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2014-03-16 6:32 PM in reply to: axteraa |
Veteran 2842 Austin, Texas | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ---- Permanently OPEN!! HM today. PR for me and the Better Half - very happy, both of us. Went with tights and a vest, and it was the right call - was hot for about 90 seconds, cold for about five minutes and good the rest of the time (wind was honkin'). Arend, not sure how you do that in shorts! Actually has been a great "rest & test" week, with 5 PRs (1,000 yd pool, 15k, 10 mile, 20k and 13.1 mile - granted the last 4 were one run, but I'm happy just the same). Finished the run and had a fish sandwich and chowder (New England's finest winter fare), then off to find a good double IPA to "rehydrate." Good times! Now, if I can do this when I have kids my age… RR to follow. Matt |
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2014-03-16 7:38 PM in reply to: mcmanusclan5 |
Master 2621 Mechanicsburg, PA | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ---- Permanently OPEN!! Originally posted by mcmanusclan5 HM today. PR for me and the Better Half - very happy, both of us. Went with tights and a vest, and it was the right call - was hot for about 90 seconds, cold for about five minutes and good the rest of the time (wind was honkin'). Arend, not sure how you do that in shorts! Actually has been a great "rest & test" week, with 5 PRs (1,000 yd pool, 15k, 10 mile, 20k and 13.1 mile - granted the last 4 were one run, but I'm happy just the same). Finished the run and had a fish sandwich and chowder (New England's finest winter fare), then off to find a good double IPA to "rehydrate." Good times! Now, if I can do this when I have kids my age… RR to follow. Matt
Congratulations Matt! What a way to finish off the week but with a PR and with the better half.
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2014-03-17 8:09 AM in reply to: BrotherTri |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ---- Permanently OPEN!! Tweaked something in the hip flexors of my left leg during my long run yesterday. It's a bit tender this morning so I am taking an off day to let it recover. Hopefully nothing serious. Matt, congrats on the great HM result! To both you and the better half. |
2014-03-17 9:21 AM in reply to: axteraa |
Master 2621 Mechanicsburg, PA | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ---- Permanently OPEN!! Originally posted by axteraa Arend for me it alway seams to happen in between training events. I kind of understand how, just being tight, not stretched out and moving to quick.I pulled a muscle in my back just below my right scapula. It happened before my 10 mile run yesterday. It was a little annoying on yesterdays run and today's run. I will see how it feels on today's swim.Tweaked something in the hip flexors of my left leg during my long run yesterday. It's a bit tender this morning so I am taking an off day to let it recover. Hopefully nothing serious. Matt, congrats on the great HM result! To both you and the better half. |
2014-03-17 9:26 AM in reply to: BrotherTri |
Pro 4528 Norwalk, Connecticut | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ---- Permanently OPEN!! Another cold weekend Cliff notes say that it was 34* (1*c) for the 4's race with a 20mph (32kph) headwind on the back straight and a tailwind up the hill and down front straight. I accidentally rolled off the front on the first lap, i went to point to do a little pull and when i turned around half lap later, i had a 9 second gap, i could not believe what i saw, so as i rolled up the hill easy, i made a decision that i was gonna attack and see how long i could stay away, it was not the plan, but i have the power for the wind and the uphill had a helping wind. Fast forward 2 preems, 13 laps and 38 mins later and the field finally caught me, at one point i had a 40 second gap, but the hill took its toll on my 218lbs. i led laps 14 and 15, then field finished laps 16-20. strava with power http://www.strava.com/activities/121277511 Masters race i took a flyer and won $20 cash on a preem, attacking well before anyone else and i guess the field said, ummm no we are not gonna try to chase, was able to sit up well before line coasted across and got back in peloton. a lap later and a counter attacked happened, which blew us apart, it ended up 3 man break, solo rider, 4 man break and 15 others then the field of 25 more. The GC leader had 3 guys in my group, they did a fantastic job controlling us, and me and my teammate tried to bridge the gap to the second 4 3 times but never made it. Gave the solo female in our group a last lap leadout, trying to get her a top 10, but we were both shot from our first race that we coasted in for 19 and 20th. strava with power http://www.strava.com/activities/121277506 i just do not have enough HP or endurance to contest two races, maybe if i sat in for the 4's i could contend the masters, but realistically, this is training for my June Half, so i will continue to attack and chase preems, and i am sure i will place or win a 4's race. our sprinter took 4th and moved to 3rd in GC, so as a team we are soing well for him. Once he upgrades to 3's i am done with 4's and concentrate on Masters. |
2014-03-17 9:28 AM in reply to: mcmanusclan5 |
Pro 4528 Norwalk, Connecticut | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ---- Permanently OPEN!! Originally posted by mcmanusclan5 HM today. PR for me and the Better Half - very happy, both of us. Went with tights and a vest, and it was the right call - was hot for about 90 seconds, cold for about five minutes and good the rest of the time (wind was honkin'). Arend, not sure how you do that in shorts! Actually has been a great "rest & test" week, with 5 PRs (1,000 yd pool, 15k, 10 mile, 20k and 13.1 mile - granted the last 4 were one run, but I'm happy just the same). Finished the run and had a fish sandwich and chowder (New England's finest winter fare), then off to find a good double IPA to "rehydrate." Good times! Now, if I can do this when I have kids my age… RR to follow. Matt Great job and congrats!!! |
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2014-03-17 9:32 AM in reply to: JAYCT |
Pro 4528 Norwalk, Connecticut | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ---- Permanently OPEN!! Originally posted by JAYCT Originally posted by brigby1 Originally posted by JAYCT Looks like I'm trying my second crit race this afternoon. Cat 4/5, 40 lap four corner race 0.6 mile loop. Flat course which is good because I'm on the fat side right now. Meeting up with a friend before to get an hour or so of base miles before. I'm looking to turn the screws now that it is spring. Outside shot I make a late season run at a 70.3 if I can get firing on all cylinders. BTW, if any of you are doing some Rev3 Quassy recon let me know and I might interested in riding. I might even do a relay or something. I just can't run and haven't swam in 2 years so can't do the entire thing without adding an hour to my time from a couple years ago. Do remember that Rev3 always has an aquabike option as well. Swim, Bike, Done is kind of fun when the running isn't going so well. Solid point! I'd rather do a bike race I think though. I'm not a swimmer and always just sort of looked at it as the way to get to the bike and run in 70.3 (blasphemer I know with this group). That could be fun though because there aren't any long time trials like that to do. I think the state championship time trial might be that weekend but is only 10 miles so something to think about. I took 3rd overall yesterday and won the first prime. Led my friend out for the second prime. Won $25 bucks which covers the race fee. Super windy on the back stretch. Split the field with a couple of early attacks but probably used too much energy. One guy sneakily rode off the front and before we realized it was a threat, it was too late. One took my wheel with a lap to go and I towed the field and he was able to come around but I held the rest of the field off for 3rd. Fun day. First day in Connecticut where I was able to ride in shorts too this year which made it that much more fun. Looking forward to warm weather. Nice job Jay!!!! I second the notion of the swim is a warm up for a killer bike to be ruined by having to run for a couple hours. But alas, i am a crappy triathlete and perfectly fine with it. i just love the people and race atmosphere. Swim Bike done sounds lovely. |
2014-03-17 9:58 AM in reply to: Rudedog55 |
Master 1927 Guilford, CT | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ---- Permanently OPEN!! Great work Rudy! Looking forward to riding/racing with you at some point. I'll be out of the 5s soon once I get a few more race starts booked. I can feel your pain on that little hill. Just repeating the hard anaerobic burst every lap. I almost made a trainerroad workout out of it. 2 minute lap. 1:30 - sweetspot/threshold, 30 seconds at 500-600 watts. 20 times. I have trouble replicating the effort on the trainer though. |
2014-03-17 10:46 AM in reply to: mcmanusclan5 |
Master 1927 Guilford, CT | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ---- Permanently OPEN!! Matt, that is great! Congrats! It is an awesome feeling getting faster like that too. I'm trying to re-establish that as I haven't had it in a couple of years due to lack of focus. |
2014-03-17 1:19 PM in reply to: JAYCT |
Expert 1260 Norton Shores, MI | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ---- Permanently OPEN!! Nice to see folks racing...still seems so far away with snow on the ground. Great results as well all around! I wound up getting sick the middle of last week which knocked me on my keester. Took it easy over the weekend and back to the grind today. Traveling for work and went to a pool I have gone to several times before. Well, the water was about 86-88 degrees...unbearable. The lifeguard offered me a bowl of ice...not kidding. Apparently the senior citizens have demanded it be that warm. Time to find a new pool in the area.
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2014-03-17 4:16 PM in reply to: rymac |
Veteran 2842 Austin, Texas | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ---- Permanently OPEN!! |
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2014-03-18 12:14 PM in reply to: 0 |
Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ---- Permanently OPEN!! A late: Welcome back Rudy! Great race Matt! Fast field, no kidding, were you really 111 AG with that time??? Edited by ChrisM 2014-03-18 12:20 PM |
2014-03-18 12:19 PM in reply to: ChrisM |
Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ---- Permanently OPEN!! Good discussion (for me at least) by BarryP over on ST. http://forum.slowtwitch.com/forum/Slowtwitch_Forums_C1/Triathlon_Forum_F1/Runtraining_and_why_it_is_so_counter_intuitive_P5009373/ As an adult onset runner, and thus seeing a steady improvement over my running "career" as I got more base, I always judged my fitness by my pace as it improved at a certain effort level. Now that I have a few years in my legs, I find that leveling off, and am trying to divorce myself from the concept of pace as a training metric, but it ain't easy. I should (and do sometimes) delete pace as a display on the garmin, but I still find myself looking at it and sometimes being quite judgmental about it. I have continued to improve in races when I have been able to train into them without injury Forced into accepting it today, as I am on a bit of a run block, and today was 4th day running, 25 miles over those days (a lot for me and my history), and legs are pretty fatigued. Anyway, just a timely and good reminder for me. it's taken (taking...) me years to accept this. |
2014-03-18 12:49 PM in reply to: ChrisM |
Master 1927 Guilford, CT | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ---- Permanently OPEN!! Chris, thanks for posting. Timely for me as I've been toying with trying to get my running back to at least where it was a couple years ago. After taking a few months off here and there, I now have what feels like no run base at all. It is very discouraging to me to even lace up and head out the door because of looking at my pace/distance and thinking how that used to be a warm-up for me at one point but now I'm tired. Really trying to figure out how to get that mojo back and with running I distinctly remember enjoying it the most when I close to the most fit. Now it just seems like it hurts, which probably means I'm running too hard, and mentally need to disconnect from my old metrics and establish completely new ones. |
2014-03-18 1:43 PM in reply to: JAYCT |
Pro 4528 Norwalk, Connecticut | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ---- Permanently OPEN!! i stopped bringing a watch, when i'm outside i start strava and dont look at it till done, i run very easy. When i'm on the dreddie, i put it at 10m/m pace, and watch TV, i always seem to go to fast too soon and get hurt when i start up running again. Running has always been my bugaboo, ever since i started this in 2008, no exception 5 years later. I guess you also have to love it, and i don't. the relationship comes and goes, sometimes i enjoy it and other times id rather pull my fingernails out with vice grips than go run. Right now it is a necessary evil. |
2014-03-18 3:08 PM in reply to: ChrisM |
Expert 1260 Norton Shores, MI | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ---- Permanently OPEN!! Originally posted by ChrisM Good discussion (for me at least) by BarryP over on ST. http://forum.slowtwitch.com/forum/Slowtwitch_Forums_C1/Triathlon_Forum_F1/Runtraining_and_why_it_is_so_counter_intuitive_P5009373/ As an adult onset runner, and thus seeing a steady improvement over my running "career" as I got more base, I always judged my fitness by my pace as it improved at a certain effort level. Now that I have a few years in my legs, I find that leveling off, and am trying to divorce myself from the concept of pace as a training metric, but it ain't easy. I should (and do sometimes) delete pace as a display on the garmin, but I still find myself looking at it and sometimes being quite judgmental about it. I have continued to improve in races when I have been able to train into them without injury Forced into accepting it today, as I am on a bit of a run block, and today was 4th day running, 25 miles over those days (a lot for me and my history), and legs are pretty fatigued. Anyway, just a timely and good reminder for me. it's taken (taking...) me years to accept this. I have been following that thread as well. I have raced very fast 10k and 15k doing nothing but lots of easy running. |
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2014-03-18 3:10 PM in reply to: rymac |
Expert 1260 Norton Shores, MI | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ---- Permanently OPEN!! 5000 in the pool today...that takes awhile . Mixed in some fast 100s and 50s at the end and felt great. 15K + scheduled in the pool this week...quite a bit for me. |
2014-03-18 4:23 PM in reply to: ChrisM |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ---- Permanently OPEN!! I think that run thread on ST is great too. When I first started running, I got hurt several times until I drank the "run lots, mostly easy, sometimes hard" kool-aid. My problem was that I took it to the extreme of eliminating the "sometimes hard" as I was scared to get hurt again. It's one of the big reasons I wanted to hire a coach - to teach me how to incorporate the "sometimes hard" part properly. I woke up this morning and the hip flexor issue was gone. Had a good 5 x 5 @ 285w on the trainer this morning and a 45 min run with some strides at lunch. Another cold day here but we are supposed to get a few warmer ones later in the week, fingers crossed! |
2014-03-19 2:02 AM in reply to: axteraa |
Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ---- Permanently OPEN!! Trying to catch up. Had a busy weekend, which did involve some riding, but we had a wind storm come through with gusts up over 60 mph in some areas. I didn't see those gusts, but the 35-45 mph gusts I did feel on parts of my ride were enough to keep them interesting...and on the shorter side. I did manage to get out for my first Tuesday group ride in about 6 months. Fun times...lots of suffering. |
2014-03-19 8:05 AM in reply to: Jason N |
Expert 1260 Norton Shores, MI | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ---- Permanently OPEN!! Matt: You were asking about transportation to the Grand Rapids HIM and I meant to comment. I am tentatively planning on that race as well. I am local here...GR is only 45 minutes away. Flying into GR would be very convenient if you can swing it and flights are usually not to expensive into/from that airport. The airport is only 10-15 minutes away from the race site and all of the hotels that you would likely stay at are in between the two as well. It is on the medium side for an airport but they have alot of flights in and out. Baggage and security is really easy. I would recommend that route. Also consider that sitting in a car for 15 hours after a Half Ironman dont sound great . |
2014-03-19 12:30 PM in reply to: 0 |
Seattle | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ---- Permanently OPEN!! Originally posted by ChrisM Good discussion (for me at least) by BarryP over on ST. http://forum.slowtwitch.com/forum/Slowtwitch_Forums_C1/Triathlon_Forum_F1/Runtraining_and_why_it_is_so_counter_intuitive_P5009373/ As an adult onset runner, and thus seeing a steady improvement over my running "career" as I got more base, I always judged my fitness by my pace as it improved at a certain effort level. Now that I have a few years in my legs, I find that leveling off, and am trying to divorce myself from the concept of pace as a training metric, but it ain't easy. I should (and do sometimes) delete pace as a display on the garmin, but I still find myself looking at it and sometimes being quite judgmental about it. I have continued to improve in races when I have been able to train into them without injury Forced into accepting it today, as I am on a bit of a run block, and today was 4th day running, 25 miles over those days (a lot for me and my history), and legs are pretty fatigued. Anyway, just a timely and good reminder for me. it's taken (taking...) me years to accept this. This is really great. Thanks for sharing! Chris, when you talk about pace as a training metric do you mean all the time or just during key workouts? I think a lot like the way you guys use powermeters vs mph (and mind you that stuff is way over my head, but as the way I understand it) "pace" does not tell the whole story. I was reading an article in Running Times about a guy who pulls a whole bunch of different data from a race (including terrain, weather, past results, distance etc) and plots them then you can compare efforts across the board. I am sorry I don't have the name but I will look it up when I get home. I thought it was really interesting. Rarely do I ever feel that pace even begins to tell the whole story (which is why I see the value in race reports.) I am, of course, a big believer in "the mostly easy, sometimes hard," I do think the sometimes hard is an area where everyone could work on. Understanding the purpose of different kinds of "hard" workouts and how to apply them within a training plan.
Above all, I think consistency is king. Athletes are successful with a wide variety of training philosophies but the common denominators for improvement are consistency and avoiding injury. Edited by Asalzwed 2014-03-19 12:36 PM |
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2014-03-19 12:44 PM in reply to: Asalzwed |
Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ---- Permanently OPEN!! Originally posted by Asalzwed This is really great. Thanks for sharing! Chris, when you talk about pace as a training metric do you mean all the time or just during key workouts? I think a lot like the way you guys use powermeters vs mph (and mind you that stuff is way over my head, but as the way I understand it) "pace" does not tell the whole story. I was reading an article in Running Times about a guy who pulls a whole bunch of different data from a race (including terrain, weather, past results, distance etc) and plots them then you can compare efforts across the board. I am sorry I don't have the name but I will look it up when I get home. I thought it was really interesting. Rarely do I ever feel that pace even begins to tell the whole story (which is why I see the value in race reports.) I am, of course, a big believer in "the mostly easy, sometimes hard," I do think the sometimes hard is an area where everyone could work on. Understanding the purpose of different kinds of "hard" workouts and how to apply them within a training plan.
Above all, I think consistency is king. Athletes are successful with a wide variety of training philosophies but the common denominators for improvement are consistency and avoiding injury. What does that analysis come up with? Something like graded or weighted pace? The issues with pace in running are the same as biking, just a lot less prominent. I find it quite helpful, but still can lack some like you seem to have noticed with telling the whole story. Keep waiting for something that's more like power in that it measures output instantly and without the influence of terrain or other conditions. |
2014-03-19 12:47 PM in reply to: brigby1 |
Seattle | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ---- Permanently OPEN!! Originally posted by brigby1 Originally posted by Asalzwed This is really great. Thanks for sharing! Chris, when you talk about pace as a training metric do you mean all the time or just during key workouts? I think a lot like the way you guys use powermeters vs mph (and mind you that stuff is way over my head, but as the way I understand it) "pace" does not tell the whole story. I was reading an article in Running Times about a guy who pulls a whole bunch of different data from a race (including terrain, weather, past results, distance etc) and plots them then you can compare efforts across the board. I am sorry I don't have the name but I will look it up when I get home. I thought it was really interesting. Rarely do I ever feel that pace even begins to tell the whole story (which is why I see the value in race reports.) I am, of course, a big believer in "the mostly easy, sometimes hard," I do think the sometimes hard is an area where everyone could work on. Understanding the purpose of different kinds of "hard" workouts and how to apply them within a training plan.
Above all, I think consistency is king. Athletes are successful with a wide variety of training philosophies but the common denominators for improvement are consistency and avoiding injury. What does that analysis come up with? Something like graded or weighted pace? The issues with pace in running are the same as biking, just a lot less prominent. I find it quite helpful, but still can lack some like you seem to have noticed with telling the whole story. Keep waiting for something that's more like power in that it measures output instantly and without the influence of terrain or other conditions. It's a number not a pace, but yeah, it's kind of a graded number. It sounds like they use it for college recruiting, specifically for XC where it's REALLY hard to gauge a "fast" time. Sorry I don't have more details. When I was reading it I was definitely thinking of you guys (Didn't one of you mention that if people had something similar to a power meter while they were running hills they would run a lot different?) |
2014-03-19 12:55 PM in reply to: Asalzwed |
Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ---- Permanently OPEN!! Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by brigby1 Originally posted by Asalzwed This is really great. Thanks for sharing! Chris, when you talk about pace as a training metric do you mean all the time or just during key workouts? I think a lot like the way you guys use powermeters vs mph (and mind you that stuff is way over my head, but as the way I understand it) "pace" does not tell the whole story. I was reading an article in Running Times about a guy who pulls a whole bunch of different data from a race (including terrain, weather, past results, distance etc) and plots them then you can compare efforts across the board. I am sorry I don't have the name but I will look it up when I get home. I thought it was really interesting. Rarely do I ever feel that pace even begins to tell the whole story (which is why I see the value in race reports.) I am, of course, a big believer in "the mostly easy, sometimes hard," I do think the sometimes hard is an area where everyone could work on. Understanding the purpose of different kinds of "hard" workouts and how to apply them within a training plan. Above all, I think consistency is king. Athletes are successful with a wide variety of training philosophies but the common denominators for improvement are consistency and avoiding injury. What does that analysis come up with? Something like graded or weighted pace? The issues with pace in running are the same as biking, just a lot less prominent. I find it quite helpful, but still can lack some like you seem to have noticed with telling the whole story. Keep waiting for something that's more like power in that it measures output instantly and without the influence of terrain or other conditions. It's a number not a pace, but yeah, it's kind of a graded number. It sounds like they use it for college recruiting, specifically for XC where it's REALLY hard to gauge a "fast" time. Sorry I don't have more details. When I was reading it I was definitely thinking of you guys (Didn't one of you mention that if people had something similar to a power meter while they were running hills they would run a lot different?) I'm sure several of us have at least thought that. |
2014-03-19 4:00 PM in reply to: brigby1 |
Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ---- Permanently OPEN!! Originally posted by brigby1 Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by brigby1 Originally posted by Asalzwed This is really great. Thanks for sharing! Chris, when you talk about pace as a training metric do you mean all the time or just during key workouts? I think a lot like the way you guys use powermeters vs mph (and mind you that stuff is way over my head, but as the way I understand it) "pace" does not tell the whole story. I was reading an article in Running Times about a guy who pulls a whole bunch of different data from a race (including terrain, weather, past results, distance etc) and plots them then you can compare efforts across the board. I am sorry I don't have the name but I will look it up when I get home. I thought it was really interesting. Rarely do I ever feel that pace even begins to tell the whole story (which is why I see the value in race reports.) I am, of course, a big believer in "the mostly easy, sometimes hard," I do think the sometimes hard is an area where everyone could work on. Understanding the purpose of different kinds of "hard" workouts and how to apply them within a training plan. Above all, I think consistency is king. Athletes are successful with a wide variety of training philosophies but the common denominators for improvement are consistency and avoiding injury. What does that analysis come up with? Something like graded or weighted pace? The issues with pace in running are the same as biking, just a lot less prominent. I find it quite helpful, but still can lack some like you seem to have noticed with telling the whole story. Keep waiting for something that's more like power in that it measures output instantly and without the influence of terrain or other conditions. It's a number not a pace, but yeah, it's kind of a graded number. It sounds like they use it for college recruiting, specifically for XC where it's REALLY hard to gauge a "fast" time. Sorry I don't have more details. When I was reading it I was definitely thinking of you guys (Didn't one of you mention that if people had something similar to a power meter while they were running hills they would run a lot different?) I'm sure several of us have at least thought that.
That was Rusty I thiink that mentioned the run PM |
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