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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() jldicarlo - 2013-03-15 1:44 PM Tom's a good guy and deeply rooted in his faith. He shouldn't have to pay for any of his employees contraception, and apparently now won't have to. I agree. I currently do not pay for health insurance (obviously...military). But when I do, I don't want higher premiums because the companies are forced to cover BC and thus must raise the cost for everyone so they can afford to cover BC. It would be much fairer if the people that wanted BC covered could just pay higher premiums... And you don't see how that's discrimination against women? When women must pay higher premiums than men for no other reason than they have the ability to get pregnant, then that is the very definition of discrimination. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() trinnas - 2013-03-15 12:54 PM Which are more than offset by the much bigger savings of not having to cover unwanted pregnancies. So maybe it really is free.drewb8 - 2013-03-15 2:53 PM trinnas - 2013-03-15 12:51 PM True. I guess it would be the insurance company shareholders since the company would be taking a loss on the BC by offering it for 'free'.drewb8 - 2013-03-15 2:47 PM jldicarlo - 2013-03-15 12:44 PM Actually in general, insurance companies wantto provide free birth control. For them its far cheaper to pay a few bucks for BC than to have an unwanted pregnancy which is hugely more expensive to them, so free BC should actually result in lower premiums.Tom's a good guy and deeply rooted in his faith. He shouldn't have to pay for any of his employees contraception, and apparently now won't have to. I agree. I currently do not pay for health insurance (obviously...military). But when I do, I don't want higher premiums because the companies are forced to cover BC and thus must raise the cost for everyone so they can afford to cover BC. It would be much fairer if the people that wanted BC covered could just pay higher premiums... There is no such thing as free! Somebody is paying, the question is who. Really??? Ya think?? I bet not! I bet it results in higher premiums for all. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() mr2tony - 2013-03-15 1:57 PM jldicarlo - 2013-03-15 1:44 PM Tom's a good guy and deeply rooted in his faith. He shouldn't have to pay for any of his employees contraception, and apparently now won't have to. I agree. I currently do not pay for health insurance (obviously...military). But when I do, I don't want higher premiums because the companies are forced to cover BC and thus must raise the cost for everyone so they can afford to cover BC. It would be much fairer if the people that wanted BC covered could just pay higher premiums... And you don't see how that's discrimination against women? When women must pay higher premiums than men for no other reason than they have the ability to get pregnant, then that is the very definition of discrimination. CHOICES!!! Smokers pay higher premiums. Obese people can pay higher premiums. They're not saying "you're a woman pay me more"......they would be saying "if this is your choice you will have to pay more" |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() trinnas - 2013-03-15 1:46 PM Yes I know I take it for that reason when I need it. Trust me I cannot get pregnant so BC is not an issue! Again there are other meds that are not covered under your insurance why is this one sacrsanct? It's not sacrosanct, but within the issue of a CEO not wanting the insurance to provide it, it's adding cost onto his female employees that the male workers don't have to worry about. Within the framework of forcing or allowing exemptions to employers, it's why I feel they need to be forced. As for all the other reasons that birth control is used, I would hope they got treated like any other medically necessary drug... as our system now works. I'd prefer single payer so you wouldn't have to worry about it. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() trinnas - 2013-03-15 1:54 PM drewb8 - 2013-03-15 2:53 PM trinnas - 2013-03-15 12:51 PM True. I guess it would be the insurance company shareholders since the company would be taking a loss on the BC by offering it for 'free'.drewb8 - 2013-03-15 2:47 PM jldicarlo - 2013-03-15 12:44 PM Actually in general, insurance companies wantto provide free birth control. For them its far cheaper to pay a few bucks for BC than to have an unwanted pregnancy which is hugely more expensive to them, so free BC should actually result in lower premiums.Tom's a good guy and deeply rooted in his faith. He shouldn't have to pay for any of his employees contraception, and apparently now won't have to. I agree. I currently do not pay for health insurance (obviously...military). But when I do, I don't want higher premiums because the companies are forced to cover BC and thus must raise the cost for everyone so they can afford to cover BC. It would be much fairer if the people that wanted BC covered could just pay higher premiums... There is no such thing as free! Somebody is paying, the question is who. Really??? Ya think?? I bet not! I bet it results in higher premiums for all. You're being very short-sighted. If you're an insurance company and you provide birth control to someone, you're lowering future payments associated with birth control. THAT is what Drew is saying. |
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![]() | ![]() mr2tony - 2013-03-15 1:57 PM jldicarlo - 2013-03-15 1:44 PM And you don't see how that's discrimination against women? When women must pay higher premiums than men for no other reason than they have the ability to get pregnant, then that is the very definition of discrimination.Tom's a good guy and deeply rooted in his faith. He shouldn't have to pay for any of his employees contraception, and apparently now won't have to. I agree. I currently do not pay for health insurance (obviously...military). But when I do, I don't want higher premiums because the companies are forced to cover BC and thus must raise the cost for everyone so they can afford to cover BC. It would be much fairer if the people that wanted BC covered could just pay higher premiums... Young male drivers pay higher premiums for auto insurance than young women - is that discrimination? |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() turtlegirl - 2013-03-15 1:38 PM sesh - 2013-03-15 1:37 PM trinnas - 2013-03-15 1:29 PM sesh - 2013-03-15 2:28 PM trinnas - 2013-03-15 1:22 PM sesh - 2013-03-15 2:17 PM DanielG - 2013-03-15 1:04 PM sesh - 2013-03-15 1:54 PM I don't think of it all when considering whether or not contraception should be covered by insurance. If that CEO doesn't want his wife to take birth control, more power to him, but in not allowing for coverage of contraception, he is discriminating against women. Times have changed in that most of us are cool with women having the same work place rights and advantages as men. Covered contraception levels the playing field, if only slightly, because now they don't have to pay for something that men don't. Just because they got the organs that bake the bun doesn't mean they should pay $40/month (what my wife paid before it was covered) so they can have sex with their husbands. You have an incorrect definition of discrimination. He is not forbidding them jobs. He is not forbidding his employees contraceptives. He is following his religious beliefs in that he is not propagating contraceptives. Has nothing to do with arguments for or against "equality". Unless you think a suitable arrangement is to just stop doing the deed if you want to have a career. In my opinion it has everything to do with equality. Why should a woman be forced to pay for something a man doesn't so she can consummate relationships without having to worry about taking time off for a baby? Exactly why is is her sole responsibility? If you want to get busy cough up some dough or wrap your package but it is as much the man's responsibility as the woman's! My present wrapping days ended when I got hitched. Luckily, the state plan now covers birth control, so 95% of the teachers don't have to fork over $480 bucks a year just so they can remain in classroom, or all just plan on having summer babies all the time. And trust me... $480 out of a Mississippi teacher's salary is way more of a percentage than it should be. I do believe you missed the point. Single women would have to pay out of their own pocket if they wanted to have a career and also have some sex. Couples who both work would share the cost (our income does go in the same pot), but they are still paying so they can have sex if the woman wants a career. I just always get the feeling that this gets people so worked up because it means that women are having sex. Maybe even out of wedlock. Maybe with more than one person. That's something working men get to do, not the fairer sex! What if its not for having sex? It can also be a result of a condition. A medical condition. If you are referring to heavy periods...optional...not a necessity. Insurance plans don't often pay for optional stuff (think plastic surgery). I am so opposed to birth control I won't even take it for my ridiculously insane heavy periods. If I can survive anyone can survive. The only reason to use BC is to not get pregnant...and you can accomplish that by not having sex or being smart about when you do. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Hook'em - 2013-03-15 3:00 PM mr2tony - 2013-03-15 1:57 PM jldicarlo - 2013-03-15 1:44 PM And you don't see how that's discrimination against women? When women must pay higher premiums than men for no other reason than they have the ability to get pregnant, then that is the very definition of discrimination.Tom's a good guy and deeply rooted in his faith. He shouldn't have to pay for any of his employees contraception, and apparently now won't have to. I agree. I currently do not pay for health insurance (obviously...military). But when I do, I don't want higher premiums because the companies are forced to cover BC and thus must raise the cost for everyone so they can afford to cover BC. It would be much fairer if the people that wanted BC covered could just pay higher premiums... Young male drivers pay higher premiums for auto insurance than young women - is that discrimination? Ooooh Please say yes, I have a teenage son who is about to start learning to drive... |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() sesh - 2013-03-15 2:52 PM uclamatt2007 - 2013-03-15 1:39 PM Once again... free condoms are available many many places. Outside of the rare latex allergy, is there a reason that women can't use these? Come to Mississippi and we can go on a free condom hunt. I've seen them one place before. The healthplex on campus at Mississippi State and people threw a fit. was it the mcdonald's play place? |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() sesh - 2013-03-15 2:59 PM It's not sacrosanct, but within the issue of a CEO not wanting the insurance to provide it, it's adding cost onto his female employees that the male workers don't have to worry about . . . You keep saying this. Why is BC only the woman's responsibility? You previously said that it is very difficult to get free condoms in MS, so it seems pretty fair to me in terms of your argument the BC pills aren't free. There is a shared responsibility both fiscally or in the preventative manner in not giving it away free. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() mr2tony - 2013-03-15 2:59 PM trinnas - 2013-03-15 1:54 PM You're being very short-sighted. If you're an insurance company and you provide birth control to someone, you're lowering future payments associated with birth control. THAT is what Drew is saying. drewb8 - 2013-03-15 2:53 PM trinnas - 2013-03-15 12:51 PM True. I guess it would be the insurance company shareholders since the company would be taking a loss on the BC by offering it for 'free'.drewb8 - 2013-03-15 2:47 PM jldicarlo - 2013-03-15 12:44 PM Actually in general, insurance companies wantto provide free birth control. For them its far cheaper to pay a few bucks for BC than to have an unwanted pregnancy which is hugely more expensive to them, so free BC should actually result in lower premiums.Tom's a good guy and deeply rooted in his faith. He shouldn't have to pay for any of his employees contraception, and apparently now won't have to. I agree. I currently do not pay for health insurance (obviously...military). But when I do, I don't want higher premiums because the companies are forced to cover BC and thus must raise the cost for everyone so they can afford to cover BC. It would be much fairer if the people that wanted BC covered could just pay higher premiums... There is no such thing as free! Somebody is paying, the question is who. Really??? Ya think?? I bet not! I bet it results in higher premiums for all. I know what he is saying but I would be willing to bet the cost savings is minimal. People already using the pill and paying for it, now they will be using the pill and having the insurance company pay for it. Which population of people do you thnk is bIgger? them or the ones that are not using the pill but will start now? Edited by trinnas 2013-03-15 2:06 PM |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Hook'em - 2013-03-15 12:00 PM mr2tony - 2013-03-15 1:57 PM jldicarlo - 2013-03-15 1:44 PM And you don't see how that's discrimination against women? When women must pay higher premiums than men for no other reason than they have the ability to get pregnant, then that is the very definition of discrimination.Tom's a good guy and deeply rooted in his faith. He shouldn't have to pay for any of his employees contraception, and apparently now won't have to. I agree. I currently do not pay for health insurance (obviously...military). But when I do, I don't want higher premiums because the companies are forced to cover BC and thus must raise the cost for everyone so they can afford to cover BC. It would be much fairer if the people that wanted BC covered could just pay higher premiums... Young male drivers pay higher premiums for auto insurance than young women - is that discrimination? No, no, no. That is because men statistically have a greater rate of accidents so the insurance companies have to pay out more, meaning they need to pay in more. Health insurance is completely different, there is no cost associated with pregnancy that needs to be accounted for by premiums... er... maybe? Edited by uclamatt2007 2013-03-15 2:08 PM |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Its Only Money - 2013-03-15 2:05 PM sesh - 2013-03-15 2:59 PM You keep saying this. Why is BC only the woman's responsibility? You previously said that it is very difficult to get free condoms in MS, so it seems pretty fair to me in terms of your argument the BC pills aren't free. There is a shared responsibility both fiscally or in the preventative manner in not giving it away free. It's not sacrosanct, but within the issue of a CEO not wanting the insurance to provide it, it's adding cost onto his female employees that the male workers don't have to worry about . . . It doesn't matter whether a woman by herself, or a couple is paying. It's still something that must be paid because her place of employment won't allow coverage of something that costs only female employees. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() trinnas - 2013-03-15 3:05 PM mr2tony - 2013-03-15 2:59 PM trinnas - 2013-03-15 1:54 PM You're being very short-sighted. If you're an insurance company and you provide birth control to someone, you're lowering future payments associated with birth control. THAT is what Drew is saying. drewb8 - 2013-03-15 2:53 PM trinnas - 2013-03-15 12:51 PM True. I guess it would be the insurance company shareholders since the company would be taking a loss on the BC by offering it for 'free'.drewb8 - 2013-03-15 2:47 PM jldicarlo - 2013-03-15 12:44 PM Actually in general, insurance companies wantto provide free birth control. For them its far cheaper to pay a few bucks for BC than to have an unwanted pregnancy which is hugely more expensive to them, so free BC should actually result in lower premiums.Tom's a good guy and deeply rooted in his faith. He shouldn't have to pay for any of his employees contraception, and apparently now won't have to. I agree. I currently do not pay for health insurance (obviously...military). But when I do, I don't want higher premiums because the companies are forced to cover BC and thus must raise the cost for everyone so they can afford to cover BC. It would be much fairer if the people that wanted BC covered could just pay higher premiums... There is no such thing as free! Somebody is paying, the question is who. Really??? Ya think?? I bet not! I bet it results in higher premiums for all. I know what he is saying but I would be willing to bet the cost savings is minimal. People already using the pill and paying for it, now they will be using the pill and having the insurance company pay for it. Which population of people do you thnk is bIgger? them or the ones that are not using the pill but will start now? Weird. that post wasn't meant to be blank and i do mean to stay out of it. Honestly - lots of people's gut feelings. I don't know what's right - but honestly, my drug plan pays for 90% of my drug costs and for a long time that was BC (now preggo) and as someone young and healthy in general this was my ONLY charge to my drug benefit plan - with a very rare Rx for antibiotics or some such other thing. I pay my employee share of my insurance and the 10% extra for what I used - i was STILL incredibly low cost to my employers plan. I don't think the coverage of BC for me - was all that big of a load when you compare to those who are more heavy users of the plan for non-BC - let's talk major medical conditions, anti-depressants, etc etc etc and then it's something but in my mind BC is a small portion of overall drug-plan use in an average company (someone may have stats to disprove this) I do know I could have gotten it more cheaply (maybe for the same as the 10% i did pay) at special clinics but as a hard-working adult why shouldn't be able to access my employer's plan and not have to make special trips in order to do so?? I most certainly can tell you that now that I am pregnant i am cost my heallth plan and employer ALOT more money. Yhey are benefits of working to which i am entitled - i have done my share and they are offered. Plus, heavy periods are NOT the only reason other than pregnancy avoidance that BC is prescribed - bad acne, migraines, other period complications - for women who have long and irregular periods (think weeks at a time) Maybe you agree, maybe you don't but us Canadians had a prime minister who put it very well many moons ago: "There's no place for the state in the bedrooms of the nation " (Pierre Trudeau) and I think employers would go a long way if they adopted that attitude too. Edited by juniperjen 2013-03-15 2:23 PM |
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Science Nerd ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() jldicarlo - 2013-03-15 3:01 PM If you are referring to heavy periods...optional...not a necessity. Insurance plans don't often pay for optional stuff (think plastic surgery). I am so opposed to birth control I won't even take it for my ridiculously insane heavy periods. If I can survive anyone can survive. The only reason to use BC is to not get pregnant...and you can accomplish that by not having sex or being smart about when you do. No it's not. Taking a pill can help women who have endometriosis - helps prevent build up of tissue outside the uterus - or PCOS - the estrogen can help regulate periods. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() trinnas - 2013-03-15 1:05 PM Luckily we don't have to wonder. Turns out the cost of covering BC would add about 0.5% to premiums, but when the cost of unintended pregnancies is taken into account it's a wash. If you count indirect costs to the employer from an unintended pregnancy such as lost productivity and time off, providing BC saves employers about $97 per year per employee.I know what he is saying but I would be willing to bet the cost savings is minimal. People already using the pill and paying for it, now they will be using the pill and having the insurance company pay for it. Which population of people do you thnk is bIgger? them or the ones that are not using the pill but will start now? http://aspe.hhs.gov/health/reports/2012/contraceptives/ib.shtml Edited by drewb8 2013-03-15 2:21 PM |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Artemis - 2013-03-15 2:13 PM jldicarlo - 2013-03-15 3:01 PM If you are referring to heavy periods...optional...not a necessity. Insurance plans don't often pay for optional stuff (think plastic surgery). I am so opposed to birth control I won't even take it for my ridiculously insane heavy periods. If I can survive anyone can survive. The only reason to use BC is to not get pregnant...and you can accomplish that by not having sex or being smart about when you do. No it's not. Taking a pill can help women who have endometriosis - helps prevent build up of tissue outside the uterus - or PCOS - the estrogen can help regulate periods. Again, those are conditions that are NOT life threatening and can be handled WITHOUT the use of BC. BC in those situation is akin to asking insurance to pay for a b@@b job because you just don't like yours. Period inconvenient? Sorry, that's part of life. It's a side effect of our "I just want to take a pill so I don't have to deal with this annoying thing" culture that's developed. These problems aren't new. Women have put up with these non life-threatening conditions for thousands of years without the aid of BC. It'll be fine...really. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() drewb8 - 2013-03-15 3:20 PM So wait the government agency responsible for mandating BC coverage has put out a report saying it will save money... hmmmm fox guarding the hen house anyone.Ultimately do not get me wrong. I do think insurance companies should cover BC; I do believe it is a samrt decision for both employeer and Insurance Co. I do not believe the Government should be mandating it unless they are going to mandate every other drug on the market. The government picking winners and losers does not end up well even for the winners usually.trinnas - 2013-03-15 1:05 PM Luckily we don't have to wonder. Turns out the cost of covering BC would add about 0.5% to premiums, but when the cost of unintended pregnancies is taken into account it's a wash. If you count indirect costs to the employer from an unintended pregnancy such as lost productivity and time off, providing BC saves employers about $97 per year per employee.I know what he is saying but I would be willing to bet the cost savings is minimal. People already using the pill and paying for it, now they will be using the pill and having the insurance company pay for it. Which population of people do you thnk is bIgger? them or the ones that are not using the pill but will start now? http://aspe.hhs.gov/health/reports/2012/contraceptives/ib.shtml Edited by trinnas 2013-03-15 2:26 PM |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() It really is unfair to make people that would not use the BC pay for the ones that would. Like all the ugly women out there who don't need BC because they can't get any. Why should they have to pay for the good looking women who are. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() jldicarlo - 2013-03-15 3:24 PM Artemis - 2013-03-15 2:13 PM jldicarlo - 2013-03-15 3:01 PM If you are referring to heavy periods...optional...not a necessity. Insurance plans don't often pay for optional stuff (think plastic surgery). I am so opposed to birth control I won't even take it for my ridiculously insane heavy periods. If I can survive anyone can survive. The only reason to use BC is to not get pregnant...and you can accomplish that by not having sex or being smart about when you do. No it's not. Taking a pill can help women who have endometriosis - helps prevent build up of tissue outside the uterus - or PCOS - the estrogen can help regulate periods. Again, those are conditions that are NOT life threatening and can be handled WITHOUT the use of BC. BC in those situation is akin to asking insurance to pay for a b@@b job because you just don't like yours. Period inconvenient? Sorry, that's part of life. It's a side effect of our "I just want to take a pill so I don't have to deal with this annoying thing" culture that's developed. These problems aren't new. Women have put up with these non life-threatening conditions for thousands of years without the aid of BC. It'll be fine...really. By all accounts endometriosis is excruciating. Not inconvenient - excruciating. I don't have it but know those who have. Take BC, ease the symptoms. Reduce sick days and help someone live a little easier with it. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean that it's not useful for others for more than 'inconveniences' as you put it. I know girls who've had their periods last for weeks upon weeks - which is horrible for bone density and iron levels. Tell me that it's just an 'inconvenience' |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() juniperjen - 2013-03-15 2:29 PM jldicarlo - 2013-03-15 3:24 PM Artemis - 2013-03-15 2:13 PM jldicarlo - 2013-03-15 3:01 PM If you are referring to heavy periods...optional...not a necessity. Insurance plans don't often pay for optional stuff (think plastic surgery). I am so opposed to birth control I won't even take it for my ridiculously insane heavy periods. If I can survive anyone can survive. The only reason to use BC is to not get pregnant...and you can accomplish that by not having sex or being smart about when you do. No it's not. Taking a pill can help women who have endometriosis - helps prevent build up of tissue outside the uterus - or PCOS - the estrogen can help regulate periods. Again, those are conditions that are NOT life threatening and can be handled WITHOUT the use of BC. BC in those situation is akin to asking insurance to pay for a b@@b job because you just don't like yours. Period inconvenient? Sorry, that's part of life. It's a side effect of our "I just want to take a pill so I don't have to deal with this annoying thing" culture that's developed. These problems aren't new. Women have put up with these non life-threatening conditions for thousands of years without the aid of BC. It'll be fine...really. By all accounts endometriosis is excruciating. Not inconvenient - excruciating. I don't have it but know those who have. Take BC, ease the symptoms. Reduce sick days and help someone live a little easier with it. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean that it's not useful for others for more than 'inconveniences' as you put it. I know girls who've had their periods last for weeks upon weeks - which is horrible for bone density and iron levels. Tell me that it's just an 'inconvenience' Is BC the only treatment option? Nope..... Okay then.... |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() jldicarlo - 2013-03-15 2:24 PM Artemis - 2013-03-15 2:13 PM jldicarlo - 2013-03-15 3:01 PM If you are referring to heavy periods...optional...not a necessity. Insurance plans don't often pay for optional stuff (think plastic surgery). I am so opposed to birth control I won't even take it for my ridiculously insane heavy periods. If I can survive anyone can survive. The only reason to use BC is to not get pregnant...and you can accomplish that by not having sex or being smart about when you do. No it's not. Taking a pill can help women who have endometriosis - helps prevent build up of tissue outside the uterus - or PCOS - the estrogen can help regulate periods. Again, those are conditions that are NOT life threatening and can be handled WITHOUT the use of BC. BC in those situation is akin to asking insurance to pay for a b@@b job because you just don't like yours. Period inconvenient? Sorry, that's part of life. It's a side effect of our "I just want to take a pill so I don't have to deal with this annoying thing" culture that's developed. These problems aren't new. Women have put up with these non life-threatening conditions for thousands of years without the aid of BC. It'll be fine...really. Wow so by that rationale, you're saying we should have no medicines that prevent or treat medical conditions that aren't life threatening? |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() jldicarlo - 2013-03-15 2:24 PM Artemis - 2013-03-15 2:13 PM jldicarlo - 2013-03-15 3:01 PM If you are referring to heavy periods...optional...not a necessity. Insurance plans don't often pay for optional stuff (think plastic surgery). I am so opposed to birth control I won't even take it for my ridiculously insane heavy periods. If I can survive anyone can survive. The only reason to use BC is to not get pregnant...and you can accomplish that by not having sex or being smart about when you do. No it's not. Taking a pill can help women who have endometriosis - helps prevent build up of tissue outside the uterus - or PCOS - the estrogen can help regulate periods. Again, those are conditions that are NOT life threatening and can be handled WITHOUT the use of BC. BC in those situation is akin to asking insurance to pay for a b@@b job because you just don't like yours. Period inconvenient? Sorry, that's part of life. It's a side effect of our "I just want to take a pill so I don't have to deal with this annoying thing" culture that's developed. These problems aren't new. Women have put up with these non life-threatening conditions for thousands of years without the aid of BC. It'll be fine...really.
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() bradleyd3 - 2013-03-15 3:30 PM juniperjen - 2013-03-15 2:29 PM Is BC the only treatment option? Nope..... Okay then.... jldicarlo - 2013-03-15 3:24 PM Artemis - 2013-03-15 2:13 PM jldicarlo - 2013-03-15 3:01 PM If you are referring to heavy periods...optional...not a necessity. Insurance plans don't often pay for optional stuff (think plastic surgery). I am so opposed to birth control I won't even take it for my ridiculously insane heavy periods. If I can survive anyone can survive. The only reason to use BC is to not get pregnant...and you can accomplish that by not having sex or being smart about when you do. No it's not. Taking a pill can help women who have endometriosis - helps prevent build up of tissue outside the uterus - or PCOS - the estrogen can help regulate periods. Again, those are conditions that are NOT life threatening and can be handled WITHOUT the use of BC. BC in those situation is akin to asking insurance to pay for a b@@b job because you just don't like yours. Period inconvenient? Sorry, that's part of life. It's a side effect of our "I just want to take a pill so I don't have to deal with this annoying thing" culture that's developed. These problems aren't new. Women have put up with these non life-threatening conditions for thousands of years without the aid of BC. It'll be fine...really. By all accounts endometriosis is excruciating. Not inconvenient - excruciating. I don't have it but know those who have. Take BC, ease the symptoms. Reduce sick days and help someone live a little easier with it. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean that it's not useful for others for more than 'inconveniences' as you put it. I know girls who've had their periods last for weeks upon weeks - which is horrible for bone density and iron levels. Tell me that it's just an 'inconvenience' yeah your other option is a invasive surgery with a long recovery time to remove cysts and fibroids. and in the case of BOTH disorders mentioned...THEY COME BACK. |
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