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2010-10-23 7:19 AM
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Subject: RE: Cycling Program v3.0 - 2010 - 2011
I think I just determined that this cycling plan is not compatable (for me) with my 1/2 marathon training.  Since Monday I have done the three trainer workouts with two 6 mile runs mixed it.

Last Saturday's 12 miler was great, but today I struggled through a 6 miler.  I guess I will wait to start the cycling plan after the 1/2 marathon.  Even then, I can't afford to lose my running base.


2010-10-23 12:21 PM
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2010-10-23 4:54 PM
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Hook'em - 2010-10-23 7:19 AM I think I just determined that this cycling plan is not compatable (for me) with my 1/2 marathon training.  Since Monday I have done the three trainer workouts with two 6 mile runs mixed it.

Last Saturday's 12 miler was great, but today I struggled through a 6 miler.  I guess I will wait to start the cycling plan after the 1/2 marathon.  Even then, I can't afford to lose my running base.


Unless you only have time for 5 workouts a week, then yes, not compatible.
2010-10-23 11:02 PM
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Subject: RE: Cycling Program v3.0 - 2010 - 2011
I wanted to do a longer ride today and not miss out on the prep day 3 benefits so I combined the two.  It was hard keeping my hr at the plan level due to wind, hills, etc but it was nice being outside. Not too many outside rides left this year.

So this was combined prep 3 and 4 workout.  It was great!

25'@75%
25'@80%
25'@85%
10'@90% + 3'@80%
10'@95% + 3'@80%
10'@100% + 3'@80%
cooldown

Cooldown had two big hills. My legs wern't happy about that.

2010-10-24 9:03 AM
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Subject: RE: Cycling Program v3.0 - 2010 - 2011
Like Hook-em, I have a half marathon coming up (Outer Banks, Nov 14th). 

I started some warm-up weeks on the trainer a few weeks back and, admittedly, have been putting in harder effort that recommended by Jorge for the two weeks prior to the start.  Found that performance during my long runs at the weekend were poor after the trainer weeks.   This past week I was in Europe on business and only managed a couple of easy runs on the hotel treadmill.  Went out and did a 10 mile run this morning and felt great!

I can fit in the workouts, but think that my run performance is being effected by the trainer work.  I think that I'm going to go light on the trainer for another few weeks and delay starting Jorge's program until after my half marathon.  Make sense?

Will only be a couple of weeks behind and the rest of you can have the pleasure of telling me what pain I am going to have to endure!  Wink
2010-10-24 9:15 AM
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Subject: RE: Cycling Program v3.0 - 2010 - 2011
JollyRoger - 2010-10-24 10:03 AM Like Hook-em, I have a half marathon coming up (Outer Banks, Nov 14th). 

I started some warm-up weeks on the trainer a few weeks back and, admittedly, have been putting in harder effort that recommended by Jorge for the two weeks prior to the start.  Found that performance during my long runs at the weekend were poor after the trainer weeks.   This past week I was in Europe on business and only managed a couple of easy runs on the hotel treadmill.  Went out and did a 10 mile run this morning and felt great!

I can fit in the workouts, but think that my run performance is being effected by the trainer work.  I think that I'm going to go light on the trainer for another few weeks and delay starting Jorge's program until after my half marathon.  Make sense?

Will only be a couple of weeks behind and the rest of you can have the pleasure of telling me what pain I am going to have to endure!  Wink

Yes it does make sense,  I put it off until late Feb last year.  Whatever works of the individual is what is best as we each response to training differently.

One of the things I did last year was use the 20 min warm ups and another 5-15 min steady pace of the plan for warming up before my short runs.  A) It kept me on the bike, B) It helped my runs as short runs, especially in the winter I had a hard time getting the most out of them as most time I'm just starting to feel good >1-2 miles into the run.


2010-10-25 5:45 AM
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Just did my 3rd ride yesterday and I found it very getting going as I did a HM on saturday but I got through it

I found this a very good prep week and I think I have been able to adjust my estimated max so it is pretty close to the real deal. I did but ride 1 & 2 to fast but no. 3 I think was very close. But I have to say I am not looking forward to the 20 min test ! That is going to hurt......

2010-10-25 9:04 AM
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Instead of scrapping the plan to do both HM training and cycling plan concurrently, which is what I was going to do after my long run on Saturday, I am going to reorder my training to allow for my off day on Friday.  Will see if taking my off day prior to my long run on Saturdays will all the two plans to work together.
2010-10-25 9:48 AM
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Week 2 day 1 prep is in the books!!

Have a great day,
Darrell

2010-10-26 7:35 AM
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inspectord - 2010-10-25 10:48 AM

Week 2 day 1 prep is in the books!!

Have a great day,
Darrell



Same here.  I found that I do much better staying with the right power readings if I watch TV / Netflix instead of playing Xbox.  I ran 3.5 miles first then hopped on the bike.  Wow, that made me sweat but it felt great and I don't feel any soreness in my legs yet.  Over lunch I was able to hit a 2100 yd swim, then do a chest/tri workout mid afternoon.  What a great Monday.
2010-10-26 9:18 AM
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Pector55 - 2010-10-26 8:35 AM
inspectord - 2010-10-25 10:48 AM

Week 2 day 1 prep is in the books!!

Have a great day,
Darrell



Same here.  I found that I do much better staying with the right power readings if I watch TV / Netflix instead of playing Xbox.  I ran 3.5 miles first then hopped on the bike.  Wow, that made me sweat but it felt great and I don't feel any soreness in my legs yet.  Over lunch I was able to hit a 2100 yd swim, then do a chest/tri workout mid afternoon.  What a great Monday.

I thought this was the offseason!  Great day.

I just completed week 2 day 1.  I find the shorter burst workouts (day 1) more challenging than the day 3 (longer but slightly less intense intervals).


2010-10-26 4:28 PM
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I did  the 30 min. tt today to determine my THR. It went fine and I had an average HR for the tt of 163 BPM. I feel that I can go harder as far as cardio goes, however my legs were very fatigued.  This is also the case during my races: muscle fatigue before cardio let down. Hopefully this program will be the solution. I was also questioning if I should use a lesser gear (less resistance) for the time period. I feel that it would result in a higher THR.     I'm guessing this is why using power is the prefered method.
2010-10-26 6:50 PM
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This is a great way to wake up....much better than running.  I love this program!  I can't way to see the results come spring.
2010-10-26 10:15 PM
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Subject: RE: Cycling Program v3.0 - 2010 - 2011
inspectord - 2010-10-25 10:48 AM

Week 2 day 1 prep is in the books!!

Have a great day,
Darrell



x2, ready for the testing next week to get some accurate numbers
2010-10-27 4:20 AM
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Subject: RE: Cycling Program v3.0 - 2010 - 2011
Week 2, day 1 is done for us.  I'm really enjoying having my Powertap!  I haven't done a test so I'm just guessing at the %'s of FTP for the intervals but at least it gives me a target to try to stick to and keep me honest.

After I did the workout last night, I tried to download it into WKO+ but it just kept telling me there was no workout found, has anyone ever seen that?  I tried reconnecting and restarting everything but nothing would work.  I'm wondering if it's the battery in the LYC as the display is a little dim and at the start last night, it suddenly went blank for a minute or so before coming back to life.  Also during the workout, the bottom display would say "data" (I think) every few minutes.
2010-10-27 7:44 AM
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Subject: RE: Cycling Program v3.0 - 2010 - 2011
Might have thrown a spanner in the works. Took a half day on Monday and did 55 miles for my long ride. Haven't been back on the bike again yet - my thighs hurt. Glorious ride though. Going to try week 2 day 1 tonight.


2010-10-27 10:07 AM
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Jorge, were you still planning on doing some sort of spreadsheet for the workouts as some folks had requested in the other thread or do we just look to your blog each weekend for the next workouts?
2010-10-27 10:29 AM
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Subject: RE: Cycling Program v3.0 - 2010 - 2011
Folks, you can find most info regarding the program on my blog but I added a downloadable PDF guide just in case you like to have everything in one place. Check it out!
2010-10-27 10:31 AM
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axteraa - 2010-10-27 4:20 AM Week 2, day 1 is done for us.  I'm really enjoying having my Powertap!  I haven't done a test so I'm just guessing at the %'s of FTP for the intervals but at least it gives me a target to try to stick to and keep me honest.

After I did the workout last night, I tried to download it into WKO+ but it just kept telling me there was no workout found, has anyone ever seen that?  I tried reconnecting and restarting everything but nothing would work.  I'm wondering if it's the battery in the LYC as the display is a little dim and at the start last night, it suddenly went blank for a minute or so before coming back to life.  Also during the workout, the bottom display would say "data" (I think) every few minutes.


Sometimes I have trouble downloading stuff directly onto WKO+ hence I got into the routine of just downloading stuff to power agent (saris software) and exporting the file to wko or RaceDay. kinda of a PITA to do a 2 step process but it works. Still, make sure the battery on your CPU is good to go!
2010-10-27 10:36 AM
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Subject: RE: Cycling Program v3.0 - 2010 - 2011
shmeeg - 2010-10-27 10:07 AM Jorge, were you still planning on doing some sort of spreadsheet for the workouts as some folks had requested in the other thread or do we just look to your blog each weekend for the next workouts?


Sorry but I won't have the plan available in a spreadsheet at the moment. I know it would be easier for everyone but I want to still have certain control over the info provided and keep the venue at getting it via the blog. I know it is a hassle but considering it is a free program I hope you guys understand!
2010-10-27 11:16 AM
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Subject: RE: Cycling Program v3.0 - 2010 - 2011
JorgeM - 2010-10-27 12:31 PM
axteraa - 2010-10-27 4:20 AM Week 2, day 1 is done for us.  I'm really enjoying having my Powertap!  I haven't done a test so I'm just guessing at the %'s of FTP for the intervals but at least it gives me a target to try to stick to and keep me honest.

After I did the workout last night, I tried to download it into WKO+ but it just kept telling me there was no workout found, has anyone ever seen that?  I tried reconnecting and restarting everything but nothing would work.  I'm wondering if it's the battery in the LYC as the display is a little dim and at the start last night, it suddenly went blank for a minute or so before coming back to life.  Also during the workout, the bottom display would say "data" (I think) every few minutes.


Sometimes I have trouble downloading stuff directly onto WKO+ hence I got into the routine of just downloading stuff to power agent (saris software) and exporting the file to wko or RaceDay. kinda of a PITA to do a 2 step process but it works. Still, make sure the battery on your CPU is good to go!


I tried power agent too.    Finally found the right battery this afternoon after going to 3 different stores - will give it a shot tonight.


2010-10-27 11:18 AM
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Subject: RE: Cycling Program v3.0 - 2010 - 2011
Everyone - I created a Google Docs spreadsheet to track improvements (for power and HRM/RPE) over the duration of the plan. That way you each can track your improvements over time but also, as a group, we can see how we are doing together and motivate each other to train consistent.

For those using HRM/RPE it might be a bit trickier as we'll track it based on speed but it will be imperative to test under the same conditions (trainer resistance, tire pressure, etc) to avoid skewing the results. Failing to do so will make tracking improvements very tough, though at the end of the day, this is more for reference than anything else.

If you want access to the spreadsheet just email me at [email protected]
2010-10-27 11:21 AM
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Sorry but I won't have the plan available in a spreadsheet at the moment. I know it would be easier for everyone but I want to still have certain control over the info provided and keep the venue at getting it via the blog. I know it is a hassle but considering it is a free program I hope you guys understand!


No worries, it's easy enough to get it off the blog.
2010-10-27 11:59 AM
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Subject: RE: Cycling Program v3.0 - 2010 - 2011
JorgeM - 2010-10-27 12:29 PM Folks, you can find most info regarding the program on my blog but I added a downloadable PDF guide just in case you like to have everything in one place. Check it out!


Thanks for the PDF Jorge - that helps a lot!
2010-10-27 11:08 PM
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Subject: RE: Cycling Program v3.0 - 2010 - 2011
Done with day 2 week 2 prep. This was by far the hardest work out to date but I'm finally getting the feeling for RPE while loosely watching my heart rate monitor since I don't have anything solid to go off of yet. 

Darrell 
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