Manatee Mentors 2015.2 CLOSED (Poptarts? Pet pics?) (Page 4)

Originally posted by IronOx

I forgot to ask a question.  Hopefully I am not kicked out and will get some replies .

My swim coach has had me working on distance per stroke.  I can get as low as 19 strokes per 25m.  But she talks about keeping that stroke rate, but having higher arm turnover.  Aren't those two mutually exclusive?  If I increase my turnover, won't my stroke rate go up?  I asked her and came to the understanding that she wants my pull faster, but I still can't make my brain understand how that won't increase my stroke rate.  Help?

Originally posted by StaceyK I am away from home at present for work and I thought in an attempt to warm you all up I would share. this is where I got to run this morning. It was warmish and very humid, but it is such a beautiful spot.

Originally posted by Jet Black Strokes/length only tells you if you're stretching out your stroke and gliding effectively. When you reduce your strokes/length you've effectively gotten more efficient. You can do this slow or fast. When you pair a low strokes/length with a high turnover rate it means you're going faster. 19 strokes per 25m means you're covering 1.3m per stroke. If it takes you 1 second to do one stroke (cover 1.3m) then it will take you 19 seconds to complete the 25m. If it takes you 0.5 seconds to do one stroke (higher arm turnover - but still covering 1.3m) then it will only take you 9.5 seconds to complete 25m.

Originally posted by Jet Black Strokes/length only tells you if you're stretching out your stroke and gliding effectively. When you reduce your strokes/length you've effectively gotten more efficient. You can do this slow or fast. When you pair a low strokes/length with a high turnover rate it means you're going faster. 19 strokes per 25m means you're covering 1.3m per stroke. If it takes you 1 second to do one stroke (cover 1.3m) then it will take you 19 seconds to complete the 25m. If it takes you 0.5 seconds to do one stroke (higher arm turnover - but still covering 1.3m) then it will only take you 9.5 seconds to complete 25m.

Originally posted by brigby1

To get more speed these things will end up working together. I think she's trying to keep you from falling into traps that can happen by doing them in isolation. When only stroke rate is looked at it's possible to introduce (or widen) a glide in the stroke. It looks nice for stroke count, but is slower as you're not actually pulling. When it's turnover your mechanics might get worse to get your arms around more quickly. Also not good because you'll be fighting the water.

Maybe try thinking of it more as holding one of those two fairly steady and improving the other.

Originally posted by brigby1

It might be getting a bit particular for some, but it's more that you want extension as opposed to glide. Glide is just holding your hand out front, whereas extension would be actively putting it out there. Having a longer glide and increasing turnover doesn't really go together that well as the former slows it down. Using stroke count to determine efficiency is done by many, but can be very misleading. Everyone here can have a stroke count of zero by kicking the entire way. That, however, is an inefficient use of energy. The catch-up drill should have a lower stroke count, but can have rather large gaps between pulls which will have a good deal of slow down between pulls. Well, without a solid kick between each pull that is. So the reasons why your stroke count lowers does matter. A lot.

Originally posted by msteiner

My approach was probably completely wrong, but I read so much literature that said to not worry about stroke length or rate.  I just kept swimming and myself naturally select stroke rate like cycling/running cadence.

I'm not sure if that's the wrong way to go, but I never got slower by just focusing on getting to the wall quicker.

Originally posted by Asalzwed

I'm like the goddamned pony express this morning. 

The UPS drop off location was not where the map showed it so I ended up running all the way to work with a forkin' box under my arm. Then I get to work and of course we only use FEDEX. The Staples next door only has fedex pickup as well and my box is too big for the UPS drop box on the corner.

I know. It's small. I just feel like I deserve a little break at some point here...

 

 

In other news, I was on the phone with the Thailand team (who is based in Hong Kong.I know, don't overthink it...) and they were telling me about the HK Oxfam relay. They want me to come do it. It's 100K. I know they said it not really believing I would come over for it but I think it would be awesome (other than the air quality thing...)

I don't have a strong desire to do an "ultra" but this would be a team environment (you run it together and finish together) so I imagine it would be more like a long hike with running segments in between.

 

 

Originally posted by Asalzwed

I'm like the goddamned pony express this morning. 

The UPS drop off location was not where the map showed it so I ended up running all the way to work with a forkin' box under my arm. Then I get to work and of course we only use FEDEX. The Staples next door only has fedex pickup as well and my box is too big for the UPS drop box on the corner.

I know. It's small. I just feel like I deserve a little break at some point here...

 

 

In other news, I was on the phone with the Thailand team (who is based in Hong Kong.I know, don't overthink it...) and they were telling me about the HK Oxfam relay. They want me to come do it. It's 100K. I know they said it not really believing I would come over for it but I think it would be awesome (other than the air quality thing...)

I don't have a strong desire to do an "ultra" but this would be a team environment (you run it together and finish together) so I imagine it would be more like a long hike with running segments in between.

 

 

Originally posted by Asalzwed

I'm like the goddamned pony express this morning. 

The UPS drop off location was not where the map showed it so I ended up running all the way to work with a forkin' box under my arm. Then I get to work and of course we only use FEDEX. The Staples next door only has fedex pickup as well and my box is too big for the UPS drop box on the corner.

I know. It's small. I just feel like I deserve a little break at some point here...

 

 

In other news, I was on the phone with the Thailand team (who is based in Hong Kong.I know, don't overthink it...) and they were telling me about the HK Oxfam relay. They want me to come do it. It's 100K. I know they said it not really believing I would come over for it but I think it would be awesome (other than the air quality thing...)

I don't have a strong desire to do an "ultra" but this would be a team environment (you run it together and finish together) so I imagine it would be more like a long hike with running segments in between.

 

 

Originally posted by IronOx

Very cool!  Dooooo eeeeeet!

Originally posted by Asalzwed

I'm like the goddamned pony express this morning. 

The UPS drop off location was not where the map showed it so I ended up running all the way to work with a forkin' box under my arm. Then I get to work and of course we only use FEDEX. The Staples next door only has fedex pickup as well and my box is too big for the UPS drop box on the corner.

I know. It's small. I just feel like I deserve a little break at some point here...

In other news, I was on the phone with the Thailand team (who is based in Hong Kong.I know, don't overthink it...) and they were telling me about the HK Oxfam relay. They want me to come do it. It's 100K. I know they said it not really believing I would come over for it but I think it would be awesome (other than the air quality thing...)

I don't have a strong desire to do an "ultra" but this would be a team environment (you run it together and finish together) so I imagine it would be more like a long hike with running segments in between.

 

 

Originally posted by rrrunner

X2 on the Dooo Eeeeet!

After a year in HK DS2 always laughs at me when I comment about bad air quality here. He said it wasn't "as bad" on the mountain though.

Originally posted by laffinrock

This sounds kind of like a Ragnar on steroids!  I say doooooo eeeeeeeeet unless it conflicts with the PCT trip.  Either one might be good training for the other though.

The box toting sounds like it was good training for toting hiking gear while running.

Originally posted by IndoIronYanti

This is from 5 years ago, but I'm trying to get all the raffs I can right now. Probably one of my all-time favourite Funny Farm exchanges.

 

I haz a bone!!! You haz no bone FAIL!




 I kan haz bone? PWEEZ?



No! U be no stealin' mah bone!



I haz a bone.

Originally posted by Asalzwed

Yeah PCT will certainly take priority over just about everything.

You are right about the gear toting, waita look at the bright side I'm just feeling a little cranky today I guess. 

Originally posted by laffinrock

Awww, so sweet.  Our cat, Cricket, is wary of the toy-obsessed dog. Whenever Shanti is gone, though, Cricket picks one of Shanti's favorite toys and rolls around wrestling with it.  It's pretty cute and seems just a little passive-aggressive! 

The other common occurrence is when Shanti has a bone, no matter how many other bones are lying around, Pippin (the other dog) lies in front of Shanti whining pitifully.  If she gets the least bit distracted (or gets up and walks away because she can't stand it anymore), he then snags the bone.  Silly beasties.

Originally posted by Asalzwed
 

Originally posted by IronOx

Thanks everyone, for replies.  Yanti, yes, 19 strokes total.  Sean, what you are saying makes sense in my head.  Maybe I need to think of it as making each pull more powerful--travelling the same distance but faster.