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2012-12-18 11:38 AM
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tuwood - 2012-12-17 1:49 PM

You guys are actually surprising me on this one.  I thought most of you were for separation of church and state no matter what the religion.  But it seems to be more of a separation of Christianity and state with no issues whatsoever in teaching an exercise class rooted in Hinduism beliefs.

How is practicing Yoga and teaching the aspects of Hinduism to kids not a violation of that separation?

If I have a Jesus Jacks class and while the kids are doing their Jesus Jacks they recite how hey can have inner peace through a relationship with Jesus I suspect you'd have issues with that.

Now, all that being said I have no problem at all with them teaching Yoga and I also have no problem with the church being involved with kids and schools.  I'm a big proponent on kids needing more faith in their lives, no matter what form it comes in.  But, I'm one of those whack job religious types so please disregard my opinion. 

You bring up a good point I hadn't thought of before. I find running to be spiritualistic, probably others do too and I guess to some degree religious. I think with that in mind we should forbid kids to run in school or any school activities. This should make track, football and basketball interesting. I think one benefit would be a more level playing field for everyone.

But to some, football is a religion.  So that should be banned too.

Exactly, especially in Nebraska and Texas!

See if we keep kicking around enough of these things we'll find agreement.



2012-12-18 11:42 AM
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joestop74 - 2012-12-18 7:55 AM

I think people can take some things way too far,

However, let me say that I personally know an Indian man (in his 80s today).  He was converted to Christianity in his 20s in India after reading the New Testament.  He is very adamant that Christians should not practice any form of yoga because of its ties to Eastern religion, of which he used to follow.

I can respect that.  It would very insensitive of me to tell him there's nothing wrong with it, when he has far more knowledge about it than I do.

Reminds me that context is extremely important.

Just a short break from my regularly scheduled sarcasms and innuendo. 

Our nation was in part founded with the concept of "Freedom of Religion" NOT "Freedom from religion". It looks to me like we've been moving from one to the other in the last few decades. I'm not a fan of organized religion personally but I respect those who are and their rights to worship as they see fit....

2012-12-18 11:50 AM
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Stacers - 2012-12-18 8:47 AM

I have a good friend who thought it would be fun to take a yoga class a few years ago. We were about to sign up when her very religious husband *forbade* her to take yoga for this reason, and we ended up having to take a pilates class instead.

I was (and still am) completely floored that he thought a YMCA yoga class was akin to worshipping other gods (and also that she caved and let him tell her what to do). For the record, this is a guy who also believes that Obama is muslim and wants to kill Christians, so there you go.

Doesn't the good book say women are to be subservient to their husbands, she's just being a good wife.

2012-12-18 11:51 AM
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tuwood - 2012-12-17 4:49 PM

You guys are actually surprising me on this one.  I thought most of you were for separation of church and state no matter what the religion.  But it seems to be more of a separation of Christianity and state with no issues whatsoever in teaching an exercise class rooted in Hinduism beliefs.

How is practicing Yoga and teaching the aspects of Hinduism to kids not a violation of that separation?

If I have a Jesus Jacks class and while the kids are doing their Jesus Jacks they recite how hey can have inner peace through a relationship with Jesus I suspect you'd have issues with that.

Now, all that being said I have no problem at all with them teaching Yoga and I also have no problem with the church being involved with kids and schools.  I'm a big proponent on kids needing more faith in their lives, no matter what form it comes in.  But, I'm one of those whack job religious types so please disregard my opinion. 

Separation of church and state does not ban religion from schools, it only bans the promotion or endorsement of one over others. If during yoga class the instructor is actively promoting Hinduism to the students over other religions then there is an issue. Even bibles are allowed in schools for literary purposes or for comparing mythologies to one another; these actions do not promote christianity in any way.
2012-12-18 11:55 AM
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When I watch women doing yoga I have lots of impure thoughts.  So I guess that's anti-religious.

(Sorry if the joke's already been made in the previous 4 pages)

2012-12-18 9:16 PM
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KeriKadi - 2012-12-17 10:28 AM

A friend of mine was fired from our local YMCA as a yoga teacher because she mentioned something some felt was non Christian. She said something about chanting. 

My daughters and I do family yoga at our YMCA once a week, let me add this to my list of concerns. Silly people.

I have a CD of Gregorian chants they could listen to.


2012-12-18 10:00 PM
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TriRSquared - 2012-12-18 11:55 AM

When I watch women doing yoga I have lots of impure thoughts.  So I guess that's anti-religious.

(Sorry if the joke's already been made in the previous 4 pages)



Have you tried hot yoga?
2012-12-18 10:10 PM
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crusevegas - 2012-12-17 6:45 PM
tuwood - 2012-12-17 1:49 PM

You guys are actually surprising me on this one.  I thought most of you were for separation of church and state no matter what the religion.  But it seems to be more of a separation of Christianity and state with no issues whatsoever in teaching an exercise class rooted in Hinduism beliefs.

How is practicing Yoga and teaching the aspects of Hinduism to kids not a violation of that separation?

If I have a Jesus Jacks class and while the kids are doing their Jesus Jacks they recite how hey can have inner peace through a relationship with Jesus I suspect you'd have issues with that.

Now, all that being said I have no problem at all with them teaching Yoga and I also have no problem with the church being involved with kids and schools.  I'm a big proponent on kids needing more faith in their lives, no matter what form it comes in.  But, I'm one of those whack job religious types so please disregard my opinion. 

You bring up a good point I hadn't thought of before. I find running to be spiritualistic, probably others do too and I guess to some degree religious. I think with that in mind we should forbid kids to run in school or any school activities. This should make track, football and basketball interesting. I think one benefit would be a more level playing field for everyone.

Spirituality and religion have nothing to do with each other.

2012-12-18 11:43 PM
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Just bring back Dodgeball.   Dodge, duck, dip, dive and dodge! 

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2012-12-19 12:54 AM
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I actually worked the previous two school years as an administrator in the high school district that the K6 district in the story feeds into, and I have some basic background information.There is a Christian group that has been purposefully gunning for religious lawsuits against the affluent districts in San Diego for years.I don't know if they want the $$$ or the publicity, or both.However, they have been active in creating artificial controversy.I don't know if they were affiliated, but one group made themselves famous in a lawsuit with neighboring district by putting anti-gay slogans on t-shirts until, one day, an administrator told them to knock it off. Now, these were not t-shirts. It was literally masking tape and a marker on a t-shirt. ( google Poway t-shirt lawsuit for info on that case).The two tactics that I know of without getting into confidentiality issues are - now I was peripheral, so my details may not be 100%, but the basic stuff is correct.1 - World history teacher in the district had a guest lecture by a middle eastern studies professor (who happened to be Islamic of middle eastern descent) demonstrated a lesson on the crusades how it is taught in the Middle East from the middle eastern perspective. By all accounts, it was academic and well done. They had an academic conpare/contrast discussion afterwards. This group threatened to sue claiming that we were spreading the Islamic religion on campus unless we granted someone from there group equal time. I believe the person was a preacher wih no academic credentials, and the prepared presentation was about how Christianity is better than Islam. I think all guest lecturers are no longer allowed to honor equality.2 - Inundate schools with request for campus access from community (meet with students, distribute flyers, civic center room use, etc). They identify sometimes as secular, sometimes as faith-based. Sometimes the requests are appropriate and protected by law, other times not...When they got access, they preached Christianity and broke the rules. When they were denied, they would compare the results with secular identification versus faith based to find a discrimination claim. We knew that no matter how many times we got it right, if one person gave the wrong answer one time, it would be a huge lawsuit.
2012-12-19 1:02 AM
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And for people not familiar with Encinitas, if you use the terms "swami" the top associations that people will make are....-the nickname for the local world famous surf beach.- a cycling club- a popular health food cafe


2012-12-19 3:35 AM
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Yoga emerged and developed as a RELIGIOUS practice (of the physical variety). I understand the objections that proponents of other religions might have to the practice of yoga as part of a public institution in the U.S.

I would similarly understand objections to a Falun Dafa/Gong class as P.E.

I personally have no problem with participating in the rites and practices of other religions and spiritual traditions as long as they don't conflict with my interpretation of mine or other ethical choices I uphold. (Genuflecting during Hindu, Orthodox Christian, and Muslim prayers, okay; tarot cards, okay; sitting through a sermon (of any faith) that directly denigrates mine, not okay; cutting children's fingers off when a close relative dies, not okay.)

Yoga is an interesting case because it's become, and some of its forms have been adapted as, a generic physical activity. The same is true for some traditional martial arts. In both cases I can still appreciate that some parents would have objections because of the religious nature and history of these activities, and I think their children should be allowed to sit quietly on the sidelines in those cases.

I do not think that forms of yoga incorporating asana (poses) that directly worship anything (they're not actually that common) or traditional Sanskrit chants are appropriate in a public-school setting. I'm okay with the modern made-up Sanksrit  chants because they have no roots or connection to any kind of religious practice, and frankly, they're essentially meaningless. You may as well be chanting "Jabberwocky." Basically, most of the watered-down pap yoga that's heavily marketed in the U.S. is just fine

2012-12-19 6:33 AM
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mr2tony - 2012-12-18 11:00 PM
TriRSquared - 2012-12-18 11:55 AM

When I watch women doing yoga I have lots of impure thoughts.  So I guess that's anti-religious.

(Sorry if the joke's already been made in the previous 4 pages)

Have you tried hot yoga?

All yoga is hot...

2012-12-19 7:44 AM
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TriRSquared - 2012-12-19 7:33 AM

All yoga is hot...

Dudes doing yoga, not hot.

 

 

2012-12-19 7:44 AM
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Goosedog - 2012-12-19 9:44 PM
TriRSquared - 2012-12-19 7:33 AM

All yoga is hot...

Dudes doing yoga, not hot.

 

 

Beg. to. differ.

2012-12-19 7:45 AM
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TriAya - 2012-12-19 8:44 AM

Beg. to. differ.

Peer reviewed studies?

 

 



2012-12-19 7:52 AM
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powerman - 2012-12-18 9:10 PM

crusevegas - 2012-12-17 6:45 PM
tuwood - 2012-12-17 1:49 PM

You guys are actually surprising me on this one.  I thought most of you were for separation of church and state no matter what the religion.  But it seems to be more of a separation of Christianity and state with no issues whatsoever in teaching an exercise class rooted in Hinduism beliefs.

How is practicing Yoga and teaching the aspects of Hinduism to kids not a violation of that separation?

If I have a Jesus Jacks class and while the kids are doing their Jesus Jacks they recite how hey can have inner peace through a relationship with Jesus I suspect you'd have issues with that.

Now, all that being said I have no problem at all with them teaching Yoga and I also have no problem with the church being involved with kids and schools.  I'm a big proponent on kids needing more faith in their lives, no matter what form it comes in.  But, I'm one of those whack job religious types so please disregard my opinion. 

You bring up a good point I hadn't thought of before. I find running to be spiritualistic, probably others do too and I guess to some degree religious. I think with that in mind we should forbid kids to run in school or any school activities. This should make track, football and basketball interesting. I think one benefit would be a more level playing field for everyone.

Spirituality and religion have nothing to do with each other.



well, they do have some intersecting elements.
2012-12-19 7:56 AM
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Goosedog - 2012-12-19 8:44 AM
TriRSquared - 2012-12-19 7:33 AM

All yoga is hot...

Dudes doing yoga, not hot.

Dudes do yoga?  Hm, never noticed... I must be preoccupied.



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Goosedog - 2012-12-19 9:45 PM
TriAya - 2012-12-19 8:44 AM

Beg. to. differ.

Peer reviewed studies?

 

 

As a practicing yogini who has both carefully reviewed and studied the subjects ... YES.

2012-12-19 1:21 PM
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TriAya - Yoga is an interesting case because it's become, and some of its forms have been adapted as, a generic physical activity. The same is true for some traditional martial arts. In both cases I can still appreciate that some parents would have objections because of the religious nature and history of these activities, and I think their children should be allowed to sit quietly on the sidelines in those cases.

I appreciate your sane reasoning.

Knuckle dragger that I am, I don't want my children doing yoga precisely because of its contribution to religious formation. 

Last year my youngest was a 1st grader at a small private secular school.  The teacher started doing yoga with the kids mid-morning.  I requested that my son not participate.  The teacher and principal honored my request and made accomodations.  

I want my children to be formed to be open to following Christ, not formed to open their chakras, open pathways of energy channels, or opened to worshiping Hindu gods.

If you want that for yourself or your children, go right ahead.

Over the years, I've know more than a few Christian women who have gradually over the years moved away from Christ and towards new age spirituality and religious practices.  They practiced and continue to practice yoga.  Correlation without causality?  I leave it to you to discern.

If any Christian asked my opinion about whether or not they ought to practice yoga, I'd say that they ought not.  If you want to stretch and listen to relaxing music, go for it.  If you're being pulled toward a practice with an eastern religious foundation, something else might be at play.

For Christians who might be practicing yoga and wondering about its effect on their spiritual formation, I'll offer this link to Women of Grace that contains a number of articles on the subject.

I don't have a downward dog in this fight, and don't want to debate it. Just adding my two cents.

I took care of my kid in our situation. Please stand up for parental rights, especially around issues of religious liberty. 



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crowny2 - 2012-12-18 9:24 AM
crusevegas - 2012-12-17 7:45 PM
tuwood - 2012-12-17 1:49 PM

You guys are actually surprising me on this one.  I thought most of you were for separation of church and state no matter what the religion.  But it seems to be more of a separation of Christianity and state with no issues whatsoever in teaching an exercise class rooted in Hinduism beliefs.

How is practicing Yoga and teaching the aspects of Hinduism to kids not a violation of that separation?

If I have a Jesus Jacks class and while the kids are doing their Jesus Jacks they recite how hey can have inner peace through a relationship with Jesus I suspect you'd have issues with that.

Now, all that being said I have no problem at all with them teaching Yoga and I also have no problem with the church being involved with kids and schools.  I'm a big proponent on kids needing more faith in their lives, no matter what form it comes in.  But, I'm one of those whack job religious types so please disregard my opinion. 

You bring up a good point I hadn't thought of before. I find running to be spiritualistic, probably others do too and I guess to some degree religious. I think with that in mind we should forbid kids to run in school or any school activities. This should make track, football and basketball interesting. I think one benefit would be a more level playing field for everyone.

But to some, football is a religion.  So that should be banned too.

Now them's fightin' words!



2012-12-19 2:28 PM
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dontracy - 2012-12-19 1:21 PM

If any Christian asked my opinion about whether or not they ought to practice yoga, I'd say that they ought not.  If you want to stretch and listen to relaxing music, go for it.  If you're being pulled toward a practice with an eastern religious foundation, something else might be at play.

For Christians who might be practicing yoga and wondering about its effect on their spiritual formation, I'll offer this link to Women of Grace that contains a number of articles on the subject.

I clicked on that link and could only read a few sentences without rolling my eyes. The part about how christians shouldn't do certain stretches that are also done in yoga was just too much. There's a point when you have to realize it's just stretching a hamstring (or IT Band, or whatever). Nothing more.

If it were called "group stretching" but did the exact same thing (because that's all it is, stretching and breathing through the stretches), would I then as a christian be allowed to go? Undecided

I'm all about parents being able to opt out of stuff-- but did you attend the yoga taught in your son's school so see exactly what it was, or did you jump to a conclusion?

2012-12-19 2:33 PM
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lisac957 - I clicked on that link and could only read a few sentences without rolling my eyes. The part about how christians shouldn't do certain stretches that are also done in yoga was just too much. There's a point when you have to realize it's just stretching a hamstring (or IT Band, or whatever).Nothing more.

If it were called "group stretching" but did the exact same thing (because that's all it is, stretching and breathing through the stretches), would I then as a christian be allowed to go? Undecided

I'm all about parents being able to opt out of stuff-- but did you attend the yoga taught in your son's school so see exactly what it was, or did you jump to a conclusion?

Jump to what kind of conclusion?

If they wanted to stretch with the kids, that would be fine with me.
Yoga is called yoga for a reason.

I understand that there are all flavors of it on a spectrum of religious seriousness to frivolity.
I don't want my son doing any of it.

Why not just call it stretching? 

2012-12-19 2:34 PM
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dontracy - 2012-12-19 2:33 PM
lisac957 - I clicked on that link and could only read a few sentences without rolling my eyes. The part about how christians shouldn't do certain stretches that are also done in yoga was just too much. There's a point when you have to realize it's just stretching a hamstring (or IT Band, or whatever).Nothing more.

If it were called "group stretching" but did the exact same thing (because that's all it is, stretching and breathing through the stretches), would I then as a christian be allowed to go? Undecided

I'm all about parents being able to opt out of stuff-- but did you attend the yoga taught in your son's school so see exactly what it was, or did you jump to a conclusion?

Jump to what kind of conclusion?

If they wanted to stretch with the kids, that would be fine with me.
Yoga is called yoga for a reason.

I understand that there are all flavors of it on a spectrum of religious seriousness to frivolity.
I don't want my son doing any of it.

Why not just call it stretching? 

I don't know, did you ask them?

2012-12-19 2:35 PM
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lisac957 - 2012-12-19 3:28 PM

The part about how christians shouldn't do certain stretches that are also done in yoga was just too much.

The devil works in mysterious ways.

 

 

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