Manatee Mentors 2015.2 CLOSED (Poptarts? Pet pics?) (Page 50)

love to help, but I don't even know what " feedly" is!!

I clicked the RSS logo on her page and pasted that URL into Feedly.  I think that it was in the lower left on the sidebar.

Gotcha. 

I know that you were hoping for puppies.  Sorry that may not be in the cards this year.

Regarding the 12k and beyond.  Yes, I think that the 12k in 8 weeks is reasonable, provided that you are intelligent about building your distance/endurance. 22 weeks for the marathon is also doable with your goal in mind, provided that you are committed to getting the workouts in.  Be smart about your build and be consistent with your training.

I agree with everything Janyne said 

That worked. Thanks!

Sean's No Label Triathlon race report was listed as one of the 3 "Epic Race Reports" in the BT email I just received.  Nice job Sean!

Originally posted by StaceyK

Originally posted by jmkizer

Originally posted by StaceyK Great job on the racing and other cool activities on the weekends Manatees. I spent Saturday morning at the vet seeing if we are having puppies, it doesn't look like it but we will do a followup ultrasound on Thursday to be sure that there aren't one or two little munchkins hiding in there somewhere. I then spent most of the rest of the day sleeping. I had to work on Sunday setting up for our annual Church Easter Convention. The good news is that with the audit finished and getting some sleep I almost feel like I have my feet back under me now, not that I am not busy but it is a manageable busy instead of a frantic busy. I also got a run in this morning which was great. Well mentally it felt great, physically less so but not as bad as I expected. With the prospect of not having puppies I have started to look more seriously at what I am going to do training and event wise now that the tri season is basically finished here. I have 8 weeks (almost) until the 12k that I had penciled in and 22 weeks until the marathon I was thinking of doing (with a goal of finishing). Do you think that those are realistic time frames. I think at present I could knock out a 5km without too much pain and injury risk. It would be slow but manageable. what are your thoughts? My plan is to run 6 days a week using the Barry P 3-2-1 structure, starting this week with a 30 minute long run.

I know that you were hoping for puppies.  Sorry that may not be in the cards this year.

Regarding the 12k and beyond.  Yes, I think that the 12k in 8 weeks is reasonable, provided that you are intelligent about building your distance/endurance. 22 weeks for the marathon is also doable with your goal in mind, provided that you are committed to getting the workouts in.  Be smart about your build and be consistent with your training.

so if you had a 20 week beginner marathon plan that was set up so you ran 4 days a week, but you wanted to do the BarryP 3-2-1 and run 6 days would you: a) take the total weekly mileage from the plan and divide it by 10 and do the BarryP thing; or b) take the distance of the long run in the plan and use that as the distance of your long run in the BarryP plan; or c) scrap that idea and do something totally differnt to work out your BarryP numbers? (I like the BarryP idea, I don't know why I just do for some reason it resonates with me.) Also what should your longest long run be before a marathon? 40k, 36k, 32k? (These numbers all come from plans I have looked at) or does the length of your long run matter less than the weekly Kms that you do? If weekly mileage is more important what do you think a beginners maximum weekly mileage should be before the race? So many questions good job I have the Manatees to help me

I am certainly no expert when it  comes to the various plans but here is my two cents:

The BarryP (as I understand it) gives you numbers that look like this:

If you go with 3 x4, 2 x 8, 1 x 12 for a total of 40 miles that provides pretty good total mileage but is a little low for the long run.  If you go by the rule of thumb that the long run shouldn't be more than 25% of your weekly mileage this is close to that but again I think leaves the long run a little short. 

If you ramp that up to 3 x 6, 2 x 12, 1 x 18 for a total of 60 miles that is a lot of workload that I think takes a fair amount of time to build up to.  I would have a really hard time getting this many miles in during a week.  I also would have a hard time recovering from 12,12,18.  My preference is to do as many shorter runs as you can get in with maybe one quality session, one medium long, and one long run.  I think many would argue the quality session isn't necessary but I think it is good to throw in a mild tempo run or some hill work for strength.

From my experience of NOT doing the right thing, I've had adequate to finish but not to excel weekly mileage with long runs that have averaged 13-15 miles.  What this has allowed me to do is to get out to 18-22 miles in a marathon ok but has left me unable to really finish well from there.  I think it is important to get out to that 18-20 mile mark in training a least a few times. 

The other thing that I've struggled with is how to fit this higher mileage in if you are swimming and biking.  I have found that I really can't and if I ramp up to 40-60 miles the biking just isn't going to happen.  I can still squeeze the swimming in but I just don't have the time during the week for that kind of mileage.

Just got my new UnderwaterAudio iPod.  Going to swim with it tonight and am psyched!  This plus a Garmin that counts laps (I can't count past 3 when I'm in the pool) have transformed my enjoyment in/of the pool.

My last one made it a couple years, and I've had to **GASP** swim my last 2 workouts without tunes.

First world problems. 

Got one for The Better Half, too, as I had actually been using hers the last year or so.    Her hip is recently injured (not sure how, yet, but is intra-articular on exam... which means she needs to go to a real doctor and then we'll see), so I might have another pool-buddy along with DD and DS2!  I sure hope her hip is fine, and I think she miiiiiight even get in the pool even so.

Matt

Originally posted by StaceyK

Originally posted by jmkizer

Originally posted by StaceyK Great job on the racing and other cool activities on the weekends Manatees. I spent Saturday morning at the vet seeing if we are having puppies, it doesn't look like it but we will do a followup ultrasound on Thursday to be sure that there aren't one or two little munchkins hiding in there somewhere. I then spent most of the rest of the day sleeping. I had to work on Sunday setting up for our annual Church Easter Convention. The good news is that with the audit finished and getting some sleep I almost feel like I have my feet back under me now, not that I am not busy but it is a manageable busy instead of a frantic busy. I also got a run in this morning which was great. Well mentally it felt great, physically less so but not as bad as I expected. With the prospect of not having puppies I have started to look more seriously at what I am going to do training and event wise now that the tri season is basically finished here. I have 8 weeks (almost) until the 12k that I had penciled in and 22 weeks until the marathon I was thinking of doing (with a goal of finishing). Do you think that those are realistic time frames. I think at present I could knock out a 5km without too much pain and injury risk. It would be slow but manageable. what are your thoughts? My plan is to run 6 days a week using the Barry P 3-2-1 structure, starting this week with a 30 minute long run.

I know that you were hoping for puppies.  Sorry that may not be in the cards this year.

Regarding the 12k and beyond.  Yes, I think that the 12k in 8 weeks is reasonable, provided that you are intelligent about building your distance/endurance. 22 weeks for the marathon is also doable with your goal in mind, provided that you are committed to getting the workouts in.  Be smart about your build and be consistent with your training.

so if you had a 20 week beginner marathon plan that was set up so you ran 4 days a week, but you wanted to do the BarryP 3-2-1 and run 6 days would you: a) take the total weekly mileage from the plan and divide it by 10 and do the BarryP thing; or b) take the distance of the long run in the plan and use that as the distance of your long run in the BarryP plan; or c) scrap that idea and do something totally differnt to work out your BarryP numbers? (I like the BarryP idea, I don't know why I just do for some reason it resonates with me.) Also what should your longest long run be before a marathon? 40k, 36k, 32k? (These numbers all come from plans I have looked at) or does the length of your long run matter less than the weekly Kms that you do? If weekly mileage is more important what do you think a beginners maximum weekly mileage should be before the race? So many questions good job I have the Manatees to help me

I don't know enough about BarryP's plan to answer your questions.  I kind of thought that it was more of a maintenance plan than a race-specific plan, is that not correct?  If it is a maintenance plan, then definitely go with a beginner marathon plan -- something with the longest run in the neighborhood of 18 (29k) or 20 (32k) and running 4-5 times per week.  I think a total weekly mileage in the 40-50 range would be on track (65-80k). 

I hope that Kim heals up quickly!

Originally posted by jmkizer

Originally posted by StaceyK

Originally posted by jmkizer

Originally posted by StaceyK Great job on the racing and other cool activities on the weekends Manatees. I spent Saturday morning at the vet seeing if we are having puppies, it doesn't look like it but we will do a followup ultrasound on Thursday to be sure that there aren't one or two little munchkins hiding in there somewhere. I then spent most of the rest of the day sleeping. I had to work on Sunday setting up for our annual Church Easter Convention. The good news is that with the audit finished and getting some sleep I almost feel like I have my feet back under me now, not that I am not busy but it is a manageable busy instead of a frantic busy. I also got a run in this morning which was great. Well mentally it felt great, physically less so but not as bad as I expected. With the prospect of not having puppies I have started to look more seriously at what I am going to do training and event wise now that the tri season is basically finished here. I have 8 weeks (almost) until the 12k that I had penciled in and 22 weeks until the marathon I was thinking of doing (with a goal of finishing). Do you think that those are realistic time frames. I think at present I could knock out a 5km without too much pain and injury risk. It would be slow but manageable. what are your thoughts? My plan is to run 6 days a week using the Barry P 3-2-1 structure, starting this week with a 30 minute long run.

I know that you were hoping for puppies.  Sorry that may not be in the cards this year.

Regarding the 12k and beyond.  Yes, I think that the 12k in 8 weeks is reasonable, provided that you are intelligent about building your distance/endurance. 22 weeks for the marathon is also doable with your goal in mind, provided that you are committed to getting the workouts in.  Be smart about your build and be consistent with your training.

so if you had a 20 week beginner marathon plan that was set up so you ran 4 days a week, but you wanted to do the BarryP 3-2-1 and run 6 days would you: a) take the total weekly mileage from the plan and divide it by 10 and do the BarryP thing; or b) take the distance of the long run in the plan and use that as the distance of your long run in the BarryP plan; or c) scrap that idea and do something totally differnt to work out your BarryP numbers? (I like the BarryP idea, I don't know why I just do for some reason it resonates with me.) Also what should your longest long run be before a marathon? 40k, 36k, 32k? (These numbers all come from plans I have looked at) or does the length of your long run matter less than the weekly Kms that you do? If weekly mileage is more important what do you think a beginners maximum weekly mileage should be before the race? So many questions good job I have the Manatees to help me

I don't know enough about BarryP's plan to answer your questions.  I kind of thought that it was more of a maintenance plan than a race-specific plan, is that not correct?  If it is a maintenance plan, then definitely go with a beginner marathon plan -- something with the longest run in the neighborhood of 18 (29k) or 20 (32k) and running 4-5 times per week.  I think a total weekly mileage in the 40-50 range would be on track (65-80k). 

BarryP is more of a training concept or theology than a specific plan you're used to seeing. It's definitely more than maintenance. Some use it for that, but others can push their running way up by following it. The basic thing that most need to get from it first is the distribution of the mileage to run frequently. From there you can build it up into a variety of things be it short course, long course, or general aerobic fitness. The general aerobic fitness isn't necessarily just running a bunch of miles, but hitting where you need to develop all around the aerobic system. Not all faster work is the same. Many just stop with the mileage distribution and increase them, but it can do a lot more than that. This latter part is also where it may be a bit much for someone to manage without some knowledge or experience.

Originally posted by Jet Black

Originally posted by mcmanusclan5

Just got my new UnderwaterAudio iPod.  Going to swim with it tonight and am psyched!  This plus a Garmin that counts laps (I can't count past 3 when I'm in the pool) have transformed my enjoyment in/of the pool.

My last one made it a couple years, and I've had to **GASP** swim my last 2 workouts without tunes.

First world problems. 

Got one for The Better Half, too, as I had actually been using hers the last year or so.    Her hip is recently injured (not sure how, yet, but is intra-articular on exam... which means she needs to go to a real doctor and then we'll see), so I might have another pool-buddy along with DD and DS2!  I sure hope her hip is fine, and I think she miiiiiight even get in the pool even so.

Matt

I guess I'm into torture, I don't even run with music anymore. I do love the lap count feature of the garmin though, that is a critical piece of kit for me now. I hope the extent of your wife's injury is minimal and that she's able to get back at it soon. And for your sake I hope she convinces herself to get into the pool.

Talk about torture, seems like all my gadgets are breaking.  Some of these things just are not meant to last.

I love my Swimp3 especially while swimming in the local lake.  The water is not very clear so without it it's like running on a treadmill with your eyes closed.  I've been using it for about six years and I think I am on my sixth unit.  It just quit on me AGAIN.  Arghhh!!

I also have a Sportcount finger watch/lap counter and my fourth one quit several weeks ago.  Got a new one and it died after one use.  Argghhhh!!!

My Cat-eye is also on its last legs.  I have been meaning to get a Garmin 500 but just haven't yet.

The MP3 player I run with broke months ago and I just figured I'd go back to enjoying the sounds of the surroundings.

Anyone else experience short product lives with your gadgets?

Yeah, probably reasonable guidelines to help you out since this is a stretch to get to, correct? I'm trying to remember if you've run that much on a consistent basis before.

Originally posted by StaceyK

Originally posted by brigby1

Originally posted by StaceyK Thanks for the run advice guys (even though I am more confused now) I know I need to find a plan and just go with it, but as this is something I haven't done before I'm nervous about choosing the right one. (I have never trained with a plan). I found an okish beginner marathon plan last night that has it's longest long run as 32k (20 miles) and it's highest volume weeks are 71k (44miles) so this would fit with Janyne's suggestion. It varies between running 4 or 5 days a week. I guess I should just start with it and see how I go. It is a 20 week plan and I have 22 weeks until the race so I can add in a couple of weeks to the initial build stage which I think will make it better for me.

Yeah, probably reasonable guidelines to help you out since this is a stretch to get to, correct? I'm trying to remember if you've run that much on a consistent basis before.

I have done nothing on a consistent basis at anytime in my life, unless you count sitting on the couch watching TV and eating chocolate - I am very consistent at those two things Doing this will be a real stretch for me but I have decided that it is time for me to start keeping the promises that I make to myself, not just those that I make to others.

That is very important.

Originally posted by amd723

Originally posted by StaceyK

Originally posted by brigby1

Originally posted by StaceyK Thanks for the run advice guys (even though I am more confused now) I know I need to find a plan and just go with it, but as this is something I haven't done before I'm nervous about choosing the right one. (I have never trained with a plan). I found an okish beginner marathon plan last night that has it's longest long run as 32k (20 miles) and it's highest volume weeks are 71k (44miles) so this would fit with Janyne's suggestion. It varies between running 4 or 5 days a week. I guess I should just start with it and see how I go. It is a 20 week plan and I have 22 weeks until the race so I can add in a couple of weeks to the initial build stage which I think will make it better for me.

Yeah, probably reasonable guidelines to help you out since this is a stretch to get to, correct? I'm trying to remember if you've run that much on a consistent basis before.

I have done nothing on a consistent basis at anytime in my life, unless you count sitting on the couch watching TV and eating chocolate - I am very consistent at those two things Doing this will be a real stretch for me but I have decided that it is time for me to start keeping the promises that I make to myself, not just those that I make to others.

That is very important.

Was about to write the same thing!  It all starts there...
M

Originally posted by StaceyK

Originally posted by popsracer

Originally posted by Jet Black

Originally posted by mcmanusclan5

Just got my new UnderwaterAudio iPod.  Going to swim with it tonight and am psyched!  This plus a Garmin that counts laps (I can't count past 3 when I'm in the pool) have transformed my enjoyment in/of the pool.

My last one made it a couple years, and I've had to **GASP** swim my last 2 workouts without tunes.

First world problems. 

Got one for The Better Half, too, as I had actually been using hers the last year or so.    Her hip is recently injured (not sure how, yet, but is intra-articular on exam... which means she needs to go to a real doctor and then we'll see), so I might have another pool-buddy along with DD and DS2!  I sure hope her hip is fine, and I think she miiiiiight even get in the pool even so.

Matt

I guess I'm into torture, I don't even run with music anymore. I do love the lap count feature of the garmin though, that is a critical piece of kit for me now. I hope the extent of your wife's injury is minimal and that she's able to get back at it soon. And for your sake I hope she convinces herself to get into the pool.

Talk about torture, seems like all my gadgets are breaking.  Some of these things just are not meant to last.

I love my Swimp3 especially while swimming in the local lake.  The water is not very clear so without it it's like running on a treadmill with your eyes closed.  I've been using it for about six years and I think I am on my sixth unit.  It just quit on me AGAIN.  Arghhh!!

I also have a Sportcount finger watch/lap counter and my fourth one quit several weeks ago.  Got a new one and it died after one use.  Argghhhh!!!

My Cat-eye is also on its last legs.  I have been meaning to get a Garmin 500 but just haven't yet.

The MP3 player I run with broke months ago and I just figured I'd go back to enjoying the sounds of the surroundings.

Anyone else experience short product lives with your gadgets?

 

Yep you've gotta hate built in product obsolescence! It is frustrating and it is made even worse when everything dies at once. One year when I was still at home with mum and dad we lost our fridge, washing machine, TV and computer all in a 6 month period. There was no extras in our house that year.

Yeah, I'm in a replacement frenzy of sorts.  My first swim iPod made it a year.  Then I used Kim's for a year and a half.  Had to buy several sets of swimming earbuds (they break frequently).  Have gone through a couple run ipods the last 3 years and countless earbuds (I think I sweat pure acid or something!). 

Now, in addition to the new swim-pods, also replacing goggles, jammers, tires, a wheel hub, lenses in two pairs of glasses, socks that are threadbare and some other clothing.  Seems to have all packed it in over the space of a couple months after a couple years of hard use!  I hope my bikes are OK, as that would be a tougher pill to swallow!

As a yank, I tend to use things up rather just use them.    Makes me feel good!  But not the replacing, so much...

Matt

I hate having a nasty head-cold, it blows.