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2016-01-06 12:35 PM
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Originally posted by Murph333 ...only problem is I couldn't swim... like really couldn't swim. Had to take learn to swim classes for Adults....

Hi Steven - that is actually really great that you started out that way. Most don't, and like me spend YEARS unlearning a lot of bad stuff. I still am, even after swimming for half my life. It is a journey.



2016-01-06 12:38 PM
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Originally posted by quincyf What is your bib number so I can track you? I'm crazy excited for your race, and I don't even know you! (awkward stalker moment?). Good luck!

I love it

My bib number is 1554.  I assume they'll have the typical live tracking on Ironman's website, but I know the RD has set up for ChronoTracking through ironmanpucon.com's website.

Had a really nice (short) run last night, a good swim this morning (main set was 7x200 with 50 fast/strong and then 150 settling into HIM effort), and have another short run this afternoon.  I fly out at 9:30pm my time -- hoping to be able to sleep on the plane.

Safe travels, Nicole, and good luck getting some rest. Awesome that you are racing this time of the year (although I can't imagine myself trying to get ready for it!) It will be fun to track you and should be very motivational  for those of us (ah-hem, raises hand) who might just not be in our best race shape just after the holidays...

2016-01-06 12:47 PM
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Originally posted by marcag
Originally posted by Jason N

Marc, can you refresh my memory on how offset differences impact wattage readings?  If I started at -350, did not back pedal then took an offset reading of -290, what does that mean?  I'm crossing my fingers that you're going to tell me that the efforts I was doing right before the -290 reading was actually displaying 20 watts low.  Because I had a pretty epic blow up attempting 5x5'.  Took the reading and back pedaled after the third rep, but by then I was fried. 

So there was a difference of 60units so that is 20watts and yes, it was reading 20watts low.

Marc - is the maths linear, or is it more complicated than that? Jason, when you do upgrade to a newer PM I have found there to be much, much less offset drift during a ride than there used to be with my older quarq models. I assume it is because they do better internal temperature compensation either via hardware or firmware, but Marc will probably know better if this is actually the case.

2016-01-06 1:01 PM
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... I think we caught up at Chattanooga OLY this past year didn't we?  You did the bike leg of the relay?  Most of that weekend is a bit of a beer induced cloud as it was our annual Team road trip.  You doing the Mount Mitchell ride this year?  Definitely on my "to do" list.

We did see each other in Chattanooga, but for the life of me I am not sure how - you spotted me and shouted at me in transition as you were either going in or out - cant remember. But CLEARLY an indication you were not going hard enough - ha-ha!

As I could not swim or run at that time I swapped my entry over to a relay, and it turned out to be the best FTP test I have ever done. in all seriousness I would do it again just for that purpose. As you know the race was a time trial start. They put the relay teams first, and then the elites, then the age groupers behind. Our swimmer (my coach) holds the course record for the swim, so I knew I would be set pretty well on the bike, and my number one goal was to not get caught by the elite males. I did get caught by the first guy with about three miles to go, but it was awesome to be out in front of the race with the police lead out. My only problem is that at first I kept subconsciously trying to catch the motorcycle and that eventually got me blown up just a little. Other than that it was the best FTP test ever, and I seriously would do it again just for that reason. I could barely make it from the dismount line to our runner, and It took me hours to be able to walk somewhat normally after that ride. It was actually the highlight of my race season!

2016-01-06 1:02 PM
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Originally posted by SenatorClayDavis I'm using a Power2Max type-S meter. So far so good. I'm in the final week of trainerroad's "sweet-spot base part 1" so I'll be retesting my FTP next week. Will be interesting to see what 6 weeks of structured training has done for my FTP... I'm currently contemplating what my target wattage will be for that trial.

I also use Power2Max but the Classic model.  No complaints, but after reading Jason N's post above I wasn't aware that a PM's reading could drift during a ride.

Is this specific to Quarq or should I be aware of this for the Power2Max?

2016-01-06 1:10 PM
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Originally posted by marcag
Originally posted by Jason N

Marc, can you refresh my memory on how offset differences impact wattage readings?  If I started at -350, did not back pedal then took an offset reading of -290, what does that mean?  I'm crossing my fingers that you're going to tell me that the efforts I was doing right before the -290 reading was actually displaying 20 watts low.  Because I had a pretty epic blow up attempting 5x5'.  Took the reading and back pedaled after the third rep, but by then I was fried. 

So there was a difference of 60units so that is 20watts and yes, it was reading 20watts low.

Marc - is the maths linear, or is it more complicated than that? Jason, when you do upgrade to a newer PM I have found there to be much, much less offset drift during a ride than there used to be with my older quarq models. I assume it is because they do better internal temperature compensation either via hardware or firmware, but Marc will probably know better if this is actually the case.





IIRC it's 1/32 N-m per unit so it's roughly 3w per unit at 90rpm, so it is a little dependant on cadence. But I use 3w per unit.

As for the new units, they do 2 things. One was that the initial measurement was off and a firmware fix fixed that. The 2nd fix was the temperature compensation. My newest Quarq is about 12w less than my original. Unfortunately the new one is right :-(


2016-01-06 1:13 PM
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Randy, you ride eMotion rollers, correct? Do you have the ones with a resistance unit, or do you also ride a regular trainer for prescribed interval workouts? I rode rollers all the time years ago, and would be interested in trying them out again if eMotion could every get their "smart" unit for sale in the US.

Rusty-you are right. Yes, the set I have has the magnetic resistance with a wireless controller.  I have never had any problems pushing hard on the rollers for intervals since they are set up to have some movement and have a solid resistance set up.  Can't hit the same power in an all out sprint because the rear tire just doesn't have the same level of friction on the rear roller that it would  on the road.  I am interested in the "smart" unit that they continue to promise on the website.  May bite the bullet if I can add it to current set up.  I do almost all of my rides on the rollers other than on the weekend when I can get outside or if I can peal away from work on a pretty day during the week.

In Chattanooga I remember yelling at you when I was headed out onto the run.  Pretty sure we must have talked at some point after because I remember you telling me about leading on the bike until the last few miles.  Your memory issue was due to over exertion while mine is probably related to post race over indulgence.  

2016-01-06 1:15 PM
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Originally posted by SenatorClayDavis I'm using a Power2Max type-S meter. So far so good. I'm in the final week of trainerroad's "sweet-spot base part 1" so I'll be retesting my FTP next week. Will be interesting to see what 6 weeks of structured training has done for my FTP... I'm currently contemplating what my target wattage will be for that trial.

I also use Power2Max but the Classic model.  No complaints, but after reading Jason N's post above I wasn't aware that a PM's reading could drift during a ride.

Is this specific to Quarq or should I be aware of this for the Power2Max?

As Rusty mentioned above, the newer models like the Quarq Riken and I think even the P2M classic have much better temperature adjustment on the fly.  For me, usually the drift happens within the first 15 minutes of the ride, so as long as I back pedal after I warm up, it should be okay the rest of the ride...but usually best to back pedal every hour or so.  Yesterday I just forgot...probably because I was doing my intervals on a hill, and had to climb up some of it to get to a good starting point.  Hard to back pedal when riding uphill.  

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Bio: tl;dr Version:
I have been doing this consistently for a fairly long time.
I am currently on injured reserve.
My primary focus this year is getting healthy.
I look forward to learning from so many experts in this group and am honored to be a part of it!

Bio: War and Peace Version:

NAME: Rusty - yep, that is right: a grown man with a dog's name.

STORY: I come from a bike racing background - started racing mountain bikes when they were nothing more than beach cruisers with gears. I was really, really good at it, until the sport actually became popular - then, suddenly, I was not so good any more. I actually went backwards from most at the time and purchased a road bike to cross train for mountain biking - everyone else was crossing over from road to mountain - oh! the road bikes you could buy back then for next to nothing, simply because everyone quit buying them! Of course then LeMond went and won the Tour for his second time in rather dramatic fashion, and suddenly road cycling became slightly more popular - but it took a guy named Armstrong to come along later and make road bikes really expensive again. Fast forward a bit to 1991 - I had just graduated college and fell in with some strange folks that called themselves "triathletes." My roommate and I began racing dualthlons (called biathlons back then - no skis or rifles though) with this bunch of hooligans. Throughout that first summer we would train with them, which mostly consisted of hammering group rides, hammering runs, and then drinking beer on the boat while they swam to and fro. I still remember thinking how awesome it would be to be able to actually swim from one place to another. Near the end of that first summer and late on a Friday evening one of my buddies called me up to let me know that another one of our friends would not be able to make it to a triathlon race they had all signed up for, and wanted to know if I was interested. I laughed, as the extent of my swimming up to that point was basically from the back of the boat to the end of the ski rope. However I was easily convinced that I could do it when he told me the swim would only be 400 yards. Had he told me it would be a quarter of a mile, I most likely would not be typing this right now, but 400 yards on the other hand just didn't seem that far. Needless to say I did the race, and was 12th to last out of the water. I know this because the 12 of us dog paddled the entire course together at a nice conversational pace. The conversation went something like this:

Me: "your first race?"
Them: "oh, yes!"
Me: "mine too!"

I crushed the bike, and did great on the run, and was totally hooked - both line AND sinker. I have not done a straight up bike race, and very few duathlons since. I will never forget the day when I could finally swim 1/2 a mile in less than 20 minutes. I celebrated the occasion by immediately going out and buying my first speedo, which back then was the de rigueur race suit. Ah, the good old days. Just thinking of Kenny Souza almost brings a tear to my eye...

Kenny Souza:

Me, circa 1992. See the resemblance???

Over the past 25 years I have raced regularly, often competitively, in all kinds of events: dus, tris, adventure races, mountain biking, stage races, marathons, ultras, and relays. Over the years I have been healthy, injured, overweight, under weight, wicked fast, depressingly slow, absolutely rabid for the sport, and completely burned out. I would describe myself now as rather balanced all around. On occasion I can still find myself out competing for the Weekly World Championship trophy, but am trying to be a lot smarter with my training and racing. no matter what, first and foremost, this sport hobby is FUN!

FAMILY STATUS: That roommate I mentioned earlier? we lived together for 6 years and eventually decided that we liked each other a little bit. We subsequently got married and have remained happily so for the last 19 years. My best friend is simply awesome. She races herself, so she completely gets this ridiculousness. Training and racing is a big part of our social life - not sure if we travel to race or race to travel. No kids, dogs, cats, or even a fish. A friend gave us a chia pet as a joke a couple of years ago, but it is still in its original packaging.

WORK: I am an educator and college administrator. I am the currently the Chair of the Architecture Program at Auburn University, and the Associate director of Rural Studio, our remote design/build program in West Alabama. I live in Atlanta, Georgia however, so I am on the road quite bit between it all. I am fortunate  to be both humbled and honored by the opportunity to do what I do for a living, and would even do it for free if my wife would let me!

CURRENT TRAINING: After being self-trained my whole racing life, I took on a coach five years ago, and have really enjoyed it. I like the accountability, and I have learned a tremendous amount. At 50 years old, I have found that the things that used to work no longer do, and it has been important for this old dog to learn a lot of new tricks in order to remain competitive.  The number one thing my coach has done over the years is to actually slow me down a bit and have me train a good bit less, but a whole lot smarter. I am a self-professed technology wonk - but gave it all up a few years ago as I really began to feel a little bit of a slave to it all. I got to where a poorly functioning HRM could really wreck an otherwise great workout. That said, as part of my coaching, I am completely jacked in: HR/GPS/Power - at first I did not pay much attention to it, it really just provided information for my coach. As the years have gone on and with his guidance (as well as through the guidance of many smart folks in this very group), I have come to be able to use the feedback myself as another set of data points marbled in with RPE. We don’t overtly test very much, but through constant monitoring we tend to have a more of a synthetic sense of where my numbers are. On occasion I throw all the gadgets away and simply go by feel. Call it a deep cleansing. On the whole I average slightly less that 14 hours per week of training annually.

LAST YEAR'S RACES: I came off of a breakout 2014 season in which everything went my way: I stayed 100% healthy, hit 98.6% of my workouts, and podiumed (AG or Masters) in 14 of the 15 races I entered (all but AG nationals). But 2015 year did not go as planned. I suffered a work-related elbow injury in the fall of 2014 that limited my swimming. I could manage a couple of days per week in the pool which only got me 8~9000 yards, which as an adult onset swimmer that is what I have found I need to simply maintain. That DID give me time to work on the other stuff, and I started out 2015 with a good running and cycling base, and even managed to crack 40 minutes for an open 10k during the winter, which is pretty good for me – I thought those days were long gone. I was excited for another great season. Then in my first tri of the season due to a stupid, rookie mistake I hit the ground very, very hard near the end of the bike. Garmin says I went from 31mph to zero in a hot instant. Miraculously I did not suffer a single broken bone or separations (I have had several in previous bike crashes) but I did have significant soft tissue and tendon/ligament damage. Due to injury I was unable to swim or run for a majority of the summer, but I was able to get back on the bike fairly quickly, and just worked that the best I could and commenced to trying to train myself back into race shape. I should know better, but all of that cascaded, and the week after AG nationals I found myself with a compounded knee and shoulder injuries related directly to the crash earlier in the season, along with an elbow that had regressed significantly. I threw in the towel on my fall races, and committed to focus on getting healthy, no matter how long it takes. After a solid dedicated year of PT on my elbow with no significant progress, I followed my doc’s advice and had both Tenex and PRP procedures performed acouple of months ago. That has had me out of the pool completely since then, and off the bike for a significant portion of that as well. It finally seems to be progressing (fingers crossed) and depending on my next follow-up I hope to get back in the pool in about 3 weeks. I have been back on the bike a little bit here and there for the past couple of weeks, and have been running easy but consistently since the procedure. I am on a little mini streak of 76 straight days of running. Prior I doubt if I had ever run more than three days in a row, ever. Next week my training will become much more structured, so the running streak will most likely come to an end soon.

2016 RACES:
2016 is a little up in the air pending the elbow prognosis, but the significant races I am currently signed up for are Escape from Alcatraz (I know, I know we are suppose to be boycotting it, but this was the year that a whole big group of friends committed to racing it together, so we stuck with the plan), and Chattanooga 70.3 (see you there, Randy!) I race for a local shop (Podium Multisport) and we have a lot of other local races on the team calendar to choose from. I have am also registered for a number of trail races, early season duathlons, and cycling time trials and sportifs, the most fun of which is the Assault on Mt. Mitchel. We will see how it goes, if the elbow is not ready in about a month or so I may pull the plug on swimming altogether and just be a runner/cyclist/duathlete this year.

WEIGHT LOSS GOALS: For years when faced with the inevitable question "Why do you train like you do?" my stock answer was always "so I can eat and drink whatever I want." At about 35 years old, that was revised to "so that I can drink whatever I want." At 45, even that was no longer the case. During my ironman focus a few years ago I raced at about 156lbs (I am 5'-10" tall). A couple of years ago when I turned my attention back to seeing if I could get fast again (as opposed to simply how long I could go slow) I patiently cut weight to find out where my optimum race weight might be. I dropped to 139lbs at a low, and took a significant performance hit. I eased back up to 145lbs, and found that I race very well at that weight, but it is not sustainable for more than a couple of months. I just began the process of working my way there for the late winter/early spring running and duathlon season here, and then will drift back up to around 148lbs for the remainder of tri season. After not being able to train as much as I normally would AND the holidays, I am currently at 158lbs, so I have a little bit of work to do, but know exactly how to do it.

LIMITERS: This year focusing on recovery along with my work schedule will be my limiters as far as race results. While I work and travel a lot of hours, my normal work schedule does afford me a lot of training flexibility. Every six years however academic programs like ours go through a year-long re-accreditation process, and we are just entering that cycle. It is one of my primary responsibilities to shepherd us through that process, so for the next year work will require even more time than it already does.

WHAT WOULD MAKE ME A GOOD MENTEE: OK - I make a living as a professional mentor. As such I have learned that for better or worse we spend the bulk of our life knowing all the answers and simply trying to figure out what questions we need to ask to get to the answers that we want to hear. I am here to forget the answers that I know, and to learn new questions to ask. I am wide open. Also, I am pretty scientific, but do often defer to experience over lab tests. This is a long game. As such I have always been a regular logger - I have about 10 years of paper logs followed up 15 years of digital logs. In addition to understanding that what works for me may not work for you, these logs have allowed me to see that what works for me last year may not work for me this time around. I look forward to learning from all of you - this seems to be a remarkably knowledgeable and accomplished group. My coach and I use TrainingPeaks to communicate, but I also auto-log here as well as strava if folks want to see - my logs are open. I speak with my coach several times a week, and we meet often. In my logs I sometimes include the short notes he provides when he builds my week, so they sometimes read kinda strange. I am really honored to be a part of this team.




You must of been fast back then. Darn near blew that lady's hat off!

Edited by GoldenSprocket 2016-01-06 1:17 PM
2016-01-06 1:20 PM
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Today I decided to work a little first, then get out. Just didn't want to get out in the dark again before the temps got above freezing (I know, I know, Canadians - us southerners will be complaining about the heat before you know it, hoepfully). I decide to channel a little bit of Marc and set out to do 3x7 @ 110% with 4 minute recoveries. Usually I would just "set and forget" the power targets in erg mode, but having not done any kind of hard intervals for a long time and knowing this would be tough I decided to do it a little differently than normal and did it in Zwift. The available course today is Watopia, and I set it on the "flat route." I warmed up for about 25 mintues or so, then started the first interval, working to steadily move up from rider to virtual rider, all the while watching the "time-gap" list for riders up the road. the first seven minutes flew by, as did the second. The third was tough, but I decide to give one more a go for a bonus of four total intervals. It was challenging to say the least, but I am not sure I would not have been able to complete even the third if I had simply ridden the trainer like I normally would. the forced variation in cadence due to slight undulations in the course (a little overgear mixed with a little over spinning) was great, as well as the challenge of chasing riders up the road coupled with pressure from guys sitting on in the draft. Up to now I have mostly just noodled around in zwift, attacking sprint zones and KOMs, or dropping into a race here or there. I have been completely surprised how much I actually enjoy it, and (at least this time) how it can coax me in to putting in harder efforts than I think I may be capable - very similar to group rides.

Anyone else in the group zwifting?

2016-01-06 1:25 PM
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Subject: RE: Slornow and Wannabefaster's mentor group..."We're back!"

Originally posted by GoldenSprocket You must of been fast back then. Darn near blew that lady's hat off!

Ha-Ha, Kevin - too funny! But no, I think she was actually just lowering her hat to cover her eyes....



2016-01-06 1:30 PM
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Originally posted by TankBoy

Today I decided to work a little first, then get out. Just didn't want to get out in the dark again before the temps got above freezing (I know, I know, Canadians - us southerners will be complaining about the heat before you know it, hoepfully). I decide to channel a little bit of Marc and set out to do 3x7 @ 110% with 4 minute recoveries. Usually I would just "set and forget" the power targets in erg mode, but having not done any kind of hard intervals for a long time and knowing this would be tough I decided to do it a little differently than normal and did it in Zwift. The available course today is Watopia, and I set it on the "flat route." I warmed up for about 25 mintues or so, then started the first interval, working to steadily move up from rider to virtual rider, all the while watching the "time-gap" list for riders up the road. the first seven minutes flew by, as did the second. The third was tough, but I decide to give one more a go for a bonus of four total intervals. It was challenging to say the least, but I am not sure I would not have been able to complete even the third if I had simply ridden the trainer like I normally would. the forced variation in cadence due to slight undulations in the course (a little overgear mixed with a little over spinning) was great, as well as the challenge of chasing riders up the road coupled with pressure from guys sitting on in the draft. Up to now I have mostly just noodled around in zwift, attacking sprint zones and KOMs, or dropping into a race here or there. I have been completely surprised how much I actually enjoy it, and (at least this time) how it can coax me in to putting in harder efforts than I think I may be capable - very similar to group rides.

Anyone else in the group zwifting?

That sounds awesome.  I made it into the beta testing group ages ago but my computer was too old and I couldn't get it to work (outdated video card?).  We have a new laptop so I'm going to look into it again.  Sounds like a great distraction from the hurt!

2016-01-06 2:11 PM
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Subject: RE: Slornow and Wannabefaster's mentor group..."We're back!"
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Originally posted by Scott71

Originally posted by SenatorClayDavis I'm using a Power2Max type-S meter. So far so good. I'm in the final week of trainerroad's "sweet-spot base part 1" so I'll be retesting my FTP next week. Will be interesting to see what 6 weeks of structured training has done for my FTP... I'm currently contemplating what my target wattage will be for that trial.

I also use Power2Max but the Classic model.  No complaints, but after reading Jason N's post above I wasn't aware that a PM's reading could drift during a ride.

Is this specific to Quarq or should I be aware of this for the Power2Max?

As Rusty mentioned above, the newer models like the Quarq Riken and I think even the P2M classic have much better temperature adjustment on the fly.  For me, usually the drift happens within the first 15 minutes of the ride, so as long as I back pedal after I warm up, it should be okay the rest of the ride...but usually best to back pedal every hour or so.  Yesterday I just forgot...probably because I was doing my intervals on a hill, and had to climb up some of it to get to a good starting point.  Hard to back pedal when riding uphill.  




Scott, also the P2M autozeros if you stop pedalling 2sec
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OMG "Chasing the motorcycle" is my new slang for riding too hard on the bike.
2016-01-06 3:26 PM
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RANDY AND JASON ARE BACK!!

(how did I miss 5 pages already?)

Room for me?
2016-01-06 3:39 PM
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Originally posted by Murph333 ...only problem is I couldn't swim... like really couldn't swim. Had to take learn to swim classes for Adults....

Hi Steven - that is actually really great that you started out that way. Most don't, and like me spend YEARS unlearning a lot of bad stuff. I still am, even after swimming for half my life. It is a journey.




Well I guess that's one way to look at it haha,

felt very strange standing in the shallow end of the pool while little kids are swimming in the deep end.


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Originally posted by mtnbikerchk RANDY AND JASON ARE BACK!! (how did I miss 5 pages already?) Room for me?

Sure, we always have room for a legacy!  Post a bio when you can.

2016-01-06 6:09 PM
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Here's a question for those who are experienced in using data for training.

I've been training on the bike with a power meter for two months now. I'm following the Trainerroad plans and intend to stick with the program for the season (base, build, and race-specific phases). I haven't really been "using" the data all that much - I look at the files that Trainerroad shows after each ride, but that's about it. For now I'm just doing what the program tells me without any real analysis. Up to this point I've used BT for a training log and GarminConnect to look at data from rides/runs (though at this point in the season with everything indoors there's not much data to really look at).

So my question is, what should I really expect to get out of something like TrainingPeaks or Golden Cheetah? Is it really all that important to track overall TSS, for example? Am I going to get much better data than I'm already getting from Garmin or Trainerroad? Basically, is getting a TrainingPeaks account, for example, something I'll find useful and regret not doing earlier, or is it just an alternative to what I'm already doing?
2016-01-06 6:34 PM
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Data is only useful if you know what to do with it.  Data itself...isn't really anything but numbers.  I use trainingpeaks (as well as my coach) to analyze my power files and track TSS.  I've only been coached for 2 months now, and prior to that I have been using some form of software to monitor my power files for the last 6 years.

For now, being that you are new to power, the most important thing is that you at least save all your workout files for historical reference.  Do not delete them even if you feel you have no use for them now.  You may have use for them later if you (or someone else like a coach) wants to see how your workouts have progressed week to week, month to month, season to season.

During off season, I don't think it's that critical to track TSS that much.  You generally see more worth as you approach races so you can balance your training load high enough for maximum fitness, while also managing recovery so you feel fresh.  As you get more into the data though, you can track season to season and how you performed based on your performance management chart.

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Subject: RE: Slornow and Wannabefaster's mentor group..."We're back!"
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Originally posted by jimmyb Hi Guys! I'm still at it. Finally got into Kona for 2016 (via Legacy, no I'm still not even close to doing it by time). Would love to work with you guys again if there is still room. Jim

 

Hey Jim-I think we will close the group with your entry.  Will be great to follow you on your road to Kona!




I think that Stuart (StuartAp) will be joining up here soon. I don't know if we have a true fish in the group so it would be wise to have him join. Heck, he is such a good guy that it would be wise to let him in even if he couldn't swim a stroke.

And of course, Randee, you are absolutely welcome.

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Originally posted by SenatorClayDavis Here's a question for those who are experienced in using data for training. I've been training on the bike with a power meter for two months now. I'm following the Trainerroad plans and intend to stick with the program for the season (base, build, and race-specific phases). I haven't really been "using" the data all that much - I look at the files that Trainerroad shows after each ride, but that's about it. For now I'm just doing what the program tells me without any real analysis. Up to this point I've used BT for a training log and GarminConnect to look at data from rides/runs (though at this point in the season with everything indoors there's not much data to really look at). So my question is, what should I really expect to get out of something like TrainingPeaks or Golden Cheetah? Is it really all that important to track overall TSS, for example? Am I going to get much better data than I'm already getting from Garmin or Trainerroad? Basically, is getting a TrainingPeaks account, for example, something I'll find useful and regret not doing earlier, or is it just an alternative to what I'm already doing?

 

I have been using Raceday Apollo Software which was developed by Dr. Phil Skiba.  This is how my coach delivered and reviewed my workouts.  I like the program and it calculates a TSS for swim, bike and run based on numbers you set as critical power, threshold pace /HR for the run and threshold pace for the swim.  It also generates graphs to show when you should be peaking based on inputed workouts.  I like it and Jason A. also uses it as we have used the same coach.  Not sure how much it is now but I think it was previously a one time payment of $99.  http://physfarm.com/new/



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Subject: RE: Slornow and Wannabefaster's mentor group..."We're back!"
I thought this was a cool post about swimming:

http://theraceclub.com/aqua-notes/swimming-finesse/

I'm always trying to find the magic that will make me fast(er) on my current volume.




I use a PT power meter but as a true technophobe, most of Jason and Marc's conversation about offset is lost on me.......

I recently bought a new Garmin 520 and it synced up with my training wheel. I then updated the software and it cannot seem to find the PT unit now. It keeps telling me to "wake up your sensor to begin pairing." I have changed the batteries in my hub. Any thoughts from the smart guys here?
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Originally posted by wannabefaster I I use a PT power meter but as a true technophobe, most of Jason and Marc's conversation about offset is lost on me....... I recently bought a new Garmin 520 and it synced up with my training wheel. I then updated the software and it cannot seem to find the PT unit now. It keeps telling me to "wake up your sensor to begin pairing." I have changed the batteries in my hub. Any thoughts from the smart guys here?

The great thing about PT hubs is that they do a self offset every time you coast.  When I was using my PT, pretty much never had an issue with power drifts.

For pairing, I know you at least need to spin the wheel a few times to "wake up" the PT.  If you're bike has been sitting still for say 15 minutes and you power on your bike computer, it won't connect until you spin the wheel and activate the speed/cadence sensor built into the PT.  Same goes for my Quarq.  You need to spin the cranks a few times so the cadence sensor activates and knows to "wake up."  It's just a way to save battery life so that your PM is not constantly broadcasting 0 watts over ANT+ even while you're sleeping.

If you have already spun the wheel and it still won't pair...then I'm not sure what the issue might be.  Batteries is usually my first guess, but seems like you have already hit that route.  Maybe you put the batteries in backwards?  Does your previous computer/watch still pair?

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Thanks guys for letting me in for another round! I will post a bio soon. I'm excited to learn from everyone! Just got home from 12 hour shift and got my run in. I'm using my coaches training plan thru the winter and for the rest of 2016. I've decided to turn over all the thinking part of the training to him, and I will simply just do what he says! More later, Jim
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Name: Jim Barron, Age 50 yrs

Story: I partied in High School but did play Varsity Golf (not very strenuous ). No athletics at all but I did like to run from time to time. I graduated medical school in 1994 and entered full-time into the Navy. I served till 2002. I was assigned as medical support to Marines, and at that time I decided I better get my a** in shape. I have never turned back since. I have since completed multiple marathons and 16 IM's. I consider myself FOBOP (front of back of pack). My most recent IM was Boulder in 2015 (13:30) and AZ last November (12:30). I do tri's purely for the love of it. I have now received confirmation of my Legacy spot for Kona 2016. I finally hired a coach in August 2015, one that others in this group use, to help me train smarter, not harder. My two goals for this year are: 1) to have my best performance ever at Kona, and 2) to not lose my wonderful girlfriend Cassie (and finance if she says yes), as a result of my training.

I work as a Hospitalist (Internal Medicine Doc who works only in the inpatient setting). I now travel and the majority of my time over the last year has been living in hotels or short term apartments. I love to travel. I still manage to get training done with use of a trainer, and the local YMCA's or Planet Fitness.

Family: I have 2 wonderful children, Drew (19) is a Navy Corpsman in Naples, Italy, and Kyle (21) is a computer software engineer in his final year at UC San Diego. As mentioned, my SO Cassie is now entering my more into my life. She was my Sherpa at IM AZ and did an amazing job, especially considering she never does S/B/R, but she is an active Rodeo Rider.

Current Training: My coach tells me what to do week to week and I follow. I'm not always able to do every session, but since August I've completed >95% of what he asks. I have power tap pedals for the bike, and a Wahoo Kickr. Over the last few years I average 7-10 hrs a week, plus/minus depending on time of season. I enjoy training with my best friend and inspiration Rebecca when I am in town. My biggest challenge with training is work, as often my 12 hr shifts become much longer.

This Years Races: IM Boulder in August, and Kona in October. Looking to fill in the gaps with smaller tri's. Boulder may not happen if I get married. Will see.

Weight Loss: Would to shave about 10-15 lbs. I'm 6'1" 185 #.

I can attest that this group is fantastic and the mentors have lots to offer. They walk the walk and lead by example. I look forward to getting to know everyone and learning!! Jim
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