me again. It was really cool.
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