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 2012-11-08 3:47 PM in reply to: #4490490 |
Champion  15211   Southern Chicago Suburbs, IL |  Subject: RE: Question for Obama voters....TriRSquared - 2012-11-08 3:46 PM ChineseDemocracy - 2012-11-08 4:30 PM TriRSquared - 2012-11-08 3:58 PM Aarondb4 - 2012-11-08 3:49 PM momo - 2012-11-08 1:46 PM Aarondb4 - 2012-11-08 3:20 PM Thats a big generalization.. I voted for him because he was a better option than McCain/Palin. Its would have been 4 more years of the 8 years prior. The Black vote didn't get him into office. More Blacks voted YES.. many misguided YES.. not all my friend.
I personally don't think that CoJ is an accurate representation of who voted for Obama and why. Lets think about some different demographics that went to Obama. (This is from CBS not me so don't jump on the racist bandwagon). 1. Blacks. Just as in 2008 they voted for their guy. Agreed, my post was full of generalization. Of course there are exceptions and not everyone fits the mold. I believe CBS showed high 80s% of blacks voted for Obama. I was just trying to make the point that Romney was not likely to get the majority of the black vote. In 2012 he got 93% of the black vote which was 13% of the electorate. There were about 120,000,00 voters. 13% of that is 15.6 million votes. 93% of that is 14.5 million votes. So Obama got 14.5 million votes from blacks. Romney lost the popular vote by about 3 million votes.* To ignore race as a partial reason he was elected (either time) is shortsighted. * (I understand you cannot decide a race based only on popular votes but it's a pretty strong indicator. Clinton got 83% and 84% of the black vote.) That's a pretty good example of how numbers can be very misleading. This was discussed ad nauseum after the '08 election. The source I used at the time reported 91% and 93% of blacks voting for Gore and/or Kerry (I forgot which was which, but you get the picture) About 9 out of 10 blacks will vote for the Democratic candidate whether he's black, white, magenta, or polka dot. Yes, turnout is likely higher in '08/'12 because it was pretty historic seeing a black man for the 1st time getting this kind of opportunity, but if you look closely at the #'s, you'll find blacks historically have low voter turnout. Barack Obama's presence in the race bumped blacks up to a point where their % of the electorate actually matched their % of the population, 13%. I'm pretty certain that never happened before '08/'12. The GOP had a bad name in the black community...and it got WORSE since the '90's...much worse. To imply that President Obama's strength among black voters had a big enough difference to sway the 2012 presidential election is just not true. btw, to Scoobysdad...the same way you think "the war on women" is a fabricated construct...well, it's quite similar to how many view "the attack on religion" nonsense (in my opinion of course) lobbed out there by the Right. We can politely agree to disagree. Yes they had higher turnout. The point is that there is a reason they had higher turnout. Race. The last democrat elected (Clinton) had a 83-84% turnout. Obama has 93%. What explains this jump? Why did blacks not turn out to vote (in proportion to their population) until a black man runs for President? Also explain to me why the GOP has "a bad name with blacks"? Did you not see the 91 and 93 for Gore/Kerry that he quoted? |
| 2012-11-08 3:49 PM in reply to: #4490488 |
| Subject: RE: Question for Obama voters.... Kido - 2012-11-08 1:45 PM crusevegas - 2012-11-08 1:43 PM Kido - 2012-11-08 1:34 PM crusevegas - 2012-11-08 1:31 PM Saw a guy in the gym the other day with an MDot tat and said congrats which IM did you do,,,,, he said Boulder. ah Ok Hey Jim, whatdaya say? We need to get out and race. I didn't do much this year... And I didn't say BOULDER, I said IM Poughkeepsie... JimBo, The only thing Tri wise I have on my calendar is Rage so far, I want to do another 70.3 but haven't decided on one yet, any suggestions? Those HITS races look interesting. After IMAZ, I'm going to look at all of 2013 with a different approach. Local, short, and fun. Good luck and have fun at IMAZ!! |
with the 140.6 you did by my house you got more street cred than any of them WTC IM easy course ones. 
| 2012-11-08 3:52 PM in reply to: #4490460 |
| Subject: RE: Question for Obama voters.... mrbbrad - 2012-11-08 1:35 PM Kido - 2012-11-08 4:34 PM crusevegas - 2012-11-08 1:31 PM Saw a guy in the gym the other day with an MDot tat and said congrats which IM did you do,,,,, he said Boulder. ah Ok Hey Jim, whatdaya say? We need to get out and race. I didn't do much this year... And I didn't say BOULDER, I said IM Poughkeepsie... Oh, not that Hawaii thing then. Hmmm.
Hmmmm,,,,,,,, lets see I did the WTC 70.3 in HI twice so I guess I could claim I did 140.6 Hawaii,,, no? |
| 2012-11-08 3:53 PM in reply to: #4490495 |
Champion 7347  SRQ, FL | Subject: RE: Question for Obama voters.... crowny2 - 2012-11-08 4:47 PM TriRSquared - 2012-11-08 3:46 PM ChineseDemocracy - 2012-11-08 4:30 PM TriRSquared - 2012-11-08 3:58 PM Aarondb4 - 2012-11-08 3:49 PM momo - 2012-11-08 1:46 PM Aarondb4 - 2012-11-08 3:20 PM Thats a big generalization.. I voted for him because he was a better option than McCain/Palin. Its would have been 4 more years of the 8 years prior. The Black vote didn't get him into office. More Blacks voted YES.. many misguided YES.. not all my friend.
I personally don't think that CoJ is an accurate representation of who voted for Obama and why. Lets think about some different demographics that went to Obama. (This is from CBS not me so don't jump on the racist bandwagon). 1. Blacks. Just as in 2008 they voted for their guy. Agreed, my post was full of generalization. Of course there are exceptions and not everyone fits the mold. I believe CBS showed high 80s% of blacks voted for Obama. I was just trying to make the point that Romney was not likely to get the majority of the black vote. In 2012 he got 93% of the black vote which was 13% of the electorate. There were about 120,000,00 voters. 13% of that is 15.6 million votes. 93% of that is 14.5 million votes. So Obama got 14.5 million votes from blacks. Romney lost the popular vote by about 3 million votes.* To ignore race as a partial reason he was elected (either time) is shortsighted. * (I understand you cannot decide a race based only on popular votes but it's a pretty strong indicator. Clinton got 83% and 84% of the black vote.) That's a pretty good example of how numbers can be very misleading. This was discussed ad nauseum after the '08 election. The source I used at the time reported 91% and 93% of blacks voting for Gore and/or Kerry (I forgot which was which, but you get the picture) About 9 out of 10 blacks will vote for the Democratic candidate whether he's black, white, magenta, or polka dot. Yes, turnout is likely higher in '08/'12 because it was pretty historic seeing a black man for the 1st time getting this kind of opportunity, but if you look closely at the #'s, you'll find blacks historically have low voter turnout. Barack Obama's presence in the race bumped blacks up to a point where their % of the electorate actually matched their % of the population, 13%. I'm pretty certain that never happened before '08/'12. The GOP had a bad name in the black community...and it got WORSE since the '90's...much worse. To imply that President Obama's strength among black voters had a big enough difference to sway the 2012 presidential election is just not true. btw, to Scoobysdad...the same way you think "the war on women" is a fabricated construct...well, it's quite similar to how many view "the attack on religion" nonsense (in my opinion of course) lobbed out there by the Right. We can politely agree to disagree. Yes they had higher turnout. The point is that there is a reason they had higher turnout. Race. The last democrat elected (Clinton) had a 83-84% turnout. Obama has 93%. What explains this jump? Why did blacks not turn out to vote (in proportion to their population) until a black man runs for President? Also explain to me why the GOP has "a bad name with blacks"? Did you not see the 91 and 93 for Gore/Kerry that he quoted? I was mixing my stats, sorry. Yes I did see those. Yes they got about the same % of the black vote. The #s of black votes where much higher in 2008 and 2012 however. My question remains, what caused this increase in voters. (Apologies for mixing up my percentages) Edited by TriRSquared 2012-11-08 3:54 PM |
| 2012-11-08 3:53 PM in reply to: #4490352 |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Question for Obama voters.... TriRSquared - 2012-11-08 2:58 PM Aarondb4 - 2012-11-08 3:49 PM momo - 2012-11-08 1:46 PM Aarondb4 - 2012-11-08 3:20 PM Thats a big generalization.. I voted for him because he was a better option than McCain/Palin. Its would have been 4 more years of the 8 years prior. The Black vote didn't get him into office. More Blacks voted YES.. many misguided YES.. not all my friend.
I personally don't think that CoJ is an accurate representation of who voted for Obama and why. Lets think about some different demographics that went to Obama. (This is from CBS not me so don't jump on the racist bandwagon). 1. Blacks. Just as in 2008 they voted for their guy. Agreed, my post was full of generalization. Of course there are exceptions and not everyone fits the mold. I believe CBS showed high 80s% of blacks voted for Obama. I was just trying to make the point that Romney was not likely to get the majority of the black vote. In 2012 he got 93% of the black vote which was 13% of the electorate. There were about 120,000,00 voters. 13% of that is 15.6 million votes. 93% of that is 14.5 million votes. So Obama got 14.5 million votes from blacks. Romney lost the popular vote by about 3 million votes.* To ignore race as a partial reason he was elected (either time) is shortsighted. * (I understand you cannot decide a race based only on popular votes but it's a pretty strong indicator. Clinton got 83% and 84% of the black vote.) I do think that there was a mentality among the Romney campaign that, "we're not going to get any support from these people, so we're not even going to try." Not only was that a mistake because, I think it is possible to get Latinos to vote GOP (many of them are devout Catholics and strongly pro-life), but it helped to paint Romney as a guy who was only interested in a certain segment of the population and didn't give a damn about the others. |
| 2012-11-08 3:55 PM in reply to: #4490438 |
Champion 6056 Menomonee Falls, WI | Subject: RE: Question for Obama voters.... ChineseDemocracy - 2012-11-08 3:30 PM btw, to Scoobysdad...the same way you think "the war on women" is a fabricated construct...well, it's quite similar to how many view "the attack on religion" nonsense (in my opinion of course) lobbed out there by the Right. I think Cardinal Dolan and the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops would disagree. And they're neither Republicans nor "the Right". Edited by scoobysdad 2012-11-08 3:56 PM |
| 2012-11-08 4:02 PM in reply to: #4490515 |
Elite 4547 | Subject: RE: Question for Obama voters.... scoobysdad - 2012-11-08 4:55 PM ChineseDemocracy - 2012-11-08 3:30 PM I think Cardinal Dolan and the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops would disagree. And they're neither Republicans nor "the Right". btw, to Scoobysdad...the same way you think "the war on women" is a fabricated construct...well, it's quite similar to how many view "the attack on religion" nonsense (in my opinion of course) lobbed out there by the Right. Well, one would think if there was some grand "attack on religion" from the Democratic side, we wouldn't have seen American Catholics preferring Obama 50-48, right? A majority of Catholics voted for Barack Obama. I don't think I need to post the stats on just how far apart the views of Catholic leadership and Catholic voters is. (it's a pretty darn wide gulf) |
| 2012-11-08 4:03 PM in reply to: #4490291 |
Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: Question for Obama voters.... TriRSquared - 2012-11-08 2:37 PM mr2tony - 2012-11-08 2:59 PM TriR, that your point about giving stimulus money to the banks, and their hoarding it, is proof that in this economic climate, companies will not expand. If you give tax breaks to the wealthy and the companies, what proof is there that they won't do the same thing the banks did and sit on it? What proof is there that they'll actually expand? Hunh? A banks business is to have money and make interest off of it. If you give a bank a lot of money they are done. That's their job. You did it for them. Manufacturers and service providers have to produce goods or services to expand. If you give them money they are going to use it to make more money. Any company who will take a tax break and keep 100% of it to go into their pocket is a short sided business that would not grow even in a good climate. Your analogy really isn't accurate. A banks business is to have money and make interest off of it. If you give a bank a lot of money they are done. That's their job. You did it for them. Um. Do you know how banks make interest off of their money? |
| 2012-11-08 4:07 PM in reply to: #4490490 |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Question for Obama voters.... TriRSquared - 2012-11-08 3:46 PM ChineseDemocracy - 2012-11-08 4:30 PM TriRSquared - 2012-11-08 3:58 PM Aarondb4 - 2012-11-08 3:49 PM momo - 2012-11-08 1:46 PM Aarondb4 - 2012-11-08 3:20 PM Thats a big generalization.. I voted for him because he was a better option than McCain/Palin. Its would have been 4 more years of the 8 years prior. The Black vote didn't get him into office. More Blacks voted YES.. many misguided YES.. not all my friend.
I personally don't think that CoJ is an accurate representation of who voted for Obama and why. Lets think about some different demographics that went to Obama. (This is from CBS not me so don't jump on the racist bandwagon). 1. Blacks. Just as in 2008 they voted for their guy. Agreed, my post was full of generalization. Of course there are exceptions and not everyone fits the mold. I believe CBS showed high 80s% of blacks voted for Obama. I was just trying to make the point that Romney was not likely to get the majority of the black vote. In 2012 he got 93% of the black vote which was 13% of the electorate. There were about 120,000,00 voters. 13% of that is 15.6 million votes. 93% of that is 14.5 million votes. So Obama got 14.5 million votes from blacks. Romney lost the popular vote by about 3 million votes.* To ignore race as a partial reason he was elected (either time) is shortsighted. * (I understand you cannot decide a race based only on popular votes but it's a pretty strong indicator. Clinton got 83% and 84% of the black vote.) That's a pretty good example of how numbers can be very misleading. This was discussed ad nauseum after the '08 election. The source I used at the time reported 91% and 93% of blacks voting for Gore and/or Kerry (I forgot which was which, but you get the picture) About 9 out of 10 blacks will vote for the Democratic candidate whether he's black, white, magenta, or polka dot. Yes, turnout is likely higher in '08/'12 because it was pretty historic seeing a black man for the 1st time getting this kind of opportunity, but if you look closely at the #'s, you'll find blacks historically have low voter turnout. Barack Obama's presence in the race bumped blacks up to a point where their % of the electorate actually matched their % of the population, 13%. I'm pretty certain that never happened before '08/'12. The GOP had a bad name in the black community...and it got WORSE since the '90's...much worse. To imply that President Obama's strength among black voters had a big enough difference to sway the 2012 presidential election is just not true. btw, to Scoobysdad...the same way you think "the war on women" is a fabricated construct...well, it's quite similar to how many view "the attack on religion" nonsense (in my opinion of course) lobbed out there by the Right. We can politely agree to disagree. Yes they had higher turnout. The point is that there is a reason they had higher turnout. Race. The last democrat elected (Clinton) had a 83-84% turnout. Obama has 93%. What explains this jump? Why did blacks not turn out to vote (in proportion to their population) until a black man runs for President? I'm not saying it was enough to sway the result. I'm saying it is a big number, possibly enough to make it closer. Also explain to me why the GOP has "a bad name with blacks"? There was an article...somewhere a few weeks ago, that talked about how a lot of blacks feel especially defensive about the president because of what they perceive to be unprecidentedly bad treatment of him by the GOP. From Joe Wilson (the Senator who shouted "You lie!" from his seat) to the birthers, a lot of blacks feel like Obama was subjected to a level of systematic disresepct from the GOP that no white president was every forced to endure. I thnk that's helped to galvanize them agains the GOP even more than they were already. |
| 2012-11-08 4:27 PM in reply to: #4490512 |
Master 2802 Minnetonka, Minnesota | Subject: RE: Question for Obama voters.... TriRSquared - 2012-11-08 3:53 PM crowny2 - 2012-11-08 4:47 PM TriRSquared - 2012-11-08 3:46 PM ChineseDemocracy - 2012-11-08 4:30 PM TriRSquared - 2012-11-08 3:58 PM Aarondb4 - 2012-11-08 3:49 PM momo - 2012-11-08 1:46 PM Aarondb4 - 2012-11-08 3:20 PM Thats a big generalization.. I voted for him because he was a better option than McCain/Palin. Its would have been 4 more years of the 8 years prior. The Black vote didn't get him into office. More Blacks voted YES.. many misguided YES.. not all my friend.
I personally don't think that CoJ is an accurate representation of who voted for Obama and why. Lets think about some different demographics that went to Obama. (This is from CBS not me so don't jump on the racist bandwagon). 1. Blacks. Just as in 2008 they voted for their guy. Agreed, my post was full of generalization. Of course there are exceptions and not everyone fits the mold. I believe CBS showed high 80s% of blacks voted for Obama. I was just trying to make the point that Romney was not likely to get the majority of the black vote. In 2012 he got 93% of the black vote which was 13% of the electorate. There were about 120,000,00 voters. 13% of that is 15.6 million votes. 93% of that is 14.5 million votes. So Obama got 14.5 million votes from blacks. Romney lost the popular vote by about 3 million votes.* To ignore race as a partial reason he was elected (either time) is shortsighted. * (I understand you cannot decide a race based only on popular votes but it's a pretty strong indicator. Clinton got 83% and 84% of the black vote.) That's a pretty good example of how numbers can be very misleading. This was discussed ad nauseum after the '08 election. The source I used at the time reported 91% and 93% of blacks voting for Gore and/or Kerry (I forgot which was which, but you get the picture) About 9 out of 10 blacks will vote for the Democratic candidate whether he's black, white, magenta, or polka dot. Yes, turnout is likely higher in '08/'12 because it was pretty historic seeing a black man for the 1st time getting this kind of opportunity, but if you look closely at the #'s, you'll find blacks historically have low voter turnout. Barack Obama's presence in the race bumped blacks up to a point where their % of the electorate actually matched their % of the population, 13%. I'm pretty certain that never happened before '08/'12. The GOP had a bad name in the black community...and it got WORSE since the '90's...much worse. To imply that President Obama's strength among black voters had a big enough difference to sway the 2012 presidential election is just not true. btw, to Scoobysdad...the same way you think "the war on women" is a fabricated construct...well, it's quite similar to how many view "the attack on religion" nonsense (in my opinion of course) lobbed out there by the Right. We can politely agree to disagree. Yes they had higher turnout. The point is that there is a reason they had higher turnout. Race. The last democrat elected (Clinton) had a 83-84% turnout. Obama has 93%. What explains this jump? Why did blacks not turn out to vote (in proportion to their population) until a black man runs for President? Also explain to me why the GOP has "a bad name with blacks"? Did you not see the 91 and 93 for Gore/Kerry that he quoted? I was mixing my stats, sorry. Yes I did see those. Yes they got about the same % of the black vote. The #s of black votes where much higher in 2008 and 2012 however. My question remains, what caused this increase in voters. (Apologies for mixing up my percentages) One reason: Obama's team had an excellent get-out-the-vote effort coupled with a very strong ground game led by sophisticated and very target marketing. Winning strategy in a fairly close election. |
| 2012-11-08 4:33 PM in reply to: #4490538 |
Sensei Sin City | Subject: RE: Question for Obama voters.... mr2tony - 2012-11-08 2:03 PM Um. Do you know how banks make interest off of their money? Interest Gnomes? |
| 2012-11-08 4:42 PM in reply to: #4490272 |
Extreme Veteran 487 Spokane, WA | Subject: RE: Question for Obama voters.... Samyg - 2012-11-08 12:30 PM This thread is stupid. People are actually using logic, facts, and educated guesses to drive the discussion of a political question, and doing it in a civilized manner. Where are the insults? The name calling? The demanding of the long form birth tax returns for the last 100 years? We have to be careful, we might give the government the idea that people with different perspectives and ideologies can actually work together to solve a problem. And that is just crazy talk...some black helicopters are circling above me for some reason... That's funny right there! |
| 2012-11-08 4:48 PM in reply to: #4490100 |
Extreme Veteran 502 Tucson | Subject: RE: Question for Obama voters.... trinnas - 2012-11-08 11:26 AM BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-11-08 2:24 PM soretaint - 2012-11-08 2:21 PM BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-11-08 11:18 AM trinnas - 2012-11-08 2:12 PM Tripolar - 2012-11-08 2:07 PM trinnas - 2012-11-08 11:05 AM Wait, don't men and women both have taints? /confuzzled ejshowers - 2012-11-08 2:03 PM trinnas - 2012-11-08 12:58 PM ejshowers - 2012-11-08 1:56 PM TriRSquared - 2012-11-08 12:45 PM I'm beginning to understand why he was reelected... (this is not a statement of agreement) I am surprsied you voted for Obama! (see thread title....) Really? Aren't you one I have seen posting in Qusetion for Women threads?? eta: forgot the
Thanks for the edit. Plus, I grew up with 4 older sisters, so that makes me qualified to post in those threads! I grew up with 3 brothers, does that mean I get to post in About My Taint Little Fireman and His Satchels threads???? =)
Usually you guys are more refferring to your manhood goods from what I can tell.
Is that better?
Damn, the way this thread has gone, you'd have thought we'd voted for Clinton. You probably did.... Actually it wasn't until midway through Bush II's second term that I even thought about leaving the Republican party. Come to the independent side. I will make you cake!
Bush II forced me to go independent, I just couldn't take it anymore. |
| 2012-11-08 4:54 PM in reply to: #4490549 |
Expert 1310 Alabama | Subject: RE: Question for Obama voters.... jmk-brooklyn - 2012-11-08 4:07 PM TriRSquared - 2012-11-08 3:46 PM There was an article...somewhere a few weeks ago, that talked about how a lot of blacks feel especially defensive about the president because of what they perceive to be unprecidentedly bad treatment of him by the GOP. From Joe Wilson (the Senator who shouted "You lie!" from his seat) to the birthers, a lot of blacks feel like Obama was subjected to a level of systematic disresepct from the GOP that no white president was every forced to endure. I thnk that's helped to galvanize them agains the GOP even more than they were already. ChineseDemocracy - 2012-11-08 4:30 PM TriRSquared - 2012-11-08 3:58 PM Aarondb4 - 2012-11-08 3:49 PM momo - 2012-11-08 1:46 PM Aarondb4 - 2012-11-08 3:20 PM Thats a big generalization.. I voted for him because he was a better option than McCain/Palin. Its would have been 4 more years of the 8 years prior. The Black vote didn't get him into office. More Blacks voted YES.. many misguided YES.. not all my friend.
I personally don't think that CoJ is an accurate representation of who voted for Obama and why. Lets think about some different demographics that went to Obama. (This is from CBS not me so don't jump on the racist bandwagon). 1. Blacks. Just as in 2008 they voted for their guy. Agreed, my post was full of generalization. Of course there are exceptions and not everyone fits the mold. I believe CBS showed high 80s% of blacks voted for Obama. I was just trying to make the point that Romney was not likely to get the majority of the black vote. In 2012 he got 93% of the black vote which was 13% of the electorate. There were about 120,000,00 voters. 13% of that is 15.6 million votes. 93% of that is 14.5 million votes. So Obama got 14.5 million votes from blacks. Romney lost the popular vote by about 3 million votes.* To ignore race as a partial reason he was elected (either time) is shortsighted. * (I understand you cannot decide a race based only on popular votes but it's a pretty strong indicator. Clinton got 83% and 84% of the black vote.) That's a pretty good example of how numbers can be very misleading. This was discussed ad nauseum after the '08 election. The source I used at the time reported 91% and 93% of blacks voting for Gore and/or Kerry (I forgot which was which, but you get the picture) About 9 out of 10 blacks will vote for the Democratic candidate whether he's black, white, magenta, or polka dot. Yes, turnout is likely higher in '08/'12 because it was pretty historic seeing a black man for the 1st time getting this kind of opportunity, but if you look closely at the #'s, you'll find blacks historically have low voter turnout. Barack Obama's presence in the race bumped blacks up to a point where their % of the electorate actually matched their % of the population, 13%. I'm pretty certain that never happened before '08/'12. The GOP had a bad name in the black community...and it got WORSE since the '90's...much worse. To imply that President Obama's strength among black voters had a big enough difference to sway the 2012 presidential election is just not true. btw, to Scoobysdad...the same way you think "the war on women" is a fabricated construct...well, it's quite similar to how many view "the attack on religion" nonsense (in my opinion of course) lobbed out there by the Right. We can politely agree to disagree. Yes they had higher turnout. The point is that there is a reason they had higher turnout. Race. The last democrat elected (Clinton) had a 83-84% turnout. Obama has 93%. What explains this jump? Why did blacks not turn out to vote (in proportion to their population) until a black man runs for President? I'm not saying it was enough to sway the result. I'm saying it is a big number, possibly enough to make it closer. Also explain to me why the GOP has "a bad name with blacks"? I believe Clinton and Bush would respectively disagree. I don't doubt the rhetoric may be a bit worse, but I don't believe it has anything to do with race. The only item noted above that may be seen as any form of disrespect, would be the "You Lie" comment. I doubt that was racially motivated. If anything, President Obama has been treated with more kid gloves than any president in recent memory, especially from the media. Yes, he has taken some heat from his political opponents for the bail out, ACA, Libya and Fast and Furious. And the birthers are just a bit overboard and seen as a bit crazy. I don't think this is anywhere near the issues that Clinton or Bush had during their presidencies. Of course, perception is reality. |
| 2012-11-08 5:47 PM in reply to: #4490538 |
Champion 7347 SRQ, FL | Subject: RE: Question for Obama voters.... mr2tony - 2012-11-08 5:03 PM TriRSquared - 2012-11-08 2:37 PM mr2tony - 2012-11-08 2:59 PM TriR, that your point about giving stimulus money to the banks, and their hoarding it, is proof that in this economic climate, companies will not expand. If you give tax breaks to the wealthy and the companies, what proof is there that they won't do the same thing the banks did and sit on it? What proof is there that they'll actually expand? Hunh? A banks business is to have money and make interest off of it. If you give a bank a lot of money they are done. That's their job. You did it for them. Manufacturers and service providers have to produce goods or services to expand. If you give them money they are going to use it to make more money. Any company who will take a tax break and keep 100% of it to go into their pocket is a short sided business that would not grow even in a good climate. Your analogy really isn't accurate. A banks business is to have money and make interest off of it. If you give a bank a lot of money they are done. That's their job. You did it for them. Um. Do you know how banks make interest off of their money? Yes Tony. They also make money by investing. |
| 2012-11-08 5:51 PM in reply to: #4490650 |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Question for Obama voters.... pilotzs - 2012-11-08 4:54 PM I believe Clinton and Bush would respectively disagree. I don't doubt the rhetoric may be a bit worse, but I don't believe it has anything to do with race. The only item noted above that may be seen as any form of disrespect, would be the "You Lie" comment. I doubt that was racially motivated. If anything, President Obama has been treated with more kid gloves than any president in recent memory, especially from the media. Yes, he has taken some heat from his political opponents for the bail out, ACA, Libya and Fast and Furious. And the birthers are just a bit overboard and seen as a bit crazy. I don't think this is anywhere near the issues that Clinton or Bush had during their presidencies. Of course, perception is reality. I think that as our political process becomes more and more polarized with each passing election, each new president will break the previous one's record for "president who was shown the least respect by the opposing party." Edited by jmk-brooklyn 2012-11-08 5:52 PM |
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