Question for gun owners (Page 4)

wartho - 2012-11-12 1:55 AM

BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-11-11 5:21 PM So should I get a shotgun or no? Am I going to wind up on some slippery slope where I end up with an Apache helicopter?? I mean, I did one sprint tri and a year later own two Cervelos

My advice to you is - buy another Cervelo.  It's much more beautiful anyway 

Sorry, I'm already at n+1. And I agree, they are beautiful. Although a P5 would look nice too...

crusevegas - 2012-11-11 9:34 PM

BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-11-11 5:21 PM So should I get a shotgun or no? Am I going to wind up on some slippery slope where I end up with an Apache helicopter?? I mean, I did one sprint tri and a year later own two Cervelos

A Ruger 10/22 is a good rifle for just some inexpensive target shooting.

What are you wanting a gun for? I like the Apache though, that Gatlin can clear a room pretty quick.

I have toyed with the idea of going bird hunting for a long time, and I used to really enjoy skeet shooting. I think others have discussed in the past the effectiveness of a shotgun for home protection, although that isn't so much of a concern.

I'm not going to add to the discussion on owning or not owning an assault weapon.  But I will say this for those who would make the argument, "why would you pay money for something to keep in your house that you would pray you never had to use it for it's intended purpose?  Something that just sits in a safe 99% of the time."

... The same argument can be said for insurance.  Most of us pay money every month or year for insurance on our house, cars, health and life.  In fact, a LOT of money.  And we hope we never have to use it.  But we pay for it in case the day ever comes that we need it, it's there.  The same could be said for a firearm.  At least with that you can occaisonally have some FUN putting holes in paper, splatter some zombie pictures, or smashing clay pigeons.

Oh, and for the record; I own a Magnum Research (IMA) Baby Eagle .40, Mossberg 12-gauge, and most recently, a Smith & Wesson M&P .40.  Spent about $1,500 for all three.  But in the past 15 years I've paid about $160,000 for house, car, health, and life insurance.  Although I will add; None of the firearms has ever saved my life, but the health insurance did cover 97% of the cancer treatment costs, about $135,000 which DID save my life.

Oh and one last thing...  There is a bit of a "fun factor" to fully automatic toys.  Don't believe me?  Try not to smile when watching this:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC8jnSaCqxY

BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-11-12 4:33 AM

crusevegas - 2012-11-11 9:34 PM

BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-11-11 5:21 PM So should I get a shotgun or no? Am I going to wind up on some slippery slope where I end up with an Apache helicopter?? I mean, I did one sprint tri and a year later own two Cervelos

A Ruger 10/22 is a good rifle for just some inexpensive target shooting.

What are you wanting a gun for? I like the Apache though, that Gatlin can clear a room pretty quick.

I have toyed with the idea of going bird hunting for a long time, and I used to really enjoy skeet shooting. I think others have discussed in the past the effectiveness of a shotgun for home protection, although that isn't so much of a concern.

A shotgun is a good versitle firearm. Remington 870 is a good choice. One of the disadvantages of a shotgun for home defense is it's difficult to use a flashlight and/or a phone at the same time. As you said it's a secondary reason so a shotgun makes perfect sense.

 Mini gun, sunny day, Kari in a frilly dress and cowboy boots; I'm smiling!

crusevegas - 2012-11-12 8:28 AM

BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-11-12 4:33 AM

crusevegas - 2012-11-11 9:34 PM

BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-11-11 5:21 PM So should I get a shotgun or no? Am I going to wind up on some slippery slope where I end up with an Apache helicopter?? I mean, I did one sprint tri and a year later own two Cervelos

A Ruger 10/22 is a good rifle for just some inexpensive target shooting.

What are you wanting a gun for? I like the Apache though, that Gatlin can clear a room pretty quick.

I have toyed with the idea of going bird hunting for a long time, and I used to really enjoy skeet shooting. I think others have discussed in the past the effectiveness of a shotgun for home protection, although that isn't so much of a concern.

A shotgun is a good versitle firearm. Remington 870 is a good choice. One of the disadvantages of a shotgun for home defense is it's difficult to use a flashlight and/or a phone at the same time. As you said it's a secondary reason so a shotgun makes perfect sense.

Silly, that's why you mount a light to your shotgun. 
Also, with a semi auto shotgun I can use it one handed just like a handgun.

Here's mine (Mossberg 930SPX Blackwater Edition)

tuwood - 2012-11-12 7:10 AM

crusevegas - 2012-11-12 8:28 AM

BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-11-12 4:33 AM

crusevegas - 2012-11-11 9:34 PM

BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-11-11 5:21 PM So should I get a shotgun or no? Am I going to wind up on some slippery slope where I end up with an Apache helicopter?? I mean, I did one sprint tri and a year later own two Cervelos

A Ruger 10/22 is a good rifle for just some inexpensive target shooting.

What are you wanting a gun for? I like the Apache though, that Gatlin can clear a room pretty quick.

I have toyed with the idea of going bird hunting for a long time, and I used to really enjoy skeet shooting. I think others have discussed in the past the effectiveness of a shotgun for home protection, although that isn't so much of a concern.

A shotgun is a good versitle firearm. Remington 870 is a good choice. One of the disadvantages of a shotgun for home defense is it's difficult to use a flashlight and/or a phone at the same time. As you said it's a secondary reason so a shotgun makes perfect sense.

Silly, that's why you mount a light to your shotgun. 
Also, with a semi auto shotgun I can use it one handed just like a handgun.

Here's mine (Mossberg 930SPX Blackwater Edition)

Nice looking gun.

When you are clearing a room do you use the flashlight to check the kids bed?

crusevegas - 2012-11-12 9:49 AM

tuwood - 2012-11-12 7:10 AM

crusevegas - 2012-11-12 8:28 AM

BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-11-12 4:33 AM

crusevegas - 2012-11-11 9:34 PM

BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-11-11 5:21 PM So should I get a shotgun or no? Am I going to wind up on some slippery slope where I end up with an Apache helicopter?? I mean, I did one sprint tri and a year later own two Cervelos

A Ruger 10/22 is a good rifle for just some inexpensive target shooting.

What are you wanting a gun for? I like the Apache though, that Gatlin can clear a room pretty quick.

I have toyed with the idea of going bird hunting for a long time, and I used to really enjoy skeet shooting. I think others have discussed in the past the effectiveness of a shotgun for home protection, although that isn't so much of a concern.

A shotgun is a good versitle firearm. Remington 870 is a good choice. One of the disadvantages of a shotgun for home defense is it's difficult to use a flashlight and/or a phone at the same time. As you said it's a secondary reason so a shotgun makes perfect sense.

Silly, that's why you mount a light to your shotgun. 
Also, with a semi auto shotgun I can use it one handed just like a handgun.

Here's mine (Mossberg 930SPX Blackwater Edition)

Nice looking gun.

When you are clearing a room do you use the flashlight to check the kids bed?

This may surprise you, but yes I do.  The light is so bright and has great peripheral brightness that I carry it pointed at the ground and it lights up a room like no tomorrow.

If there's truly a threat I can strobe the bad guy directly and that alone will pretty much blind them for a good 30 seconds to a minute.  I had a lot of training in my Navy days about using deceptive lighting to clear a building.  it's amazing what you can do with a well timed light strobe.

Just remembered I had a video on my phone of my oldest shooting my shotgun.  uploaded it here:  http://youtu.be/_SanH6IJ2x8
This was before I installed the light.

tuwood - 2012-11-12 10:10 AM

crusevegas - 2012-11-12 8:28 AM

BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-11-12 4:33 AM

crusevegas - 2012-11-11 9:34 PM

BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-11-11 5:21 PM So should I get a shotgun or no? Am I going to wind up on some slippery slope where I end up with an Apache helicopter?? I mean, I did one sprint tri and a year later own two Cervelos

A Ruger 10/22 is a good rifle for just some inexpensive target shooting.

What are you wanting a gun for? I like the Apache though, that Gatlin can clear a room pretty quick.

I have toyed with the idea of going bird hunting for a long time, and I used to really enjoy skeet shooting. I think others have discussed in the past the effectiveness of a shotgun for home protection, although that isn't so much of a concern.

A shotgun is a good versitle firearm. Remington 870 is a good choice. One of the disadvantages of a shotgun for home defense is it's difficult to use a flashlight and/or a phone at the same time. As you said it's a secondary reason so a shotgun makes perfect sense.

Silly, that's why you mount a light to your shotgun. 
Also, with a semi auto shotgun I can use it one handed just like a handgun.

Here's mine (Mossberg 930SPX Blackwater Edition)

 

Man, you have this completely figured out. I came here as a newbie triathlete and left able to swim, bike, run, and shoot

BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-11-12 12:58 PM

tuwood - 2012-11-12 10:10 AM

crusevegas - 2012-11-12 8:28 AM

BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-11-12 4:33 AM

crusevegas - 2012-11-11 9:34 PM

BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-11-11 5:21 PM So should I get a shotgun or no? Am I going to wind up on some slippery slope where I end up with an Apache helicopter?? I mean, I did one sprint tri and a year later own two Cervelos

A Ruger 10/22 is a good rifle for just some inexpensive target shooting.

What are you wanting a gun for? I like the Apache though, that Gatlin can clear a room pretty quick.

I have toyed with the idea of going bird hunting for a long time, and I used to really enjoy skeet shooting. I think others have discussed in the past the effectiveness of a shotgun for home protection, although that isn't so much of a concern.

A shotgun is a good versitle firearm. Remington 870 is a good choice. One of the disadvantages of a shotgun for home defense is it's difficult to use a flashlight and/or a phone at the same time. As you said it's a secondary reason so a shotgun makes perfect sense.

Silly, that's why you mount a light to your shotgun. 
Also, with a semi auto shotgun I can use it one handed just like a handgun.

Here's mine (Mossberg 930SPX Blackwater Edition)

 

Man, you have this completely figured out. I came here as a newbie triathlete and left able to swim, bike, run, and shoot

With as much as we spend on our Tri gear it should be mandatory that you're able to defend your stuff. 

I will just add that what bothered me about the last election cycle was the discussion of "assault" rifles during the 2nd debate. I don't remember word for word but the synopsis was something like this.

The question stemmed from the shooting in Colorado this year. Essentially, both candidates answered by saying we needed stricter rules and maybe even a ban on "assualt rifles" like the one used in Colorado. The gun used in Colorado was a semi-automatic AR15. I don't think I weapon should be classified as assault unless it has the ability to function in burst or full auto mode. AR15s can't do that without illegal modification. 

So I was bothered by the classification first of all, then I was bothered that no one corrected the classification, then I was bothered that both candidates were interested in banning AR15s. 

They were banned once, I can see them being banned again, so I can see why someone would buy one now. Besides the fact that guns and ammo get more expensive after an election, it was difficult to get any ammo at all after 2008. 

I hate this term also but it stems from the national "Assault Weapons” ban that listed AR's so now everyone calls them assault rifles.

LindaKC - 2012-11-12 9:21 AM

bootygirl - 2012-11-11 9:47 AM My husband buys guns mostly for the fascination with the mechanics and history of them. He has many WWII and Koean war rifles, most of which he obtained as projects, and he has restored them into workers of beauty. He can tell you the difference between them, where they were used and who used them. You can't watch a movie with him without a critique of the weaponry and the appropriateness of it for the period. That some are semi automatic is just part of their workings. He shoots them all regularly.

This is the same exact reason my husband bought his "assault" rifles. His are WWII era - he is fascinated with both the history and mechanical workings. We don't shoot them regularly, though. Ammo is just too expensive and we don't hunt. But we do have fun with the fully-auto airsoft in the backyard.

Just a point of clarification, what he owns are probably "main battle rifles".  They fire full sized ammo - 7.62mm/308 or bigger.  Assault rifles fire smaller cartridges - 5.56/.223 or similar.  The only American "assault rifle" pre-M16 was the M1 Carbine.  There were some German assault rifles though (the Treaty of Versailles, which we celebrated over the weekend, forbade main battle rifles in Germany).  And the AK-47 is technically WWII-era, 47 is close to the end of the war.  And it fires a shorter 7.62x39 (the Mosin Nagant MBR it replaced fired 7.62x54 with almost double the powder)

The only thing that makes it an assault rifle in military terms is select fire.

It's a translation of a German term used to describe their weapons used to (lit) storm a position - Sturmwegehr.

Intermediate cartridge (bigger than pistol, smaller than MBR)

Detachable mag (not belt fed)

Selective fire

Shoulder fire-able

300m range

That's because the U.S. Supreme Court answered that portion of the 2nd Amendment in the 30's, and also the anti-gun, pro-gun control section that urges that the "well regulated militia" portion of the Amendment is the controlling lenaguage miss the fact that the U.S. Supreme Court has rejected this analysis almost universally.  So you may think that clause of the 2nd Amnedment means you can own a bazooka but it has never been interpreted by any courts to so mean.  It's simply not the law, and therefore a red herring.

No they put limitations on the rights.  Just like they did with the "fire-in-a-crowded-theater" analogy with the 1A.