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 2021-05-27 9:52 AM in reply to: melbo55 |
Champion  14677      Bronze member |  Subject: RE: Manatees Dooo Eeeet!!!Originally posted by melbo55 i was a really good hurdle jumper in high school. I had never been an athlete (other than swimming). I loved it. Girls were not allowed to compete in hurdles because it might make us have our periods!!!!Originally posted by ceilidh Originally posted by alaskatri ask WHY NBA is older than WNBA? Originally posted by jmkizer Sponsorship money - that was one of my questions, whether tri sponsorship money is similar (at least among the top tier athletes, Lange and Ryf for example)? My recollection at least of Kona was that coverage was pretty good for both women and men, but maybe I am misremembering? It's been a while since I've watched it. I'll have to pull it up on my DVR and let you know, hahaha. As for NBA/WNBA instead of "men's division" or "women's division," my guess on this is that the "NBA" has been around for many decades, that's what it has always been, whereas the WNBA is pretty new. So NBA just never got around to changing it. I also do not know if they are owned/run by the same company - i.e. is the WNBA a subset or branch of the original NBA corporation? Or is it an altogether different company? I honestly don't know.I actually went and scrolled through the ST thread after my last post. There were definitely some valid, and some not-so-valid, points in there. I thought the funniest one was near the end where it basically said women are smarter than men and were quicker to realize there are better career paths out there than torturing one's body for minimal pay. Funny, but also I think somewhat valid. I mean, triathlon has obviously evolved a lot over the years and we've all become a part of it, but the reality is we are all here because a group of men had a contest one night about whether runners, bikers, or swimmers were the better athlete. Originally posted by alaskatri Originally posted by jmkizer I have not read the ST thread on this, nor will I pretend to be well-versed in all of the goings on of men vs women's sports from a financial standpoint, other than the obvious-you-can't-really-miss-it reality that male athletes are generally paid substantially more. I am curious though, is the disparity in triathlon as wide as say the NBA vs WNBA, men's vs women's soccer, etc? I tracked Jim on the IM app through the race, and one of the things it also did was give me general news updates from the race. I thought it said that Lange won men's race, Ryf won women's, and they both got $25k in prize money. I may be wrong on that, but that was my recollection. Are the prize monies across most races equal? It seems to me that a prize-money gap would not explain the difference in why the top 10 men are more closely stacked than the women, as it seems to me that overall, making a decent living as a full time triathlete is nearly impossible regardless of who you are. Very few actually accomplish it. As for marketing, do you think that sponsorships and advertising are fairly equal in triathlon? It seems like it would be given that the races take place at the same time on the same course, and thus, have the same viewership, but I honestly don't know. It seems like triathlon is somewhat unique in that regard. Marketing folks do not have to decide whether fans will watch a men's triathlon over a women's triathlon the way they have to wonder about NBA games selling out and WNBA games not because both genders run the same course at the same time, leaving the start pretty close in time to each other. When you open the discussion into basketball, soccer, hockey, etc., you could spend all day arguing about the disparities. But overall, I feel like tri is a pretty well-balanced sport in this regard, but maybe I am naive about that? For what it's worth, if I could only watch one in triathlon, I'd watch the women over the men. I have been mesmerized during the last couple of Hawaii IM races as to how fast Lucy Charles is on the swim, only to slowly lose that lead later down the road. I know it's a 3 sport event, but I'd love to see her finally win that race given how she literally smokes the competition on the swim. Originally posted by melbo55 Originally posted by jmkizer Originally posted by amd723 I just read the ST thread on why women pros aren't grouped more tightly in finishing time - wow! Janyne good on you for getting in there and at least getting some female perspective into the man fest of explaining why women do or don't do what women do or don't do They forced me to do some research! According the the National Federation of State High School Associations (NFHS), in 2015-2016schools are providing about 1.2 million fewer chances for girls to play sports in high school as compared to boys -- 3.32 million girls participated, while the number of boys was 4.54 million so 27% fewer opportunities. Let's think back a few months to the NCAA basketball tournaments. Think about how the men's championship was marketed? How the male athletes were treated? Now let's compare that to the women's tournament? OK, now let's think about the softball tournament versus the baseball tournament.
Yup. Other huge examples: women's national soccer team vs. men's national soccer team. The disgustingly glaring disparity in how the men's Olympic hockey team was introduced during the Winter Classic (I forget the year, sorry!) vs. the women's Olympic hockey team. The women were all lined up and names read quickly and without fanfare. The men came out to fireworks, pyrotechnics at each announced name, a hero's welcome. It was stomach-turning to me as a woman and a hockey player. Since women's hockey has been permitted in the Olympics in 1998, the US women's team amassed 2 gold, 3 silver, and 1 bronze medal. The men's team won 2 silver in that same time frame, yet they rarely get the attention the men do. Exactly! Why do some people seem to think that this is OK? Thank you for your thoughtful response. You are correct, prize money is the same for the men's race and the women's race. That doesn't mean that the total compensation package is the same, though, since most professional triathletes make a lot more from sponsorship deals than from races. While men and women pros often compete in the same races, that is not always true. Also, just because it's the same race, does not mean that the coverage is the same. Think about NBC's Kona coverage, for example? They will show how many professional men? And they say, Ryf won. Again. Of the top 30 paid athletes, only one is female -- Naomi Osaka. Speaking of the NBA. Why is it the NBA and the WNBA and not the NBA men's division and women's division? Or PGA and LPGA? Are they not all professional golfers? I don't know that anyone here is picking on triathlon specifically but the fact that the conversation wen on to women have equal access to sports and if they are not participating, it's because they are not interested in participating. I'm just saying that this is the wrong premise to start from. P.S. Today they wanted to know if majorettes and marching band color guard were included in these numbers -- 3.32 million girls participated, while the number of boys was 4.54 million so 27% fewer opportunities. Let's sit here and recall the not-so-olden days when women's athletics were discouraged because out uteruses would fall out if we exerted ourselves. This was a prevailing mindset into the 1970s. |
I noticed that the thread also changed focus from why the big difference from front of pack pro women finishers v farther back finishers to men are bigger and faster than women and even HS boy track stars can come close to beating women pro track stars. Classic. | 2021-05-27 11:35 AM in reply to: jmkizer |
Master 7712 Orlando | Subject: RE: Manatees Dooo Eeeet!!! Originally posted by jmkizer Originally posted by ceilidh Originally posted by alaskatri ask WHY NBA is older than WNBA? Originally posted by jmkizer Sponsorship money - that was one of my questions, whether tri sponsorship money is similar (at least among the top tier athletes, Lange and Ryf for example)? My recollection at least of Kona was that coverage was pretty good for both women and men, but maybe I am misremembering? It's been a while since I've watched it. I'll have to pull it up on my DVR and let you know, hahaha. As for NBA/WNBA instead of "men's division" or "women's division," my guess on this is that the "NBA" has been around for many decades, that's what it has always been, whereas the WNBA is pretty new. So NBA just never got around to changing it. I also do not know if they are owned/run by the same company - i.e. is the WNBA a subset or branch of the original NBA corporation? Or is it an altogether different company? I honestly don't know.I actually went and scrolled through the ST thread after my last post. There were definitely some valid, and some not-so-valid, points in there. I thought the funniest one was near the end where it basically said women are smarter than men and were quicker to realize there are better career paths out there than torturing one's body for minimal pay. Funny, but also I think somewhat valid. I mean, triathlon has obviously evolved a lot over the years and we've all become a part of it, but the reality is we are all here because a group of men had a contest one night about whether runners, bikers, or swimmers were the better athlete. Originally posted by alaskatri Originally posted by jmkizer I have not read the ST thread on this, nor will I pretend to be well-versed in all of the goings on of men vs women's sports from a financial standpoint, other than the obvious-you-can't-really-miss-it reality that male athletes are generally paid substantially more. I am curious though, is the disparity in triathlon as wide as say the NBA vs WNBA, men's vs women's soccer, etc? I tracked Jim on the IM app through the race, and one of the things it also did was give me general news updates from the race. I thought it said that Lange won men's race, Ryf won women's, and they both got $25k in prize money. I may be wrong on that, but that was my recollection. Are the prize monies across most races equal? It seems to me that a prize-money gap would not explain the difference in why the top 10 men are more closely stacked than the women, as it seems to me that overall, making a decent living as a full time triathlete is nearly impossible regardless of who you are. Very few actually accomplish it. As for marketing, do you think that sponsorships and advertising are fairly equal in triathlon? It seems like it would be given that the races take place at the same time on the same course, and thus, have the same viewership, but I honestly don't know. It seems like triathlon is somewhat unique in that regard. Marketing folks do not have to decide whether fans will watch a men's triathlon over a women's triathlon the way they have to wonder about NBA games selling out and WNBA games not because both genders run the same course at the same time, leaving the start pretty close in time to each other. When you open the discussion into basketball, soccer, hockey, etc., you could spend all day arguing about the disparities. But overall, I feel like tri is a pretty well-balanced sport in this regard, but maybe I am naive about that? For what it's worth, if I could only watch one in triathlon, I'd watch the women over the men. I have been mesmerized during the last couple of Hawaii IM races as to how fast Lucy Charles is on the swim, only to slowly lose that lead later down the road. I know it's a 3 sport event, but I'd love to see her finally win that race given how she literally smokes the competition on the swim. Originally posted by melbo55 Originally posted by jmkizer Originally posted by amd723 I just read the ST thread on why women pros aren't grouped more tightly in finishing time - wow! Janyne good on you for getting in there and at least getting some female perspective into the man fest of explaining why women do or don't do what women do or don't do They forced me to do some research! According the the National Federation of State High School Associations (NFHS), in 2015-2016schools are providing about 1.2 million fewer chances for girls to play sports in high school as compared to boys -- 3.32 million girls participated, while the number of boys was 4.54 million so 27% fewer opportunities. Let's think back a few months to the NCAA basketball tournaments. Think about how the men's championship was marketed? How the male athletes were treated? Now let's compare that to the women's tournament? OK, now let's think about the softball tournament versus the baseball tournament.
Yup. Other huge examples: women's national soccer team vs. men's national soccer team. The disgustingly glaring disparity in how the men's Olympic hockey team was introduced during the Winter Classic (I forget the year, sorry!) vs. the women's Olympic hockey team. The women were all lined up and names read quickly and without fanfare. The men came out to fireworks, pyrotechnics at each announced name, a hero's welcome. It was stomach-turning to me as a woman and a hockey player. Since women's hockey has been permitted in the Olympics in 1998, the US women's team amassed 2 gold, 3 silver, and 1 bronze medal. The men's team won 2 silver in that same time frame, yet they rarely get the attention the men do. Exactly! Why do some people seem to think that this is OK? Thank you for your thoughtful response. You are correct, prize money is the same for the men's race and the women's race. That doesn't mean that the total compensation package is the same, though, since most professional triathletes make a lot more from sponsorship deals than from races. While men and women pros often compete in the same races, that is not always true. Also, just because it's the same race, does not mean that the coverage is the same. Think about NBC's Kona coverage, for example? They will show how many professional men? And they say, Ryf won. Again. Of the top 30 paid athletes, only one is female -- Naomi Osaka. Speaking of the NBA. Why is it the NBA and the WNBA and not the NBA men's division and women's division? Or PGA and LPGA? Are they not all professional golfers? I don't know that anyone here is picking on triathlon specifically but the fact that the conversation wen on to women have equal access to sports and if they are not participating, it's because they are not interested in participating. I'm just saying that this is the wrong premise to start from. P.S. Today they wanted to know if majorettes and marching band color guard were included in these numbers -- 3.32 million girls participated, while the number of boys was 4.54 million so 27% fewer opportunities. Men have been around longer than women? At any rate, this goes to the point that I tried to make above: Examples of gender marking are present in many women’s championships like the Women’s World Cup, the Women’s NCAA Final Four, and the United States Women’s Open Championship. When looking at the similar events for men’s sporting events, one will notice that they are never qualified with a gender moniker, which sets the tone as the male event being the standard and the female event being marked as the “other” event. The gender qualification has always bugged me. I can understand if you just say, for example, the basketball game is on, you wont know whether it is men's or women's (suspend your belief and imagine a world where there would be a real question about which team is on tv What really annoys me is the University and colleges that gender qualify - like the Lady Seminoles (I went to FSU) or Lady Gators ( Univ. of FL). Why aren't we all just Seminoles or Gators (though who'd want to be a gator |
)?| 2021-05-27 11:55 AM in reply to: amd723 |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: Manatees Dooo Eeeet!!! Originally posted by amd723 What really annoys me is the University and colleges that gender qualify - like the Lady Seminoles (I went to FSU) or Lady Gators ( Univ. of FL). Why aren't we all just Seminoles or Gators (though who'd want to be a gator Exactly, who'd want to be a Gator? I mean, yes, we should have Men's Basketball and Women's Basketball -- it not just Basketball. Certainly not Basketball and Women's Basketball. Or worse yet men and girls. |
| 2021-05-27 11:56 AM in reply to: ceilidh |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: Manatees Dooo Eeeet!!! Originally posted by ceilidh i was a really good hurdle jumper in high school. I had never been an athlete (other than swimming). I loved it. Girls were not allowed to compete in hurdles because it might make us have our periods!!!! You mean that didn't happen in practice? This would only happen in a competitive situation? |
| 2021-05-27 1:49 PM in reply to: 0 |
Champion 14677 Bronze member | Subject: RE: Manatees Dooo Eeeet!!! Originally posted by jmkizer There were only women at practice. In the competition, BOYS might see it and die, if it would actually happen. {Smacking head} I gave up athletics after that. It would have change a lot in my life had I been able to keep going. Originally posted by ceilidh i was a really good hurdle jumper in high school. I had never been an athlete (other than swimming). I loved it. Girls were not allowed to compete in hurdles because it might make us have our periods!!!! You mean that didn't happen in practice? This would only happen in a competitive situation? Edited by ceilidh 2021-05-27 2:38 PM |
| 2021-05-27 8:41 PM in reply to: ceilidh |
Expert 2811 | Subject: RE: Manatees Dooo Eeeet!!! It's official now, I did ,y race report. https://beginnertriathlete.com/RaceLog/races-edit.asp?raceid=290974, It was a rough race. The bike course was dangerous. If the roads had been better, I would have had a better day. The rain didn't help either. |
| 2021-05-27 9:00 PM in reply to: ceilidh |
Expert 2811 | Subject: RE: Manatees Dooo Eeeet!!! Originally posted by ceilidh Originally posted by jmkizer There were only women at practice. In the competition, BOYS might see it and die, if it would actually happen. {Smacking head} I gave up athletics after that. It would have change a lot in my life had I been able to keep going. Originally posted by ceilidh i was a really good hurdle jumper in high school. I had never been an athlete (other than swimming). I loved it. Girls were not allowed to compete in hurdles because it might make us have our periods!!!! You mean that didn't happen in practice? This would only happen in a competitive situation? Sadly this still continues. D3 has always been a runner, because she liked to run. In elementary school she would have us drop her off at the end of the driveway and run home, it was a half mile and this spunky little 5 year old ran it every day. She started running 5k's with me when she was 8 (mostly because it was one of the few times we would let her drink Mountain Dew). Fast forward to high school track and she wanted to run the 3,200. The coach wouldn't let her do it, because she couldn't run that far. One day they had an indoor practice and he saw he outrunning most of the boys for distance. They signed her up the 3200 in the next meet and she came in 3rd. Points they were losing because she was a 9th grade girl, so he assumed she couldn't run it. While I think we a very slowly evolving, it's not fast enough and the disparity both in the workplace and in sports needs to change. I think that people my age are more accepting of real equality than the generation before ours, there is a lot of work to be done. Besides I have 4 kids I want off of my payroll, and I kind of figure the more they earn, the better my retirement will be. |
| 2021-05-27 10:47 PM in reply to: JBacarella |
Master 8249 Eugene, Oregon Bronze member | Subject: RE: Manatees Dooo Eeeet!!! I don't have nearly enough time or energy to say what I'd like to on this topic, but it's been an issue I've felt strongly about all my life. When I was a high school student, our state did not offer the 2-mile run for girls until my junior year. This was the reason I eventually ran (and won) my first marathon at age 14--it wasn't pushy parents, or adolescent craziness (well, maybe a little), obsession, or anything like that. It was a boycott, a protest, and an effort to make the argument that "Girls can't run that far," look really, really stupid. (At one point I was also told that, "It would take too long for girls to run 2 miles, the meets would last too long, and people would get bored.") It frustrated me to no end as the 2-mile was by far my best event. Oddly, girls ran (and still run) 5K in Ohio HS cross country (but still not in Oregon!) but somehow we couldn't run 2 miles in circles on a track?? My father helped by sending on reports with my exploits to running magazines and the state HS athletic association. It culminated with an article in the Chicago Tribune and Running Times. (This was in the days before social media.) Eventually (I don't know whether any was due to our efforts or not) the 2-mile was added for girls my junior year. At the end of my senior year, I managed to win our state championship by (yes, really) 0.32 seconds. I doubt the spectators were bored by that. They still don't have men and women run the same distance in NCAA cross country. When I was in college, it was 5K for women and 10K for men, even in D1. I was in the top 60 or so for the 5K distance, and quite possibly could have been all-American at 10K, but no chance at 5K. We also didn't run steeplechase, which I excelled at (we had some exhibition races but they didn't qualify you for NCAA's, etc.) To this day, I feel a bit cheated.... I know those who came before me had it worse, and some of my greatest heroes are people like Katherine Switzer, Joan Benoit, and others who fought for the right of women to compete in endurance sports and get (well, nearly) equal events at the Olympics. They were my heroes back when I was 12, 13, 14, 15, lining up with adults and racing them, and even now. I could say a lot more but no time....too busy working myself to death. Three more weeks of school! |
| 2021-05-28 2:43 AM in reply to: ceilidh |
| 297 | Subject: RE: Manatees Dooo Eeeet!!! The ST thread seems to have evolved into a lot of snide comments, and some meanness and anger. As I read through this thread, it made me smile to be part of a group of people who I think, even outside the internet in their everyday lives, genuinely care about making the world a better place. Thanks for having me. |
| 2021-05-28 6:38 AM in reply to: Hot Runner |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: Manatees Dooo Eeeet!!! Originally posted by Hot Runner I don't have nearly enough time or energy to say what I'd like to on this topic, but it's been an issue I've felt strongly about all my life. When I was a high school student, our state did not offer the 2-mile run for girls until my junior year. This was the reason I eventually ran (and won) my first marathon at age 14--it wasn't pushy parents, or adolescent craziness (well, maybe a little), obsession, or anything like that. It was a boycott, a protest, and an effort to make the argument that "Girls can't run that far," look really, really stupid. (At one point I was also told that, "It would take too long for girls to run 2 miles, the meets would last too long, and people would get bored.") It frustrated me to no end as the 2-mile was by far my best event. Oddly, girls ran (and still run) 5K in Ohio HS cross country (but still not in Oregon!) but somehow we couldn't run 2 miles in circles on a track?? My father helped by sending on reports with my exploits to running magazines and the state HS athletic association. It culminated with an article in the Chicago Tribune and Running Times. (This was in the days before social media.) Eventually (I don't know whether any was due to our efforts or not) the 2-mile was added for girls my junior year. At the end of my senior year, I managed to win our state championship by (yes, really) 0.32 seconds. I doubt the spectators were bored by that. They still don't have men and women run the same distance in NCAA cross country. When I was in college, it was 5K for women and 10K for men, even in D1. I was in the top 60 or so for the 5K distance, and quite possibly could have been all-American at 10K, but no chance at 5K. We also didn't run steeplechase, which I excelled at (we had some exhibition races but they didn't qualify you for NCAA's, etc.) To this day, I feel a bit cheated.... I know those who came before me had it worse, and some of my greatest heroes are people like Katherine Switzer, Joan Benoit, and others who fought for the right of women to compete in endurance sports and get (well, nearly) equal events at the Olympics. They were my heroes back when I was 12, 13, 14, 15, lining up with adults and racing them, and even now. I could say a lot more but no time....too busy working myself to death. Three more weeks of school! Thanks for sharing, Karen. Men and women still run different distances in collegiate cross country. |
| 2021-05-28 6:39 AM in reply to: alaskatri |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: Manatees Dooo Eeeet!!! Originally posted by alaskatri The ST thread seems to have evolved into a lot of snide comments, and some meanness and anger. As I read through this thread, it made me smile to be part of a group of people who I think, even outside the internet in their everyday lives, genuinely care about making the world a better place. Thanks for having me. Thanks for contributing! |
| 2021-05-28 6:45 AM in reply to: jmkizer |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: Manatees Dooo Eeeet!!! On a lighter topic -- DCR posted a list of sports tech deals. Happy shopping! https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2021/05/spring-sports-deals.html |
| 2021-05-28 7:51 AM in reply to: jmkizer |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: Manatees Dooo Eeeet!!! Manatee business No Zoom meetup this month due to the holiday. We've had very light turnout the last few months. Do we want to continue offering a meetup on the last Monday of the month? I'd don't mind either way. |
| 2021-05-28 7:52 AM in reply to: jmkizer |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: Manatees Dooo Eeeet!!! Racing Manatees!!! Is anyone else racing or doing anything else fun? |
| 2021-05-28 7:53 AM in reply to: JBacarella |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: Manatees Dooo Eeeet!!! Originally posted by JBacarella It's official now, I did ,y race report. https://beginnertriathlete.com/RaceLog/races-edit.asp?raceid=290974,It was a rough race. The bike course was dangerous. If the roads had been better, I would have had a better day. The rain didn't help either. We were delighted to follow you and we are all very proud of your perserverence. Way to FINISH IT! |
| 2021-05-28 8:03 AM in reply to: jmkizer |
Master 7712 Orlando | Subject: RE: Manatees Dooo Eeeet!!! Originally posted by jmkizer Originally posted by JBacarella It's official now, I did ,y race report. https://beginnertriathlete.com/RaceLog/races-edit.asp?raceid=290974,It was a rough race. The bike course was dangerous. If the roads had been better, I would have had a better day. The rain didn't help either. We were delighted to follow you and we are all very proud of your perserverence. Way to FINISH IT! x2! Note to self: never, ever, never even think about doing Tulsa IM |
| 2021-05-28 8:07 AM in reply to: jmkizer |
Master 7712 Orlando | Subject: RE: Manatees Dooo Eeeet!!! Thanks to all for the interesting conversation this past week regarding women and sports. I was a little bit worried the topic could turn people off or otherwise be divisive -like it was on ST, but I needn't have worried -manatees are way better than the STers! |
| 2021-05-28 8:10 AM in reply to: jmkizer |
Master 7712 Orlando | Subject: RE: Manatees Dooo Eeeet!!! Originally posted by jmkizer Manatee business No Zoom meetup this month due to the holiday. We've had very light turnout the last few months. Do we want to continue offering a meetup on the last Monday of the month? I'd don't mind either way. I enjoy the meet ups when I can attend, unfortunately that is not very often b/c of my work schedule. My vote is that you (Janyne) get to decide whether to continue the meetings as you are the one that coordinates and are always there. If someone else (Chris maybe) is also a frequent attendee he can have a vote too |
| 2021-05-28 12:08 PM in reply to: amd723 |
| 297 | Subject: RE: Manatees Dooo Eeeet!!! Originally posted by amd723 Thanks to all for the interesting conversation this past week regarding women and sports. I was a little bit worried the topic could turn people off or otherwise be divisive -like it was on ST, but I needn't have worried -manatees are way better than the STers! Agreed. This is such a great group. |
| 2021-05-28 2:36 PM in reply to: alaskatri |
Expert 2811 | Subject: RE: Manatees Dooo Eeeet!!! The new bike is home and I would like to introduce "Fireball" to the group (Fireball 2.jpg) (Fireball 3.jpg) (Fireball.jpg) (Fireball4.jpg) Attachments ---------------- Fireball 2.jpg (87KB - 4 downloads) Fireball 3.jpg (97KB - 5 downloads) Fireball.jpg (91KB - 4 downloads) Fireball4.jpg (102KB - 4 downloads) |
| 2021-05-28 2:39 PM in reply to: JBacarella |
Expert 2811 | Subject: RE: Manatees Dooo Eeeet!!! And it's not a good day to go swimming |
| 2021-05-28 3:19 PM in reply to: JBacarella |
| 297 | Subject: RE: Manatees Dooo Eeeet!!! Originally posted by JBacarella The new bike is home and I would like to introduce "Fireball" to the group Nice, that's a sweet looking bike. A week too late perhaps, but nice nonetheless (although after reading your race report, maybe it was better not to trash the new bike through that experience). |
| 2021-05-28 3:20 PM in reply to: JBacarella |
Master 7712 Orlando | Subject: RE: Manatees Dooo Eeeet!!! Originally posted by JBacarella The new bike is home and I would like to introduce "Fireball" to the group Wow! Fireball is gorgeous!! |
| 2021-05-28 3:21 PM in reply to: JBacarella |
Master 7712 Orlando | Subject: RE: Manatees Dooo Eeeet!!! Originally posted by JBacarella And it's not a good day to go swimming For the last year I've felt the same way |
| 2021-05-28 3:39 PM in reply to: JBacarella |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: Manatees Dooo Eeeet!!! Originally posted by JBacarella The new bike is home and I would like to introduce "Fireball" to the group Oh! Nice looking bike! I know what Jim's doing this weekend! |
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