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I agree with you Fred. 

I understand what Tom was trying to get across...but he just totally whiffed.  Losing weight is in fact an issue that we all need to deal with, but posting a picture of pros and saying that's what we need to look like was a horrible way of portraying that message.  I'm secure with my weight, so his comments did not bother me, but I can imagine how it would bother others who struggle with weight and their self esteem based on it.

We do need to be careful about the subject, and thanks for the reminder.

well, and let's all face it, he may be knowledgeable but dude is a little weird

"Do I need a run coach"

I agree with you completely, and should have been focusing on the swim this winter...but didn't.  I know I need to fix it and am now trying to do that.  4th swim of the planned for tomorrow.

Thanks James - I'm using the swim workouts in a binder at the moment.  When you refer to T pace, is that the same as my 1000TT pace?  Typically how much slower is MOD that T pace?

So for the swim set you've got listed, I add that up to 3000 yds, would that be right?  I'm also a bit lost on the bolded part, can you explain this?

Thanks

Finally updated my April numbers, here are my totals.

Thanks for all of that James - comfort zone is definitely where I am usually in the pool.  For the most part I swim a lot at T pace, which I think indicates I take too long between sets (been told that before) - I'm usually about :15-:20/100's or :20-:25/200's, or my T pace is off a bit.

The part I really struggle with is that when I push harder on the swim I get really exhausted - and see very minimal speed gains.  i.e. T pace for me is around 1:40/100yds, but swimming a 1:35, even for a 100 takes an awful lot more effort.  I'm just constantly surprised how much extra effort it takes to go just a tiny bit faster, plus I think my form starts to fall apart as I push harder.

I agree that getting out of your comfort zone is key.  The main set should be uncomfortable.  When I made the most gains in my swimming the workouts were hard.  The main sets were usually 50-300 yd intervals all at t-pace or faster.  Eventually, with frequency and consistency, you just get faster.

Tom and Neil:  Maybe try structuring your sets on a set interval (SI).  So if you were doing that 3x100 at t-pace, your t-pace is 1:35, plan on leaving the wall at 1:50 or 1:55 set intervals as opposed to giving yourself a rest interval of :20.  The rest interval gives you no motivation to go faster.  The set interval has you leaving at a set time.  Go faster and you get longer rest..go slower and too bad you are leaving at 1:50 LOL.

I did James' workout on lunch as well - limited to 35min, so 1900yds total for me.

200WU, 2x50FR,3x(3x100FR,200FR),100Mix

Surprised myself a bit.  First 100 was at a 1:37 pace, and held that for the first 6, and then in the last set of 3 actually dropped the pace down to 1:34.  The 200's I swam at a 1:42/43 pace - not sure if that is too slow or just about right.  Gave myself :15 in between the 100's and :20 after the 200's.

I'll try this one again next week in a 25M pool, and will also try to swim in the morning (which I haven't done for 4 years) to give myself enough time to actually increase the yardage.  Can't go any longer on my lunch hours.