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2012-09-19 9:00 AM
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BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-09-19 9:18 AM

Mitt's new press photo does not portray him that favorably


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2012-09-19 9:03 AM
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TriRSquared - 2012-09-19 7:34 AM

As for insensitive what do you call the Obamas' multiple overseas vacations while people are struggling to make ends meet?  One hotel was $3500 a night...

I'm just guessing here, but I would think when you're the President - ANY President, and you go on vacation...  The Secret Service pretty much takes up the entire floor/wing for security purposes.  There's a massive entourage of security, Secret Service, administrative staff, etc. that has to come along as well.  I would be shocked that it's only $3,500 per night.  They practically had the entire city of Charlotte here locked down during the DNC when the President got here.

 

2012-09-19 9:08 AM
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2012-09-19 9:21 AM
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powerman - 2012-09-18 11:14 PM
jmk-brooklyn - 2012-09-18 6:48 PM
Bcozican - 2012-09-18 6:24 PM

Yep - nothing connects with the struggling folks like taking multiple exotic vacations and playing over 100 rounds of golf, partying with celebrities etc while sympathizing with their plight...

Neither candidate walks in the shoes of these people - its lip service from both sides.

Probably true, but the difference is that Obama's not a gazillionaire that some have suggested is a little disconnected from the middle class.

He traveled the world, went to college, started organizing communities... became a Senator.... made his first million off a book... didn't work one honest day in the Senate. Campaigned for two years, now is President. When he retires he will have full pension for the rest of his life. He will go to the speaker circuit, make a $100,000 dollars or more for a one hour talk, sell a few more books, do some interviews and never worry about another penny for the rest of his life. He will enjoy the benefits of his Office of around the clock security and health care for his entire family  that is head and shoulders above anything me and you will ever have access to.

What exactly does Obama have in common with the common working men and women of the middle calss??? HE IS a 1%er!!!

?  Really?  You think so?

2012-09-19 9:21 AM
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crowny2 - 2012-09-19 10:21 AM

Really? 

Enough!

 

2012-09-19 9:24 AM
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Subject: RE: Mitt Romney Video
BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-09-19 8:18 AM

Mitt's new press photo does not portray him that favorably




So would Ryan be No. 2? Or Mini Me?


2012-09-19 9:24 AM
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Goosedog - 2012-09-19 9:21 AM
crowny2 - 2012-09-19 10:21 AM

Really? 

Enough!

 

Really!!!! Laughing



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2012-09-19 9:29 AM
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crowny2 - 2012-09-19 10:24 AM
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crowny2 - 2012-09-19 10:21 AM

Really? 

Enough!

 

Really!!!! Laughing

You think so?

2012-09-19 9:41 AM
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crowny2 - 2012-09-19 10:24 AM
Goosedog - 2012-09-19 9:21 AM
crowny2 - 2012-09-19 10:21 AM

Really? 

Enough!

 

Really!!!! Laughing

You think so?



ENOUGH!
2012-09-19 9:42 AM
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mr2tony - 2012-09-19 10:41 AM
mrbbrad - 2012-09-19 9:29 AM
crowny2 - 2012-09-19 10:24 AM
Goosedog - 2012-09-19 9:21 AM
crowny2 - 2012-09-19 10:21 AM

Really? 

Enough!

 

Really!!!! Laughing

You think so?

ENOUGH!

I should have gone with all caps to start.

 

2012-09-19 9:44 AM
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Goosedog - 2012-09-19 9:42 AM
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crowny2 - 2012-09-19 10:24 AM
Goosedog - 2012-09-19 9:21 AM
crowny2 - 2012-09-19 10:21 AM

Really? 

Enough!

 

Really!!!! Laughing

You think so?

ENOUGH!

I should have gone with all caps to start.

 

Really.



2012-09-19 10:16 AM
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Bigfuzzydoug - 2012-09-19 10:03 AM
TriRSquared - 2012-09-19 7:34 AM

As for insensitive what do you call the Obamas' multiple overseas vacations while people are struggling to make ends meet?  One hotel was $3500 a night...

I'm just guessing here, but I would think when you're the President - ANY President, and you go on vacation...  The Secret Service pretty much takes up the entire floor/wing for security purposes.  There's a massive entourage of security, Secret Service, administrative staff, etc. that has to come along as well.  I would be shocked that it's only $3,500 per night.  They practically had the entire city of Charlotte here locked down during the DNC when the President got here.

Possibly.  But he pays for that out of his pocket.  So he chooses to spend the money.  How is this different than Mitt making the $10k bet?  The point is both of these guys are filthy rich.

2012-09-19 10:20 AM
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AcesFull - 2012-09-19 10:08 AM

 

I don't see a difference.  Yes, my tax dollars pay for these things, and at a far higher rate than many, including Mr. Romney (I'd love to pay only 13% of my income in taxes).  Sure my tax dollars fund these things, but if not for a government to collect those taxes and use them for those things, we would not have them.

Now, we certainly can quibble over how much each person should pay, or what the money should be spent on, but to suggest that you or anyone else isn't prosperous in part because of what the govt provided for you (if nothing but a safe environment in which to run your business) is just plain nonsense.  

You and anyone else who built a business or was successful in life generally worked hard to get there (Mr. Romney and myself included) couldn't have done so without hard work AND an atmosphere that allowed them to succeed, which in my case included my father's salary as an Economist for the govt, the schools I attended, the police who kept my home and business safe, the military who protected my country, etc., etc., etc...

Just to clarify, he doesn't pay 13% on his income.  13% is a blended rate between his income tax rate and his capital gains (plus deductions).  Romney likely pays the top % in the income category. You could do the same if you were willing to invest in the markets.

As for the rest, we can agree to disagree



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2012-09-19 10:27 AM
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TriRSquared - 2012-09-19 10:20 AM
AcesFull - 2012-09-19 10:08 AM

 

I don't see a difference.  Yes, my tax dollars pay for these things, and at a far higher rate than many, including Mr. Romney (I'd love to pay only 13% of my income in taxes).  Sure my tax dollars fund these things, but if not for a government to collect those taxes and use them for those things, we would not have them.

Now, we certainly can quibble over how much each person should pay, or what the money should be spent on, but to suggest that you or anyone else isn't prosperous in part because of what the govt provided for you (if nothing but a safe environment in which to run your business) is just plain nonsense.  

You and anyone else who built a business or was successful in life generally worked hard to get there (Mr. Romney and myself included) couldn't have done so without hard work AND an atmosphere that allowed them to succeed, which in my case included my father's salary as an Economist for the govt, the schools I attended, the police who kept my home and business safe, the military who protected my country, etc., etc., etc...

Just to clarify, he doesn't pay 13% on his income.  13% is a blended rate between his income tax rate and his capital gains (plus deductions).  Romney likely pays the top % in the income category. You could do the same if you were willing to invest in the markets.

As for the rest, we can agree to disagree

Not according to the video of the debate last year where he asked for clarification from Newt Gingrich on getting rid of Capital Gains taxes and then went on to say "Then I would have paid no taxes for the last two years.." 

http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/01/romney-i-wouldnt-pay-taxes-under-newt-plan-111988.html

So to me that means that he likely pays little to NO income tax.

2012-09-19 11:09 AM
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crowny2 - 2012-09-19 9:27 AM
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AcesFull - 2012-09-19 10:08 AM

 

I don't see a difference.  Yes, my tax dollars pay for these things, and at a far higher rate than many, including Mr. Romney (I'd love to pay only 13% of my income in taxes).  Sure my tax dollars fund these things, but if not for a government to collect those taxes and use them for those things, we would not have them.

Now, we certainly can quibble over how much each person should pay, or what the money should be spent on, but to suggest that you or anyone else isn't prosperous in part because of what the govt provided for you (if nothing but a safe environment in which to run your business) is just plain nonsense.  

You and anyone else who built a business or was successful in life generally worked hard to get there (Mr. Romney and myself included) couldn't have done so without hard work AND an atmosphere that allowed them to succeed, which in my case included my father's salary as an Economist for the govt, the schools I attended, the police who kept my home and business safe, the military who protected my country, etc., etc., etc...

Just to clarify, he doesn't pay 13% on his income.  13% is a blended rate between his income tax rate and his capital gains (plus deductions).  Romney likely pays the top % in the income category. You could do the same if you were willing to invest in the markets.

As for the rest, we can agree to disagree

Not according to the video of the debate last year where he asked for clarification from Newt Gingrich on getting rid of Capital Gains taxes and then went on to say "Then I would have paid no taxes for the last two years.." 

http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/01/romney-i-wouldnt-pay-taxes-under-newt-plan-111988.html

So to me that means that he likely pays little to NO income tax.

 

Wouldn't that make him part of the 47% who pay no income tax?



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2012-09-19 11:11 AM
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JoshR - 2012-09-19 11:09 AM
crowny2 - 2012-09-19 9:27 AM
TriRSquared - 2012-09-19 10:20 AM
AcesFull - 2012-09-19 10:08 AM

 

I don't see a difference.  Yes, my tax dollars pay for these things, and at a far higher rate than many, including Mr. Romney (I'd love to pay only 13% of my income in taxes).  Sure my tax dollars fund these things, but if not for a government to collect those taxes and use them for those things, we would not have them.

Now, we certainly can quibble over how much each person should pay, or what the money should be spent on, but to suggest that you or anyone else isn't prosperous in part because of what the govt provided for you (if nothing but a safe environment in which to run your business) is just plain nonsense.  

You and anyone else who built a business or was successful in life generally worked hard to get there (Mr. Romney and myself included) couldn't have done so without hard work AND an atmosphere that allowed them to succeed, which in my case included my father's salary as an Economist for the govt, the schools I attended, the police who kept my home and business safe, the military who protected my country, etc., etc., etc...

Just to clarify, he doesn't pay 13% on his income.  13% is a blended rate between his income tax rate and his capital gains (plus deductions).  Romney likely pays the top % in the income category. You could do the same if you were willing to invest in the markets.

As for the rest, we can agree to disagree

Not according to the video of the debate last year where he asked for clarification from Newt Gingrich on getting rid of Capital Gains taxes and then went on to say "Then I would have paid no taxes for the last two years.." 

http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/01/romney-i-wouldnt-pay-taxes-under-newt-plan-111988.html

So to me that means that he likely pays little to NO income tax.

 

Wouldn't that make him part of the 47% who pay no income tax?

lol



2012-09-19 11:19 AM
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tuwood - 2012-09-19 10:11 AM
JoshR - 2012-09-19 11:09 AM
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TriRSquared - 2012-09-19 10:20 AM
AcesFull - 2012-09-19 10:08 AM

 

I don't see a difference.  Yes, my tax dollars pay for these things, and at a far higher rate than many, including Mr. Romney (I'd love to pay only 13% of my income in taxes).  Sure my tax dollars fund these things, but if not for a government to collect those taxes and use them for those things, we would not have them.

Now, we certainly can quibble over how much each person should pay, or what the money should be spent on, but to suggest that you or anyone else isn't prosperous in part because of what the govt provided for you (if nothing but a safe environment in which to run your business) is just plain nonsense.  

You and anyone else who built a business or was successful in life generally worked hard to get there (Mr. Romney and myself included) couldn't have done so without hard work AND an atmosphere that allowed them to succeed, which in my case included my father's salary as an Economist for the govt, the schools I attended, the police who kept my home and business safe, the military who protected my country, etc., etc., etc...

Just to clarify, he doesn't pay 13% on his income.  13% is a blended rate between his income tax rate and his capital gains (plus deductions).  Romney likely pays the top % in the income category. You could do the same if you were willing to invest in the markets.

As for the rest, we can agree to disagree

Not according to the video of the debate last year where he asked for clarification from Newt Gingrich on getting rid of Capital Gains taxes and then went on to say "Then I would have paid no taxes for the last two years.." 

http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/01/romney-i-wouldnt-pay-taxes-under-newt-plan-111988.html

So to me that means that he likely pays little to NO income tax.

 

Wouldn't that make him part of the 47% who pay no income tax?

lol

 

This is why his statement was so ignorant. If he truly did pay no income tax because all of his income was capital gains, then he is just showing he doesn't know what he is talking about. 

Vote Gary Johnson.

2012-09-19 11:26 AM
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crowny2 - 2012-09-19 11:27 AM
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I don't see a difference.  Yes, my tax dollars pay for these things, and at a far higher rate than many, including Mr. Romney (I'd love to pay only 13% of my income in taxes).  Sure my tax dollars fund these things, but if not for a government to collect those taxes and use them for those things, we would not have them.

Now, we certainly can quibble over how much each person should pay, or what the money should be spent on, but to suggest that you or anyone else isn't prosperous in part because of what the govt provided for you (if nothing but a safe environment in which to run your business) is just plain nonsense.  

You and anyone else who built a business or was successful in life generally worked hard to get there (Mr. Romney and myself included) couldn't have done so without hard work AND an atmosphere that allowed them to succeed, which in my case included my father's salary as an Economist for the govt, the schools I attended, the police who kept my home and business safe, the military who protected my country, etc., etc., etc...

Just to clarify, he doesn't pay 13% on his income.  13% is a blended rate between his income tax rate and his capital gains (plus deductions).  Romney likely pays the top % in the income category. You could do the same if you were willing to invest in the markets.

As for the rest, we can agree to disagree

Not according to the video of the debate last year where he asked for clarification from Newt Gingrich on getting rid of Capital Gains taxes and then went on to say "Then I would have paid no taxes for the last two years.." 

http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/01/romney-i-wouldnt-pay-taxes-under-newt-plan-111988.html

So to me that means that he likely pays little to NO income tax.

His 2010 tax return lists:

  • Income: $21,661,344
  • Capital Gains Income: $12,573,249
  • Dividend Income: $3,327,678
  • Adjusted Gross Income: $21,646,507
  • Itemized Deductions: $4,519,140
  • Charitable Donations: $2,983,974
  • Taxes Paid: $3,009,766
  • Effective Tax Rate: 13.9%

The estimated 2011 return:

  • Income: $20,908,880
  • Capital Gains Income: $10,700,179
  • Dividend Income: $1,905,753
  • Adjusted Gross Income: $20,901,075
  • Itemized Deductions: $5,688,179
  • Charitable Donations: $4,020,572
  • Taxes Paid: $3,226,623
  • Effective Tax Rate: 15.4%

I believe his "I'd pay no taxes" comment was a bit of an exaggeration to refute Newt due to the difference between his GG and income levels.

I would not call $3million, "no income tax"

 

 And Josh is right... Vote Gary Johnson...



Edited by TriRSquared 2012-09-19 11:27 AM
2012-09-19 11:31 AM
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TriRSquared - 2012-09-19 10:26 AM
crowny2 - 2012-09-19 11:27 AM
TriRSquared - 2012-09-19 10:20 AM
AcesFull - 2012-09-19 10:08 AM

 

I don't see a difference.  Yes, my tax dollars pay for these things, and at a far higher rate than many, including Mr. Romney (I'd love to pay only 13% of my income in taxes).  Sure my tax dollars fund these things, but if not for a government to collect those taxes and use them for those things, we would not have them.

Now, we certainly can quibble over how much each person should pay, or what the money should be spent on, but to suggest that you or anyone else isn't prosperous in part because of what the govt provided for you (if nothing but a safe environment in which to run your business) is just plain nonsense.  

You and anyone else who built a business or was successful in life generally worked hard to get there (Mr. Romney and myself included) couldn't have done so without hard work AND an atmosphere that allowed them to succeed, which in my case included my father's salary as an Economist for the govt, the schools I attended, the police who kept my home and business safe, the military who protected my country, etc., etc., etc...

Just to clarify, he doesn't pay 13% on his income.  13% is a blended rate between his income tax rate and his capital gains (plus deductions).  Romney likely pays the top % in the income category. You could do the same if you were willing to invest in the markets.

As for the rest, we can agree to disagree

Not according to the video of the debate last year where he asked for clarification from Newt Gingrich on getting rid of Capital Gains taxes and then went on to say "Then I would have paid no taxes for the last two years.." 

http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/01/romney-i-wouldnt-pay-taxes-under-newt-plan-111988.html

So to me that means that he likely pays little to NO income tax.

His 2010 tax return lists:

  • Income: $21,661,344
  • Capital Gains Income: $12,573,249
  • Dividend Income: $3,327,678
  • Adjusted Gross Income: $21,646,507
  • Itemized Deductions: $4,519,140
  • Charitable Donations: $2,983,974
  • Taxes Paid: $3,009,766
  • Effective Tax Rate: 13.9%

The estimated 2011 return:

  • Income: $20,908,880
  • Capital Gains Income: $10,700,179
  • Dividend Income: $1,905,753
  • Adjusted Gross Income: $20,901,075
  • Itemized Deductions: $5,688,179
  • Charitable Donations: $4,020,572
  • Taxes Paid: $3,226,623
  • Effective Tax Rate: 15.4%

I believe his "I'd pay no taxes" comment was a bit of an exaggeration to refute Newt due to the difference between his GG and income levels.

I would not call $3million, "no income tax"

 

 And Josh is right... Vote Gary Johnson...

 

Thanks for the info. My point still stands though that if someone was earning capital gains only, they are part of the 47% who he is lumping together. Which is why the topic of 47% pay no income tax is much more complex than they are loafers.

2012-09-19 11:40 AM
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TriRSquared - 2012-09-19 6:34 AM

jmk-brooklyn - 2012-09-18 7:04 PM It has nothing to do with his net worth--it has everything to do with at least acting like you give a damn about people who have less than you have. When you're auditioning to lead a country that's in the midst of a recession and people are out if work and are in danger of losing their homes, it strikes me as incredibly insensitive to casually wave around ten grand as if you just scraped it off your shoe. That three or four months' salary to a lot of people.

Look, he chose he words poorly, no doubt.  However when he refers to the 47% he's talking about the percentage of voters that he's never going to reach.  When he says "it's not my job to care about them" he means it's not his job as a candidate to try to sway them.  He needs to focus on the swing votes in the middle.

Does it still "sound" bad?  I guess.  But it's not the meaning that the media is trying to portray it as.

 

As for insensitive what do you call the Obamas' multiple overseas vacations while people are struggling to make ends meet?  One hotel was $3500 a night...



I understood what he meant. I even agree with him to a point. But, again, people dont begrudge Obama his wealth because he doesnt have trouble relating to people with less means than he has. Romney clearly does. It's very easy for opponents of Romney to portray hm as an out of touch rich guy who was born on third and thinks he hit a triple and doesn't relate to the middle class. When he casually bets more money than most peoples car is worth or says things that make it sound like he's only going to govern on behalf of people in a certain income bracket, he's not helping his cause. Say what you will about Obama, he would never be stupid enough to casually bet ten grand in the middle of a recession. Romney doesn't even understand what he did wrong, which is part of his problem.
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JoshR - 2012-09-19 12:31 PM
TriRSquared - 2012-09-19 10:26 AM
crowny2 - 2012-09-19 11:27 AM
TriRSquared - 2012-09-19 10:20 AM
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I don't see a difference.  Yes, my tax dollars pay for these things, and at a far higher rate than many, including Mr. Romney (I'd love to pay only 13% of my income in taxes).  Sure my tax dollars fund these things, but if not for a government to collect those taxes and use them for those things, we would not have them.

Now, we certainly can quibble over how much each person should pay, or what the money should be spent on, but to suggest that you or anyone else isn't prosperous in part because of what the govt provided for you (if nothing but a safe environment in which to run your business) is just plain nonsense.  

You and anyone else who built a business or was successful in life generally worked hard to get there (Mr. Romney and myself included) couldn't have done so without hard work AND an atmosphere that allowed them to succeed, which in my case included my father's salary as an Economist for the govt, the schools I attended, the police who kept my home and business safe, the military who protected my country, etc., etc., etc...

Just to clarify, he doesn't pay 13% on his income.  13% is a blended rate between his income tax rate and his capital gains (plus deductions).  Romney likely pays the top % in the income category. You could do the same if you were willing to invest in the markets.

As for the rest, we can agree to disagree

Not according to the video of the debate last year where he asked for clarification from Newt Gingrich on getting rid of Capital Gains taxes and then went on to say "Then I would have paid no taxes for the last two years.." 

http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/01/romney-i-wouldnt-pay-taxes-under-newt-plan-111988.html

So to me that means that he likely pays little to NO income tax.

His 2010 tax return lists:

  • Income: $21,661,344
  • Capital Gains Income: $12,573,249
  • Dividend Income: $3,327,678
  • Adjusted Gross Income: $21,646,507
  • Itemized Deductions: $4,519,140
  • Charitable Donations: $2,983,974
  • Taxes Paid: $3,009,766
  • Effective Tax Rate: 13.9%

The estimated 2011 return:

  • Income: $20,908,880
  • Capital Gains Income: $10,700,179
  • Dividend Income: $1,905,753
  • Adjusted Gross Income: $20,901,075
  • Itemized Deductions: $5,688,179
  • Charitable Donations: $4,020,572
  • Taxes Paid: $3,226,623
  • Effective Tax Rate: 15.4%

I believe his "I'd pay no taxes" comment was a bit of an exaggeration to refute Newt due to the difference between his GG and income levels.

I would not call $3million, "no income tax"

 

 And Josh is right... Vote Gary Johnson...

 

Thanks for the info. My point still stands though that if someone was earning capital gains only, they are part of the 47% who he is lumping together. Which is why the topic of 47% pay no income tax is much more complex than they are loafers.

How so?  Capital gains tax is still income tax it is just taxed at a lower rate than employment income.




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TriRSquared - 2012-09-19 10:20 AM
AcesFull - 2012-09-19 10:08 AM

 

I don't see a difference.  Yes, my tax dollars pay for these things, and at a far higher rate than many, including Mr. Romney (I'd love to pay only 13% of my income in taxes).  Sure my tax dollars fund these things, but if not for a government to collect those taxes and use them for those things, we would not have them.

Now, we certainly can quibble over how much each person should pay, or what the money should be spent on, but to suggest that you or anyone else isn't prosperous in part because of what the govt provided for you (if nothing but a safe environment in which to run your business) is just plain nonsense.  

You and anyone else who built a business or was successful in life generally worked hard to get there (Mr. Romney and myself included) couldn't have done so without hard work AND an atmosphere that allowed them to succeed, which in my case included my father's salary as an Economist for the govt, the schools I attended, the police who kept my home and business safe, the military who protected my country, etc., etc., etc...

Just to clarify, he doesn't pay 13% on his income.  13% is a blended rate between his income tax rate and his capital gains (plus deductions).  Romney likely pays the top % in the income category. You could do the same if you were willing to invest in the markets.

As for the rest, we can agree to disagree

I am quite willing to invest in the markets, but my money is all tied up in children.

So you don't have a smart phone with a data plan, you don't have Sunday NFL ticket or something comparable, you don't have some or all the premium channels in HD? You don't have....?

What you need are food, clothes, housing/utilities and transportation for yourself and your kids the rest is about choice and priorities.  You can either spend your money or you can make it work for you... Your choice.

2012-09-20 11:26 AM
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crowny2 - 2012-09-18 12:00 PM
crowny2 - 2012-09-18 1:22 PM
TriRSquared - 2012-09-18 12:32 PM
crowny2 - 2012-09-18 1:15 PM

And if this map can be believed, (http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/09/02/red-states-are-the-real-welfare-states/) the red states are the ones with the most welfare.

Yes, it is a "liberal" blog site.  No I have not done research to see if it is true or not.  If someone can offer up an alternative site that states the opposite go for it.

D 1. New Mexico: $2.63
R 2. West Virginia: $2.57
R 3. Mississippi: $2.47
D 4. District of Colombia: $2.41
D 5. Hawaii: $2.38
R 6. Alabama: $2.03
R 7. Alaska: $1.93
R 8. Montana: $1.92
R 9. South Carolina: $1.92
D 10. Maine: $1.78

Doesn't look wildly skewed to me.  Would love to see all 50 states.  Besides that article is calling them red or blue based on one election.  Not sure we can gather much from this.

Agreed.  I could have sworn I saw, at one point, one that actually did show all 50, but for the life of me I can't find the durn thing.  I swear my googling skills have gone the way of the dodo bird this week.  I was hunting for a very specific scientific paper yesterday as a reference for a project and I could not find it.  Still can't.  I know I've seen it.  Hell, I remember reading it.  AND see it presented.  But can't find it.  Even though I had found it about 1-2 months ago.

 

Anyway, yeah, I know it is one graph and based on one election.  But I honestly remember seeing something breaking down ALL 50 and how they traditionally leaned. 


Now, back to your regularly scheduled debate. 

So there is this.  Again, another left leaning blog, but pulls info from the non-partisan Tax Foundation.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/09/17/fact-checked-romneys-47-of-non-taxpaying-americans-from-red-states/

 

There are are so many flaws in this graph. Even if you can get past the fact that 1/3 to 1/2 of people in any given state are not a member of the party that one the state, the data is still skewed.

There are more tax payers with zero tax liabilities in Massachussets, the 49th state in that ranking, than in Mississippi, the 1st state. California and New York probably total most of the 10 top 10 combined.It isn't as simple as a pretty map wsith some colors.

It reminds me of one of my favorite quotes:

"Statistics are like a bikini. What they show are nice but what they hide is crucial."

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